High numbers cachers--

[Mr.Yuck]

Leapfrog is skipping every other cache while another cacher does the same. Swapping is exchanging one cache container for a different one

 

Sorry, you can see I edited my post, and you posted before I did. My question remains the same. Why would you be in possession of another cache, and leave it at the location of another and exchange it?

[Mr.Yuck]

Never mind, I'm clear now. I'm confusing 3 cache Monte with leapfrogging. What do I know, I live on the East Coast.

[+humboldt flier]

Never mind, I'm clear now. I'm confusing 3 cache Monte with leapfrogging. What do I know, I live on the East Coast.

 

That would be the one of the North Coasts

[+jellis]

Think the other question was explained above. Many power Trails especially out in the west are maintained by finders. Swapping containers when they are all the same is the norm. That is how number cachers are doing it. I'm not a fan of them and only done a few myself. I refuse to do any more mind melting power runs. I like variety and like to remember them.

[4wheelin_fool]

I'm confused here.

 

From what I understand a group of cachers, all with individual accounts, split up and each found a bunch of different caches. They all stamped the logs with a generic one size fits all signature and then everyone claims Smileys for every cache?

 

That can't be right? Surely.

 

I suppose that someone that wasn't even there could claim finds also, and if they didn't know anyone in the group it might get a little dicey. The scenario of someone who visited only 1/8th of their claimed finds, complaining about another person who didn't find any.

 

It's an odd mindset. Splitting up and doing whatever it takes at all costs to get the group name on all of the log sheets, when the next finders won't notice, and will likely shuffle the containers around and toss new ones down anyway.

Edited October 19, 2014 by 4wheelin_fool

[vagabond]

That's why I don't trust any cachers from California!

yeah specially if they are from the bay area :laughing:

[Mr.Yuck]

Think the other question was explained above. Many power Trails especially out in the west are maintained by finders. Swapping containers when they are all the same is the norm. That is how number cachers are doing it. I'm not a fan of them and only done a few myself. I refuse to do any more mind melting power runs. I like variety and like to remember them.

 

Well, we have old news here, both for the caches mentioned in the OP, and for swapping containers on power runs. I knew about the swapping of containers, I just had my terminology wrong there for a while. I, however, did not know numero uno engaged in the practice of swapping containers. And if you would have asked me before today, I would have told you he didn't.

[+jellis]

That's why I don't trust any cachers from California!

yeah specially if they are from the bay area :laughing:

Especially him

Nah he's good guy. I am hoping he will do me a BIG favor.

[+jellis]

Think the other question was explained above. Many power Trails especially out in the west are maintained by finders. Swapping containers when they are all the same is the norm. That is how number cachers are doing it. I'm not a fan of them and only done a few myself. I refuse to do any more mind melting power runs. I like variety and like to remember them.

 

Well, we have old news here, both for the caches mentioned in the OP, and for swapping containers on power runs. I knew about the swapping of containers, I just had my terminology wrong there for a while. I, however, did not know numero uno engaged in the practice of swapping containers. And if you would have asked me before today, I would have told you he didn't.

On the ET Hwy, one of the few PTs I did with him, about 90% of the cachers swapped containers during the re-opening weekend.

[Mr.Yuck]

Think the other question was explained above. Many power Trails especially out in the west are maintained by finders. Swapping containers when they are all the same is the norm. That is how number cachers are doing it. I'm not a fan of them and only done a few myself. I refuse to do any more mind melting power runs. I like variety and like to remember them.

 

Well, we have old news here, both for the caches mentioned in the OP, and for swapping containers on power runs. I knew about the swapping of containers, I just had my terminology wrong there for a while. I, however, did not know numero uno engaged in the practice of swapping containers. And if you would have asked me before today, I would have told you he didn't.

On the ET Hwy, one of the few PTs I did with him, about 90% of the cachers swapped containers during the re-opening weekend.

 

So basically, old news from the summer, an apology was made, and there's nothing to see here. Sounds good to me. I don't want to kill the thread though, someone post after me.

[+jellis]

I had fun caching Colorado. I not only cached but did some birding too. How's that ?

