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Search and Rescue Stations - Proposal

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We have drafted this proposal for Search and Rescue Stations (SAR)

 

Please review and comments are encouraged.

 

Description:

 

The mission of the Search and Rescue Stations is to document locations of SAR (Search and Rescue) units whose primary purpose is finding individuals who are lost and/or injured. They provide medical aid, search and rescue from dangerous environments and some have a canine unit to assist in the search. They provide a valuable service 24 hours a day, 365 days a year and usually are all volunteers. They can also provide assistance during natural disasters or mass casualties.

 

Expanded Description:

 

The Search and Rescue Stations category will only accept permanent locations that provide well trained and experienced personnel that provide search and rescue services. These may include wilderness, mountainous terrain, avalanche, natural disasters and other land or water based* rescue. Personnel can be either volunteer and/or paid staff.

 

*Water based is to mean: lakes. rivers, streams, flooded areas. The Search and Rescue Station cannot be permanently located at these locations, but only provide their services at these water based locations when needed.

 

Ocean or sea based rescue units are not permitted in this category as there already exists a category for them, Lifeboats and Rescue Stations.

 

Instructions for Posting a Search and Rescue Station

 

Requirements:

 

This category will NOT accept any Search and Rescue Station that is physically part of:

 

Ambulance Services (link)

Fire Departments or Fire Halls (link)

Lifeboats and Rescue Stations (link )

Any other associated category

 

The location MUST be permanent, either as a stand-alone building or store front location, but only if they are the sole occupant and not part of another organization.

 

The location must be available to the general public.

 

At least two photographs taken by the submitter must accompany the submission, one of the Search and Rescue Station and one of the signage. If there are vehicles and/or equipment, photos of these are encouraged in addition.

 

The waymarker must personally obtain GPS coordinates.

 

Provide at least two sentences describing the location and your experience. Most importantly, include the type of general location they serve: wilderness, mountainous terrain, avalanche, natural disasters. Did you meet any of the rescuers? Describe the location’s setting: Is it rural, business district and/or residential?

 

You are required to cite your source complete with link in the long description, if you are using an internet source.

 

Though we encourage bi-lingual or multi-lingual submissions, an English translation is required.

Naming requirement: NO tilde (~) or double hyphens (--) are allowed in the title. Abbreviations are acceptable for state or province.

 

Example: Columbia Valley Search and Rescue - Fruitvale, British Columbia (or BC)

 

Each submission will be reviewed by one of the officers to determine if all requirements are met.

 

Variables:

Number of Personnel: (Drop down menu)

All Volunteer

Volunteer and Paid

Paid Staff only

 

General Terrain Searched: Wilderness, Mountainous, etc.

 

Website of the Search and Recuse Station

 

Address:

 

Street address, city, state or province and postal code.

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I am concerned that such stand-alone SAR stations are underprevalent, since the vast majority of them are located in specific fire stations, and those are excluded by category description.

 

I'd be more comfortable with this category if SAR stations in fire houses were included. I don't think this creates a redundancy issue since the Firehouse category has turned down a request to add a variable.

 

In addition, volunteer SAR organizations do not have their own stations. They usually have their "headquarters" at the leader's private home. Each member has their own equipment (a trained SAR dog, vests, radios, etc) and is responsible for storing and maintaining it.

 

In all of Texas, I have found 1 SAR station with an office location not inside of a fire station, and 250+ IN fire stations.

 

I would not waymark the volunteer organizations that operate out of private homes.

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I am concerned that such stand-alone SAR stations are underprevalent, since the vast majority of them are located in specific fire stations, and those are excluded by category description.

 

I'd be more comfortable with this category if SAR stations in fire houses were included. I don't think this creates a redundancy issue since the Firehouse category has turned down a request to add a variable.

 

In addition, volunteer SAR organizations do not have their own stations. They usually have their "headquarters" at the leader's private home. Each member has their own equipment (a trained SAR dog, vests, radios, etc) and is responsible for storing and maintaining it.

 

In all of Texas, I have found 1 SAR station with an office location not inside of a fire station, and 250+ IN fire stations.

