+Team DEMP Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Is there any online service that would be the equivalent of MapQuest but shows trails with a pin for the cache waypoint? I think software like Delorme Topo does, but is there anything online? David Quote Link to comment
+ZeeWire Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 I'm not aware of any service like that besides the classic mapquest. I like to use Expert GPS for that. I can get the waypoints overlaid over a choice of topographic or aerial maps, But the best part is that I can scan any trail map of an area and then use it in the same manner! Really useful if you like to see what trail is closer to the cache. Quote Link to comment
+scoobydooers Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 Try http://www.lostoutdoors.com/newmap.html looking at the USGS Photo image of the area and compairing it with other maps you get a good idea of exactly where to look for a cache in relation to the objects at the site. its very helpfull if you need to know what side of a river something is on or how far off of the trail it is Scoobydooers quote:Originally posted by Team DEMP:Is there any online service that would be the equivalent of MapQuest but shows trails with a pin for the cache waypoint? I think software like Delorme Topo does, but is there anything online? David Quote Link to comment
+Team DEMP Posted September 23, 2003 Author Share Posted September 23, 2003 From what I can tell, Delorme's Topo shows Trails. See http://www.delorme.com/topousa/samples.asp?sample4=images/PikesPeak.jpg&x=35&y=48 and I think it's showing a known trail and not someones tracks, correct? So what I'd be looking for is something online that can show this same type of info. So if I went and mapped out say 5 caches in a park, which trails would I take and how best to hit all 5, as an example, is what I'm looking for. And if there's nothing online, is Delorme the best choice - $86 for all of the US? Is the National Geographic software better - $89 just for the North East? Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 I've never used DeLorme, but the consensus among those who've used both seems to be that NG Topo! is far better. I have NG Topo! and I really like it. Most mapping software doesn't show most hiking trails. This is probably because hiking trails are very fluid and subject to frequent relocation. The software would probably be out of date before its released. NG Topo does show some older, long existing trails, but doesn't provide the detailed maps of trail networks that I think you're looking for. I'm sure DeLorme is similar in that respect. I think what you are seeing on that link to Delorme is a track. "You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm Quote Link to comment
+Alan2 Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Team DEMP:From what I can tell, Delorme's Topo shows Trails. See http://www.delorme.com/topousa/samples.asp?sample4=images/PikesPeak.jpg&x=35&y=48 and I think it's showing a known trail and not someones tracks, correct? So what I'd be looking for is something online that can show this same type of info. So if I went and mapped out say 5 caches in a park, which trails would I take and how best to hit all 5, as an example, is what I'm looking for. And if there's nothing online, is Delorme the best choice - $86 for all of the US? Is the National Geographic software better - $89 just for the North East? I don't know anything about Delorme but have NG Topo. NG has many of the trails in our area already stored on their website. For example, you can download all those in Harriman Park into NG program. Then add your 5 cache waypoints. Then upload the route nearest the cache and the cache waypoints into your GPS. Then follow the route to the caches. I actualy did that with a couple of Brian's cache in NJ and it was really neat. As a companion support, get the NY and NJ Trail Conference hiking trail maps for the areas you plan on caching. They really help locate the best trails to take and the Conference has these maps for everything around. Good luck Alan Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 quote: NG has many of the trails in our area already stored on their website. For example, you can download all those in Harriman Park into NG program. I didn't know this. Thanks for the info Alan. "You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm Quote Link to comment
