+Buschnut and Jaden Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I need some help. My wife and I were out caching durning our last vacation in Minnesota. We were out by St. Anthony Heritage Trail (GCP1ZA). While I was looking for the cache I was stung by several Hornets (Bees or Wasps) and couldn't grab the hide to sign the log. I figured it would be smarter to get away from the area. So I signed the log like this "Took a little to find it. Couldn't sign log I was attacker by wasp like insects. Stung like ten times". I figured I would post the fact that I didn't sign the log because of the Hornets (or what ever they were) to warn other geocachers. The owner of the cache as emailed me several times demanding I prove that I was there by describing the cache to him. Here is a copy of the last email to me. Next time don’t admit publicly that you didn’t sign a cache log. You know, from the terms and conditions that you agreed to abide by on geocaching.com, that signing your name on the paper log is a requirement for logging a find online. If that notion bothers you, then perhaps geocaching isn’t the right hobby. If you’ve got no problem with that, then satisfying my request to prove you were there in order to let your find stand shouldn’t be a bother to you. Besides, this “Dark camo hidden up under a ledge of rocks close to the river” is hardly doing your best at describing the cache. I could have come up with that by just reading the last 5 Found It logs. Where were the bees so some bee eradication can take place? How do I report this to Groundspeak or Geocaching.com? Thanks Buschnut and Jaden (aka. Chris and Laura) Quote Link to comment
+cerberus1 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) I agree the CO's log wasn't too PC, but you didn't sign the log... He could have just deleted your log and done. Bee eradication? Really? What would you report to Groundspeak? Bees in the area? Edited September 10, 2014 by cerberus1 Quote Link to comment
+Buschnut and Jaden Posted September 10, 2014 Author Share Posted September 10, 2014 I agree I didn't sign the log. But when you can't get to the log to sign it what would you do? The terms of agreement talk that we will sign the log and I don't have a problem with that. The terms also say that Section D You agree not to: Promote physical harm or injury against any group or individual or property damage. Quote Link to comment
+cerberus1 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Groundspeak's Help Center. Quote Link to comment
+cerberus1 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Odd how you breezed right past A which reads, "Inherent Risks. Geocaching and other location-based activities facilitated by our services (e.g. Waymarking and Wherigo) can be dangerous and may take you to difficult to access or potentially treacherous locations. When hiding or seeking geocaches or taking part in other location-based activities, you risk property damage, bodily injury or death. There are many variables that must be considered prior to seeking or placing a geocache or engaging in other location-based activities, including: weather, fitness level, terrain features and outdoor experience. Be prepared and be sure to check the current conditions before heading outdoors. Always exercise common sense and caution. You assume all risks associated with hiding or seeking a geocache and other location-based activities associated with our services and agree to release and hold harmless Groundspeak, landowners on whose property geocaches are located, and community members who serve as reviewers, translators and forum moderators/administrators from any liability for injury or loss suffered by you through the use of our services to the fullest extent permitted by applicable law. Quote Link to comment
+Panther&Pine Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Change it to a note then log a needs maintence for the bees. Or just ignore an move on. Quote Link to comment
+cerberus1 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I agree I didn't sign the log. But when you can't get to the log to sign it what would you do? Write note or DNF. I have 329 DNFs now. Quote Link to comment
+Panther&Pine Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 If the emails are of a harassing manner, stop reposponding to them and let ground speak know that they are misusing the email. Quote Link to comment
+derektiffany Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I agree I didn't sign the log. But when you can't get to the log to sign it what would you do?I'd log a DNF (Did Not Find). Didn't sign log = DNF (to me). Then I'd post a NM (Needs Maintenance) if I felt it was warranted. Quote Link to comment
+Buschnut and Jaden Posted September 11, 2014 Author Share Posted September 11, 2014 I agree, I DNF the log. Also wrote this. I believe I found the cache but couldn't sign log because I was attacker by wasp like insects. Stung like ten times. I decieded it wasn't worth the pain to stay in the area. Just be careful when looking for this one. Not worth the rise in blood pressure. Quote Link to comment
+Harry Dolphin Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I agree I didn't sign the log. But when you can't get to the log to sign it what would you do?I'd log a DNF (Did Not Find). Didn't sign log = DNF (to me). Then I'd post a NM (Needs Maintenance) if I felt it was warranted. Yup! That's a DNF in my book! I did not, could not sign the log = DNF. Quote Link to comment
