Absurd ? part Two

[+Alfouine]

Absurdity keep going on

 

New waymark, new problem : My waymark

 

Submit in Figurative Public Sculpture :

Your waymark, Les éléments - Font-Romeu - France, has been denied for the following reason:

Actually, this should go in Car Parts Sculptures. If they deny it, we will accept it in Figurative. Thanks, Outspoken1

 

There is nothing about car parts in this sculpture but why not

 

Submit in Car Part Sculptures :

Your new waymark, Les éléments - Font-Romeu - France, has been approved.

 

Suprise, but not for a long time

 

Your waymark, Les éléments - Font-Romeu - France, has been denied for the following reason:

There looks to be no car parts in this statue.

 

It's true, but no problem i have my second chance...

New submission in Figurative Public Sculpture

 

Your waymark, Les éléments - Font-Romeu - France, has been denied for the following reason:

 

Arrgh! Remember, I did not create the Figurative category. Figurative must be subtractive, as in the removal of material to create the piece. This piece is additive. Please read the full category listing for Figurative for a longer description. Car Parts also refers to machined parts, such at the gears in the leg, etc. Thanks, Outspoken1

 

It's not serious, but may be i do not understand enough english but where in the description it's written something about subtractive and additive and how a metallic sculpture can be substractive ???

[+BruceS]

Not absurd at all but rather reviewer misidentifying the construction material and then applying the following part of the Figurative Public Sculptures category requirements "If the Waymark can be posted in another category, that is where it belongs first"

[+Alfouine]

Not absurd at all but rather reviewer misidentifying the construction material and then applying the following part of the Figurative Public Sculptures category requirements "If the Waymark can be posted in another category, that is where it belongs first"

 

OK i agree to post it in an another category and i did it as it was suggested (car parts sculpture) but they declined it.

 

But if the waymark can not be posted in another category, you can approve it, it's not conflicting with the requirement

[+T0SHEA]

Quoted: "Figurative must be subtractive, as in the removal of material to create the piece."

 

There are many examples of waymarks approved in the Figurative Public Sculpture category that are NOT subtractive. Most of which are primarily made of recycled materials and/or metal. How are these "subtractive"? There are some approved as recent as September 30, 2016.

 

So how is it that Les éléments http://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/WMT5NP_Les_lments_Font_Romeu_France was not approved.

 

When The Wedge-Tailed Eagle http://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/WMT5CN_The_Wedge_Tailed_Eagle_Dunedoo_NSW Materials used: Recycled metal and farm machinery parts was approved.

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

Looks to me like it's appropriate in Figurative Public Sculptures because it's based in the human form, but not any PARTICULAR human.

 

Outspoken1's a good reviewer and a pleasant person to have discussions with - have you sent her an email?

 

We all get denials or vote comments that make us scratch our heads. One I got in a rare category didn't want to accept evidence of a plaque installed at the time of use (19th century) naming the function of the thing I was Waymarking as evidence that what I was Waymarking was a thing the category was set up to catalogue.

 

WHAAAT??

 

Reach out to Outspoken1. I don't fully understand all this 'additive' and 'subtractive' art-category lingo. If it looks like a general person or animal, FPS has always been where I waymark it

Edited October 2, 2016 by Benchmark Blasterz

[+Alfouine]

I don't fully understand all this 'additive' and 'subtractive' art-category lingo. If it looks like a general person or animal, FPS has always been where I waymark it

 

Ok it's not because i do not understand english, and it's not a requirement of the category.

 

I sent two emails to Outspoken1 and as it was the second time (first was for murals waymarks declined), my emails were not really pleasant, but she did not want to move her decision. As i wrote she took her decision alone and i have insisted for the officer's vote, she agreed at the end to submit officer's vote.

 

And BK-Hunters gave exactly the same example of waymark, and it was approved.

 

It's logical, a metallic sculpture can not be substractive

Edited October 2, 2016 by Alfouine

[+Manville Possum]

I sent two emails to Outspoken1 and as it was the second time (first was for murals waymarks declined), my emails were not really pleasant

 

Wow, two unpleasant emails and two forums post to call the persons out. Now that's absurd.

[+T0SHEA]

Perhaps since the 'additive' or 'subtractive' debate will most likely continue. Does there need to be a line drawn in the sand, with only "subtractive" the removal of materials to create the art piece as the criteria for Figurative Public Sculptures (FPS)?

