+jonnycouk Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 (edited) I'm new to Geocaching - a month or so - and I'm keen on the remote Traditional Caches. I see them all over the place and some are a good trek away, letting me boot up and wander. I live in the UK. Some caches however seem to be "land locked" for want of a better term. I see some near to field edges with Bridleway's; all good. Some however are way inland, through several fields and appear to have been dropped by air! I'm interested in hearing how others in England navigate to these caches successfully and without upsetting land owners. I am very conscious about just stomping through fields in case I'm trespassing. I see some fields appear to have pathways and breaks in hedge rows etc. on Google Maps but this isn't guaranteed to be the case in real life and despite reading up on Rights of Way, I'm still a little nervous and mindful I may inadvertently stray across land I have no right to. Two caches I can give examples of are GC3YB5R and GCX2XW. These look accessible if I use the gates or fences but I don't want to be causing distress to landowners or worse still, landing up in court for trespass. Thanks for your advice and help in advice!! Jonny Edited August 19, 2016 by jonnycouk Quote Link to comment
+wmpastor Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I looked at the 1st of the two caches mentioned, and this seems to be a case where local knowledge would help with navigation. No recent finder mentioned an access issue. Why not contact a recent finder or two and discuss your concerns - or contact the CO? The listing shows parking and suggests where to turn. Have you been to the parking area to see if whether or not things become clearer once you're there? Near me there are some established public trails shown on local maps in what would otherwise appear to be privately owned suburban land. Quote Link to comment
Pup Patrol Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 (edited) I'm new to Geocaching - a month or so - and I'm keen on the remote Traditional Caches. I see them all over the place and some are a good trek away, letting me boot up and wander. I live in the UK. Some caches however seem to be "land locked" for want of a better term. I see some near to field edges with Bridleway's; all good. Some however are way inland, through several fields and appear to have been dropped by air! I'm interested in hearing how others in England navigate to these caches successfully and without upsetting land owners. I am very conscious about just stomping through fields in case I'm trespassing. I see some fields appear to have pathways and breaks in hedge rows etc. on Google Maps but this isn't guaranteed to be the case in real life and despite reading up on Rights of Way, I'm still a little nervous and mindful I may inadvertently stray across land I have no right to. Two caches I can give examples of are GC3YB5R and GCX2XW. These look accessible if I use the gates or fences but I don't want to be causing distress to landowners or worse still, landing up in court for trespass. Thanks for your advice and help in advice!! Jonny One has to assume that one can use a right-of-way that is publicly accessible. Read the cache descriptions. Look for "parking" coordinates either as an additional waypoint or in the cache description. https://coord.info/GC3YB5R Launton Laughs - Doctor Deterrent https://coord.info/GCX2XW RAF RAIL B. Edited August 19, 2016 by Pup Patrol Quote Link to comment
Pup Patrol Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 You might consider attending a local event, and getting advice from experienced cachers. The thing about events is that you can't be shy. You have to introduce yourself, and say that you're a new cacher looking for help/advice. https://coord.info/GC6ARJR BBH #103 Bordering on International Geocaching Day Event Date: 08/20/2016 https://coord.info/GC6JW6D Midnight Meet for Munchies at the Monument IV Event Date: 08/26/2016 (If this wasn't 5,600+ kms away from me and required air travel, I'd be all over this one.) https://coord.info/GC6PHZX Thank You Ladies! Event Date: 09/17/2016 B. Quote Link to comment
+niraD Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I've never been to England, but here in California, I've found a number of caches where part of the intended challenge is figuring out a safe, legal way to access the cache location. Quote Link to comment
+colleda Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 What you are seeing is not unusual. I've cached in UK and found that once you get near the search area access usually becomes obvious. As previously mentioned make use of parking coordinates. I wouldn't rely on Google to show the way. Quote Link to comment
+Legochugglers Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I'm new to Geocaching - a month or so - and I'm keen on the remote Traditional Caches. I see them all over the place and some are a good trek away, letting me boot up and wander. I live in the UK. Some caches however seem to be "land locked" for want of a better term. I see some near to field edges with Bridleway's; all good. Some however are way inland, through several fields and appear to have been dropped by air! I'm interested in hearing how others in England navigate to these caches successfully and without upsetting land owners. I am very conscious about just stomping through fields in case I'm trespassing. I see some fields appear to have pathways and breaks in hedge rows etc. on Google Maps but this isn't guaranteed to be the case in real life and despite reading up on Rights of Way, I'm still a little nervous and mindful I may inadvertently stray across land I have no right to. Two caches I can give examples of are GC3YB5R and GCX2XW. These look accessible if I use the gates or fences but I don't want to be causing distress to landowners or worse still, landing up in court for trespass. Thanks for your advice and help in advice!! Jonny Looking at your first cache quoted, whilst it is not shown as on a footpath on google maps, if you change the map option to open street map then a footpath is clearly shown on the map straight to the cache. I would use this mapping as your main guide. Quote Link to comment
