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I vote no, Not Interesting or Informative - In general, good categories can be classified in one of two ways. Interesting: Can you imagine yourself sifting through the gallery for compelling and entertaining images, or making a special trip to visit a waymark in this category? Informative: On the flipside, you may not exclaim "Wow!", but perhaps you or someone else might find the waymarks in this category useful in some way. These waymarks can aid in accomplishing an everyday task more efficiently, or serve to gather enlightening information about a commercial location which may or may not be available from traditional sources.

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Hopefully Alfouine is a great alien hunter and i found your alien, is waiting for you at Gilmour (and not Gladstone) Bank corner.

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And I found two others :

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tansit tunnel University

 

Good job. The alien that landed along Gilmour is still there. Considering the change of weather and the fact that everyone is now outdoors to enjoy their coffee etc, photography will be a challenge. This is a good problem to have.

 

As for the alien that landed in the transit tunnel at the university, if the alien was in the tunnel itself, it is now missing. If the alien was in the transit station proper, it will be gone before 2018 when the station is demolished.

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Good job. The alien that landed along Gilmour is still there. Considering the change of weather and the fact that everyone is now outdoors to enjoy their coffee etc, photography will be a challenge. This is a good problem to have.

Good job too, Was it an interesting experience to look for alien ?

 

As for the alien that landed in the transit tunnel at the university, if the alien was in the tunnel itself, it is now missing. If the alien was in the transit station proper, it will be gone before 2018 when the station is demolished.

Unfortunately i can't help you more with streetview, i have to planned to go to Ottawa.

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:grin: click me

We have one deep down in Bavaria.

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I click on the frog and watch the good news, this means unknown and unreferenced creation for Internet exists, confirming the real potential of this idea :grin:

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I know about twenty of them in my closer environment. I never doubted that there are enough of them and I think you probably can find one in most areas of the world.

 

That is not the problem. And it's not that I don't like them. I do, but I'm not an afficionado.

 

My concern is, that the idea is too narrow, too limited. It has the potential to follow categories like Yellow Arrow Lookup or Kilroy Was Here and soon fall into oblivion.

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So the category is in peer review now and it does not look that bad yet.

 

But there are a lot of yea votes from people who have never voted before and and who have never posted or visited any waymarks. This can become a problem. The last time someone tried to recruit yea votes from his geocaching buddies, it resulted in a real massacre from the regular waymarkers.

 

I hope you have better luck.

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So the category is in peer review now and it does not look that bad yet.

 

But there are a lot of yea votes from people who have never voted before and and who have never posted or visited any waymarks. This can become a problem. The last time someone tried to recruit yea votes from his geocaching buddies, it resulted in a real massacre from the regular waymarkers.

 

I hope you have better luck.

 

Gaming peer review is pretty low.

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I checked all the profiles of voters, only four have never practice waymark and I know only one and I did not ask him anything.

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it was I who contacted geocachers friends by offering to vote, to educate the waymarks. Indeed, there is some time, I organized an event and caches on the waymarks, today I communicated to them the probability of a new category still in the idea to introduce them to the waymarks ...

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it was I who contacted geocachers friends by offering to vote, to educate the waymarks. Indeed, there is some time, I organized an event and caches on the waymarks, today I communicated to them the probability of a new category still in the idea to introduce them to the waymarks ...

 

It is still considered gaming peer review by contacting geocachers and asking them to vote to pass your agenda. Bad form on your behalf, and the category. <_<

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There is only 4 votes with 0 and 0 (and not 6 as it's written) and names are Voltarene, Tmt-family, 100d and Remayaju.

We ask to Dragon ball to correct his mistake and to contact them to change their vote in abstain and as you can see Tmt-family already changed his vote.

And we have 3 votes, which did not vote for the idea but just because of these 4 fake votes, Punga and Paua, jhuoni and Tuena

 

We can consider now (until fake votes become abstain votes) that the sanction is equitable.

 

I agree with Punga and Paua the voting system is not fair, geocacher with 0 visit and 0 waymarks should have an inactive waymark status for peer review.

 

I do not want to excuse Dragon Ball but argue an idea in a language you are not fluent, for which you can not fully explain your mind, you are not sure people understand what you have written and sometimes you do not understand exactly the meaning of the replies, with defenders mostly english native speakers can generate frustration and agressivity (sorry about that).

I assume to be a beginner (i did not know vote could be changed) in Waymarking but beginners could have great idea.

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You did nothing wrong and it is not obvious that it can be a problem. In contrary, it is the most natural thing to fight for your cause.