+Alan2 Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 If anyone's interested in seeing what trails NG has already routed for you, check their MapXchange Just pull down the area you're interested in. For the northeast, they have trails routed for the following areas. It's pretty extensive as you can see. OF course you need to purchase their Northeast program about $99 in order to load the routes. But then you get all the 24K quad maps for 10 states in the northeast and can print out these maps, add UTM grid lines, upload to you GPS, etc. 46 Highest Peaks of the Adirondacks Glenn Bock, 04/24/00 Hiking, Peak Bagging Katahdin_Trip.tpo, Katahdin_trip.tpg Samara Anderson, 07/03/01 hiking Adirondack Peak Tom Pennington, 09/17/99 Hiking, Peak Climbing, Snow-shoeing Lake George Glenn Bock, 04/24/00 Hiking, Biking, Canoeing, History Adirondack Peaks Over 3000 Feet QAM1, 06/09/00 Hiking, Peakbagging, Bushwhacking Lake Winnipesaukee Numbered Buoys BlueDolphin, 07/28/01 Boating africa loop-harriman park LocalHikes.Com, 07/22/03 Hikers, Dogs Lampson Falls LocalHikes.Com, 07/22/03 Hikers, Dogs, Bikes Allamuchy Mountain State Park Mountain Biking Jon Petersen, 09/14/01 mountain biking LetterRock Mtn Loop LocalHikes.Com, 07/22/03 Hikers Appalachian Trail -- Maine Data Source: National Park Service, 07/03/01 Hiking, Cross Country Skiing Long Island Greenbelt Trail: Connetquot River State Park-Heckscher State Park Donald House, 06/02/03 Appalachian Trail - New Hampshire Jeremy Osgood, 08/07/01 hiking Long Mountain Loop LocalHikes.Com, 08/01/03 Hikers Appalachian Trail -- White Mtns. Data Source: National Park Service, 03/23/00 Hiking, Cross Country Skiing Long Trail Data Source: US Forest Service, 02/11/00 Hiking, Snowshoeing Appalachian Trail- Berkshire Data Source: National Park Service, 03/22/00 Hiking, Cross Country Skiing Lowell NHP Glenn Bock, 08/02/01 Appalachian Trail- NYC area Data Source: National Park Service, 03/23/00 Hiking, Cross Country Skiing Maine Shore Hikes Glenn Bock, 07/03/01 Hiking Appalachian Trail- So. Vermont Data Source: National Park Service, 03/23/00 Hiking, Cross Country Skiing Major Welch Trail LocalHikes.Com, 07/21/03 Hikers, Dogs Arcadia North Cabby, 11/06/01 Mountain Biking, Hiking, Equestrian and Fishing Martha's Vineyard Adventure Kayaking David Weintraub, 08/03/01 paddling, hiking Balsam Lake -- Catskills James P. Lambert, 06/27/01 hiking Mason Hill Tom Ekman, 09/17/99 Biking Billerica State Forest LocalHikes.Com, 09/02/03 Hikers, Dogs, Bikes, Horses Mount Desert Data Source: National Park Service, 07/03/01 hiking Blackhead Range, Catskills, NY LocalHikes.Com, 09/02/03 Hikers Mount Marcy of Adirondacks Glenn Bock, 04/24/00 Hiking Bog River Adirondack Willy, 04/24/00 Canoeing, Hiking Nassau-Suffolk Trail: Stillwell Woods-St Pius X Donald House, 11/25/02 Boston Trails Dan Braun, 09/17/99 Hiking, Biking, Birding New Hampshire Appalachian Trail Jeremy "Swamp Donkey" Osgood, Eastern Sales Manager for National Geographic Maps, 01/14/00 Hiking Bradley Mine Hike LocalHikes.Com, 07/21/03 Hikers, Dogs Northfield Mountain LocalHikes.Com, 09/02/03 Hikers, Dogs Briarcliff Peekskill Trail and Blue Mountain John B. Graham, 03/30/02 Hiking, Bird Watching (Teatown), Mountain Biking (Blue Mountain) Northville Placid Trail - North section Kenneth A. Reek, 08/11/00 Hiking, Canoeing Burroughs Range Catskills NY LocalHikes.Com, 07/22/03 Hikers Northville Placid Trail - Southern Section Kenneth A. Reek, 08/11/00 Hiking, Canoeing Butler Sanctuary John B. Graham, 03/30/02 Hiking, Bird Watching Oswegatchie River Adirondack Willy, 03/22/00 Hiking, Canoeing Buttermilk Falls Loop, NJ LocalHikes.Com, 07/22/03 Hikers Panther Mountain Peter Sniderman, 09/17/99 Hiking, birding Canoe and Kayak Put-in Spots in Connecticut - .tpg file Gregory Hanson, 06/28/01 canoeing, kayaking, boating Paulinskill Rail trail - Marksboro, New Jersey Teresa Rose, 09/04/03 