+Legochugglers Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I'm new to Geocaching - a month or so - and I'm keen on the remote Traditional Caches. I see them all over the place and some are a good trek away, letting me boot up and wander. I live in the UK. Some caches however seem to be "land locked" for want of a better term. I see some near to field edges with Bridleway's; all good. Some however are way inland, through several fields and appear to have been dropped by air! I'm interested in hearing how others in England navigate to these caches successfully and without upsetting land owners. I am very conscious about just stomping through fields in case I'm trespassing. I see some fields appear to have pathways and breaks in hedge rows etc. on Google Maps but this isn't guaranteed to be the case in real life and despite reading up on Rights of Way, I'm still a little nervous and mindful I may inadvertently stray across land I have no right to. Two caches I can give examples of are GC3YB5R and GCX2XW. These look accessible if I use the gates or fences but I don't want to be causing distress to landowners or worse still, landing up in court for trespass. Thanks for your advice and help in advice!! Jonny Looking at your first cache quoted, whilst it is not shown as on a footpath on google maps, if you change the map option to open street map then a footpath is clearly shown on the map straight to the cache. I would use this mapping as your main guide. Same goes for the second one. Open street map default shows a permissive path straight to GZ. Quote Link to comment
+redsox_mark Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 (edited) Yes, the first one is on a public footpath, the second on a permissive path. For finding caches in the countryside in the UK, good maps help. I have both OS and Open Street Maps loaded on my GPS. I prefer the 1:25K OS maps, but they don't have all the permissive paths. I like to take a paper map with me too. Sometimes you will find an "unofficial" permissive path is used. This happened to me the other day, on a multi. There did not seem to be a path to the final coordinates on any of my maps. I was worried maybe I did the calculations wrong. But I found a well worn path that lots of locals were using to walk their dogs that led to the cache. So in general; get good maps, and trust that there will be a path even if you don't see one. If you can't find a path you are comfortable taking, then abort and say that in your log. Edited August 19, 2016 by redsox_mark Quote Link to comment
+Yorkshire Yellow Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I find the web site "Where's the path?" very useful sometimes. Quote Link to comment
+Yorkshire Yellow Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 There's also a way of getting OS maps as an option on the main map on GC.com but I can't seem to find the thread on it on the message boards for some reason. Quote Link to comment
ohgood Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 (edited) There's also a way of getting OS maps as an option on the main map on GC.com but I can't seem to find the thread on it on the message boards for some reason. it's built into the good applications, and highlights foot paths, so taking the map with you is super easy. here is an example: Edited August 19, 2016 by ohgood Quote Link to comment
+redsox_mark Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 There's also a way of getting OS maps as an option on the main map on GC.com but I can't seem to find the thread on it on the message boards for some reason. See this thread You can also use them with GSAK. Quote Link to comment
+redsox_mark Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 This is what the first cache looks like on Ordnance Survey map using GSAK. The parking is shown, the cache is the red marker. Quote Link to comment
+jonnycouk Posted August 19, 2016 Author Share Posted August 19, 2016 Thanks guys! All this has been a brilliant help. I just don't want to give Geocaching a bad name and to hack off landowners in the process. I've bought Locus Pro (recommended above) and thanks to Google Rewards I had £5.81 credit there so it's cost me 18p!! Happy days!! I'll give this a good trial this weekend. I've already asked a CO for advice on getting to some of their caches and I'm looking at Where's The Path. This is a pretty awesome site. Thanks again guys... much appreciated! Quote Link to comment
+jonnycouk Posted August 19, 2016 Author Share Posted August 19, 2016 I've heard about GSAK but not looked at it properly - I need to - my wife is not going to see me this weekend! LOL. Quote Link to comment
Pup Patrol Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I've heard about GSAK but not looked at it properly - I need to - my wife is not going to see me this weekend! LOL. But you will be taking her with you, no? Hey, you will get a souvenir for International Geocaching Day if you find one tomorrow (20th). B. Quote Link to comment
+jonnycouk Posted August 19, 2016 Author Share Posted August 19, 2016 She comes along sometimes - I think she likes the fresh air. What's the souvenir? Is it a virtual thing for finding a cache on International Geocaching Day? Quote Link to comment
Pup Patrol Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 She comes along sometimes - I think she likes the fresh air. Don't all cache trails in England end somewhere near a pub? What's the souvenir? Is it a virtual thing for finding a cache on International Geocaching Day? Souvenirs are virtual bits of artwork. You already have one in your profile. http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=272 http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=792 You might want to go into your profile, and under "email preferences" tick the boxes to receive the weekly newsletter and "tips and tricks". B. Quote Link to comment
+jonnycouk Posted August 19, 2016 Author Share Posted August 19, 2016 Done - Nice one! Thanks! Quote Link to comment
+Viajero Perdido Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Theoretically the low-detail Google maps on the cache page are "temporary", part of a "test". That was a while ago, and we haven't heard back since. In that place on the cache page there used to be OSM-based maps - with trails! - and there may well be again. Hey Groundspeak, whazzup with that test? Quote Link to comment
+redsox_mark Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Don't all cache trails in England end somewhere near a pub? The OS map shows pubs too. You will see a blue beer mug on the map I posted earlier; not far from the parking.... Quote Link to comment
Pup Patrol Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Don't all cache trails in England end somewhere near a pub? The OS map shows pubs too. You will see a blue beer mug on the map I posted earlier; not far from the parking.... Ah, geez, and I thought I was joking around. Can you see anything on the map or is it just solid blue beer mugs? B. Quote Link to comment
+Viajero Perdido Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 The first one I looked at, Launton Laughs (as linked above) has two pubs a very short crawl away. See here (but switch to Leaflet/OpenStreetMap Default for maximum pubby effect): https://www.geocachi...77,-1.1212&z=17 Quote Link to comment
+Cachez Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 How funny, I grew up really near there and the Black Bull was my local for some time in the 90s! My first car blew up its engine in the car park of that very pub. Are you from Bicester? Quote Link to comment
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