 

Only, this is a very small community, and there have been attempts to win reviews of really poor categories by massive promotion in national geocaching forums. It is clear, that this was seen as an unfriendly takeover, and now many regulars are a bit sensitive in this respect.

 

You are now being punished for someone else's failure. That is also not very fair, but understandable. You have to be indulgent.

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There is only 4 votes with 0 and 0 (and not 6 as it's written) and names are Voltarene, Tmt-family, 100d and Remayaju.

We ask to Dragon ball to correct his mistake and to contact them to change their vote in abstain and as you can see Tmt-family already changed his vote.

And we have 3 votes, which did not vote for the idea but just because of these 4 fake votes, Punga and Paua, jhuoni and Tuena

 

We can consider now (until fake votes become abstain votes) that the sanction is equitable.

 

I agree with Punga and Paua the voting system is not fair, geocacher with 0 visit and 0 waymarks should have an inactive waymark status for peer review.

 

I do not want to excuse Dragon Ball but argue an idea in a language you are not fluent, for which you can not fully explain your mind, you are not sure people understand what you have written and sometimes you do not understand exactly the meaning of the replies, with defenders mostly english native speakers can generate frustration and agressivity (sorry about that).

I assume to be a beginner (i did not know vote could be changed) in Waymarking but beginners could have great idea.

 

There are 7 with zero waymarks who voted for the proposal (3 since abstained). Another who has 1 waymark. Two others you could probably add to the list. Your proposal should be withdrawn if the remaining 5 don't abstain immediately as the voting has been stacked.

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There are 7 with zero waymarks who voted for the proposal (3 since abstained). Another who has 1 waymark. Two others you could probably add to the list. Your proposal should be withdrawn if the remaining 5 don't abstain immediately as the voting has been stacked.

 

We have only problems with 4 profiles with 0 waymark and 0 visit, we succeed to contact 3 of them and they changed their vote.

Nobody knows Voltarene, and the worth is a profile with 0 geocache it's a fake profile we sent to him messages but he does not reply.

 

We developped a lot Waymarking in Loire Valley and especially in Tours area, we have the best numbers of Waymarks in France with Paris and we try to convert a lot of geocachers to waymarks, so if there i as rule to say, if you have less than x visits and less than y waymarks you are not able to vote ok we will ask them to convert their vote but i do not want to destroy all the good job we made for Waymarking.

Dragon Ball is one of the most active waymarkers in our area and he wanted to convert more geocachers to Waymarking using the vote, it was an error but with good intentions.

 

Can you give me the name of others voters with 0 waymark and 0 visit, and i will ask them "immediately" to change their vote ?

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I do not want to excuse Dragon Ball but argue an idea in a language you are not fluent, for which you can not fully explain your mind, you are not sure people understand what you have written and sometimes you do not understand exactly the meaning of the replies, with defenders mostly english native speakers can generate frustration and agressivity (sorry about that).

 

It's very easy to understand. Dragon Ball is one of the officers that you appointed to help manage your idea for a new Waymarking category, and they admitted to vote rigging the peer review system so it would have a better chance.

 

Because he is one of the officers, it hurts the category you created.

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Alleluia, Voltarene changed his vote to abstained.

 

All voters now have played Waymarking, but may be some of them (1 or 2) are too beginners for you to vote but we can not consider this as a massive local vote to vote rigging the peer review system.

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Alleluia, Voltarene changed his vote to abstained.

 

All voters now have played Waymarking, but may be some of them (1 or 2) are too beginners for you to vote but we can not consider this as a massive local vote to vote rigging the peer review system.

 

It was still vote rigging. :anibad:

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It's not a big thing, every peer review brings some Geocacher votes. The result was never changed through these votes. I will eat some ice cream now, you should do the same.

 

:mmraspberry:

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There are 7 with zero waymarks who voted for the proposal (3 since abstained). Another who has 1 waymark. Two others you could probably add to the list. Your proposal should be withdrawn if the remaining 5 don't abstain immediately as the voting has been stacked.

 

We have only problems with 4 profiles with 0 waymark and 0 visit, we succeed to contact 3 of them and they changed their vote.

Nobody knows Voltarene, and the worth is a profile with 0 geocache it's a fake profile we sent to him messages but he does not reply.

 

We developped a lot Waymarking in Loire Valley and especially in Tours area, we have the best numbers of Waymarks in France with Paris and we try to convert a lot of geocachers to waymarks, so if there i as rule to say, if you have less than x visits and less than y waymarks you are not able to vote ok we will ask them to convert their vote but i do not want to destroy all the good job we made for Waymarking.

Dragon Ball is one of the most active waymarkers in our area and he wanted to convert more geocachers to Waymarking using the vote, it was an error but with good intentions.