 

We have had a few denials in the FPS, however Outspoken1 did suggest these should be in Silhouette Public Art Sculptures category and they were approved in that category. These are examples of what is described as "additive" the addition of materials to create the art piece.

 

Now the dilemma: if additive sculptures are not accepted in FPS and not all submissions will be a fit for the Silhouette Public Art category then where do they fit?

How about a new category for these: Re-purposed or Recycle Materials Sculptures?(additive only)

 

I have emailed a few waymarkers with this suggestion, and got the standard: We do not need a new art category and every piece of art will fix in one of the existing categories.

 

Well, this does not seem the case anymore as the question of "subtractive" and "additive" will continue until the guidelines are changed.

Edited October 2, 2016 by BK-Hunters

[+T0SHEA]

Where on earth did the "additive" and "subtractive" concepts, vis a vis this category, originate? Neither of the words appear on the category description page. The word "sculpted", does appear however. Unfortunately for the reviewer, sculpting can be both an "additive" and a "subtractive" process, depending on the medium used. Sculpt with a piece of marble and you're being subtractive. Sculpt with a chunk of clay and you're being additive. It seems to me that the words have little or nothing to do with the category, and shouldn't, given the history of accepted waymarks. The waymark in question should never have been declined in the first place!!!

 

Note this quote from the description:

Sculpting may be defined as 'the art of carving wood, chiseling stone, casting or welding metal, molding clay or wax...

I'm guessing there are at least a few welds in the sculpture.

 

BTW, we have submitted waymarks to this category which were accepted without question, yet would have been rejected under the criterion induced by the reviewer of the waymark in question.

 

Keith

Edited October 2, 2016 by BK-Hunters

[+Alfouine]

Thank you for this argumentation, that is what I understood from the description. I did not make a mistake posting this waymark in this category.

 

I think that sometimes a little bit of flexibility in approval could make things easier.

 

BTW, what does it mean ?

[+elyob]

By The Way

By the way...

 

d'ailleurs

[+Punga and Paua]

The Abstract Public Sculptures category gives this example in their category description.... "A slightly abstracted Figurative Public Sculpture example would be: (Link) WM8Y62 Horse - Fountain Hills, AZ. This type of piece should be submitted to Figurative Public Sculpture."

 

And lo and behold, on checking through the Figurative Public Sculptures, there it is, a wonderful horse sculpture made from junk art.... looking exactly like the Les éléments sculpture in question. They are junk art sculptures, artistically made from assorted pieces of junk. If the horse is acceptable, then the "Les éléments - Font-Romeu - France:" should also be placed in Figurative Sculptures. It is exactly the same type of figurative sculpture, it should not require a Vote. It is a Figurative Sculpture!

 

BTW, The Abstract Public Sculptures and the Figurative Public Sculptures are both managed by the same person!

 

Just a few more examples from a quick glance through Figurative Sculptures:

WM22BQ Don Quixote

WM21AG Big Silver Bird

WM1RE5 Soda Can Man

WM1YGN Mr Hook

WM 2KP5 Horse

WM2KP4 Man

...is that enough?

Edited October 3, 2016 by Punga and Paua

[+Tante.Hossi]

I know this problem. I have had the same years ago with this waymark: http://www.Waymarkin...waymarks/WMH342

Maybe it is time for a new category??

[+Punga and Paua]

I know this problem. I have had the same years ago with this waymark: http://www.Waymarkin...waymarks/WMH342

Maybe it is time for a new category??

I can't see any particular car parts on that sculpture, which might explain it being denied. It looks like a figurative sculpture using iron pipes,... did you try listing it in the Figurative Sculptures category?

 

I don't think any new sculpture categories are necessary. My understanding is that it is the Subject and Appearance of the sculpture that defines what category it goes into, not the Materials used. Otherwise we would need categories for "Iron Sculptures, Bronze Sculptures, Tin Sculptures, Fibreglass sculptures, Nuts and Bolts Sculptures etc, the list is almost endless.

A Figurative Sculpture can be made of anything (including junk bits and pieces), so long as it is clearly derived from real object sources and really resembles a figure of a human or animal etc. However, Abstract Sculptures are generally attractively thrown-together shapes that represent something but don't really look like anything or maybe vaguely look like something, they break away from traditional representation of physical objects, you have to use your imagination to interpret the art work. Your iron pipe Sculpture obviously looks like a person, and should be accepted as a Figurative Sculpture.