 

I would not waymark the volunteer organizations that operate out of private homes.

 

Have to agree with this (Bolded) often in the UK, as they are voluteers, money is saved by vehicles and kit being allowed to be kept at the local Police or Fire Station...

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In all of Texas, I have found 1 SAR station with an office location not inside of a fire station, and 250+ IN fire stations.

 

I will have to look hard to find one, but being rare would make them more interesting I would think. :unsure:

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*Water based is to mean: lakes. rivers, streams, flooded areas. The Search and Rescue Station cannot be permanently located at these locations, but only provide their services at these water based locations when needed.

 

It's the same with rescue station in Mountain, most of times, they only provide services during winter skiing season

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About locations that just store equipment, vehicles etc. in a police or fire department is too broad in view of the fact that there is most likely nothing that will distinguish them from just being a fire or police department that also stores equipment and vehicles for local Search and Rescue units.

 

Fire Departments and Police Departments both have their own category.

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*Water based is to mean: lakes. rivers, streams, flooded areas. The Search and Rescue Station cannot be permanently located at these locations, but only provide their services at these water based locations when needed.

 

It's the same with rescue station in Mountain, most of times, they only provide services during winter skiing season

 

Mountain terrain is included, if they have their own station.

 

The reason for the clarification of "Water based is to mean: lakes. rivers, streams, flooded areas." was to avoid misunderstanding with Lifeboats and Rescue Stations which are ocean and sea based.

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They provide a valuable service 24 hours a day, 365 days a year and usually are all volunteers. They can also provide assistance during natural disasters or mass casualties.

 

OK but they do not provide a full time service, only during winter season

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About locations that just store equipment, vehicles etc. in a police or fire department is too broad in view of the fact that there is most likely nothing that will distinguish them from just being a fire or police department that also stores equipment and vehicles for local Search and Rescue units, which have a category.

 

What if they have a sign on the building?

 

(Most do, as it helps get money/donations!)

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About locations that just store equipment, vehicles etc. in a police or fire department is too broad in view of the fact that there is most likely nothing that will distinguish them from just being a fire or police department that also stores equipment and vehicles for local Search and Rescue units, which have a category.

 

What if they have a sign on the building?

 

(Most do, as it helps get money/donations!)

 

It is our experience that most SAR units in FD or PD do not have a sign. Though our experience is not "global", this is an interesting alternative.

 

I will ponder the idea awhile and ask the snoring guy in the next room when he wakes up, which should be about noon. :lol:

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Volunteeer SAR Units also store any larger SAR-Command vehicles at PDs and FDs. Would these be waymarkable if they are visible?

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About locations that just store equipment, vehicles etc. in a police or fire department is too broad in view of the fact that there is most likely nothing that will distinguish them from just being a fire or police department that also stores equipment and vehicles for local Search and Rescue units, which have a category.

 

?????

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They provide a valuable service 24 hours a day, 365 days a year and usually are all volunteers. They can also provide assistance during natural disasters or mass casualties.

 

OK but they do not provide a full time service, only during winter season

 

Alfouine, Are you referencing to a particular unit? I would assume that if the need arises they would offer assistance even in the off season. I will rephrase "They provide a valuable service 24 hours a day, 365 days a year" to They provide a valuable service and are on call 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Sound good?

 

We are aware that some locations will only be staffed during certain seasons. For example: snow and avalanche season or high tourist season. The SAR units are staffed by dedicated individuals that are committed to providing search and rescue services in their region when needed.

 

More to think about...

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We are aware that some locations will only be staffed during certain seasons. For example: snow and avalanche season or high tourist season. The SAR units are staffed by dedicated individuals that are committed to providing search and rescue services in their region when needed.

 

Exactly, that is why the sentence "They provide a valuable service 24 hours a day, 365 days a year" was too restrictive for certain location.

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In Australia we have the SES - State Emergency Service which depending on the State may be a separate organisation or part of another. They may work independently or part of a group of emergency services eg Police depending on the situation. They may have their own premises, be co-located or be on the same block of land but in a separate building.

