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Maybe Groundspeak is not ready for this but here it goes... I am thinking of a moving/travelling geocache. Think of it a bit like Einstein's Theory of Relativity, while the geocache will never have a fixed coordinates (GPS) in the world, relative to the transport object (cruise ship in this example) it does have a fixed position.

 

So, is this possible? Any suggestions? I was thinking along the lines of a Geocache page in the ship's library book.

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So, is this possible? Any suggestions?

 

No. Forget it, it will never happen.

 

Caches such as this were allowed in the early days, but haven't been allowed for years. There used to be one near me, in the boot (trunk) of a guy's car which would publish it's co-ords to a webpage, if you could track the car down he would open the boot for you to find the cache.

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Maybe Groundspeak is not ready for this but here it goes... I am thinking of a moving/travelling geocache. Think of it a bit like Einstein's Theory of Relativity, while the geocache will never have a fixed coordinates (GPS) in the world, relative to the transport object (cruise ship in this example) it does have a fixed position.

 

So, is this possible? Any suggestions? I was thinking along the lines of a Geocache page in the ship's library book.

 

I'm quite shocked that someone who has been a member since 2006 posted this.

 

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Maybe Groundspeak is not ready for this but here it goes... I am thinking of a moving/travelling geocache. Think of it a bit like Einstein's Theory of Relativity, while the geocache will never have a fixed coordinates (GPS) in the world, relative to the transport object (cruise ship in this example) it does have a fixed position.

 

So, is this possible? Any suggestions? I was thinking along the lines of a Geocache page in the ship's library book.

 

I'm quite shocked that someone who has been a member since 2006 posted this.

 

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Me too. I'm also quite shocked that Pup missed an opportunity to cite the relevant guidelines.

 

caches that have the goal to move (traveling caches), or temporary caches (caches hidden for less than 3 months or for one-time events) will not be published.

 

Traveling caches used to exist back in the very beginning of times on this website. There are still a few of them out there wandering the latitudes, but new ones won't be published.

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Maybe Groundspeak is not ready for this but here it goes... I am thinking of a moving/travelling geocache. Think of it a bit like Einstein's Theory of Relativity, while the geocache will never have a fixed coordinates (GPS) in the world, relative to the transport object (cruise ship in this example) it does have a fixed position.

 

So, is this possible? Any suggestions? I was thinking along the lines of a Geocache page in the ship's library book.

 

I'm quite shocked that someone who has been a member since 2006 posted this.

 

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A listing guidelines update in spring 2003 ended moving caches. Periodically there are threads asking for them to come back, or proposing the idea afresh, not knowing they used to be allowed for the first 2.5 years of geocaching. In one such thread, I wrote the following summary of the issues leading to the change in policy:

1. Placing the traveling cache in a restricted area where caches aren't allowed.

2. Owners who didn't update the coordinates for their moving cache, creating confusion.

3. Finders who did not log their retrieval of the moving cache, causing others to search at the given coordinates, wasting their time and possibly creating environmental damage.

4. Cache is out of range for the owner to maintain.

5. No control over whether the selected cache location meets the other listing guidelines on this site (too close to railroad tracks, etc.)

 

I can point to specific examples of some of the above problems.

It's highly unlikely that the policy prohibiting moving caches will be revisited.

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I have two TB's attached to a moving geocache that contains a log and trade items. They are just not officially a moving cache, but a trackable.

 

I believe that's as good as it's gonna get.

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Your cruise ship example sounds similar to a cache, probably Archived by now, on one of the commuter ferries near Seattle. I'm guessing such an idea, even with permission, would be an uphill battle to get approved nowadays.

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Even if the idea was allowed on something like a cruise ship, I doubt it'd fly due to the commercial guidelines. You have to pay a boat load of money (pun intended) and interact with staff to find it.

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Well, I won't bother to justify some things because a broad mind simply accepts that there are multiple explanations for many things in the world.

 

Just came to my mind the possibility of a "Disposable Cache" as well but anyway, some organizations are not easily adaptable to a changing world.

 

But nevermind fellow geocachers! I will make my own elsewhere and it won't be the end of the world.

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Well, I won't bother to justify some things because a broad mind simply accepts that there are multiple explanations for many things in the world.

 

Just came to my mind the possibility of a "Disposable Cache" as well but anyway, some organizations are not easily adaptable to a changing world.

 

But nevermind fellow geocachers! I will make my own elsewhere and it won't be the end of the world.

 

Well, have fun with it, whatever it is.

