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[+Macinvilas]

Who in the world could have 751 caches in one day. That is physically impossible. I think people should be more honest. Remember it's not about numbers, but this bugs me.

[+Wet Pancake Touring Club]

There are power trails where this is possible. They are designed for generating these kinds of stats. A film pot every 528 feet, placed in an easy to grab location, highly visible, on a long, deserted stretch of highway. Usually a team, a driver, a grabber, and a signer or more. On some power trails, you can actually move the containers to save a few seconds. People plan this out with robotic precision. They also start one second after midnight, and go a full 24 hours.

 

Skye.

[+The A-Team]

Who in the world could have 751 caches in one day. That is physically impossible. I think people should be more honest. Remember it's not about numbers, but this bugs me.

What makes you think they're being dishonest? There are lots of people who have done it. 751 caches in a 24 hour period works out to about a cache every 2 minutes. Honestly, that actually seems a bit slow for a power trail.

's a video clip showing some cachers doing a power trail, and they average about 45-60 seconds per find (including driving time, finding, signing, replacing). If you assume an overall average of 60 seconds per cache, they could find 1440 caches in a day.

[+Macinvilas]

Thanks for the info.

[+hukilaulau]

Who in the world could have 751 caches in one day. That is physically impossible. I think people should be more honest. Remember it's not about numbers, but this bugs me.

Even though you may be technically wrong, I agree with you 100%. No one person can find 751 geocaches, take the log out, sign it and put it back where they found it in one day.

[+Walts Hunting]

Who in the world could have 751 caches in one day. That is physically impossible. I think people should be more honest. Remember it's not about numbers, but this bugs me.

 

That is actually a lower range number for serious power trailers.

 

You are wrong for many people it is only about the numbers.

Edited June 26, 2015 by Walts Hunting

[knowschad]

Who in the world could have 751 caches in one day. That is physically impossible. I think people should be more honest. Remember it's not about numbers, but this bugs me.

Even though you may be technically wrong, I agree with you 100%. No one person can find 751 geocaches, take the log out, sign it and put it back where they found it in one day.

 

Actually, I would say that he is technically correct but functionally wrong. Otherwise, I agree with everything you say.

[+narcissa]

Other people's stats don't matter. Play the game the way you want to play it.

[+J Grouchy]

It's obviously only truly "possible" when there is a team involved. Even then I think I'd go insane keeping up such a pace for more than an hour or so. To each their own. I'd be more interested in finding out a realistic "maximum" for one person doing it all: finding the cache, opening the cache, taking out the log, signing the log, replacing the log, closing the cache, replacing the cache in its hiding spot and traveling to the next cache...repeat repeat repeat...

 

You'd have to factor in eating, hydrating, the "call of nature", battery life and other basic needs as well. I imagine even if done by car it would realistically only be possible to do a few hundred.

Edited June 26, 2015 by J Grouchy

[+niraD]

It's obviously only truly "possible" when there is a team involved.

A team certainly helps, but there have been a few solo numbers runs on the ET Highway that have netted well over 500 finds in a day (less than a day, actually). Admittedly, it's still a numbers run trail, but they obviously used none of the common team-based shenanigans (three cache monte, or divide-and-conquer techniques like leapfrogging).

[+NYPaddleCacher]

It's obviously only truly "possible" when there is a team involved.

A team certainly helps, but there have been a few solo numbers runs on the ET Highway that have netted well over 500 finds in a day (less than a day, actually). Admittedly, it's still a numbers run trail, but they obviously used none of the common team-based shenanigans (three cache monte, or divide-and-conquer techniques like leapfrogging).

 

I recall seeing someone that did the ET trail on a motorcycle that did somewhere around 780 caches. The only time-saving device I think one could use while caching solo on a motorcycle would be to use a stamp instead of signing each log with a pen/pencil.

[+Captain Jon]

On a recent cross country trip I passed through a very cache popular area. I was surprised to see that the previous finders had bought new cache containers, pre-stamped logs, and loaded the caches. They just picked up the existing caches and put down their new ones. They were the only names in the logs and all the caches were the same yellow/orange pill bottles that stuck out to be seen by anyone driving along the road. Not a fan. But again, not for me to judge, just observe....

[knowschad]

It's obviously only truly "possible" when there is a team involved.