 

The NSW SES Home Page states:

NSW State Emergency Service (SES) is an emergency and rescue service dedicated to assisting the community. We are a volunteer-based organisation that provides emergency assistance to the people of NSW 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. It is the approximately 9,000 volunteers across the state that make this possible. While our major responsibilities are for flood and storm emergencies, NSW SES also provides the majority of general rescue effort in the rural parts of the state.

 

This includes:

 

  • Road accident rescue
  • Vertical rescue
  • Bush search and rescue
  • Evidence searches (both metropolitan and rural) and other forms of specialist rescue that may be required due to local threats.

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Being from Missouri, you will have to "Show Me"

 

If anyone can post examples of SAR stations/units at locations other than a stand alone, though hesitant, we will look at the examples and make a decision about allowing these locations.

 

The location MUST have a sign.

 

Find a website showing the location (provide link), you can use google map (screen capture), google images or similar (post the image), or other sources that show a location. The more global the better.

 

If you can find a location on google map, you can post the coordinates as long as we can view the actual location on street view.

 

All must show the location with a sign.

 

Post your examples.

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Being from Missouri, you will have to "Show Me"

 

If anyone can post examples of SAR stations/units at locations other than a stand alone, though hesitant, we will look at the examples and make a decision about allowing these locations.

 

The location MUST have a sign.

 

Find a website showing the location (provide link), you can use google map (screen capture), google images or similar (post the image), or other sources that show a location. The more global the better.

 

If you can find a location on google map, you can post the coordinates as long as we can view the actual location on street view.

 

All must show the location with a sign.

 

Post your examples.

 

Now wait. Remember my idea about Drive-By Waymarking and it's issues with screen shots from GE? :unsure:

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Being from Missouri, you will have to "Show Me"

 

If anyone can post examples of SAR stations/units at locations other than a stand alone, though hesitant, we will look at the examples and make a decision about allowing these locations.

 

The location MUST have a sign.

 

Find a website showing the location (provide link), you can use google map (screen capture), google images or similar (post the image), or other sources that show a location. The more global the better.

 

If you can find a location on google map, you can post the coordinates as long as we can view the actual location on street view.

 

All must show the location with a sign.

 

Post your examples.

 

Now wait. Remember my idea about Drive-By Waymarking and it's issues with screen shots from GE? :unsure:

 

MP, I do remember. This request for images is not intended as a prerequisite for changing the guidelines to accommodate these options.

 

As you may be aware, I am a stickler for NO internet images, google street view or any image taken from other sources.

 

The reason for my request for images or links was to simplify adding examples for the sole purpose of this forum. It is not implied that these will be allowed in the guidelines.

 

Simply, I need to see for myself what these locations look like, since I am unfamiliar with a location other than a stand alone SAR.

 

If anyone sees this request other than just being a request and thinks that these options will be part of the proposal, they are mistaken.

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I use GE everyday as a Waymarking and Geocaching tool. :)

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I use GE everyday as a Waymarking and Geocaching tool. :)

 

"GE" is that a stove, washer or refrigerator? :lol:

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I use GE everyday as a Waymarking and Geocaching tool. :)

 

"GE" is that a stove, washer or refrigerator? :lol:

 

No, not the "We bring good things to life" people. :laughing:

 

Google Earth. :) The we are watching you people. :ph34r:

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Here's a link to the whole Texas database with addresses

 

https://www.dps.texas.gov/dem/documents/txAssetDB.xls

 

Texas ESF-9 SOC Desk in College Station the only SAR I found that *might* have its own office in the entire state, and this is in a nondescript multi-tenant commercial building.

 

Every other SAR unit seems to be in a fire or police station, or a private home. Many larger cities have their own SAR units, but most are made up of volunteers. Even the volunteers work out of local PD/FD stations.

 

I have looked at dozens of texas SAR groups on google earth, and none has a sign or a stand-alone station. If there are 250 SAR groups in Texas and none is waymarkable in the category as written, it's underprevalent.

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Here's a link to the whole Texas database with addresses

 

https://www.dps.texas.gov/dem/documents/txAssetDB.xls

 

Texas ESF-9 SOC Desk in College Station the only SAR I found that *might* have its own office in the entire state, and this is in a nondescript multi-tenant commercial building.