[knowschad]

I had fun caching Colorado. I not only cached but did some birding too. How's that ?

 

Did everyone in the group get to add the Mountain Plover to their life list?

[+jellis]

I didn't see any. I saw Broad-tail Hummers at my sisters in Falcon. Eastern Phoebe and Eastern Kingbird, Brown Thrasher and tons of Lark Bunting at the GeoArt. So I added all of them to my list. What I missed was the Scaled Quail at Chico Basin Ranch and yes the Blue Jays. Maybe next year.

[knowschad]

I didn't see any. I saw Broad-tail Hummers at my sisters in Falcon. Eastern Phoebe and Eastern Kingbird, Brown Thrasher and tons of Lark Bunting at the GeoArt. So I added all of them to my list. What I missed was the Scaled Quail at Chico Basin Ranch and yes the Blue Jays. Maybe next year.

 

Let me rephrase that, then:

 

Did everyone in the group get to add Broad-tail Hummers to their life list?

[knowschad]

Broad-tail Hummers?

[+jellis]

I didn't see any. I saw Broad-tail Hummers at my sisters in Falcon. Eastern Phoebe and Eastern Kingbird, Brown Thrasher and tons of Lark Bunting at the GeoArt. So I added all of them to my list. What I missed was the Scaled Quail at Chico Basin Ranch and yes the Blue Jays. Maybe next year.

 

Let me rephrase that, then:

 

Did everyone in the group get to add Broad-tail Hummers to their life list?

Yes Yes Yes me. Boy they are louder then are Anna's. Closest to being as loud is the Calliope

[Mr.Yuck]

I am now officially good here now, I'm not a thread killa. Swapping containers is totally lame, by the way. But I hail from an area where 150 caches along a rails to trails bike trail is a "power trail", so I don't know what's going on out there.

[+jellis]

You are lucky. It can be addicting. For me I just see them like you. LAME! Only good for numbers. Yes I have numbers but I've only done few PTs so think I can say I have gotten high numbers without having to do them. And to repeat something I already said, I enjoy creative caches, hikes and caches you can remember!

[+Bubbles&Bonkers]

Broad-tail Hummers?

 

See?? Now that's funny!!

[+wmpastor]

Broad-tailed Hummers

[+wmpastor]

Another Hummer

[+wmpastor]

Literal Hummers

[+WarNinjas]

That's why I don't trust any cachers from California!

yeah specially if they are from the bay area :laughing:

Especially him

Nah he's good guy. I am hoping he will do me a BIG favor.

Oh No! What is it?

 

As far as replacing caches on a geo-art. I can see it. My daughter and I drove a few days to do the alien head one. It would have been so disappointing to log a DNF on the series. I tried to contact the CO to ask if it was OK if one was missing to replace it. They never replied. We were lucky and all were there. But It would have been very sad for us if one was missing and we couldn't complete it as we would probably never be back.

[Mr.Yuck]

That's why I don't trust any cachers from California!

yeah specially if they are from the bay area :laughing:

Especially him

Nah he's good guy. I am hoping he will do me a BIG favor.

Oh No! What is it?

 

As far as replacing caches on a geo-art. I can see it. My daughter and I drove a few days to do the alien head one. It would have been so disappointing to log a DNF on the series. I tried to contact the CO to ask if it was OK if one was missing to replace it. They never replied. We were lucky and all were there. But It would have been very sad for us if one was missing and we couldn't complete it as we would probably never be back.

 

That's because the Alien Head has a sock puppet owner account, and emails are not monitored. Same with the ET trail. Although I don't remember the name of the two guys behind the placements, it's out there, and fairly well known. I'm sure they would have answered if contacted at their real accounts. That being said, I'm quite certain container swapping is allowed on the Alien Head.

[+CanadianRockies]

We were lucky and all were there. But It would have been very sad for us if one was missing and we couldn't complete it as we would probably never be back.

Why? I've DNFed many caches while on vacation. It doesn't bother me at all.

[+jellis]

I have holes in the WSGA where some we couldn't find or solve. The Eagle GeoArt I only have a wing.

