+catrim Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 Hi all, I tried finding a multi today, it put me right off them to be honest. I have only found a few multis, I feel they aren't worth the effort. By this, I mean that: They take extra time to find They don't offer anything new They end up just being another nano or film canister Some are too ambiguous with the clues Now if they were leading somewhere like a great area, or led to a great, unique cache then fine, but in my experience that isn't the case Does anyone else struggle to see the point? I have found caches that are great to find, like nice containers or nice camo that are standard, traditional caches, so why send me to a location just to get new co ords? I do see the point of a multi like " go here to get a tool, to use on cache which is here" type that I have seen on YouTube but nope, that doesn't reflect caches in my area! I guess I should just filter them out from now on and stop griping! When I create my caches, rest assured there won't be a multi in sight. Quote
+T.D.M.22 Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 This must be the third time I said this today- you don't have to find every cache. So if here's something you don't like don't find it. That being said, is a multi for the sake of a multi any different than a traditional for the sake of a traditional? Quote
+Walts Hunting Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 If you don't like them then don't do them. The great thing about this hobby is you can taylor it to what your likes/dislikes are. Personally I love most of them. These kind of statements remind me of the old joke about the man who goes to a doctor and says "It hurts when I do this." The doctor replies "Stop doing that." Pretty simple solution or you could try my signature before hunting. Makes things way more interesting. Quote
+NanCycle Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 It is my understanding that multis and puzzles won't show up on the Intro apps. That is why any cache I hide from now on will be a multi or a puzzle. Maybe even a PMO also. Quote
+Touchstone Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 I guess I should just filter them out from now on... Yep. Quote
+Panther&Pine Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 There are lame multis and lame traditionals. Just have to pick through them. Quote
+Chrysalides Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 One justification for multis : one of the reasons for hiding a geocache is to bring you some place interesting. Sometimes, a cache cannot be hidden in that location. Yes, there are many poorly designed multis. But there are good ones as well. And like everyone else said, if you don't like a cache, don't look for it. This is easy for you since you're a premium member - use the ignore list. Quote
Pup Patrol Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) Hi all, I tried finding a multi today, it put me right off them to be honest. I have only found a few multis, I feel they aren't worth the effort. By this, I mean that: They take extra time to find They don't offer anything new They end up just being another nano or film canister Some are too ambiguous with the clues Now if they were leading somewhere like a great area, or led to a great, unique cache then fine, but in my experience that isn't the case Does anyone else struggle to see the point? I have found caches that are great to find, like nice containers or nice camo that are standard, traditional caches, so why send me to a location just to get new co ords? I do see the point of a multi like " go here to get a tool, to use on cache which is here" type that I have seen on YouTube but nope, that doesn't reflect caches in my area! I guess I should just filter them out from now on and stop griping! When I create my caches, rest assured there won't be a multi in sight. You've found all of 2 multicaches, and are now an expert in what a good multicache is??????????? Both of the multicaches you found were at interesting historical locations. What more do you want? Chichester War Memorial was originally in Eastgate square and was moved to the present location in Litten Gardens soon after the Second World War. in 1921 the Memorial was unveiled by Sir William Robertson who was one of Field Marshal Douglas Haig's Senior Staff. Every year the there is a two minutes' silence held here on remembrance Sunday. The Hilsea Lines are a line of 18th and 19th century fortifications built to protect the Northern approach to Portsea, an island of the coast of England containing the city of Portsmouth and its key naval base. Yes, stop griping. You should just ignore multicaches and puzzles and anything that requires more than a quick park and grab. Some people just aren't meant to look for caches that require more than 30 seconds of their time, or require any effort at all. B. Edited May 28, 2014 by Pup Patrol Quote
+catrim Posted May 28, 2014 Author Posted May 28, 2014 Thanks all, guess it is just me then! In answer to me being an expert on multis, I didn't claim to be. I have not found, or not worked out quite a few more. My point was why don't you just give the location like most co's do, but I guess it may be due to not having permission to place the cache in the first place, so an alternative site must be the cache location. I do know how to filter so I will do that from now on. Quote