Biking, hiking, birdwatching, horseback riding Canoe and Kayak Put-in Spots in Connecticut - .tpo file Gregory Hanson, 06/28/01 kayaking, canoeing, boating Peebles Island Perimeter Trail LocalHikes.Com, 07/21/03 Hikers, Dogs Cape cod - Trail of Tears - mountain biking Jon Petersen, 05/08/01 Mountain Biking Pine Meadow Lake Loop LocalHikes.Com, 07/21/03 Hikers Cape Cod Adventure Kayaking David Weintraub, 08/03/01 paddling, hiking Pochuck Relocation Mark Koenig, 09/24/01 Hiking Cape Cod Hikes Glenn Bock, 08/09/00 Hiking, Historical Touring Rail Trail Gregory Hanson, 03/22/00 Bicycling Catskills Hiking Data Source: NY State Department of Environmental Conservation, 02/22/00 Hiking Ramapo Overlook to Lake Todd and Waterfall LocalHikes.Com, 07/22/03 Hikers, Dogs Catskills Horseback Riding Data Source: NY State Department of Environmental Conservation, 02/22/00 Horseback Riding Ramapo Reservation Loop LocalHikes.Com, 08/01/03 Hikers Catskills Snowmobiling Data Source: NY State Department of Environmental Conservation, 02/22/00 Snowmobiling Raquette River Adirondack Willy, 08/03/01 canoeing, hiking Christie Mine - Big Hill Loop LocalHikes.Com, 08/01/03 Hikers Reeves Brook Loop-Harriman Park LocalHikes.Com, 07/22/03 Hikers, Dogs Delaware Park New Jersey -Peter's Valley Loop Teresa Rose, 09/04/03 Biking, hiking, fishing Ringwood State Park Mountain Biking Jon Petersen, 09/14/01 biking Delaware Water Gap NRA Data Source: National Park Service, 03/15/00 Hiking Ruins -- Catskills James Lambert, 06/27/01 hiking Dorr Mountain Loop- Acadia National Park Jesse Fulkerson, 09/17/99 Hiking Saddle Ball Mountain LocalHikes.Com, 09/02/03 Hikers, Dogs Eagle Mountain -- Catskills James Lambert, 06/27/01 hiking Sandwich Range Nancy Klinger, 09/17/99 Hiking, snowshoeing Eastern Massachusetts Hikes Jeff Schlueter, 06/02/00 Hiking, Dog Walking Saranac Lakes Adirondack Willy, 07/06/00 Hiking, Canoeing Elk Pen Loop, Harriman SP, NY LocalHikes.Com, 08/01/03 Hikers Saratoga National Historical Park Glenn Bock, 03/23/00 Hiking F. Gilbert Hills State Forest (Foxboro) Cabby, 07/15/01 Mountain Biking, hiking. Shawangunk Loop, NY LocalHikes.Com, 07/22/03 Hikers Fahnestock State Park Area Trails John Graham, 05/13/02 Hiking, Mountain Biking, Cross Country Skiing, Camping, Boating and Swimming Shumunkanuc Road LocalHikes.Com, 07/22/03 Hikers, Dogs, Bikes, Horses Features - Boston Glenn Bock, 08/02/01 Silver Mine Loop, Stokes SF, NJ LocalHikes.Com, 07/22/03 Hikers Features of New Hampshire Glenn Bock, 03/23/00 Hiking South Vermont Hikes Glenn Bock, 08/11/00 Hiking Flat Brook Loop, Delaware Water Gap NP, NJ LocalHikes.Com, 08/01/03 Hikers Southern Vermont Hikes Glenn Bock, 09/17/99 Hiking Freedom Trail Glenn Bock, 07/03/01 Spier Falls Mountain Bike Trails korotdp, 08/12/03 Hiking, Mountain biking Freetown State Forest Cabby, 11/06/01 Mountain Biking, Hiking, X-Country Skiing, and Snow Mobile Stairway to Heaven Loop, NJ LocalHikes.Com, 07/22/03 Hikers Fulton Chain Adirondack Willy, 04/24/00 Hiking, Canoeing Sterling Forest, Ringwood and the Ramapo Mountains John Graham, 05/14/02 Hiking, Mountain Biking and Birdwatching Gardiner County Park Loop LocalHikes.Com, 07/22/03 Hikers, Dogs Sterling Valley Loop, Sterling SF, NY LocalHikes.Com, 08/01/03 Hikers Grafton Lakes SP, Chet Bell Loop Trail LocalHikes.Com, 07/21/03 Hikers, Dogs, Bikes, Horses Stokes Forest Loop, NJ LocalHikes.Com, 07/22/03 Hikers Green Mountain NF Ownership Data Source: US Forest Service, 07/03/01 Stokes State Park - New Jersey Teresa Rose, 09/04/03 Hiking, Biking, birdwatching, fishing Green Mountain NF rec sites Data Source: US Forest Service, 07/03/01 Hiking, Snowshoeing, Mountain Biking Stonetown Circular, Norvin Green SF, NJ LocalHikes.Com, 09/02/03 Hikers Green Mountain NF Vistas Data Source: US Forest Service, 08/08/01 Sugarloaf Mt Catskills, NY LocalHikes.Com, 07/22/03 Hikers Green Mountains USDA Forest Service, 02/11/00 Hiking, Snowshoeing, Mountain Biking Terrain Features - Berkshires Glenn Bock, 08/02/01 Harriman State Park Trails John Graham, 05/18/02 Hiking,Backpacking, Mountain Biking, Camping, Boating & Fishing Terrain Features - Maine Glenn Bock, 08/02/01 Harris Mountain