[+K13]

I'm confused here.

 

From what I understand a group of cachers, all with individual accounts, split up and each found a bunch of different caches. They all stamped the logs with a generic one size fits all signature and then everyone claims Smileys for every cache?

 

That can't be right? Surely.

 

I suppose that someone that wasn't even there could claim finds also, and if they didn't know anyone in the group it might get a little dicey. The scenario of someone who visited only 1/8th of their claimed finds, complaining about another person who didn't find any.

 

It's an odd mindset. Splitting up and doing whatever it takes at all costs to get the group name on all of the log sheets, when the next finders won't notice, and will likely shuffle the containers around and toss new ones down anyway.

 

What is 1/8 of 106,000?

[+jellis]

Still comes out as 106K to me

[+K13]

I guess it depends on what you are counting, caches logged vs. caches actually found.

[+jellis]

Don't go there. This is off the topic.

[Mr.Yuck]

I will say that the rumored 8 way split up obviously never happened. Because if there was container swapping going on, that means people take the cache with them and sign it in the vehicle on the way to the next one. That would, you think, require at least two people.

 

I believe Mr. 106,000 is 99+% legit, and you would think they would want to be, being numero uno and all. I can't say the same for the person they passed for the title 2006 or whenever. As nice of a person as that person is and all.

[+tozainamboku]

What is 1/8 of 106,000?

Doing this kind of math is certain to put one's knickers in a figure 8.

 

I makes it difficult to discuss why leaving a generic replacement for a cache when the owner hid something other than a generic hide is not good geocaching etiquette when the puritans want to question the find counts.

 

I get it that a puritan may believe that throwdowns are motivated because they change a DNF into a smiley. I believe that even if you could convince cachers not to post a find on a throwdown they left, there would still be many throwdowns. The generic cacher believes that a find is better than a DNF. For a cacher with a high count the +1 smiley they get is not really what motivates the throwdown, rather they believe that the have made the world a little better for the next cacher so that their cache search will not be a waste of time.

 

Blaming numbers for throwdowns is a generic throwdown response that doesn't look a the real issues and problems that are caused by throwdowns. High numbers cachers tend to be generic cachers (at least in viewing each find as a generic WIGAS point) and maybe be more likely to view a missing cache as a replaceable generic. I believe that many cachers with lower numbers have similar views and believe that leaving a generic replacement for a missing cache is good. And there are plenty of high number cachers who don't view caches a generics and don't replace caches without the owner's permission. Unfortunately this generic blame has become so ingrained that even the Groundspeak lackey who wrote the help center article says that "Throwdowns are placed so the geocacher can log a find on a geocache that they couldn't find and suspect is missing"

[+CanadianRockies]

What is 1/8 of 106,000?

Doing this kind of math is certain to put one's knickers in a figure 8....

 

Blaming numbers for throwdowns is a generic throwdown response that doesn't look a the real issues and problems that are caused by throwdowns.

I'm having trouble interpreting K13's statement as blaming numbers for throwdowns. I read it as a condemnation of the practice of teams (i.e., groups of geocaching accounts) that head off in separate directions but claim finds on all the caches found by their teammates, regardless of how far away they were from those caches when their teammates found them.

 

We can quibble on what exactly constitutes a find. But I think the vast majority of geocachers draw the line at claiming a find on a cache when you were 100 miles away when it was found. That's not getting your knickers in a bunch; that's just common sense.

[+Chrysalides]

We were lucky and all were there. But It would have been very sad for us if one was missing and we couldn't complete it as we would probably never be back.

Why? I've DNFed many caches while on vacation. It doesn't bother me at all.

It doesn't bother you. It bothers him. People are different. Geoart is not my thing, but I can see why having a few empty spots in a drawing can be irksome.

 

For the record, it doesn't bother me that you DNF many caches while on vacation

Edited October 19, 2014 by Chrysalides

[+jellis]

What is 1/8 of 106,000?

Doing this kind of math is certain to put one's knickers in a figure 8....

 

Blaming numbers for throwdowns is a generic throwdown response that doesn't look a the real issues and problems that are caused by throwdowns.