+briansnat Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 Not a getting started issue, moving to the general forum. Quote
Pup Patrol Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 Thanks all, guess it is just me then! In answer to me being an expert on multis, I didn't claim to be. I have not found, or not worked out quite a few more. My point was why don't you just give the location like most co's do, but I guess it may be due to not having permission to place the cache in the first place, so an alternative site must be the cache location. I do know how to filter so I will do that from now on. That's pretty nervy to make such an assumption. You would be wrong. Assumptions are bad things. They should be avoided whenever possible. Yes, if you haven't learned why multicaches are placed instead of regular caches, then I doubt we can help you figure it out. B. Quote
+narcissa Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 It is my understanding that multis and puzzles won't show up on the Intro apps. That is why any cache I hide from now on will be a multi or a puzzle. Maybe even a PMO also. All of my future geocache hides will be multis, mystery unknowns, or letterbox hybrids. They don't keep out all of the riff-raff, but they do elevate the general caliber of finders. Quote
+Roman! Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 I don't like multis either, too much work for one smiley, I do, however, enjoy solving multis online, I'd say 1/2 the multis I've done I solved online. Quote
+T.D.M.22 Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 Thanks all, guess it is just me then! In answer to me being an expert on multis, I didn't claim to be. I have not found, or not worked out quite a few more. My point was why don't you just give the location like most co's do, but I guess it may be due to not having permission to place the cache in the first place, so an alternative site must be the cache location. I do know how to filter so I will do that from now on. A physical things placed for a cache- including stages of a multi/unknown/whatever have the locations looked at by the reviewers. I'll guarantee that 90% of multis have the same permissions as trads, puzzles, letterboxes, and every other type, whatever that permission may be... Quote
+niraD Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 They take extra time to findSo do most high-terrain and/or high-difficulty caches. Some of them are among my Favorites too. They don't offer anything newThat must be why I gave another Favorites point to a multi-cache this past weekend. In my experience, multi-caches and multi-stage mystery/puzzle caches can take you on an adventure in a way that single-stage caches can't. They end up just being another nano or film canisterOr an ammo box. Or a Lock&Lock. Or a keyholder. Or a beach safe. Or... just like pretty much any other type of cache. Except for the multi-stage adventure that got you to the nano or film canister or ammo box or Lock&Lock or... Some are too ambiguous with the cluesAnd some traditional caches have soft coordinates, or intentionally misleading hints. So? Does anyone else struggle to see the point?Some of my Favorites have been multi-caches, or multi-stage mystery/puzzle caches. I guess I should just filter them out from now on and stop griping!Sounds like a plan. You don't have to find them all. Quote
DannyCaffeine Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 I actually like the extra challenge. The only thing I dislike is when there are puzzles with no context. Quote
+hydnsek Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 I agree that a lame multi isn't much fun. I once found a multi in a parking lot where the first WP was a pole on one side, and the final was in a bush 50 ft away on the other side. Whoopee. But a well-conceived multi with a purpose can be a real treat (for me, anyway), showing me interesting locations or history. I've only created a few multis, but each has a specific reason to exist - and two are among my caches with the most Favorite points (3rd and 4th). So some folks like 'em. Quote
Blue Square Thing Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 Thanks all, guess it is just me then! In answer to me being an expert on multis, I didn't claim to be. I have not found, or not worked out quite a few more. My point was why don't you just give the location like most co's do, but I guess it may be due to not having permission to place the cache in the first place, so an alternative site must be the cache location. I do know how to filter so I will do that from now on. I wonder whether it's the type and style of multi that you've been looking for that has caused more of the problem. I don't find that many multi caches. That's primarily because I don't use a GPS device most of the time so finding them tends to require multiple trips to a location which can be tricky. I also tend to think some are not really the sort of thing I want to find - I don't enjoy looking at gravestones so most of the Church Micro multis are out for me. I also tend to prefer bigger caches so I do actively filter out most micro caches these days. But... I do like the many of the "tourist" multi caches out there - the ones that require you to take a walk around a tourist place finding interesting things. For example, the York Minster multi cache is a really good one that I enjoyed - and there's one in Norwich that's similar but different. I'd recommend looking for some of that