antigeocaching

[paradox2012]

I'll just leave this here

http://antigeocaching.livejournal.com/

[+The A-Team]

I'll just leave this here

Why? This is just a nut (Russian, judging by much of the text. Is this your site?) who's collected a bunch of geocaching-related stories and put them together on one site. Some of them don't even show anything negative about geocaching, and some are out-of-date (the BC Ministry of Transportation ban was lifted a couple of years ago).

 

The more I think about it, this post might just be a big can of spam...

[+narcissa]

Yeah, seems like someone just trying to drive traffic to his Livejournal. Is it 2003?

[+cerberus1]

I'll just leave this here

How 'bout you don't...

[+giddeanx]

I'll just leave this here

How 'bout you don't...

To rich in Cyrillic for me.

[+hydnsek]

One could collect a similar set of anecdotes about any activity - bicycling, boating, climbing, etc.

[4wheelin_fool]

One could collect a similar set of anecdotes about any activity - bicycling, boating, climbing, etc.

 

Ninety percent of bikers are well mannered riders most of the time, even if they ignore stop signs and such, as they usually do it safely. Then there is that 10% that rides alongside someone, instead of single file, blocking the road. Cars will back up behind them somewhere where its unsafe to pass, and the roadway speed will be suddenly reduced to 15mph for everyone. And it's never people in street clothes riding ordinary bikes, but always someone in a skintight outfit on a thousand dollar bike, looking for attention, or conflict.

 

Boating is a enjoyable activity, but often many boaters are intoxicated. The frequency of encountering someone drunk while boating, versus a car, is often double or more, as it is a recreational activity. Its not fun padding along on kayak, only to have a larger boat of intoxicated people go by yelling and screaming, while kicking up a giant wake.

 

Ive been climbing many times and most climbers share routes and are very safe, as well as conscientious about leaving garbage behind. Professional climbers however are a little different. On Mt Everest or K2 if they come across another climber who is injured, they often ignore them and leave them to die. Their achievement is much too great to abandon for someone else's life. Yeah, there are negatives in every sport if you look hard enough.

[+RocTheCacheBox]

One could collect a similar set of anecdotes about any activity - bicycling, boating, climbing, etc.

 

Ninety percent of bikers are well mannered riders most of the time, even if they ignore stop signs and such, as they usually do it safely. Then there is that 10% that rides alongside someone, instead of single file, blocking the road. Cars will back up behind them somewhere where its unsafe to pass, and the roadway speed will be suddenly reduced to 15mph for everyone. And it's never people in street clothes riding ordinary bikes, but always someone in a skintight outfit on a thousand dollar bike, looking for attention, or conflict.

 

Boating is a enjoyable activity, but often many boaters are intoxicated. The frequency of encountering someone drunk while boating, versus a car, is often double or more, as it is a recreational activity. Its not fun padding along on kayak, only to have a larger boat of intoxicated people go by yelling and screaming, while kicking up a giant wake.

 

Ive been climbing many times and most climbers share routes and are very safe, as well as conscientious about leaving garbage behind. Professional climbers however are a little different. On Mt Everest or K2 if they come across another climber who is injured, they often ignore them and leave them to die. Their achievement is much too great to abandon for someone else's life. Yeah, there are negatives in every sport if you look hard enough.

 

Not to hijack the thread but I got to call you out on one line of that. The “Their achievement is much too great to abandon for someone else's life” line is a common misconception and just plain bunk.

 

Bringing down a disabled climber from high altitude, especially above the death zone where the majority of those cases happen, if foolhardy and severely threatens the life of those that attempt to do so. Above the death zone (26,000 feet) its a struggle to move yourself let alone another person, People have been brought down (such as Beck Weathers) but those instances are few and far between. High altitude climbing is a tough adventure and those that do it know and accept the risk. It may be a negative, and hard to understand, but it isn’t a case of the achievement being of more value than human life.

That being said there are way too many “tourists” on Everest and that should be halted.

[4wheelin_fool]

That is true, but not in all cases. There are some instances where they could help and do not.

[+Corfman Clan]

One could collect a similar set of anecdotes about any activity - bicycling, boating, climbing, etc.

 

Ninety percent of bikers are well mannered riders most of the time, even if they ignore stop signs and such, as they usually do it safely. Then there is that 10% that rides alongside someone, instead of single file, blocking the road. Cars will back up behind them somewhere where its unsafe to pass, and the roadway speed will be suddenly reduced to 15mph for everyone. And it's never people in street clothes riding ordinary bikes, but always someone in a skintight outfit on a thousand dollar bike, looking for attention, or conflict.