 

Perhaps I should add, obviously "Car Part Sculptures" a specialty category, have to be made of visible car parts...no matter what the subject (human, animal, vegetable, whatever) of the sculpture is.

Edited October 5, 2016 by Punga and Paua

[+Tante.Hossi]

I can't see any particular car parts on that sculpture, which might explain it being denied. It looks like a figurative sculpture using iron pipes,... did you try listing it in the Figurative Sculptures category?

Yes of course! That's the point. I first posted it to the Figurative Sculptures category where it was rejected because of 'car parts'.

So I tried it at the car parts category. There it was rejected again because there are no car parts.

So this is the same issue as in the described case of Alfouine.

I think this sculptures are figurative - but I'm neighter the leader nor an officer in the figurative sculptures category.

[+BruceS]

I can't see any particular car parts on that sculpture, which might explain it being denied. It looks like a figurative sculpture using iron pipes,... did you try listing it in the Figurative Sculptures category?

Yes of course! That's the point. I first posted it to the Figurative Sculptures category where it was rejected because of 'car parts'.

So I tried it at the car parts category. There it was rejected again because there are no car parts.

So this is the same issue as in the described case of Alfouine.

I think this sculptures are figurative - but I'm neighter the leader nor an officer in the figurative sculptures category.

That one looks abstract enough to post to the abstract sculpture category. I have posted a couple that were kind of figurative but quite abstract to the abstract category as it was more fitting.

[+Alfouine]

OK thank you for your support and translation.

 

I am waiting for the result officer's vote, 4 days it's a long time...

[+Alfouine]

Here the vote result :

 

Your waymark, Les éléments - Font-Romeu - France, has been denied for the following reason:

Your waymark was voted on by the category managers, here are comments made about your waymark by them: Initial vote call comment:I have asked this person to submit to Car Parts. She is determined that this is Figurative and I am making up the requirements. I said we would approve if Car Parts declined. She is going to the Forums to complain about ??? So, I told her I would send this to Officer vote. I think this should go to Car Parts. Outspoken1 Vote comments: [nay] This is a car part sculpture. [nay] Agree.

 

I don't understand, i submitted it to car parts (before write to the forum), they declined it but she did not accept it, and she's still writing she will approve it.

 

It's not my idea of Waymarking, i am really disappointed

 

With this kind of behavior, it will be difficult to become Waymarking more popular...

[+BruceS]

Here the vote result :

 

Your waymark, Les éléments - Font-Romeu - France, has been denied for the following reason:

Your waymark was voted on by the category managers, here are comments made about your waymark by them: Initial vote call comment:I have asked this person to submit to Car Parts. She is determined that this is Figurative and I am making up the requirements. I said we would approve if Car Parts declined. She is going to the Forums to complain about ??? So, I told her I would send this to Officer vote. I think this should go to Car Parts. Outspoken1 Vote comments: [nay] This is a car part sculpture. [nay] Agree.

 

I don't understand, i submitted it to car parts (before write to the forum), they declined it but she did not accept it, and she's still writing she will approve it.

 

It's not my idea of Waymarking, i am really disappointed

 

With this kind of behavior, it will be difficult to become Waymarking more popular...

 

You were told to submit it to the car parts sculpture category and if it was denied by that then to resubmit it to the figurative sculpture category. However you immediately resubmitted to the figurative category and then submitted it to the car parts category. It was put to vote in the figurative category as it had not yet been declined in the car parts category. If you would have done as instructed and waited until you had received the decline from the other category to resubmit you have had different result. At the time the vote was taken the decline in the car parts category had not taken place.

[+Alfouine]

You were told to submit it to the car parts sculpture category and if it was denied by that then to resubmit it to the figurative sculpture category. However you immediately resubmitted to the figurative category and then submitted it to the car parts category. It was put to vote in the figurative category as it had not yet been declined in the car parts category. If you would have done as instructed and waited until you had received the decline from the other category to resubmit you have had different result. At the time the vote was taken the decline in the car parts category had not taken place.

 

It's completely wrong, i followed exactly the suggestion, how can you write this without checking if it's true or not ?

I explained everything in the first post, why should I be a liar ?