style and seeing whether you get on with them - the caveat is that I enjoy being taken to interesting place (and also tend to enjoy being taken to places in cities that are interesting to me (as an urban geographer...)) and this is far more important to me than finding a container to be honest. I tend to find that favourite points are actually quite useful when filtering out multi caches. Not always, but they tend to be more effective I think than in general. In your area I'd be tempted to have a go at: Jacob Von Hogflume's Finest Accomplishment - regular size and scads of favourite points and it looks fun; Operation Neptune - but I do like a spot of military history Let's go orienteering - which is certainly different from most caches Mawidge in Newtown - on the island though, but looks interesting enough as a tourist sort of multi They're not your standard "go to x and count this and then this is a one stage offset cache" sort of thing. Worth a go I'd say - and there look to be more in Hampshire as well. Quote
+briansnat Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 Some of my favorite cache finds have been multis. Maybe you are just doing the wrong multis. Quote
+TriciaG Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 Most of our local multis could easily be 2 or 3 traditionals instead. There doesn't seem to be a reason for them to be multis. So yeah, I don't care for those as much. Quote
+GilkerscleughCachers Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 Well. They don't annoy me as the ones around here are either ingenious (GC37NMD), have some interesting historical information (GC44G7G) or they are FTF's (GC55N81). They are all pretty fun whether you end up finding a magnetic nano or a tupperware. Quote
+terrkan78 Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 Multi's do take more effort per smiley. Sometimes a lot more effort per smiley. If all the stages are lame, then it's a lot of work with very little reward - and I agree, it's not worth it. It's hard to tell if it's going to be a lame multi without simply trying it and finding out (although reading prior logs and checking out fave points might help). Multi's with physical stages have a far greater chance of DNF. I DNF them all the time. And some CO's flat out don't provide solid clues for each stage. That's indeed frustrating. I hate it when I'm a couple stages into a multi, can't find the blasted thing and the hint is something that I just shake my head at and say WTF? But...sometimes a multi will take you on a trail you never knew existed, to amazing rock formations or abandoned structures off trail that you never would have found on your own, and even though you only get one smiley for a whole day's worth of hiking, it's the best day ever. And that smiley - you feel kind of proud of it, because you actually had to work for that smiley. The CO could have put out a bunch of traditionals along the trail and upped the reward for that day's worth of hiking, but somehow that cheapens it (I'm not exactly sure why) Quote
+geodarts Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 I avoid multis that seem to have no other purpose than to add an extra container here or there. The search is the least interesting part of the game for me, so I do not need to be looking for one more nano just to find another nano that is placed in a location that I would not otherwise want to visit. But some multis have a purpose. One of my favorites. Rara Avis, brought me on a tour of San Francisco following the trail of Sam Spade. It made me want to get a trench coat, fedora, and start to smoke. Similarly, the Old Town Ghost Tour brought me to a number of ghostly places -- perhaps I should have replaced my gpsr with a EVP recorder for that one. Offset multis can sometimes be a good way of bringing people to interesting or historical locations. But, yes. A container just to have a container or a series of containers just to have a series of containers does not do anything for me. Quote
+irisisleuk Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 Most of our local multis could easily be 2 or 3 traditionals instead. There doesn't seem to be a reason for them to be multis. So yeah, I don't care for those as much. So your local multis bring you easily to 2 or 3 places that are interesting and you only have to write one log for that nice experience, that's great! More caches isn't better, why put 3 containers there if you can show the area with a nice multi? You want to score 3 "points/smileys" for the walk, otherwise you don't care as much for visiting these locations? Over here I see a trend of serie caches with a bonus. People want to "score" a lot of smileys without any effort. So often a serie of 10 or 20 caches are placed close to each other with a bonus in the end, since this attracts the smiley hunters who give favorites for the bonus since they are glad someone made it possible to score a lot within a short amount of time, with the least amount of effort, preferably with hardly any walking involved. And if the caches have a homemade camouflage appearance it is the best series they have ever seen. Busy logging, paying no attention to the environment and lots of encounters with other mindlike cachers while doing the walk. A multi cache in the same area won't be done by these cachers (until of course also these coordinates end up in a database these "cachers" share, so then can walk straight to the cache). I