Bikers ride motorcycles. Cyclists ride bicycles. If you don't know the difference, then perhaps you shouldn't make such comments. But perhaps that is the point.

Edited July 11, 2014 by Corfman Clan

[+lamoracke]

 

Not to hijack the thread but I got to call you out on one line of that. The “Their achievement is much too great to abandon for someone else's life” line is a common misconception and just plain bunk.

 

Bringing down a disabled climber from high altitude, especially above the death zone where the majority of those cases happen, if foolhardy and severely threatens the life of those that attempt to do so. Above the death zone (26,000 feet) its a struggle to move yourself let alone another person, People have been brought down (such as Beck Weathers) but those instances are few and far between. High altitude climbing is a tough adventure and those that do it know and accept the risk. It may be a negative, and hard to understand, but it isn’t a case of the achievement being of more value than human life.

That being said there are way too many “tourists” on Everest and that should be halted.

 

For what its worth, I remember reading "Into Thin Air", I thought Beck Weathers somehow made it down himself, after that Russian guide chipped away some ice off their group and then he took down that one woman reporter lady who he thought had the best chance to survive and who knows, maybe because she was the lightest. Your overall points, at least on places like Everest, are probably true.

Edited July 11, 2014 by lamoracke

[4wheelin_fool]

One could collect a similar set of anecdotes about any activity - bicycling, boating, climbing, etc.

 

Ninety percent of bikers are well mannered riders most of the time, even if they ignore stop signs and such, as they usually do it safely. Then there is that 10% that rides alongside someone, instead of single file, blocking the road. Cars will back up behind them somewhere where its unsafe to pass, and the roadway speed will be suddenly reduced to 15mph for everyone. And it's never people in street clothes riding ordinary bikes, but always someone in a skintight outfit on a thousand dollar bike, looking for attention, or conflict.

Bikers ride motorcycles. Cyclists ride bicycles. If you don't know the difference, then perhaps you shouldn't make such comments. But perhaps that is the point.

 

"Bikers" ride bicycles as well as motorcycles around here, if you have a problem with that then...

Edited July 11, 2014 by 4wheelin_fool

[+wmpastor]

One could collect a similar set of anecdotes about any activity - bicycling, boating, climbing, etc.

 

Ninety percent of bikers are well mannered riders most of the time, even if they ignore stop signs and such, as they usually do it safely. Then there is that 10% that rides alongside someone, instead of single file, blocking the road. Cars will back up behind them somewhere where its unsafe to pass, and the roadway speed will be suddenly reduced to 15mph for everyone. And it's never people in street clothes riding ordinary bikes, but always someone in a skintight outfit on a thousand dollar bike, looking for attention, or conflict.

Bikers ride motorcycles. Cyclists ride bicycles. If you don't know the difference, then perhaps you shouldn't make such comments. But perhaps that is the point.

"Bikers" ride bicycles as well as motorcycles around here, if you have a problem with that then...

 

 

I wonder how these subtleties translate into Czech with Google Translate for our Czech friends?

[+PaintingLoft]

Maybe the police should learn what geocaching is and familiarize themselves with the local caches to save us tax payers a ton of money. Jogger sees suspicious behavior near bridge? Ok, I'll check the app. Problem Solved. Millions saved.

[+The A-Team]

Maybe the police should learn what geocaching is and familiarize themselves with the local caches to save us tax payers a ton of money. Jogger sees suspicious behavior near bridge? Ok, I'll check the app. Problem Solved. Millions saved.

Many police forces are aware of geocaching. That isn't the problem. Even if the police know that there's a cache where someone is reporting suspicious behaviour, they'll still have to check it out. A geocache doesn't make a spot crime-free. The suspicious behaviour could be a geocacher, or it could really be a criminal. They won't know until they check. The same goes for bomb scares. The only way to be really sure that something isn't a bomb is to destroy it. Any other method makes assumptions which could put people at danger. Can you imagine the fallout if a bomb disposal unit left a container in place, assuming it was a geocache, and it later blew up and killed someone? They have to cover their butts.