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Even if the idea was allowed on something like a cruise ship, I doubt it'd fly due to the commercial guidelines. You have to pay a boat load of money (pun intended) and interact with staff to find it.

 

Those aren't hard-and-fast rules. The "access fee" attribute exists precisely because you might have to pay money to get access to a cache. Interacting with staff isn't completely forbidden, either; I've found caches that were kept "behind the desk" somewhere that required one to ask for access. It only becomes problematic if that interaction with staff pressures the cacher to conduct a further commercial transaction.

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Maybe Groundspeak is not ready for this but here it goes... I am thinking of a moving/travelling geocache. Think of it a bit like Einstein's Theory of Relativity, while the geocache will never have a fixed coordinates (GPS) in the world, relative to the transport object (cruise ship in this example) it does have a fixed position.

 

So, is this possible? Any suggestions? I was thinking along the lines of a Geocache page in the ship's library book.

 

One does exist: ISS but I suspect you do not have the wherewithal to replicate it.

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Interacting with staff isn't completely forbidden, either; I've found caches that were kept "behind the desk" somewhere that required one to ask for access.

The reviewers probably just don't know that you need to ask someone for the cache. If they did know, I doubt many (if any) such caches would be published.

 

Anything is possible in geocaching... as long as the reviewer doesn't find out about it. :laughing:

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Even if the idea was allowed on something like a cruise ship, I doubt it'd fly due to the commercial guidelines. You have to pay a boat load of money (pun intended) and interact with staff to find it.

 

Those aren't hard-and-fast rules. The "access fee" attribute exists precisely because you might have to pay money to get access to a cache. Interacting with staff isn't completely forbidden, either; I've found caches that were kept "behind the desk" somewhere that required one to ask for access. It only becomes problematic if that interaction with staff pressures the cacher to conduct a further commercial transaction.

"Access Fee" is intended to capture things like state park entrance fees, trail permit fees, etc. -- NOT paying money to a commercial business like a cruise line.

 

I don't publish "behind the desk" caches, even in libraries, because of the staff interaction factor. This is per guidance from Geocaching HQ and the text of the commercialism/solicitation guideline.

 

Yes, there are exceptions that have slipped through the cracks or that have been published with special permission from Groundspeak. Those exceptions don't change the basic rules.

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Maybe Groundspeak is not ready for this but here it goes... I am thinking of a moving/travelling geocache. Think of it a bit like Einstein's Theory of Relativity, while the geocache will never have a fixed coordinates (GPS) in the world, relative to the transport object (cruise ship in this example) it does have a fixed position.

 

So, is this possible? Any suggestions? I was thinking along the lines of a Geocache page in the ship's library book.

 

One does exist: ISS but I suspect you do not have the wherewithal to replicate it.

The ISS cache is published pursuant to the listing guideline on Geocaches in Space, which was included specifically to override the other guidelines that might otherwise prohibit its publication (the moving cache guideline being one example). ;)

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Well, I won't bother to justify some things because a broad mind simply accepts that there are multiple explanations for many things in the world.

 

Just came to my mind the possibility of a "Disposable Cache" as well but anyway, some organizations are not easily adaptable to a changing world.

 

But nevermind fellow geocachers! I will make my own elsewhere and it won't be the end of the world.

 

Some organizations are so adaptable that it's been more than a decade since they implemented the most obvious iterations of geocaching and subsequently discarded the ones that didn't work out.

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I'm quite shocked that someone who has been a member since 2006 posted this.

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Maybe not enough involvement to notice?

 

- Have most on watch, and seems still 50/50 whether they're traveling the way intended on the cache pages.

Kinda surprised most are still active.

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Just came to my mind the possibility of a "Disposable Cache" as well but anyway, some organizations are not easily adaptable to a changing world.

We already have those now. :laughing:

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Maybe Groundspeak is not ready for this but here it goes... I am thinking of a moving/travelling geocache. Think of it a bit like Einstein's Theory of Relativity, while the geocache will never have a fixed coordinates (GPS) in the world, relative to the transport object (cruise ship in this example) it does have a fixed position.

 

So, is this possible? Any suggestions? I was thinking along the lines of a Geocache page in the ship's library book.

 

One does exist: ISS but I suspect you do not have the wherewithal to replicate it.

The ISS cache is published pursuant to the listing guideline on Geocaches in Space, which was included specifically to override the other guidelines that might otherwise prohibit its publication (the moving cache guideline being one example). ;)

 

Maybe it's just me but I don't really consider the ISS cache to be anything more than a novelty, a cache listing for a cache that realistically isn't going to be found by anyone and probably shouldn't be used an example of a type of geocache one might try to place.