 

Can you give me the name of others voters with 0 waymark and 0 visit, and i will ask them "immediately" to change their vote ?

 

Cristok, Laurette37, Yvabien. Moustic41 has one waymark. Dragon Ball should abstain as well just on principle.

 

 

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Did you win the battle?

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I don't know, how long is it to have a result ?

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I don't know, how long is it to have a result ?

When the poll is over, Groundspeak reserves the right to make the final decision. This usually takes a couple of days.

 

There used to be an email with the result and all comments, but this functionality seems to be broken.

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I don't know, how long is it to have a result ?

When the poll is over, Groundspeak reserves the right to make the final decision. This usually takes a couple of days.

 

There used to be an email with the result and all comments, but this functionality seems to be broken.

 

It does seem to be taking longer than normal, but this peer review was not average because of all of the invited votes from geocachers. Maybe that is being taken into consideration?

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It does seem to be taking longer than normal, but this peer review was not average because of all of the invited votes from geocachers. Maybe that is being taken into consideration?

 

I could bet that someone would give this argument and surprise, the winner is Manville Possum :surprise:

 

I kept the result pages, Pages

 

A quick count, Approve : 37, Deny : 10 and Abstained : 9

 

We can imagine Tuena is right and fresh waymarkers are not able to vote and Dragon ball is abstained.

 

The result is : Approve : 32, Deny : 10 and Abstained : 10

But we should take in consideration that 3 people did not vote for the idea but just for the 4 waymarkers with profile at 0

 

One more time, where is the massive vote of "invited" and does it change the issue.

 

But may be i do not know all subtleties of Peer review...

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It does seem to be taking longer than normal, but this peer review was not average because of all of the invited votes from geocachers. Maybe that is being taken into consideration?

 

I could bet that someone would give this argument and surprise, the winner is Manville Possum :surprise:

 

I kept the result pages, Pages

 

A quick count, Approve : 37, Deny : 10 and Abstained : 9

 

We can imagine Tuena is right and fresh waymarkers are not able to vote and Dragon ball is abstained.

 

The result is : Approve : 32, Deny : 10 and Abstained : 10

But we should take in consideration that 3 people did not vote for the idea but just for the 4 waymarkers with profile at 0

 

One more time, where is the massive vote of "invited" and does it change the issue.

 

But may be i do not know all subtleties of Peer review...

 

Yes, one thing you are forgetting is that the anonymous votes and comments are not shown. :anibad:

 

I would have gave your idea a yes vote, but it was too limited to only one cult game when there are several, and many of those space invaders will fit into other already established categories. :(

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I would have gave your idea a yes vote, but it was too limited to only one cult game when there are several ... /...

 

Why did not give you this point during the forum discussion ? It's a good idea, an that avoids to have category too restricted.

I never refused to improve my idea.

 

But may be it's not too late and category could be expanded, It's a question, i do not know ?

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I would have gave your idea a yes vote, but it was too limited to only one cult game when there are several ... /...

 

Why did not give you this point during the forum discussion ? It's a good idea, an that avoids to have category too restricted.

I never refused to improve my idea.

 

There were several core members of the Waymarking community here that gave you valuable input on your idea here in this forum very early.

They attempted to tell you it was too restricted. You stayed with the idea of a treasure hunt for space invaders. Several in peer review suggested including other cult arcade game characters be included. Maybe it will pass, but if not go back and rework it as suggested in peer review and resubmit your idea. Many Waymarkers do not post here in the forums.

 

Good Luck.

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It does seem to be taking longer than normal, but this peer review was not average because of all of the invited votes from geocachers. Maybe that is being taken into consideration?

 

I could bet that someone would give this argument and surprise, the winner is Manville Possum :surprise:

 

I kept the result pages, Pages

 

A quick count, Approve : 37, Deny : 10 and Abstained : 9

 

We can imagine Tuena is right and fresh waymarkers are not able to vote and Dragon ball is abstained.

 

The result is : Approve : 32, Deny : 10 and Abstained : 10

But we should take in consideration that 3 people did not vote for the idea but just for the 4 waymarkers with profile at 0

 

One more time, where is the massive vote of "invited" and does it change the issue.

 

But may be i do not know all subtleties of Peer review...

 

Your missing the point. The vote was rigged. Finis.

 

 

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It does seem to be taking longer than normal, but this peer review was not average because of all of the invited votes from geocachers. Maybe that is being taken into consideration?

 

I could bet that someone would give this argument and surprise, the winner is Manville Possum :surprise:

 

I kept the result pages, Pages

 

A quick count, Approve : 37, Deny : 10 and Abstained : 9

 

We can imagine Tuena is right and fresh waymarkers are not able to vote and Dragon ball is abstained.