 

If there are 250 SAR groups in Texas and none is waymarkable in the category as written, it's underprevalent.

 

Whoever said that under prevalence in Texas is a category killer? :huh:

 

I looked at the spreadsheet and finally found a sign - "Greenville Fire & Rescue" at number 12 on the list. Extrapolation would yield a potential of 5 to 6 on the list, or about 8% with signs. The word "rescue" is quite prevalent on the spreadsheet, as one would expect.

 

So, this only makes them more rare than one would have expected. As for under prevalent, the jury is still out. We're trying to randomly check other states and provinces. We do know that they exist in numbers in BC and Montana, the only places we had yet checked to any extent.

 

In any event, it's sure to be "No sign, No waymark". That's the norm with similar categories.

 

Keith

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If the inclusion of the word RESCUE in a station name is enough to create a viable waymark, then that is progress.

 

It's not underprevalence IN TEXAS that's the issue here. Lots of great categories are underprevalent to non-existent in Texas.

 

Texas is just an illustrative example of a wider prevalence problem with the category. Texas has 3 of the top 10 largest cities in the US located in it. It is a vast, expansive state with 254 counties stretching 825 miles east to west across 2 time zones. In all that area, Texas has 250+ SAR agencies, of which 1 *might* be waymarkable as a stand-alone, and a handful of others with "rescue" signage...

 

Stand-alone SAR stations that you have obviously seen in CAN and MT are not the norm across the US, and the difficulty of finding such stations in Texas is a symptom of that.

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Currently there are (not including any category less than one year)

 

6 categories with less than 25

56 categories with less than 50

57 categories with less than 75

60 categories with less than 100

 

There are 179 categories with less than 100

 

These numbers were as of March 2017.

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Currently there are (not including any category less than one year)

 

6 categories with less than 25

56 categories with less than 50

57 categories with less than 75

60 categories with less than 100

 

There are 179 categories with less than 100

 

These numbers were as of March 2017.

 

Gee, I guess I need to clarify these numbers represent approved waymarks.

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Dedicated SAR sites of the Canadian (or US) Coast Guard in the Great Lakes system would go in this new category or only in the Lifeboats and Rescue Stations?

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Dedicated SAR sites of the Canadian (or US) Coast Guard in the Great Lakes system would go in this new category or only in the Lifeboats and Rescue Stations?

 

I did look at the category and the first two are somewhat like you described, take a look and see if these are a match and let us know. Lifeboats and Rescue Stations

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Stand-alone SAR stations that you have obviously seen in CAN and MT are not the norm across the US, and the difficulty of finding such stations in Texas is a symptom of that.

 

With some research I have found a few here in Virginia. Here is one example Shenandoah Mountain Rescue Group.

 

I'm sure that there are Mine SAR groups in Kentucky and West Virginia. But no, these SAR groups are not common here in Virginia. That is another reason I find this idea interesting, they are few and far between.

 

Here are some more ASAR groups in Virginia and other States.

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In Canada, apparently, ground-based SAR is a provincial mandate. However, in the provinces of Ontario and Quebec the units are volunteer based and unlikely to have public and signed sites. Marine-based SAR (including the Great Lakes system) is responsibility of the Canadian Coast Guard (and acceptable in Lifeboats and Rescue Stations category). Aeronautic-based SAR is the responsibilty of the armed forces. The exception is the national parks which have their own SAR units. For my own Waymarking in the new category, I will probably have to check things in New York state.

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In Canada, apparently, ground-based SAR is a provincial mandate. However, in the provinces of Ontario and Quebec the units are volunteer based and unlikely to have public and signed sites. Marine-based SAR (including the Great Lakes system) is responsibility of the Canadian Coast Guard (and acceptable in Lifeboats and Rescue Stations category). Aeronautic-based SAR is the responsibilty of the armed forces. The exception is the national parks which have their own SAR units. For my own Waymarking in the new category, I will probably have to check things in New York state.

 

I did find this one at: 48.368774 -89.314595

 

Probably a zillion miles away. However there is at least one I found rather quickly.

