Duplicate listing

[+Michaelcycle]

I suspect that HW3332 link

and HW3334 link

 

are the same listing and that both refer to the triangulation station under the US C. &G.S manhole cover.

 

Looks like folks are logging the actual observatory for HW332 but the data sheet is the same for both (I logged HW334 as the data sheet for that one also described the RMs)

 

Before I make a note on HW332 I wondered what others thought?

Edited April 13, 2016 by Michaelcycle

[kayakbird]

HW3332 (note third three) is the LEANDER MC CORMICK OBS building itself. Known as an 'Intersection' they are no longer used or recovered to NGS as covered by several threads on this forum. Still in play here though.

 

kayakbird

Edited April 12, 2016 by kayakbird

[+Michaelcycle]

HW3332 (note third three) is the LEANDER MC CORMICK OBS building itself. Known as an 'Intersection' they are no longer used or recovered to NGS as covered by several threads on this forum. Still in play here though.

 

kayakbird

Sorry about the missing 3, that has been corrected. Normally the datasheet for an intersection station lists the point intersected. Here is the listing for HW3332 from NGS Data Explorer:

 

"HW3332'DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1965

HW3332'STATION UNIVERSITY IS LOCATED ON THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA PROPERTY

HW3332'IN THE SOUTH EDGE OF CHARLOTTESVILLE AT THE SITE OF THE LEANDER

HW3332'MC CORMICK OBSERVATORY.

HW3332'

HW3332'STATION UNIVERSITY IS 37 FEET WEST OF THE WEST EDGE OF THE

HW3332'OBSERVATORY, 33 FEET NORTH OF THE CENTER OF THE ROAD, 26 FEET EAST OR

HW3332'THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF A BRICK BUILDING AND 25 FEET EAST OF THE

HW3332'NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SAME BUILDING.

HW3332'

HW3332'NOTE--THE DIRECTION WAS TAKEN TO THE CENTER OF THE POLAR

HW3332'AND DECLINATION AXIS OF THE TELESCOPE."

 

Here is the datasheet for HW3334:

 

HW3334'DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1965 (ELH)

HW3334'THE STATION IS LOCATED ON THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA PROPERTY

HW3334'IN THE SOUTH EDGE OF CHARLOTTESVILLE AT THE SITE OF THE LEANDER

HW3334'MC CORMICK OBSERVATORY.

HW3334'

HW3334'STATION MARK IS 37 FEET WEST OF THE WEST EDGE OF THE OBSERVATORY,

HW3334'33 FEET NORTH OF THE CENTER OF THE ROAD, 26 FEET EAST OR THE

HW3334'SOUTHEAST CORNER OF A BRICK BUILDING AND 25 FEET EAST OF THE

HW3334'NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SAME BUILDING. THE MARK IS A STANDARD

HW3334'DISK SET IN THE TOP OF A CONCRETE POST, SET 4 INCHES BELOW

HW3334'THE SURFACE OF THE GROUND, AND IS STAMPED UNIVERSITY 1965.

HW3334'

HW3334'REFERENCE MARK NO. 1 IS 16 FEET SOUTH OF THE CENTER OF THE

HW3334'DRIVE-WAY AND 12 FEET WEST OF A TELEPHONE POLE. THE MARK

HW3334'IS A STANDARD DISK SET IN THE TOP OF A CONCRETE POST, SET

HW3334'FLUSH, AND IS STAMPED UNIVERSITY NO 1 1965.

HW3334'

HW3334'REFERENCE MARK NO. 2 IS 62 FEET SOUTH OF THE SOUTHEAST CORNER

HW3334'OF THE BRICK BUILDING AND 13 FEET SOUTH OF THE CENTER OF THE

HW3334'DRIVE-WAY. THE MARK IS A STANDARD DISK SET IN THE TOP OF

HW3334'A CONCRETE POST, PROJECTS 2 INCHES, AND IS STAMPED UNIVERSITY

HW3334'NO 1 1965.