 

The result is : Approve : 32, Deny : 10 and Abstained : 10

But we should take in consideration that 3 people did not vote for the idea but just for the 4 waymarkers with profile at 0

 

One more time, where is the massive vote of "invited" and does it change the issue.

 

But may be i do not know all subtleties of Peer review...

 

Your missing the point. The vote was rigged. Finis.

It can easily take a week until the result is published, even when there are no problems at all.

 

Inviting outsiders to a vote is an issue inside the community. Waymarking regulars do not promote their category outside the core community as a sign of fairness. It is an ethical topic, not a legal one.

 

Groundspeak has a different point of view. Group management and peer review are bound to premium membership, nothing else. There will not be any additional restrictions ever. Premium memberships are their main source of income and they will not do anything to lower the value of their product.

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There were several core members of the Waymarking community here that gave you valuable input on your idea here in this forum very early.

They attempted to tell you it was too restricted. You stayed with the idea of a treasure hunt for space invaders. Several in peer review suggested including other cult arcade game characters be included. Maybe it will pass, but if not go back and rework it as suggested in peer review and resubmit your idea. Many Waymarkers do not post here in the forums.

 

Good Luck.

Thank you, i appreciate :smile: and if necessary i will follow your advises.

 

It can easily take a week until the result is published, even when there are no problems at all.

 

Inviting outsiders to a vote is an issue inside the community. Waymarking regulars do not promote their category outside the core community as a sign of fairness. It is an ethical topic, not a legal one.

 

Groundspeak has a different point of view. Group management and peer review are bound to premium membership, nothing else. There will not be any additional restrictions ever. Premium memberships are their main source of income and they will not do anything to lower the value of their product.

Thank you for these explanations :smile:

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Premium memberships are their main source of income and they will not do anything to lower the value of their product.

 

I think that Premium memberships is Waymarkings only source of income, and that geocachers support this site and it could not stand alone with only the support of Waymarkers.

 

Still, I do not support the idea of inviting geocachers to vote for an idea in peer review. Even with those small numbers, it was a rather large turn-out of voters for a Waymarking category.

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So is it passed or not? Sorry we missed the vote in this one. Our internet was out for over a week while the vote was going on.

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So is it passed or not?

 

No yet, we have no result.

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Thank you for your help to improve my idea and know i have to manage it correctly.

 

Strange confirmation, no email, just waymarks submissions in my email box.

 

How did you know it was OK ?

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Thank you for your help to improve my idea and know i have to manage it correctly.

 

Strange confirmation, no email, just waymarks submissions in my email box.

 

How did you know it was OK ?

 

I would like to tell you that there is a Secret Society of Waymarkers and we have meetings and wear rings and coded things... :laughing:

 

But truthfully it's just learning to navigate a broken system. :ph34r: I just kept checking the newest categories link. :D

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I just kept checking the newest categories link. :D

I have a lot of things to learn :laughing:

 

Send an email to confirm a new category to the person who initiate the peer review would be logical !!

 

Nice beginning 9 waymarks, 1 from Canada, 1 from Brasil, 2 from USA, 1 from Austria, 1 from Switzerland and 3 from France

It looks like something Global...

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Send an email to confirm a new category to the person who initiate the peer review would be logical !!

 

Nice beginning 9 waymarks, 1 from Canada, 1 from Brasil, 2 from USA, 1 from Austria, 1 from Switzerland and 3 from France

It looks like something Global...

 

Yes, indeed it would, and likely just something that is now broken. :(

 

And you are off to a good start with new submissions. B)

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I just kept checking the newest categories link. :D

I have a lot of things to learn :laughing:

 

Send an email to confirm a new category to the person who initiate the peer review would be logical !!

 

Nice beginning 9 waymarks, 1 from Canada, 1 from Brasil, 2 from USA, 1 from Austria, 1 from Switzerland and 3 from France

It looks like something Global...

There was an email with the result and all the comments, but this function has been broken for a while now and I don't expect it to come back soon.

 

BTW: "1 from Switzerland", you mean this small country in the east with strange people and half of them speak a weird language? This time it was Belgium, not Switzerland, but I have two SI from Switzerland in my pipeline, they will be ready within the next two weeks or so.

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BTW: "1 from Switzerland", you mean this small country in the east with strange people and half of them speak a weird language? This time it was Belgium, not Switzerland, but I have two SI from Switzerland in my pipeline, they will be ready within the next two weeks or so.

 

Oups, Sorry

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I would like to tell you that there is a Secret Society of Waymarkers and we have meetings and wear rings and coded things... :laughing:

 

But truthfully it's just learning to navigate a broken system.