+The Fat Cats Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Sadly, people forget this is supposed to be fun, as is evidenced by the CO's response. As a CO, I would never require someone to 'prove' anything. For Pete's sake, it's just a geocache! If someone was deliberately logging false finds regularly, then I'd probably just delete their logs and move on. Problem solved. My hay-penny's worth... Quote Link to comment
+Manville Possum Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 You wait out the bees, they belong there, you don't. I use this disclaimer on my outdoor caches: "DISCLAIMER: Cache owner does not in any manner direct or indirect endorse or otherwise promote rash or dangerous behavior. The juxtaposition of certain unforeseen events over the course of a "cache hunt" are not the responsibility of said cache owner. Furthermore, natural events and/or the presence of natural inhabitants cannot be predicted with any regularity. Cache hunters are responsible for discerning conditions and acting appropriately. Cache owner is not responsible for any injury of any type that could possibly occur as a result of the cache hunt. In short, cache at your own risk." Quote Link to comment
MoonPie Mafia Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I agree I didn't sign the log. But when you can't get to the log to sign it what would you do? Log a DNF because I did not sign the log. Quote Link to comment
+Chief301 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Sadly, people forget this is supposed to be fun, as is evidenced by the CO's response. As a CO, I would never require someone to 'prove' anything. For Pete's sake, it's just a geocache! If someone was deliberately logging false finds regularly, then I'd probably just delete their logs and move on. Problem solved. My hay-penny's worth... That's my view on it....I think the CO is being unreasonable in this case. It's just a game after all, it's supposed to be fun. I would let the log stand and thank the finder for alerting me to the problem, so that I could either address it myself or disable the cache until the wasps went away. However, if the CO insists on being unreasonable, there's not much you can do. The "letter of the law" is that the CO has the right to delete any finds where the log was not signed. Just move on and ignore the rest of that CO's caches if he bothers you that much. There's plenty more caches out there. Quote Link to comment
+boysnbarrie Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 As someone who is allergic to bees, I can sympathize with this issue. I've been to several geocache locations where bees were active, and I had to walk away without a smiley. The good news is ... bees are less active when the temps are colder. If I can't get within 10 ft of GZ, I'd submit a Write Note log, because I wasn't really able to look for the hide. Then I'd return at another time, when the bees aren't there. Quote Link to comment
+dprovan Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 It sounds like the consensus is DNF, and I agree with that. You don't have to find every one, so you really shouldn't sweat the fact that you couldn't sign the log on this one. Not signing the log means you didn't actually find it, in the technical sense of "find". It's easy to get confused about that point and forget that the fun is in the search, not in the counting of "victories". Your DNF should make clear about the insect problem. If you think the insect problem is chronic rather than just a random event that only happened to you, you should post a Need Maintenance, too, making clear why you think this problem will happen to other seekers. If the CO was snarky, that's an unrelated issue. It actually sounds like he was being nice, at least at first, giving you some leeway by accepting a description of the cache in lieu of you being able to sign the log. It's hard to parse your post, but from "Where were the bees so some bee eradication can take place?", it sounds like he's asking you for help in dealing with the problem, right? On the other hand, don't listen to him about lying publicly to avoid consequences. You didn't sign the log. No shame in that, so there's no problem admitting it. You just also have to admit that makes it a DNF. It would still be a DNF even if you followed the CO's advice and lied about signing the log and claimed the find, anyway. Quote Link to comment
+L0ne.R Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I agree, I DNF the log. Also wrote this. I believe I found the cache but couldn't sign log because I was attacker by wasp like insects. Stung like ten times. I decieded it wasn't worth the pain to stay in the area. Just be careful when looking for this one. Not worth the rise in blood pressure. Sorry about the stings. I can relate. I was swarmed by wasps last Saturday while just about 5 meters from the cache. Luckily got only 2 stings out of that ordeal - but they're big red itchy marks right now. Extremely un-fun experience. I posted a note to warn others. But one lesson learned from this experience - never admit that you didn't sign the log. If I have the cache in hand and forgot a pencil I'll try writing with dirt or a leaf or a twig, but occasionally I only take a photo. Actually, taking a photo of the cache (if you managed it before you got swarmed) might have sufficed, for some cache owners (this one sounds like a stickler though). Quote Link to comment
+NeverSummer Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Change it to a note then log a needs maintence for the bees. Or just ignore an move on. Let me fix this one for ya Change it to a note then log a needs maintence for the bees. Or and just ignore it and move on. Quote Link to comment
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