A team certainly helps, but there have been a few solo numbers runs on the ET Highway that have netted well over 500 finds in a day (less than a day, actually). Admittedly, it's still a numbers run trail, but they obviously used none of the common team-based shenanigans (three cache monte, or divide-and-conquer techniques like leapfrogging).

 

I recall seeing someone that did the ET trail on a motorcycle that did somewhere around 780 caches. The only time-saving device I think one could use while caching solo on a motorcycle would be to use a stamp instead of signing each log with a pen/pencil.

 

I wonder if he parked the bike on the shoulder and ran over, or if he rode right up to the cache?

[+GoBucks32]

Think this might be pretty cool to do with a group of friends. As long as the group decided to pitch in for gas since that would be a big expense. They do have # of caches in 24 hour achievements, so how else would you be able to get that achievement..

 

My other question and just curious about going as a team and the stamp to sign the log. Does the stamp say "the team was here"? How does that translate to GC.com when you log the find, does each geocacher get credit? Again I am just curious to know how it works.

[+niraD]

My other question and just curious about going as a team and the stamp to sign the log. Does the stamp say "the team was here"? How does that translate to GC.com when you log the find, does each geocacher get credit? Again I am just curious to know how it works.

I've seen teams get a stamp that lists the geocaching names of everyone on the team. I've seen teams get a stamp made that lists only an informal team name.

[+Walts Hunting]

On a recent cross country trip I passed through a very cache popular area. I was surprised to see that the previous finders had bought new cache containers, pre-stamped logs, and loaded the caches. They just picked up the existing caches and put down their new ones. They were the only names in the logs and all the caches were the same yellow/orange pill bottles that stuck out to be seen by anyone driving along the road. Not a fan. But again, not for me to judge, just observe....

If you were on a power trail that is acceptable behaviour.

[knowschad]

On a recent cross country trip I passed through a very cache popular area. I was surprised to see that the previous finders had bought new cache containers, pre-stamped logs, and loaded the caches. They just picked up the existing caches and put down their new ones. They were the only names in the logs and all the caches were the same yellow/orange pill bottles that stuck out to be seen by anyone driving along the road. Not a fan. But again, not for me to judge, just observe....

If you were on a power trail that is acceptable behaviour.

 

Can we maybe change the word "acceptable" to "accepted"?

[+NYPaddleCacher]

On a recent cross country trip I passed through a very cache popular area. I was surprised to see that the previous finders had bought new cache containers, pre-stamped logs, and loaded the caches. They just picked up the existing caches and put down their new ones. They were the only names in the logs and all the caches were the same yellow/orange pill bottles that stuck out to be seen by anyone driving along the road. Not a fan. But again, not for me to judge, just observe....

If you were on a power trail that is acceptable behaviour.

 

Isn't that sort of like saying it's acceptable to change the rules in a football game if it's being played on artificial turf?

[+AustinMN]

On a recent cross country trip I passed through a very cache popular area. I was surprised to see that the previous finders had bought new cache containers, pre-stamped logs, and loaded the caches. They just picked up the existing caches and put down their new ones. They were the only names in the logs and all the caches were the same yellow/orange pill bottles that stuck out to be seen by anyone driving along the road. Not a fan. But again, not for me to judge, just observe....

If you were on a power trail that is acceptable behaviour.

 

Read his post again. Unless I misunderstand, he's not describing Three Cache Monte. TCM (in theory) puts out one new container, then position-shifts the rest. By how I read his post, none of the original containers were anywhere on the entire PT.

 

Austin

[+Mudfrog]

On a recent cross country trip I passed through a very cache popular area. I was surprised to see that the previous finders had bought new cache containers, pre-stamped logs, and loaded the caches. They just picked up the existing caches and put down their new ones. They were the only names in the logs and all the caches were the same yellow/orange pill bottles that stuck out to be seen by anyone driving along the road. Not a fan. But again, not for me to judge, just observe....

If you were on a power trail that is acceptable behaviour.

 

People can do this all they want on a power trail. I just don't want them trying to tell me that they were geocaching.

[+SwineFlew]

I always wonder if the car rental companies really know what we are doing to their cars when we do those power trails.

Edited June 29, 2015 by SwineFlew

[+on4bam]

Read his post again. Unless I misunderstand, he's not describing Three Cache Monte. TCM (in theory) puts out one new container, then position-shifts the rest. By how I read his post, none of the original containers were anywhere on the entire PT.

 

Ok.. They should have DNF'ed then as they didn't find the original containers.