I'm having trouble interpreting K13's statement as blaming numbers for throwdowns. I read it as a condemnation of the practice of teams (i.e., groups of geocaching accounts) that head off in separate directions but claim finds on all the caches found by their teammates, regardless of how far away they were from those caches when their teammates found them.

 

We can quibble on what exactly constitutes a find. But I think the vast majority of geocachers draw the line at claiming a find on a cache when you were 100 miles away when it was found. That's not getting your knickers in a bunch; that's just common sense.

If they are claiming the 106K cacher of cheating but that would mean that the other 7 also cheated so you should say that too. That would also be expensive since these cachers are from California and each would have to rent a a separate vehicle + gas.

[+NYPaddleCacher]

What is 1/8 of 106,000?

Doing this kind of math is certain to put one's knickers in a figure 8....

 

Blaming numbers for throwdowns is a generic throwdown response that doesn't look a the real issues and problems that are caused by throwdowns.

I'm having trouble interpreting K13's statement as blaming numbers for throwdowns. I read it as a condemnation of the practice of teams (i.e., groups of geocaching accounts) that head off in separate directions but claim finds on all the caches found by their teammates, regardless of how far away they were from those caches when their teammates found them.

 

We can quibble on what exactly constitutes a find. But I think the vast majority of geocachers draw the line at claiming a find on a cache when you were 100 miles away when it was found. That's not getting your knickers in a bunch; that's just common sense.

If they are claiming the 106K cacher of cheating but that would mean that the other 7 also cheated so you should say that too. That would also be expensive since these cachers are from California and each would have to rent a a separate vehicle + gas.

 

You really seem to bending over backwards to defend these cachers (or at least one of them). Since you've also chastised someone for being off topic how about getting back on topic and get back to discussing the behavior rather than a specific group of cachers. I suppose container swapping, leap frogging, and teemed splitting are deemed acceptable for large power trails, but I just can't see how any of them are acceptable on a small series of caches that are not part of a PT.

 

 

[+jellis]

What is 1/8 of 106,000?

Doing this kind of math is certain to put one's knickers in a figure 8....

 

Blaming numbers for throwdowns is a generic throwdown response that doesn't look a the real issues and problems that are caused by throwdowns.

I'm having trouble interpreting K13's statement as blaming numbers for throwdowns. I read it as a condemnation of the practice of teams (i.e., groups of geocaching accounts) that head off in separate directions but claim finds on all the caches found by their teammates, regardless of how far away they were from those caches when their teammates found them.

 

We can quibble on what exactly constitutes a find. But I think the vast majority of geocachers draw the line at claiming a find on a cache when you were 100 miles away when it was found. That's not getting your knickers in a bunch; that's just common sense.

If they are claiming the 106K cacher of cheating but that would mean that the other 7 also cheated so you should say that too. That would also be expensive since these cachers are from California and each would have to rent a a separate vehicle + gas.

 

You really seem to bending over backwards to defend these cachers (or at least one of them). Since you've also chastised someone for being off topic how about getting back on topic and get back to discussing the behavior rather than a specific group of cachers. I suppose container swapping, leap frogging, and teemed splitting are deemed acceptable for large power trails, but I just can't see how any of them are acceptable on a small series of caches that are not part of a PT.

Don't think that was the topic either. It was about the Memory Lane caches, and that the topic ended until someone else brought up splitting up. I would defend all of my friends not just one of them. Though sometimes I don't think they would do the same for me.

[Mr.Yuck]

Eh, I think I'm most responsible for bringing up 106K guy. I guess I sometimes feel the need to defend him. The 8 way splitting up allegation was indeed brought up by the OP, considered to be a rumor. Which I consider to be a ridiculous one. I certainly don't condone leapfrogging or container swapping. Not that that happens east of say Kansas, or anywhere else in the world, for that matter.

[+Gill & Tony]

I'm confused here.

 

From what I understand a group of cachers, all with individual accounts, split up and each found a bunch of different caches. They all stamped the logs with a generic one size fits all signature and then everyone claims Smileys for every cache?