 

 

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Maybe Groundspeak is not ready for this but here it goes... I am thinking of a moving/travelling geocache. Think of it a bit like Einstein's Theory of Relativity, while the geocache will never have a fixed coordinates (GPS) in the world, relative to the transport object (cruise ship in this example) it does have a fixed position.

 

So, is this possible? Any suggestions? I was thinking along the lines of a Geocache page in the ship's library book.

 

You may want to look at this. Your Idea is not new. My link

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Maybe Groundspeak is not ready for this but here it goes...

 

Well, I won't bother to justify some things because a broad mind simply accepts that there are multiple explanations for many things in the world.

 

...some organizations are not easily adaptable to a changing world.

 

So three times the OP pretty much insulted Groundspeak (and cachers in general), proposing an idea that they'd actually used long ago and gave up on for several very good reasons.

 

Way to go LoT...

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Maybe Groundspeak is not ready for this but here it goes... I am thinking of a moving/travelling geocache. Think of it a bit like Einstein's Theory of Relativity, while the geocache will never have a fixed coordinates (GPS) in the world, relative to the transport object (cruise ship in this example) it does have a fixed position.

 

So, is this possible? Any suggestions? I was thinking along the lines of a Geocache page in the ship's library book.

 

One does exist: ISS but I suspect you do not have the wherewithal to replicate it.

The ISS cache is published pursuant to the listing guideline on Geocaches in Space, which was included specifically to override the other guidelines that might otherwise prohibit its publication (the moving cache guideline being one example). ;)

 

Maybe it's just me but I don't really consider the ISS cache to be anything more than a novelty, a cache listing for a cache that realistically isn't going to be found by anyone and probably shouldn't be used an example of a type of geocache one might try to place.

How many remembered or logged International Space Station? This one was from back in 2003 when they allowed locationless caches. Granted this is not a true moving cache but it was the closest I had the opportunity to get to the ISS. :rolleyes:

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Maybe Groundspeak is not ready for this but here it goes... I am thinking of a moving/travelling geocache. Think of it a bit like Einstein's Theory of Relativity, while the geocache will never have a fixed coordinates (GPS) in the world, relative to the transport object (cruise ship in this example) it does have a fixed position.

 

So, is this possible? Any suggestions? I was thinking along the lines of a Geocache page in the ship's library book.

 

One does exist: ISS but I suspect you do not have the wherewithal to replicate it.

The ISS cache is published pursuant to the listing guideline on Geocaches in Space, which was included specifically to override the other guidelines that might otherwise prohibit its publication (the moving cache guideline being one example). ;)

 

Maybe it's just me but I don't really consider the ISS cache to be anything more than a novelty, a cache listing for a cache that realistically isn't going to be found by anyone and probably shouldn't be used an example of a type of geocache one might try to place.

How many remembered or logged International Space Station? This one was from back in 2003 when they allowed locationless caches. Granted this is not a true moving cache but it was the closest I had the opportunity to get to the ISS. :rolleyes:

 

I remember that one, and I logged it. I still miss the Locationless Caches. They could be a real booger to fulfill.

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I remember that one, and I logged it. I still miss the Locationless Caches. They could be a real booger to fulfill.

I remember keeping my eye out for a yellow jeep when out driving and taking a picture of it from my car. Other drivers probably though I was strange. Now days I would get a ticket for having a electronic device out while driving. :rolleyes: I found Locationless Caches fun and sometimes challenging. Edited by TahoeJoe

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Think this may be against the geocaching rules, but you could publish an easy to solve mystery cache, once published you could edit the cache to make it a locationless cache. 

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9 minutes ago, samuel.lewis12 said:

Think this may be against the geocaching rules, but you could publish an easy to solve mystery cache, once published you could edit the cache to make it a locationless cache. 

 

You mean like This One ?

Yeah, I believe if a Reviewer was made aware that a cache was "edited" after published to allow an option to log it as a moving cache-like thing instead of solving the puzzle, it'd probably be archived.  :)

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26 minutes ago, samuel.lewis12 said:

Think this may be against the geocaching rules, but you could publish an easy to solve mystery cache, once published you could edit the cache to make it a locationless cache. 

You think?

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Dear Leeds reviewer:

Please double check all Samuel's hides. He may be trying to skirt the guidelines by editing his listings. :ph34r:

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2 minutes ago, TriciaG said:

Dear Leeds reviewer:

Please double check all Samuel's hides. He may be trying to skirt the guidelines by editing his listings. :ph34r:

Aaaaah! You're one of those armchair Needs Archived loggers! Aaaaah!