[+SwineFlew]

Read his post again. Unless I misunderstand, he's not describing Three Cache Monte. TCM (in theory) puts out one new container, then position-shifts the rest. By how I read his post, none of the original containers were anywhere on the entire PT.

 

Ok.. They should have DNF'ed then as they didn't find the original containers.

Really? I hope you are sarcastic.

[+on4bam]

Read his post again. Unless I misunderstand, he's not describing Three Cache Monte. TCM (in theory) puts out one new container, then position-shifts the rest. By how I read his post, none of the original containers were anywhere on the entire PT.

 

Ok.. They should have DNF'ed then as they didn't find the original containers.

Really? I hope you are sarcastic.

 

Nope. Did they find the cache? NO, so DNF (and a NM for the missing container) unless there's a page with PT specific rules where it says you can log a found without finding the cache.

[+The A-Team]

On a recent cross country trip I passed through a very cache popular area. I was surprised to see that the previous finders had bought new cache containers, pre-stamped logs, and loaded the caches. They just picked up the existing caches and put down their new ones. They were the only names in the logs and all the caches were the same yellow/orange pill bottles that stuck out to be seen by anyone driving along the road. Not a fan. But again, not for me to judge, just observe....

If you were on a power trail that is acceptable behaviour.

However, if you were not on a power trail, that is completely unacceptable behaviour.

[+SwineFlew]

Read his post again. Unless I misunderstand, he's not describing Three Cache Monte. TCM (in theory) puts out one new container, then position-shifts the rest. By how I read his post, none of the original containers were anywhere on the entire PT.

 

Ok.. They should have DNF'ed then as they didn't find the original containers.

Really? I hope you are sarcastic.

 

Nope. Did they find the cache? NO, so DNF (and a NM for the missing container) unless there's a page with PT specific rules where it says you can log a found without finding the cache.

I dare you to post NM logs on all the ET power trail caches.

[+Colonial Cats]

This is just an example on how the numbers game goes against the spirit of geocaching.

[+on4bam]

I dare you to post NM logs on all the ET power trail caches.

 

1. If I"m ever there, I will.

2. I've posted DNFs and NM on PT caches before.

3. Your point being?

 

Maybe it's time for powertrail.com where you can do whatever you want once you're near a posted coordinate, be it drop your own, rehide at the next coordinate... anything goes... just to make sure at the end of the day you logged 756 instead of 745 (disaster of course)

[+AustinMN]

Read his post again. Unless I misunderstand, he's not describing Three Cache Monte. TCM (in theory) puts out one new container, then position-shifts the rest. By how I read his post, none of the original containers were anywhere on the entire PT.

 

Ok.. They should have DNF'ed then as they didn't find the original containers.

 

Since the post I asked you to read (and I quoted it) contained the phrase:

 

They just picked up the existing caches and put down their new ones.

 

It's not a DNF or a NM. But it might be cache theft.

[+on4bam]

Since the post I asked you to read (and I quoted it) contained the phrase:

 

They probably found the container a previous guy threw down and not the container the CO placed. Anyway, it's not "find cache, sign log, replace cache to its original place".

 

Try the same with other (non PT) caches and see what happens

[+SwineFlew]

I dare you to post NM logs on all the ET power trail caches.

 

1. If I"m ever there, I will.

2. I've posted DNFs and NM on PT caches before.

3. Your point being?

 

Maybe it's time for powertrail.com where you can do whatever you want once you're near a posted coordinate, be it drop your own, rehide at the next coordinate... anything goes... just to make sure at the end of the day you logged 756 instead of 745 (disaster of course)

Please dont waste your time posting NM... unless you want drama.

 

If you are still going to do it, let me know ahead of time so I can get my bowl of popcorn ready. I promise you that the max is going to hang you by your toenails.

[knowschad]

Read his post again. Unless I misunderstand, he's not describing Three Cache Monte. TCM (in theory) puts out one new container, then position-shifts the rest. By how I read his post, none of the original containers were anywhere on the entire PT.

 

Ok.. They should have DNF'ed then as they didn't find the original containers.

 

Not the way it was described: "They just picked up the existing caches and put down their new ones". Doesn't say anything about not finding the original (or at least, previously dropped) container. Just says that they didn't take time to sign the log onsite.

 

Not that I don't feel as you do about all of these PT practices. Just clarifying this one situation.