 

That can't be right? Surely.

 

No proof if they did. And I don't see anyone saying anything about the FTFs on the Eagle GeoArt. A group of well known cachers and I saw one set of footprints

 

It might be possible to get some pretty convincing evidence using GSAK to create a Google Earth route for one of the cacher's finds. If the route is all over the place then it would be obvious that they didn't actually do what they have claimed. Whether it is worth doing though....

 

It doesn't directly affect me - I'll never have that sort of cache collection - but I must confess I would make it very clear on my caches that only individual signatures are acceptable and logs without a corresponding signature will be deleted.

 

I know everyone caches in their own way, but claiming finds for caches you haven't even been near seems beyond the pale.

 

Mind you, my son is off to Japan next year, maybe he and I could form a group...

[+jellis]

I'm confused here.

 

From what I understand a group of cachers, all with individual accounts, split up and each found a bunch of different caches. They all stamped the logs with a generic one size fits all signature and then everyone claims Smileys for every cache?

 

That can't be right? Surely.

 

No proof if they did. And I don't see anyone saying anything about the FTFs on the Eagle GeoArt. A group of well known cachers and I saw one set of footprints

 

It might be possible to get some pretty convincing evidence using GSAK to create a Google Earth route for one of the cacher's finds. If the route is all over the place then it would be obvious that they didn't actually do what they have claimed. Whether it is worth doing though....

 

It doesn't directly affect me - I'll never have that sort of cache collection - but I must confess I would make it very clear on my caches that only individual signatures are acceptable and logs without a corresponding signature will be deleted.

 

I know everyone caches in their own way, but claiming finds for caches you haven't even been near seems beyond the pale.

 

Mind you, my son is off to Japan next year, maybe he and I could form a group...

Guess you haven't gone caching with large group of cachers and find a group stamp faster, easier and takes up less space on the logsheet

[+fizzymagic]

From what I understand a group of cachers, all with individual accounts, split up and each found a bunch of different caches. They all stamped the logs with a generic one size fits all signature and then everyone claims Smileys for every cache?

 

That can't be right? Surely.

 

It's almost certainly not right. It's just a slanderous statement made with no evidence in a forum where the people in question are not active and cannot defend themselves.

 

I have known Alamogul since 2002, and I cached with him several times during the early days. I don't have the same caching style as he does, and there are some things he does in his caching that I don't like (thowdowns and three-cache monte, for example). And I don't approve of his group having messed up a series, as described by the OP here, although from what I understand they apologized and made up.

 

But I have never, ever seen any evidence that he does not visit the location of every cache he logs. Such an accusation is quite serious and would require some convincing evidence in order for me to even consider it. Unless somebody presents some evidence, you should take the claim for what it is: random unfounded slander.

[+niraD]

Don't think that was the topic either. It was about the Memory Lane caches

I think the topic is broader than just the Memory Lane caches. I think the topic includes (per the OP) "this behavior", which I take to mean the practice of vandalizing caches by inflicting the three cache monte on cache owners who do not consent to having their caches/logs swapped indiscriminately.

[+Gill & Tony]

Guess you haven't gone caching with large group of cachers and find a group stamp faster, easier and takes up less space on the logsheet

No. Every time I've been with a large group we have all signed the log. Usually individually but sometimes with a smaller group one has signed each name while the others are looking at the cache contents. Doesn't take long and surely the space taken by a dozen signatures isn't wasted. That's what it is there for.

 

The problem with Group Stamps is that they are so open to abuse. If, for example, multiple copies are being used simultaneously miles away from each other. Yes, a split group could all sign for each other but that would take more time.

[Mr.Yuck]

Don't think that was the topic either. It was about the Memory Lane caches

I think the topic is broader than just the Memory Lane caches. I think the topic includes (per the OP) "this behavior", which I take to mean the practice of vandalizing caches by inflicting the three cache monte on cache owners who do not consent to having their caches/logs swapped indiscriminately.

 

Yeah, it is about the memory lane caches, which is only like an 8 or 10 cache series with clues to a final. Which the owner did place in a power trail fashion, in an area filled with power trails.