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Being from Missouri, you will have to "Show Me"

 

If anyone can post examples of SAR stations/units at locations other than a stand alone, though hesitant, we will look at the examples and make a decision about allowing these locations.

 

The location MUST have a sign.

 

Find a website showing the location (provide link), you can use google map (screen capture), google images or similar (post the image), or other sources that show a location. The more global the better.

 

If you can find a location on google map, you can post the coordinates as long as we can view the actual location on street view.

 

All must show the location with a sign.

 

Post your examples.

 

I photographed an SES & a RFS (Rural Fire Service) co-located on the same block of land in the village of Yetman, northern NSW. Submitted the fire station as a Waymark & the SES as a Locationless Cache on Geocaching Australia (GA6869). Each has its own sign, building. There is a garage in between which housed vehicles probably belonging to both organisations. Tried to locate the SES via Google Maps & GE but neither had a record. Eventually found on Street View but photo taken from the sealed road so a distant view as the buildings are on a gravel road.

 

The Co-ords are: S28 54.207 E150 46.838. There have been 64 finds of the Locationless cache http://geocaching.com.au/cache/ga6869 so there are photos of various types, click on the Gallery. No need to logon. My Yetman find was on 7 October 2016.

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I think this is basically a viable category, but I have no idea about prevalence in the global scope.

 

Sometimes you only see what you expect and know, there are a lot of things I had not noticed before there was a category for them. So I may be wrong, but in my experience there are hardly any locations that would qualify in my area.

 

The SAR situation here in Switzerland is quite complicated, SAR is in the realm of the cantons, basically, but in some it is delegated to the municipalities, and they can cooperate with private companies and associations. Then, there are SARs that are connected to civil defense or military units. There are calculations of at least 130 independent SAR organizations, but I have not noticed more than two signs yet.

 

One is a combined road maintenance depot/fire station/SAR in a small alpine village that has the word Rescue in the sign. The other one is the helicopter depot of a large private SAR organization, that is located deep inside the restricted area of an international airport. Unless you book a flight with a minor airline to an exotic destination that does not use the finger docks, you will not be able to come in sight.

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I think this is basically a viable category, but I have no idea about prevalence in the global scope.

 

Sometimes you only see what you expect and know, there are a lot of things I had not noticed before there was a category for them. So I may be wrong, but in my experience there are hardly any locations that would qualify in my area.

 

fi67, Thank you for your comments.

 

"there was a category for them." You used the past tense "was". Could you clarify, was it an actual approved category or a group was formed for SARs? Can you post a link?

 

I was not aware of this. I agree this proposal for SARs is more complicated then first envisioned. (which is usually the case with most proposals)

 

"Sometimes you only see what you expect and know" I agree with this statement, that is the reason for the previous request for examples.

 

The stand alone SARs that we are familiar are basically all we know and have encountered in our road trips and from research into other areas (primarily the US).

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I think this is basically a viable category, but I have no idea about prevalence in the global scope.

 

Sometimes you only see what you expect and know, there are a lot of things I had not noticed before there was a category for them. So I may be wrong, but in my experience there are hardly any locations that would qualify in my area.

 

fi67, Thank you for your comments.

 

"there was a category for them." You used the past tense "was". Could you clarify, was it an actual approved category or a group was formed for SARs? Can you post a link?

 

I was not aware of this. I agree this proposal for SARs is more complicated then first envisioned. (which is usually the case with most proposals)

 

"Sometimes you only see what you expect and know" I agree with this statement, that is the reason for the previous request for examples.

 

The stand alone SARs that we are familiar are basically all we know and have encountered in our road trips and from research into other areas (primarily the US).

I am sorry, this is a misunderstanding. I meant: "There are a lot of things I had not noticed before there was a category for them." in a general sense. There are other things I just did not notice, and when there was a category created for them, I started to see that there were much more of them around that I had thought at first. This is an experience I had with many different categories, but I did not mean SARs.