 

The waymark was declined in "Figurative sculpture category" the 09/30/2106

 

I submitted just after in "Car parts category" and it was first approved the same day but it was declined the 10/01/216 for the following reason :

Your waymark, Les éléments - Font-Romeu - France, has been denied for the following reason:

There looks to be no car parts in this statue.

 

So as it was suggested i submitted again in "Figurative sculpture category" but the raison to decline it changed to :

Arrgh! Remember, I did not create the Figurative category. Figurative must be subtractive, as in the removal of material to create the piece. This piece is additive. Please read the full category listing for Figurative for a longer description. Car Parts also refers to machined parts, such at the gears in the leg, etc. Thanks, Outspoken1

 

And only after officer's vote started, after all these activities.

 

It's really easy to prove this, you just have to watch past activities of each group, and i kept all emails with timestamp.

 

Everybody in the forum gave arguments to confirm this waymark fits in the "Figurative sculpture category"

 

Last time, i thought my waymark was an utility box, everybody in the forum said "no, it's not", so i did not insist and changed the category.

 

As a moderator you need to be objective and not subjective, there is no requirements in the category to decline my waymark and rules should be the same for everybody, leaders, officers and waymarkers.

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

Alfouine -- drop this into Uncat and let me have a chop at it. Maybe I can help you get it approved.

 

Bruce had an interesting suggestion about trying Abstract. It never occurred to me to put it there because I think of that category as for things that are unrecognisable as to figures. But Bruce is a great waymarker, so his suggestion is worth pursuing.

 

To drop something into Uncat edit your waymark to remove the category and save it. It will go to uncat automatically where I'll pick it up and see what I can do. I'm visual so I need to look at it and dig into it.

[+BruceS]

You were told to submit it to the car parts sculpture category and if it was denied by that then to resubmit it to the figurative sculpture category. However you immediately resubmitted to the figurative category and then submitted it to the car parts category. It was put to vote in the figurative category as it had not yet been declined in the car parts category. If you would have done as instructed and waited until you had received the decline from the other category to resubmit you have had different result. At the time the vote was taken the decline in the car parts category had not taken place.

 

It's completely wrong, i followed exactly the suggestion, how can you write this without checking if it's true or not ?

I explained everything in the first post, why should I be a liar ?

 

The waymark was declined in "Figurative sculpture category" the 09/30/2106

 

I submitted just after in "Car parts category" and it was first approved the same day but it was declined the 10/01/216 for the following reason :

Your waymark, Les éléments - Font-Romeu - France, has been denied for the following reason:

There looks to be no car parts in this statue.

 

So as it was suggested i submitted again in "Figurative sculpture category" but the raison to decline it changed to :

Arrgh! Remember, I did not create the Figurative category. Figurative must be subtractive, as in the removal of material to create the piece. This piece is additive. Please read the full category listing for Figurative for a longer description. Car Parts also refers to machined parts, such at the gears in the leg, etc. Thanks, Outspoken1

 

And only after officer's vote started, after all these activities.

 

It's really easy to prove this, you just have to watch past activities of each group, and i kept all emails with timestamp.

 

Everybody in the forum gave arguments to confirm this waymark fits in the "Figurative sculpture category"

 

Last time, i thought my waymark was an utility box, everybody in the forum said "no, it's not", so i did not insist and changed the category.

 

As a moderator you need to be objective and not subjective, there is no requirements in the category to decline my waymark and rules should be the same for everybody, leaders, officers and waymarkers.

 

I am also in the Figurative group thus I will be subjective on this one. When you resubmitted there was no indication that you had submitted to the Car parts category. There was no note to that fact in the private notes part of the submission. Thus when the vote was called it was not known that you had done as requested. This is clear from what was written when the vote was called, indicating that was requested of you. The only note was that there are no car part in the sculpture, not that you had submitted it and that it had been declined n by the car part category. Members of one group can not see the activity in another group unless they are members of that group.

[+Alfouine]

Alfouine -- drop this into Uncat and let me have a chop at it. Maybe I can help you get it approved.

 

Bruce had an interesting suggestion about trying Abstract. It never occurred to me to put it there because I think of that category as for things that are unrecognisable as to figures. But Bruce is a great waymarker, so his suggestion is worth pursuing.

 

To drop something into Uncat edit your waymark to remove the category and save it. It will go to uncat automatically where I'll pick it up and see what I can do. I'm visual so I need to look at it and dig into it.