 

One cannot deny that container swapping is a horrifically lame practice. And it can cause issues, and did in this case.

[+jellis]

This is how high numbers are made by not taking the time for 8 people to sign and abuse can still be made by forging the names so having a stamp is still not the problem.

Edited October 20, 2014 by jellis

[+Gill & Tony]

From what I understand a group of cachers, all with individual accounts, split up and each found a bunch of different caches. They all stamped the logs with a generic one size fits all signature and then everyone claims Smileys for every cache?

 

That can't be right? Surely.

 

It's almost certainly not right. It's just a slanderous statement made with no evidence in a forum where the people in question are not active and cannot defend themselves.

 

I have known Alamogul since 2002, and I cached with him several times during the early days. I don't have the same caching style as he does, and there are some things he does in his caching that I don't like (thowdowns and three-cache monte, for example). And I don't approve of his group having messed up a series, as described by the OP here, although from what I understand they apologized and made up.

 

But I have never, ever seen any evidence that he does not visit the location of every cache he logs. Such an accusation is quite serious and would require some convincing evidence in order for me to even consider it. Unless somebody presents some evidence, you should take the claim for what it is: random unfounded slander.

 

Point taken.

 

I've never previously heard of this type of behaviour and didn't realise that the people mentioned in the OP were so well known and easily identifiable. If my question offended anyone I apologise.

 

Given that there have been questions in these forums (in the Found It = Didn't Find it thread for example) as to whether it is correct to log a find when your friend climbed a tree to retrieve the cache, I was staggered that the possibility that splitting up should even be considered.

 

I'm new to the game (2012) and come from an area where a power trail is 10 caches along a railway line. The first time I heard of someone who had found 200 caches in a day I was staggered.

 

Anyway, I shall withdraw from this thread in order not to offend again

 

Cheers

 

Tony

[+jellis]

From what I understand a group of cachers, all with individual accounts, split up and each found a bunch of different caches. They all stamped the logs with a generic one size fits all signature and then everyone claims Smileys for every cache?

 

That can't be right? Surely.

 

It's almost certainly not right. It's just a slanderous statement made with no evidence in a forum where the people in question are not active and cannot defend themselves.

 

I have known Alamogul since 2002, and I cached with him several times during the early days. I don't have the same caching style as he does, and there are some things he does in his caching that I don't like (thowdowns and three-cache monte, for example). And I don't approve of his group having messed up a series, as described by the OP here, although from what I understand they apologized and made up.

 

But I have never, ever seen any evidence that he does not visit the location of every cache he logs. Such an accusation is quite serious and would require some convincing evidence in order for me to even consider it. Unless somebody presents some evidence, you should take the claim for what it is: random unfounded slander.

 

Point taken.

 

I've never previously heard of this type of behaviour and didn't realise that the people mentioned in the OP were so well known and easily identifiable. If my question offended anyone I apologise.

 

Given that there have been questions in these forums (in the Found It = Didn't Find it thread for example) as to whether it is correct to log a find when your friend climbed a tree to retrieve the cache, I was staggered that the possibility that splitting up should even be considered.

 

I'm new to the game (2012) and come from an area where a power trail is 10 caches along a railway line. The first time I heard of someone who had found 200 caches in a day I was staggered.

 

Anyway, I shall withdraw from this thread in order not to offend again

 

Cheers

 

Tony

Can't always believe what you read without proof.

I have gotten a fear of heights and having someone throw down the logsheet so I can sign is not a problem for me. Having someone solo looking up at a cache in a tree, say they saw it and log it as a find would be problem, but then it is up to the CO. There are many tree caches I can't log because I didn't climb the tree.

[4wheelin_fool]

From what I understand a group of cachers, all with individual accounts, split up and each found a bunch of different caches. They all stamped the logs with a generic one size fits all signature and then everyone claims Smileys for every cache?

 

That can't be right? Surely.

 

It's almost certainly not right. It's just a slanderous statement made with no evidence in a forum where the people in question are not active and cannot defend themselves.