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53 minutes ago, niraD said:

Aaaaah! You're one of those armchair Needs Archived loggers! Aaaaah!

Ha ha! Nope. I didn't look at his geocaches nor post any NA logs. ;)

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OK, so now I snooped and found this:

 

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08/16/2018

This cache has been deliberately altered since publication. Had it been in this format at the time it would not have been published.
As the CO is aware - locationless caches are no longer allowed.

https://coord.info/GC7TETF

 

*cough* *cough*

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2 hours ago, TriciaG said:

OK, so now I snooped and found this...

<slow clap>

 

5 hours ago, samuel.lewis12 said:

Think this may be against the geocaching rules, but you could publish an easy to solve mystery cache, once published you could edit the cache to make it a locationless cache. 

Looks like you just confirmed that this is indeed against the rules. Thanks for taking one for the team to demonstrate this to us.

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We have a couple of caches in our area that are fixed yet you have to find the TB with either the key or the code to unlock it.

 

One is simply a locker key and the cache is in a bowling ally locker. Very popular. Cache me if you can! https://coord.info/GCMJ1V

 

Another has three TBs each with a different code & color. Red/Blue/Yellow As you find the TBs you can go try out the codes to unlock the cacheThe Devil's Monty https://coord.info/GC77TF4

 

Another one requires you to find the TB code at an event.

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10 hours ago, MNTA said:

We have a couple of caches in our area that are fixed yet you have to find the TB with either the key or the code to unlock it.

 

One is simply a locker key and the cache is in a bowling ally locker. Very popular. Cache me if you can! https://coord.info/GCMJ1V

 

Another has three TBs each with a different code & color. Red/Blue/Yellow As you find the TBs you can go try out the codes to unlock the cacheThe Devil's Monty https://coord.info/GC77TF4

 

Another one requires you to find the TB code at an event.

There have been several caches in my home area, where you had to find a specific TB (or one of a small set) before could find and/or open the cache. However, all these degenerated relatively quickly into "friend network" caches, where people just asked for codes or cache coordinates at events. I admit that I'm not a big fan of the concept.

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4 hours ago, baer2006 said:

There have been several caches in my home area, where you had to find a specific TB (or one of a small set) before could find and/or open the cache. However, all these degenerated relatively quickly into "friend network" caches, where people just asked for codes or cache coordinates at events. I admit that I'm not a big fan of the concept.

 

Agreed. 

 On most here, the COs ended up giving people they knew were keeping track the final code, because that trackable's goal  (like many today) didn't stay in the area to make the idea work.  Ended up either in another state, or missing.  Haven't checked in a while, but there was only one still working.

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woop WOOP

 

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Move along, folks.  Nothing to see here.

 

 

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On 8/17/2018 at 6:15 AM, cerberus1 said:

 

Agreed. 

 On most here, the COs ended up giving people they knew were keeping track the final code, because that trackable's goal  (like many today) didn't stay in the area to make the idea work.  Ended up either in another state, or missing.  Haven't checked in a while, but there was only one still working.

 

We have one up here that works like that; I think it works because we're a geographically isolated area - no roads in or out. That being said the locals are pretty good about dropping the TB off in non-tourist caches so that helps too.

GC1QEQQ Nanuks Cypher

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On 4/15/2016 at 6:07 AM, Clarkbowman said:

 

You may want to look at this. Your Idea is not new. My link

Any idea if any of these are still circulating; despite being archived?

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9 minutes ago, PlR359 said:

Any idea if any of these are still circulating; despite being archived?

If I remember correctly, the cache owners were given the option to turn them into trackables. I have no idea how many CO’s took the offer though. 

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1 hour ago, PlR359 said:

Any idea if any of these are still circulating; despite being archived?

 

As Trackables, maybe...

Most (if not all) were locked after the COs gave their option.   No one could log it as a cache...       :)   

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On ‎8‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 4:47 PM, TriciaG said:

OK, so now I snooped and found this:

 

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ArchiveArchive

08/16/2018

This cache has been deliberately altered since publication. Had it been in this format at the time it would not have been published.
As the CO is aware - locationless caches are no longer allowed.

 

 

 

 

On ‎8‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 4:47 PM, TriciaG said:

https://coord.info/GC7TETF

 

*cough* *cough*

 

 

The Reviewer's Note from the following day is so much better!


 

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Post Reviewer Note

08/17/2018

By encrypting my previous log I must assume that the CO knew what he was doing and is now ashamed of his actions!

 

 

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