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Hummm initially it sounded good, but then I started to dig in my memory and I never saw any of these stations in 51 years of life and 80 visited countries. That makes me hesitate for the usual reasons. I mean, if we are talking about, let's say Australia Historical Markers, it's fine I never saw any. But for most of other categories makes me worry.

 

And no, I see whatever exists. I believe it's my nature. Perhaps due to my intense activity as travel photographer.

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Hummm initially it sounded good, but then I started to dig in my memory and I never saw any of these stations in 51 years of life and 80 visited countries. That makes me hesitate for the usual reasons. I mean, if we are talking about, let's say Australia Historical Markers, it's fine I never saw any. But for most of other categories makes me worry.

 

And no, I see whatever exists. I believe it's my nature. Perhaps due to my intense activity as travel photographer.

 

They do exist in several countries. SAR Stations.

 

I believe Waymarking has room for them in a new category. :) I may never be able to locate a SAR station, but I am supporting the category idea because I believe we should support each other and not worry about grids that we can't fill. :)

 

Let's move Waymarking forward. B)

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Hummm initially it sounded good, but then I started to dig in my memory and I never saw any of these stations in 51 years of life and 80 visited countries. That makes me hesitate for the usual reasons. I mean, if we are talking about, let's say Australia Historical Markers, it's fine I never saw any. But for most of other categories makes me worry.

 

And no, I see whatever exists. I believe it's my nature. Perhaps due to my intense activity as travel photographer.

 

They do exist in several countries. SAR Stations.

 

I believe Waymarking has room for them in a new category. :) I may never be able to locate a SAR station, but I am supporting the category idea because I believe we should support each other and not worry about grids that we can't fill. :)

 

Let's move Waymarking forward. B)

It has never been questioned that SAR stations are not global. But it might be that in many countries they are not stand alone buildings with a sign. It is not about the personal grid; it is about the risk that a substantial part of the Waymarking community lives in areas where these stations do not exist in a way to qualify for the category.

 

I knew this Wikipedia article before, by-country-lists in Wikipedia are always extremely poor. There are always much more. This list mentions one organization in my country, I know 130 different organizations. They exist, but they are not visible: inside fire stations, hospitals, military areas and so on, all without signs.

 

I have no problem when I do not get the icon, but when much more than expected don't get the icon, then something should be done about it.

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Hummm initially it sounded good, but then I started to dig in my memory and I never saw any of these stations in 51 years of life and 80 visited countries. That makes me hesitate for the usual reasons. I mean, if we are talking about, let's say Australia Historical Markers, it's fine I never saw any. But for most of other categories makes me worry.

 

And no, I see whatever exists. I believe it's my nature. Perhaps due to my intense activity as travel photographer.

 

They do exist in several countries. SAR Stations.

 

I believe Waymarking has room for them in a new category. :) I may never be able to locate a SAR station, but I am supporting the category idea because I believe we should support each other and not worry about grids that we can't fill. :)

 

Let's move Waymarking forward. B)

It has never been questioned that SAR stations are not global. But it might be that in many countries they are not stand alone buildings with a sign. It is not about the personal grid; it is about the risk that a substantial part of the Waymarking community lives in areas where these stations do not exist in a way to qualify for the category.

 

I knew this Wikipedia article before, by-country-lists in Wikipedia are always extremely poor. There are always much more. This list mentions one organization in my country, I know 130 different organizations. They exist, but they are not visible: inside fire stations, hospitals, military areas and so on, all without signs.

 

I have no problem when I do not get the icon, but when much more than expected don't get the icon, then something should be done about it.

 

So sounds to me like it is all about a grid or icon. That should not hold back other Waymarkers that can fill the grid and get the icon. :(

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They do exist in several countries. SAR Stations.

 

I believe Waymarking has room for them in a new category. :) I may never be able to locate a SAR station, but I am supporting the category idea because I believe we should support each other and not worry about grids that we can't fill. :)

 

Let's move Waymarking forward. B)

 

Well, Well, Well, MP I am impressed with the link you provided. :o

 

We are still very much interested in moving this proposal forward. We still think a sign should be required, and considering making the SAR unit website mandatory. We must stress that though some SARs are operated by the Coast Guard (or similar designation) in many countries, these will not be allowed as there is a category for these "Lifeboats and Rescue Stations" category.