HW3334'

HW3334'NOTE--THE DIRECTION WAS TAKEN TO THE CENTER OF THE POLAR

HW3334'AND DECLINATION AXIS OF THE TELESCOPE. THE DISTANCE IS TO

HW3334'A NAIL SET ON LINE AS REQUESTED BY DR. LAURENCE FREDRICK

HW3334'WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THE OBSERVATORY.

 

The location of both stations has the same description as you can see with additional information regarding the triangulation station and its reference marks. With some more digging I noticed that the datasheet locations are different:

 

HW3334: NAD 83(1993) POSITION- 38 01 58.01420(N) 078 31 21.17948(W) ADJUSTED

HW3332: NAD 83(1993) POSITION- 38 01 58.18429(N) 078 31 20.52514(W) ADJUSTED

 

So now I think that they are two separate stations but that the description for the intersection station got mixed up with the triangulation station nearby?

[2oldfarts (the rockhounders)]

HW3332 (note third three) is the LEANDER MC CORMICK OBS building itself. Known as an 'Intersection' they are no longer used or recovered to NGS as covered by several threads on this forum. Still in play here though.

 

kayakbird

Sorry about the missing 3, that has been corrected. Normally the datasheet for an intersection station lists the point intersected. Here is the listing for HW3332 from NGS Data Explorer:

 

"HW3332'DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1965

HW3332'STATION UNIVERSITY IS LOCATED ON THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA PROPERTY

HW3332'IN THE SOUTH EDGE OF CHARLOTTESVILLE AT THE SITE OF THE LEANDER

HW3332'MC CORMICK OBSERVATORY.

HW3332'

HW3332'STATION UNIVERSITY IS 37 FEET WEST OF THE WEST EDGE OF THE

HW3332'OBSERVATORY, 33 FEET NORTH OF THE CENTER OF THE ROAD, 26 FEET EAST OR

HW3332'THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF A BRICK BUILDING AND 25 FEET EAST OF THE

HW3332'NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SAME BUILDING.

HW3332'

HW3332'NOTE--THE DIRECTION WAS TAKEN TO THE CENTER OF THE POLAR

HW3332'AND DECLINATION AXIS OF THE TELESCOPE."

 

Here is the datasheet for HW3334:

 

HW3334'DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1965 (ELH)

HW3334'THE STATION IS LOCATED ON THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA PROPERTY

HW3334'IN THE SOUTH EDGE OF CHARLOTTESVILLE AT THE SITE OF THE LEANDER

HW3334'MC CORMICK OBSERVATORY.

HW3334'

HW3334'STATION MARK IS 37 FEET WEST OF THE WEST EDGE OF THE OBSERVATORY,

HW3334'33 FEET NORTH OF THE CENTER OF THE ROAD, 26 FEET EAST OR THE

HW3334'SOUTHEAST CORNER OF A BRICK BUILDING AND 25 FEET EAST OF THE

HW3334'NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SAME BUILDING. THE MARK IS A STANDARD

HW3334'DISK SET IN THE TOP OF A CONCRETE POST, SET 4 INCHES BELOW

HW3334'THE SURFACE OF THE GROUND, AND IS STAMPED UNIVERSITY 1965.

HW3334'

HW3334'REFERENCE MARK NO. 1 IS 16 FEET SOUTH OF THE CENTER OF THE

HW3334'DRIVE-WAY AND 12 FEET WEST OF A TELEPHONE POLE. THE MARK

HW3334'IS A STANDARD DISK SET IN THE TOP OF A CONCRETE POST, SET

HW3334'FLUSH, AND IS STAMPED UNIVERSITY NO 1 1965.

HW3334'

HW3334'REFERENCE MARK NO. 2 IS 62 FEET SOUTH OF THE SOUTHEAST CORNER

HW3334'OF THE BRICK BUILDING AND 13 FEET SOUTH OF THE CENTER OF THE

HW3334'DRIVE-WAY. THE MARK IS A STANDARD DISK SET IN THE TOP OF

HW3334'A CONCRETE POST, PROJECTS 2 INCHES, AND IS STAMPED UNIVERSITY

HW3334'NO 1 1965.