[knowschad]

Read his post again. Unless I misunderstand, he's not describing Three Cache Monte. TCM (in theory) puts out one new container, then position-shifts the rest. By how I read his post, none of the original containers were anywhere on the entire PT.

 

Ok.. They should have DNF'ed then as they didn't find the original containers.

 

Since the post I asked you to read (and I quoted it) contained the phrase:

 

They just picked up the existing caches and put down their new ones.

 

It's not a DNF or a NM. But it might be cache theft.

 

Yeah... what he said.

[+GeoBain]

I dare you to post NM logs on all the ET power trail caches.

 

1. If I"m ever there, I will.

2. I've posted DNFs and NM on PT caches before.

3. Your point being?

 

Maybe it's time for powertrail.com where you can do whatever you want once you're near a posted coordinate, be it drop your own, rehide at the next coordinate... anything goes... just to make sure at the end of the day you logged 756 instead of 745 (disaster of course)

Please dont waste your time posting NM... unless you want drama.

 

If you are still going to do it, let me know ahead of time so I can get my bowl of popcorn ready. I promise you that the max is going to hang you by your toenails.

[+GeoBain]

I dare you to post NM logs on all the ET power trail caches.

 

1. If I"m ever there, I will.

2. I've posted DNFs and NM on PT caches before.

3. Your point being?

 

Maybe it's time for powertrail.com where you can do whatever you want once you're near a posted coordinate, be it drop your own, rehide at the next coordinate... anything goes... just to make sure at the end of the day you logged 756 instead of 745 (disaster of course)

Please dont waste your time posting NM... unless you want drama.

 

If you are still going to do it, let me know ahead of time so I can get my bowl of popcorn ready. I promise you that the max is going to hang you by your toenails.

 

I agree with on4bam in that these might as well be listed on another site dedicated to power trails. This is NOT what geocaching is about. Power trails such as the E.T. are a bastardization of geocaching. If I ever found myself in the area, I would probably posts NM's as well!

[+Path Pacer]

On a recent cross country trip I passed through a very cache popular area. I was surprised to see that the previous finders had bought new cache containers, pre-stamped logs, and loaded the caches. They just picked up the existing caches and put down their new ones. They were the only names in the logs and all the caches were the same yellow/orange pill bottles that stuck out to be seen by anyone driving along the road. Not a fan. But again, not for me to judge, just observe....

If you were on a power trail that is acceptable behaviour.

 

People can do this all they want on a power trail. I just don't want them trying to tell me that they were geocaching.

That seems to be the gist of it. I'm not sure what to call power trails, but they aren't traditional geocaching. Some weird hybrid, I guess. Still, we have event caches and virtual caches and webcam caches, so not all caching is "find cache, sign log, return." Perhaps they should have their own category, like other non-traditional caches?

[+briansnat]

On a recent cross country trip I passed through a very cache popular area. I was surprised to see that the previous finders had bought new cache containers, pre-stamped logs, and loaded the caches. They just picked up the existing caches and put down their new ones. They were the only names in the logs and all the caches were the same yellow/orange pill bottles that stuck out to be seen by anyone driving along the road. Not a fan. But again, not for me to judge, just observe....

If you were on a power trail that is acceptable behaviour.

 

Can we maybe change the word "acceptable" to "accepted"?

 

Or "accepted by some". To me it barely resembles geocaching. And unfortunately that "ethic" is seeping into non power trail caches. I've seen a number of complaints on FB pages where someone had a series of caches, or "geo art", where the containers were customized for the location. They had to go out and reset all of their caches after one of these power geocachers rolled through.

[+GeoBain]

On a recent cross country trip I passed through a very cache popular area. I was surprised to see that the previous finders had bought new cache containers, pre-stamped logs, and loaded the caches. They just picked up the existing caches and put down their new ones. They were the only names in the logs and all the caches were the same yellow/orange pill bottles that stuck out to be seen by anyone driving along the road. Not a fan. But again, not for me to judge, just observe....

If you were on a power trail that is acceptable behaviour.

 

Can we maybe change the word "acceptable" to "accepted"?

 

Or "accepted by some". To me it barely resembles geocaching. And unfortunately that "ethic" is seeping into non power trail caches. I've seen a number of complaints on FB pages where someone had a series of caches, or "geo art", where the containers were customized for the location. They had to go out and reset all of their caches after one of these power geocachers rolled through.

 

+1

 

I have more accolades, but reserve any further support for fear of being... well, for fear of....