 

OK i did it, thank you

 

let me have a chop at it ? what does it means ?

[+Torgut]

My dear friend Alfouine, I have been facing equal absurdity coming from officers or, sometimes, good officers reinforcing absurd rules of categories (not their fault). Because of this I have a [removed inappropriate language] list of categories to which I will never again send a waymark. It's actually available in these forums, together with the reasons. One of the most surreal situations was in Hostel category, to where I send a perfectly valid Waymark to have it declined with a note: "read the rules". I double read it, I challenged folks here to find what was wrong, nobody found nothing wrong... this is just an example.

Edited October 7, 2016 by BruceS
Removed in appropriate language

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

Alfouine -- drop this into Uncat and let me have a chop at it. Maybe I can help you get it approved.

 

Bruce had an interesting suggestion about trying Abstract. It never occurred to me to put it there because I think of that category as for things that are unrecognisable as to figures. But Bruce is a great waymarker, so his suggestion is worth pursuing.

 

To drop something into Uncat edit your waymark to remove the category and save it. It will go to uncat automatically where I'll pick it up and see what I can do. I'm visual so I need to look at it and dig into it.

 

OK i did it, thank you

 

let me have a chop at it ? what does it means ?

 

A "chop" is English slang for an edit. I'm sorry I was not clear. I'll go look at it now and may make a few changes. I think from what I am reading here we are having some communication issues with the Figurative folks not knowing about the decline in car parts

 

1703 CST --I'm not seeing it in UNCAT? Did someone else snag it?

Edited October 5, 2016 by Benchmark Blasterz

[+Punga and Paua]

Some more examples that have been accepted into the Figurative Sculptures category:

 

http://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/WM28N2_Farm_Work_Horse_Calgary_Alberta

 

http://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/WM3PG9_THE_TOOL_MAN_Oswego_New_York

 

http://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/WM5K71_Figurative_Public_Sculpture_The_Chiropractor

 

http://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/WM55GC_Alotofbull_Moab_Utah

 

http://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/WM6P6E_Longhorn_Sculpture_Johnson_City_TX auto parts??!!

 

http://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/WM975Q_Dragon_in_Voksice_Jicin_CZ

 

http://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/WM94VT_Mailman_Sculpture_Sebastopol_CA

 

http://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/WMCXE1_Stormin_Norman_Pipeline_Lebanon_Missouri

 

http://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/WMDZN6_Trash_Monster_Nampa_ID

 

....so if these are all acceptable Figurative Sculptures, then what about the next two?....

 

http://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/WMT5NP_Les_lments_Font_Romeu_France

 

http://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/WMH342

 

BTW, I really enjoyed looking through your category, you have some wonderful pieces of art and all of them deserve a place in your category, including the ones cleverly constructed out of junk pieces.

Can't we just have these two waymarks accepted, let's stop this absurdity and move on.

Edited October 6, 2016 by Punga and Paua

[+Alfouine]

Alfouine -- drop this into Uncat and let me have a chop at it. Maybe I can help you get it approved.

 

Bruce had an interesting suggestion about trying Abstract. It never occurred to me to put it there because I think of that category as for things that are unrecognisable as to figures. But Bruce is a great waymarker, so his suggestion is worth pursuing.

 

To drop something into Uncat edit your waymark to remove the category and save it. It will go to uncat automatically where I'll pick it up and see what I can do. I'm visual so I need to look at it and dig into it.

 

OK now it's OK, it's also necessary to submit the waymark without category.

 

Thank you for your help

[+T0SHEA]

 

Can't we just have these two waymarks accepted, let's stop this absurdity and move on.

 

HEAR, HEAR!

 

K.

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

 

Can't we just have these two waymarks accepted, let's stop this absurdity and move on.

 

HEAR, HEAR!

 

K.

 

I looked at it, added a little to it, and submitted it to Figurative Public Sculpture. There is no information on who the artist is and when it was installed, so we shall see what the COs decide to do. We respect every one of the reviewers that have looked at this WM, and hope the community will accept the decision of the COs, whatever it may be.

 

I had hoped I could find extra information about the waymark on line, but I could not.

[+Punga and Paua]

 

Can't we just have these two waymarks accepted, let's stop this absurdity and move on.

 

HEAR, HEAR!

 

K.