HW3334'

HW3334'NOTE--THE DIRECTION WAS TAKEN TO THE CENTER OF THE POLAR

HW3334'AND DECLINATION AXIS OF THE TELESCOPE. THE DISTANCE IS TO

HW3334'A NAIL SET ON LINE AS REQUESTED BY DR. LAURENCE FREDRICK

HW3334'WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THE OBSERVATORY.

 

The location of both stations has the same description as you can see with additional information regarding the triangulation station and its reference marks. With some more digging I noticed that the datasheet locations are different:

 

HW3334: NAD 83(1993) POSITION- 38 01 58.01420(N) 078 31 21.17948(W) ADJUSTED

HW3332: NAD 83(1993) POSITION- 38 01 58.18429(N) 078 31 20.52514(W) ADJUSTED

 

So now I think that they are two separate stations but that the description for the intersection station got mixed up with the triangulation station nearby?

I have been the navigator for our jaunts until we get to the site, I have been the decipher of the NGS datasheets as well as the GC datasheets. I have our laptop on my lap as we go with both the Delorme Topo Map program running while attached to the little gps unit and also our GSAK database up and handy. So I have gotten very familiar with how to look at these to let my hubby have the best on the spot info....

 

On the GC page it list this at the top.

 

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Details for Benchmark: HW3332

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N 38° 01.970 W 078° 31.342 (NAD 83)

Altitude: 866

 

Coordinates may not be exact. Altitude is SCALED and location is ADJUSTED. (more info)

 

Location:In ALBEMARLE county, VA View Original Datasheet

 

Designation:LEANDER MC CORMICK OBS 1965Marker

 

Type: NGS Benchmark

 

Setting: setting not listed - see description~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

Designation: LEANDER MC CORMICK OBS 1965Marker

 

Type: NGS Benchmark

 

These 2 lines will tell you all about the "Style" and "Type" of the mark.

 

Then the next line --

 

 

Setting: setting not listed - see description

 

Is the way the mark is set. When you see this "setting not listed and see description" - It can mean an unusual way of the mark being set or an intersection station as this mark is.

 

The important original "Documented History" is where the major clue for where the confusion is...

 

 

Documented History (by the NGS)

 

01/01/1965 by CGS (FIRST OBSERVED)

 

DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1965 STATION UNIVERSITY IS LOCATED ON THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA PROPERTY IN THE SOUTH EDGE OF CHARLOTTESVILLE AT THE SITE OF THE LEANDER MC CORMICK OBSERVATORY. STATION UNIVERSITY IS 37 FEET WEST OF THE WEST EDGE OF THE OBSERVATORY, 33 FEET NORTH OF THE CENTER OF THE ROAD, 26 FEET EAST OR THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF A BRICK BUILDING AND 25 FEET EAST OF THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SAME BUILDING. NOTE--THE DIRECTION WAS TAKEN TO THE CENTER OF THE POLAR AND DECLINATION AXIS OF THE TELESCOPE.

 

Here you see the info of the 1965 Station marked University as a reference that was used for the intersection taken to the exact center of the Polar and Declination Axis of the Telescope. The information of Station University was included just for clarification, or the Reference for the Intersection Station.

 

So, two different data sheets for two different Designations and Types of marks - one a Benchmark Disk and the other - the Intersection Station.

 

That is a beautiful old Observatory!

 

Shirley~

 

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[kayakbird]

RELATIVE LOCATION -GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE

 

 

A few Smoots off. MEL

 

0555 14 April 2016 - Noticed this bogus line in the 2009 recovery: HW3332_SATELLITE: THE SITE LOCATION WAS REPORTED AS SUITABLE FOR

HW3332+SATELLITE: SATELLITE OBSERVATIONS - March 19, 2009

Edited April 14, 2016 by kayakbird