LocalHikes.Com, 08/01/03 Hikers, Dogs, Bikes The Presidential Range Jeremy "Swamp Donkey" Osgood, Eastern Sales Manager for National Geographic Maps, 01/14/00 Hiking Hartford Hikes Dan Braun, 09/17/99 Hiking, Birding The Trail Less Travelled NJ LocalHikes.Com, 07/22/03 Hikers Hawkins Pond Nature Area Mike Sporer, 11/06/02 Hiking Tower Loop Stokes SF, NJ LocalHikes.Com, 07/22/03 Hikers High Mountain Preserve Loop LocalHikes.Com, 08/01/03 Hikers, Dogs Triple R Brooks Ride Tom Ekman, 08/03/01 biking, hiking High Peaks of the White Mountains Glenn Bock, 04/24/00 Hiking, Peakbagging Two Towers Hike LocalHikes.Com, 07/21/03 Hikers, Dogs High Point Park in Northern NJ - bike loop Teresa Rose, 05/01/03 Biking, birdwatching , photography Undercliff Circular David Sutter, 08/02/01 hiking High Point State Park - Bike Loop 11 miles Teresa Rose, 04/24/03 Biking, hiking US Earthquakes Data Source: USGS, 04/14/00 Quaking in your boots High Points of Adirondacks - North Glenn Bock, 03/23/00 Hiking US Hot Springs Data Source: US Geological Survey, 09/17/99 Hot spring enjoyment High Points of Adirondacks - South Glenn Bock, 03/23/00 Hiking US State Highpoints Glenn Bock, 09/12/01 hiking High Points of New Hampshire Glenn Bock, 03/23/00 Hiking VanCampens Glen Loop, NJ LocalHikes.Com, 07/22/03 Hikers Highland Forest Mike Sporer, 11/06/02 Hiking Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 This makes me wonder if the localhikes.com website is an ofshoot of National Geographic. Many of the routes here seem to come from the localhikes.com website. That and localhikes.com gives away free National Geographic Adventure paper and National Geographic Topo! software. I wondered how they were able to afford to do so. There has to be some tie-in with NG. "You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm Quote Link to comment
+edscott Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Use lostoutdoors.com and go for the photograph not the topo map. Trails will often show up in great detail. I never use a GPS.. just the best maps or photos I can get. Quote Link to comment
+MidnighToker Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 I have Delorme Topo 4, and it is not that great when it comes to trails. It only has a few of the major ones marked.Sample from High Point SP Now I KNOW that there are a LOT more trails up there than that. Quote Link to comment
+Team DEMP Posted September 24, 2003 Author Share Posted September 24, 2003 Here's a LostOutdoors image of one of Brian's caches Oakland Overlook in the largest format the site will display. I'll have to look at home on the NJ Trail Map and see if it becomes obvious what in the image is a trail. Quote Link to comment
+Team DEMP Posted September 24, 2003 Author Share Posted September 24, 2003 I compared the image to the Jersey Trails map and could pin point where it is, but without knowing the area well, I can't be certain what in the picture is a trail. Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 quote: Here's a LostOutdoors image of one of Brian's caches Oakland Overlook in the largest format the site will display. Looking at that photo, I really couldn't tell where the trail was either. I could see some woods roads, the swamps and that lake (which I've had my eye on as a cache site for months now). "You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm Quote Link to comment
+Alan2 Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 quote:Originally posted by BrianSnat:This makes me wonder if the localhikes.com website is an ofshoot of National Geographic. Many of the routes here seem to come from the localhikes.com website. That and localhikes.com gives away free National Geographic Adventure paper and National Geographic Topo! software. I wondered how they were able to afford to do so. There has to be some tie-in with NG. _"You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm_ Brian: I see that localhikes.com has published some of your trails. That's great! Have you tracked them with your GPS and provided the data to NG for publishing for NG Topo for routing coordinates? Alan Quote Link to comment
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