 

It ain't broke, just badly bent (which could go a long way in explaining some of the characters it attracts). :lol:

 

"I would like to tell you that there is a Secret Society of Waymarkers"

 

There you go - lettin' the cat outta the bag...

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For those who seek space Invader in France, Belgium or in United Kingdom, a few hundred addresses are listed in this site.

http://spaceinvaders.mosaic.free.fr/

 

And you can download the free app that allows you to play by accumulating points for every discovery! ;)

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For those who seek space Invader in France, Belgium or in United Kingdom, a few hundred addresses are listed in this site.

http://spaceinvaders.mosaic.free.fr/

 

And you can download the free app that allows you to play by accumulating points for every discovery! ;)

 

Two main reasons that I voted against this new category. 1. There is already a category for Mosaics. 2. The real reason was to promote another site other than Geocaching or Waymarking. <_<

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I was very disappointed to see this category get past Peer Review for the reason I know that most of the voters were non-waymarkers. I wish I could have remembered to copy/paste my 'No' vote here in the forum because I thought I summed up what was wrong about this category idea. This category should have been part of a much broader category titled 'Video Arcade Game Art.' or something similar. There are numerous other popular 80s video arcade games that probably exist as art around the world, much like Space Invaders. What's next a Pac Man art category? Asteroids category? Centipede category? Donkey Kong category? etc. etc. etc.....

 

:tired: :tired:

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I was very disappointed to see this category get past Peer Review for the reason I know that most of the voters were non-waymarkers. I wish I could have remembered to copy/paste my 'No' vote here in the forum because I thought I summed up what was wrong about this category idea. This category should have been part of a much broader category titled 'Video Arcade Game Art.' or something similar. There are numerous other popular 80s video arcade games that probably exist as art around the world, much like Space Invaders. What's next a Pac Man art category? Asteroids category? Centipede category? Donkey Kong category? etc. etc. etc.....

 

:tired: :tired:

 

This category revolves around illegal street art created by Vader, it could have fit in several categories already established.

 

And yes, the gamers gamed peer review to get it passed. :(

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I was very disappointed to see this category get past Peer Review for the reason I know that most of the voters were non-waymarkers.

 

It's completely wrong we asked voters with no waymark and no visit (4) to change their vote in abstained and they all did it.

You can not complain about Waymarking has few players and does not interest Groundspeak and not respect voters with few visits or waymarks.

And something funny, in the last peer review there are a lot of voters with no waymarks, much more than 4 and no one sayd anything !!! Strange !!!

 

This category should have been part of a much broader category titled 'Video Arcade Game Art.' or something similar. There are numerous other popular 80s video arcade games that probably exist as art around the world, much like Space Invaders. What's next a Pac Man art category? Asteroids category? Centipede category? Donkey Kong category? etc. etc. etc.....

I completely agree with this, but you explained this idea in your vote and not in the forum, it's ashamed but may be we can change this.

As i am a beginner, i thought at the end of peer review, i would receive an email to confirm the result and i would activate the category. I decided to not activate the category to take in account good ideas expressed during the vote. But it did not work like this....

 

Modify the description of the category seems easy and i would appreciate that english speaking native help me.

 

How could i change the name of the category ? I prefer "Game cult art" but "Arcade game art" is nice too but more restrictive.

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Alfouine -- Personally, I think your category is just fine as it is. It passed peer review, so run with it AS IS. Stop trying to please grumpy waymarkers who are still grousing about authorized voters, and who will never be happy, no matter what you do to try and appease them.

 

YOU wanted to waymark Space Invaders. That was your vision. YOU created the category, YOU found officers to support it, YOU wrote the category description and YOU got it through Peer Review. Now enjoy the category that matched your original vision and start having fun with it!!

 

Besides: As a waymarker I would take issue with a wholesale change to the category I voted on AFTER the vote was complete. Tweaks are fine and are sometimes necessary, but changing from a sharply focused category to a wide open and very broad category TO ME is too much.

 

IF you want to create another category (and I don't know why you would, what with all the grief you took and are STILL taking on this one), I'd suggest Video Arcade Games Characters In the Real World, and state in the description that this category will accept ALL Video game characters EXCEPT Space Invaders.

 

Or, in the alternative, let someone ELSE create that category, and you run your category that you conceived of and you love.

 

This is a GAME. You do your game.

 

Right now, I am trying to track down a Space Invader mosaic in Dallas. There were at least 2, but I know the one by Union Station was destroyed by street repairs. The other is in a parking garage in downtown Dallas -- only about 200 of those around town LOL

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