[+wmpastor]

I'll just leave this here

Why? This is just a nut (Russian, judging by much of the text. Is this your site?) who's collected a bunch of geocaching-related stories and put them together on one site. Some of them don't even show anything negative about geocaching, and some are out-of-date (the BC Ministry of Transportation ban was lifted a couple of years ago).

 

The more I think about it, this post might just be a big can of spam...

Right. Before regulating geocaching any more, they better outlaw the truly dangerous activities like boxing & football!

[+Harry Dolphin]

 

Ninety percent of bikers are well mannered riders most of the time, even if they ignore stop signs and such, as they usually do it safely. Then there is that 10% that rides alongside someone, instead of single file, blocking the road. Cars will back up behind them somewhere where its unsafe to pass, and the roadway speed will be suddenly reduced to 15mph for everyone. And it's never people in street clothes riding ordinary bikes, but always someone in a skintight outfit on a thousand dollar bike, looking for attention, or conflict.

 

Ah. Hmm. When I was a kid, riding a bike (okay, middle of the last century) we were taught that cyclists had to obey all the traffic regulations. Stop for red lights, for example. In modern America, there is an entitlement problem. "Laws do no apply to me." That seems very common with bicyclists, these days. Crossing Riverside Drive, in NYC (for example), we waited for the light. And almost got taken out by bicyclists who ignored the red light, and us! I see this frequently. I do drive some popular bicycling routes. Sorry. You are required to stop for a red light!

Of course, entitlement is common among auto drivers as well. I am still astounded by the number of drivers who make the right exit from the left lane... Modern America. Entitlement.

[Keystone]

A discussion of bicycle (or motorcycle) etiquette would be a good thread for the off topic forum. The original point having been made, let's wrap up that side tangent. Thanks.

[+The_Incredibles_]

Maybe the police should learn what geocaching is and familiarize themselves with the local caches to save us tax payers a ton of money. Jogger sees suspicious behavior near bridge? Ok, I'll check the app. Problem Solved. Millions saved.

Many police forces are aware of geocaching. That isn't the problem. Even if the police know that there's a cache where someone is reporting suspicious behaviour, they'll still have to check it out. A geocache doesn't make a spot crime-free. The suspicious behaviour could be a geocacher, or it could really be a criminal. They won't know until they check. The same goes for bomb scares. The only way to be really sure that something isn't a bomb is to destroy it. Any other method makes assumptions which could put people at danger. Can you imagine the fallout if a bomb disposal unit left a container in place, assuming it was a geocache, and it later blew up and killed someone? They have to cover their butts.

 

Or they could do it the Canadian way and call off the bomb squad because an anonymous caller phones and says it's OK, it's a cache.

[+Bigmada]

livejournal???

[+narcissa]

livejournal???

+100

[+tozainamboku]

livejournal???

+100

More proof gecocaching has changed. I remember the battle between Geocaching.com and LiveJournal over the People's Choice Webby awards

http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=49839

[+SwineFlew]

For every 1 anti geocacher, there are 50 geocachers.

 

Nothing here.

[Mr.Yuck]

livejournal???

 

What? MySpace called. They want their status as the most irrelevant formerly relevant website on the internet back.

 

By the way, not that anyone noticed, but methinks this thread is another one of those cases of the owner of a particular webpage attempting to pimp their own webpage. Like we're supposed to think it's some guy who just stumbled on it or something.

[+-CJ-]

1. For those that laugh at LiveJournal I suggest doing a quick search through social media and blogging platforms throughout the world. You will see that the situation is not the same in different countries. In particular, in Russia the audience of Facebook is much smaller than that of the local social network called VKontakte. As for Livejournal, this is one of the most popular blogging communities in our country.

 

2. Regarding the first topic - the guy is known around here as one who has destroyed geocaches and published numerous offensive messages against geocachers in logs and forums. He is desperately seeking public attention for himself by worst examples of human behaviour that you can imagine within our game. Don't feed him.

 

3. In the quoted blog (in Russian mostly) the guy (in particular) boasts how he stole a geocache recently.

 

I kindly ask moderators of this forum to remove this thread completely.

[Keystone]

I'm going to trust -CJ- on this one and close the thread.

 

Topics are rarely deleted, with the exception of spam threads, threads promoting competing activities, duplicates, etc. If I deleted a thread linking to material critical of Geocaching.com, then someone would start a thread about how the moderators sweep negative threads under the carpet. There was nothing in the English language portion of the LiveJournal site that hasn't already been discussed here.