 

We do have concerns about this becoming difficult for officers to review. Any suggestions on how the officer team can review locations other than stand alone is appreciated.

 

IF we decide to waive the sign requirement in some situations, there must be a website that verifies that there is a SAR unit at the location. Thoughts?

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They do exist in several countries. SAR Stations.

 

I believe Waymarking has room for them in a new category. :) I may never be able to locate a SAR station, but I am supporting the category idea because I believe we should support each other and not worry about grids that we can't fill. :)

 

Let's move Waymarking forward. B)

 

Well, Well, Well, MP I am impressed with the link you provided. :o

 

We are still very much interested in moving this proposal forward. We still think a sign should be required, and considering making the SAR unit website mandatory. We must stress that though some SARs are operated by the Coast Guard (or similar designation) in many countries, these will not be allowed as there is a category for these "Lifeboats and Rescue Stations" category.

 

We do have concerns about this becoming difficult for officers to review. Any suggestions on how the officer team can review locations other than stand alone is appreciated.

 

IF we decide to waive the sign requirement in some situations, there must be a website that verifies that there is a SAR unit at the location. Thoughts?

 

I have found a very limited number of stand alone SAR groups in Virginia, as most are made up of police, fire, and rescue units. As for the sign on a building, or a small SAR building, I don't know if I can locate one, no luck so far. I was hoping to find a mine rescue station, and will keep looking.

 

Lack of these stations only adds interest to me. :)

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IF we decide to waive the sign requirement in some situations, there must be a website that verifies that there is a SAR unit at the location. Thoughts?

 

If run by volunteers, they may not have a website... Keeping costs down.

(As Leader of the Methodist Church category, there are often links to the churches Facebook page, with few updates... And as it's Facebook signing in is often required in order to see the page.)

 

A sign and/or website as a requirement, or in exceptional circumstances other 'proof' at the discretion of the groups officers?

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IF we decide to waive the sign requirement in some situations, there must be a website that verifies that there is a SAR unit at the location. Thoughts?

 

If run by volunteers, they may not have a website... Keeping costs down.

(As Leader of the Methodist Church category, there are often links to the churches Facebook page, with few updates... And as it's Facebook signing in is often required in order to see the page.)

 

A sign and/or website as a requirement, or in exceptional circumstances other 'proof' at the discretion of the groups officers?

 

Bear and Ragged, I agree that in most cases the Facebook page is useless. We often find this in the RBM (Religious Buildings Multifarious).

 

I was thinking more of a legitimate website that gives information about the SAR. I would think that a Facebook page would not be acceptable.

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I was thinking more of a legitimate website that gives information about the SAR. I would think that a Facebook page would not be acceptable.

 

Good Lord. :blink: Facebook would not be considered legitimate I would hope. :laughing:

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The original intent for the Search and Rescue Stations (SAR) category was for stand-alone or store front locations. Seeking examples of other locations associated with fire/police/ambulance etc. did not produce the results I was hoping would be forthcoming.

 

I have researched other locations and though some say “Rescue” these technically are not Search and Rescue units as defined in the category description.

 

“Expanded Description: Search and Rescue units whose primary purpose is finding individuals who are lost and/or injured. They provide medical aid, search and rescue from dangerous environments and some have canine and aerial support teams to assist with the search.”

 

Fire, Police and Ambulance departments provide valuable services to their communities by providing emergency services to individuals in need but not necessarily lost. I think this is the key for most of these locations.

 

The category will proceed as written. I have made a few minor revisions, none of which substantially changed the proposal on the forum.

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Fire, Police and Ambulance departments provide valuable services to their communities by providing emergency services to individuals in need but not necessarily lost. I think this is the key for most of these locations.

 

 

We have lost hikers every year it seems at the Devil's Bathtub.

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We have lost hikers every year it seems at the Devil's Bathtub.

 

Devil's Bathtub: you know you can waymark that in Devilish Locations :D

 

Well, I had never thought about it. I think I have a WM in the area on the loop trail there already.

 

Maybe I can fill a new grid ?

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