 

I looked at it, added a little to it, and submitted it to Figurative Public Sculpture. There is no information on who the artist is and when it was installed, so we shall see what the COs decide to do. We respect every one of the reviewers that have looked at this WM, and hope the community will accept the decision of the COs, whatever it may be.

 

I had hoped I could find extra information about the waymark on line, but I could not.

Les Eléments

de Thierry ALBERTI et Denis LUCASELLI

[+Punga and Paua]

 

Can't we just have these two waymarks accepted, let's stop this absurdity and move on.

 

HEAR, HEAR!

 

K.

 

I looked at it, added a little to it, and submitted it to Figurative Public Sculpture. There is no information on who the artist is and when it was installed, so we shall see what the COs decide to do. We respect every one of the reviewers that have looked at this WM, and hope the community will accept the decision of the COs, whatever it may be.

 

I had hoped I could find extra information about the waymark on line, but I could not.

Les Eléments

de Thierry ALBERTI et Denis LUCASELLI From Google translation: Created in 2008 with the support of the municipality, under the impetus of a handful of founding members passionate, Font Romeu proposes a museum whose walls extend beyond imagination. Look up the website. http://museesansmurs.e-monsite.com/

And here on YouTube

What an awesome place. Edited October 7, 2016 by Punga and Paua

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

P&P -- YOU TWO ROCK!!! I couldn't find that on the iPad gonna pull it back and edit right now TYVM I love this community

[+Punga and Paua]

P&P -- YOU TWO ROCK!!! I couldn't find that on the iPad gonna pull it back and edit right now TYVM I love this community

Does this look like same piece of art dated 2002? http://www.thierryalberti.org/Site_PERSO/Scenographies.html#4 Surprising what you can find on the internet if you poke around.

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

Here's the English of what I wrote up for the waymark., I used Google Translate translate this to French. I hope it's not gibberish!

 

"[EN] The waymark coordinates place the sculpture on a country road off the main highway to the city of L'Ermitage.

 

From the Museum Without Walls website: (visit link)

 

This museum without walls, for dreamers mysteriously installed equidistant from Saint Jacques de Compostela and Rome, at the foot of the Font-Romeu Hermitage.

 

Created in 2008 with the support of the municipality, under the impetus of a handful of founding members passionate, Font Romeu proposes a museum whose walls extend beyond imagination. Initially, the innovative idea for the region is to invest the natural setting is the forest between Font-Romeu and the Hermitage to mark out a path of monumental and contemporary art.

 

This is an amazing place.

 

Evolving for seven years, this realization has become the art gallery the highest in Europe and the works that constitute reflect the cross-border artistic influences."

 

Also from the website, this short article on the waymarked sculpture itself:

 

THE ELEMENTS

 

by Thierry ALBERTI and Denis LUCASELLI

 

Reviving the end of the course materials in a quality environment such as the Museum without walls to:

 

Draw a portrait of a disrespectful waste company of some people and their environment

 

Draw the portrait of a society that stirs desires to consume to the point of transforming man into commodities

 

Draw the portrait of a society "machine make consumers"

 

Idea to open doors to other alternatives, recycling, rational consumption, saving all life on earth."

 

Waymarkers Alfouine, Benchmark Blasterz, and Punga & Paua all worked together on this waymark. Alfouine found it, photographed it and wrote the first draft, Benchmark Blasterz added to it and edited it, Punga & Paua found the web attribution, and Google translated everything from French to English (and from English to French). THANK YOU EVERYONE!"

 

Edited October 7, 2016 by Benchmark Blasterz

[+Alfouine]

I am impressed and affected by your attentions

 

I created 37 waymarks around Font-romeu and few of them about "Le Musée sans mur" (Museum without wall)

[+T0SHEA]

Is it approved?

 

You can most likely do "Museum without walls" as a sculpture garden?

 

Sculpture Garden: A sculpture garden or sculpture park is an outdoor space designed expressly for the viewing of sculptures.

 

Link: http://www.Waymarking.com/cat/details.aspx?f=1&guid=7b40e392-ef91-44b9-a4c9-87cf2fb72526

 

Sure hope this suggestion does not turn into Absurd (round three)

[+Alfouine]

Is it approved?

 

You can most likely do "Museum without walls" as a sculpture garden?

 

Sculpture Garden: A sculpture garden or sculpture park is an outdoor space designed expressly for the viewing of sculptures.