 

I have known Alamogul since 2002, and I cached with him several times during the early days. I don't have the same caching style as he does, and there are some things he does in his caching that I don't like (thowdowns and three-cache monte, for example). And I don't approve of his group having messed up a series, as described by the OP here, although from what I understand they apologized and made up.

 

But I have never, ever seen any evidence that he does not visit the location of every cache he logs. Such an accusation is quite serious and would require some convincing evidence in order for me to even consider it. Unless somebody presents some evidence, you should take the claim for what it is: random unfounded slander.

 

Point taken.

 

I've never previously heard of this type of behaviour and didn't realise that the people mentioned in the OP were so well known and easily identifiable. If my question offended anyone I apologise.

 

Given that there have been questions in these forums (in the Found It = Didn't Find it thread for example) as to whether it is correct to log a find when your friend climbed a tree to retrieve the cache, I was staggered that the possibility that splitting up should even be considered.

 

I'm new to the game (2012) and come from an area where a power trail is 10 caches along a railway line. The first time I heard of someone who had found 200 caches in a day I was staggered.

 

Anyway, I shall withdraw from this thread in order not to offend again

 

Cheers

 

Tony

 

I don't know how slanderous it could be, but rather libelous. Don't know how libelous it could be either, as it's not a serious accusation of derogatory behavior as the practice is very common. Leaving throwdowns as litter is more serious of a charge, but probably ranks up there with publicly accusing someone of wearing a silly looking hat, or owning a ugly cat. Since there is no "winner", the find count is not important, nor either is it relevant how someone obtained it, as there can be no cheating by definition. Although there are those that take the game much too seriously, that only indicates an unhealthy obsession on their part and should not affect the definition of what it really is, which is only a game.

[+jellis]

From what I understand a group of cachers, all with individual accounts, split up and each found a bunch of different caches. They all stamped the logs with a generic one size fits all signature and then everyone claims Smileys for every cache?

 

That can't be right? Surely.

 

It's almost certainly not right. It's just a slanderous statement made with no evidence in a forum where the people in question are not active and cannot defend themselves.

 

I have known Alamogul since 2002, and I cached with him several times during the early days. I don't have the same caching style as he does, and there are some things he does in his caching that I don't like (thowdowns and three-cache monte, for example). And I don't approve of his group having messed up a series, as described by the OP here, although from what I understand they apologized and made up.

 

But I have never, ever seen any evidence that he does not visit the location of every cache he logs. Such an accusation is quite serious and would require some convincing evidence in order for me to even consider it. Unless somebody presents some evidence, you should take the claim for what it is: random unfounded slander.

 

Point taken.

 

I've never previously heard of this type of behaviour and didn't realise that the people mentioned in the OP were so well known and easily identifiable. If my question offended anyone I apologise.

 

Given that there have been questions in these forums (in the Found It = Didn't Find it thread for example) as to whether it is correct to log a find when your friend climbed a tree to retrieve the cache, I was staggered that the possibility that splitting up should even be considered.

 

I'm new to the game (2012) and come from an area where a power trail is 10 caches along a railway line. The first time I heard of someone who had found 200 caches in a day I was staggered.

 

Anyway, I shall withdraw from this thread in order not to offend again

 

Cheers

 

Tony

 

I don't know how slanderous it could be, but rather libelous. Don't know how libelous it could be either, as it's not a serious accusation of derogatory behavior as the practice is very common. Leaving throwdowns as litter is more serious of a charge, but probably ranks up there with publicly accusing someone of wearing a silly looking hat, or owning a ugly cat. Since there is no "winner", the find count is not important, nor either is it relevant how someone obtained it, as there can be no cheating by definition. Although there are those that take the game much too seriously, that only indicates an unhealthy obsession on their part and should not affect the definition of what it really is, which is only a game.

+1 just a game

[+WarNinjas]

We were lucky and all were there. But It would have been very sad for us if one was missing and we couldn't complete it as we would probably never be back.

Why? I've DNFed many caches while on vacation. It doesn't bother me at all.

Only because we drove all that way to do the alien geoart. I am sure we DNF other caches along the way and those were no big deal but wanted to complete the art for a challenge.