 

Link: http://www.Waymarking.com/cat/details.aspx?f=1&guid=7b40e392-ef91-44b9-a4c9-87cf2fb72526

 

Sure hope this suggestion does not turn into Absurd (round three)

 

Excellent idea, i am going to create it, i do not know yet all categories

Edited October 7, 2016 by Alfouine

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

Sculpture Gardens has some specific photo requirements, as I recall. But I love visiting them, and Waymarking in them

[+Alfouine]

End of the story

 

Your uncategorized waymark Les éléments - Font-Romeu - France was categorized by Benchmark Blasterz, published by Outspoken1, and has become a new waymark in the Figurative Public Sculpture category.

 

Thank you all for your help, especially the new wizard Benchmark Blasterz and Outspoken1 for the publication.

 

Do you know this comedic play by William Shakespeare "Much Ado About Nothing" ?

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

YAYYYYY I have been traveling this weekend, so did not see that this WM was published

[+Outspoken1]

I was unaware of this discussion. I am sorry that I have not been active in the Forums, but the recent passing of my father has limited my time. I have chosen to just keep up with category reviews for now and will become more active as time allows. I have recently added the below addendum to Figurative in an attempt to clarify this premise of 'additive versus subtractive.' I am NOT trying to add new requirement out of the blue nor trying to decline Waymarks. As most of you know, I try to be very open to approving Waymarks and do not wish to aggravate Waymarkers. Here is what I added to the Figurative category explanation. "Additive vs. subtrative' was already in the Silhouette category (which is why the Silhouette category was created!).

 

NOTE: Recent discussion (2016) has occurred in the Forums regarding the type of Figurative sculptures that are in the vein of this category. The <a href="http://www.Waymarking.com/cat/details.aspx?f=1&guid=aec49fd0-82c2-4190-b13d-e281c8d3be93">Silhouette Public Art Sculptures category</a> was created after the original creator of the Figurative category (Caverspencer) explained in the Forums that Figurative sculptures were to be (paraphrased)"additive in creation, not subtractive. In other words, to be carved by removing material (for instance, clay) instead of welding metal together." I (Outspoken1) inherited this category from Caverspencer and strive to follow his guidelines of the original Figurative category. I tried to find the original discussion in the Forums that occurred in about July-August 2010, but the new Forums only go back to 2012 and the archived Forums end at 2006. There is discussion of this 'additive, not subtractive' requirement in the Silhouette category description which supports this guidance from Caverspencer.

 

This was already in the Figurative category description written by Caverspencer: [2. Figurative Public Sculpture must be sculpted "in the round"; that is, it must be three-dimensional. Sculpting may be defined as 'the art of carving wood, chiseling stone, casting or welding metal, molding clay or wax, etc., into three-dimensional representations, as statues, figures, etc.' Flat objects that are cut (but not shaped) are not allowed in this category.

 

I did not have time to read this Forum discussion, so hopefully I am not prodding a sleeping bear. Again, I have no wish to upset Waymarkers; my time is just temporarily limited while I deal with issues. Thanks for your understanding.

Edited December 29, 2016 by Outspoken1

[+Alfouine]

Indeed this discussion was interesting.

 

Now i give to you my point of view.

If we want Waymarking becomes more popular and that Groundspeak spend more times to improve our website, we need to find more players involved in the game

In France the Waymarking community is growing every weeks, but french people are not the best english speaking, that explains why they directly submit a category in peer review without using the forum...

 

I understand you want to respect the original idea, but complexify descriptions is the death of Waymarking.

Requirements must be clear and understandable, otherwise nobody understand the reasons for refusal the waymark.

And when your waymarks are often declined and when you do not understand why, because descriptions are abstract and vague, if you spent a lot of times creating these waymarks, you will give up the game.

 

And sometimes flexibility can be the right answer, if a waymark submitted is border line, but pictures are nice, description interesting , and no other category to submit it , why do not approve it ?

[+elyob]

Actually, we need category descriptions with less jargon. Descriptions must use straightforward language that can be more easily translated. Basic English vocabulary would always be better. Using less jargon will be a special challenge in those categories which focus on specific areas of interest. This will be an enormous challenge in some arts and culture categories.

 

Descriptions for new categories should involve waymarkers from different language groups. We did this in the humming stones and fishing ports categories.