prefer that multi-cache. I don't feel the need to score lots of smileys, I like a nice day out, preferably with caches that give me more inspiration to log a bit more than "and yes, also found this one, up to the next one 0.1 miles ahead". Multi's are great and there are lots of varieties. City walks that guide you on a sightseeing tour, adventurous walks (day and night) in the woods, bike multi's for those who like to cover longer distances, multis where you have to search for clues to solve a mystery/murder/code, multis that make a nice evening walk, multi's especially made for children, multi's that push your limits, where you feel like you've conquered the world and some you might even not be able to manage them in one day. But the fulfillment, the feel of pride afterwards, there aren't many tradionals that can do the same. We've done all sorts of multi's and those are the ones that create memories, stories, great photos and experiences we still remember years later. Quote
+narcissa Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 Multis are also useful for getting people to stick to a particular path, instead of trampling their way from cache to cache in straight lines where they really shouldn't. Quote
+Roman! Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 But the fulfillment, the feel of pride afterwards, there aren't many tradionals that can do the same. We've done all sorts of multi's and those are the ones that create memories, stories, great photos and experiences we still remember years later. My favorite caches have been traditionals on top of mountains, I still remember them years later and have awesome pictures I took. If it were a multi leading me up to any of then I probably would have chosen a different mountain, there is so much more that can go wrong with a multi. I also have enjoyed the PTs I did with friends and my kids, I have thousands of photos and countless memories from them. Frankly I can only recall one multi that really stood out but it was a piece of cake to get. Quote
+Chief301 Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 I think that multis have their place, if done for a good reason. One example already cited is that the location just has no place to hide a container or permission cannot be obtained. So bringing the finder to the desired location where they gather some information to calculate the final, would be a good option. I think that this would be properly classified as an Unknown or Puzzle, though (unless the hider actually placed something at the site containing the final coordinates). Another valid reason is to protect a sensitive location or a vulnerable cache hide....a multi tends to filter out some of the less experienced cachers who may have just started and haven't really got the hang of caching etiquette yet. It definitely excludes the Intro app users because the Intro app doesn't allow you to enter coordinates. The extra step of making it PMO protects it even further. I have one cache, GC4TWYG, "Apocalypso!" .... http://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC4TWYG_apocalypso?guid=69bfdc35-5e4d-4ed0-8d60-cac7c5584337 ....that I made a multi AND PMO because the location is one where I don't want inexperienced cachers messing around and because the container is unique and would be difficult to replace. I've gotten enthusiastic compliments on it by the few finders who have done it so far, so I don't think it has been perceived as a multi just for the sake of a multi. Quote
+narcissa Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 Another valid reason for hiding a multi is that you want to. Quote
+Chrysalides Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 So bringing the finder to the desired location where they gather some information to calculate the final, would be a good option. I think that this would be properly classified as an Unknown or Puzzle, though (unless the hider actually placed something at the site containing the final coordinates). This seems to be region (and reviewer) specific. Some regions list them as unknowns, others list them as multis. Quote
fendmar Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 I like multi's! Some of the best caches in the Houston area are multi's! Quote
+TriciaG Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 So your local multis bring you easily to 2 or 3 places that are interesting and you only have to write one log for that nice experience, that's great!More caches isn't better, why put 3 containers there if you can show the area with a nice multi? You want to score 3 "points/smileys" for the walk, otherwise you don't care as much for visiting these locations? The majority of my local multis take me to 2 or 3 places that aren't all that interesting, leading to a micro or small final that is in a place not all that interesting. Quote
+KayakGZ Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) I like multis that exist as multis for a reason, meaning that Stage I & Stage II have "something to do" with each other. One of my multis is a water cache with Stage I at the nearest convenient boat launch, so you can grab the coords & take a little break before launching. Sometimes, Stage I of a multi helps direct one to the final, if for example, if its at the best trailhead. Edited May 29, 2014 by KayakGZ Quote
+Roman! Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 I like multis that exist as multis for a reason, meaning that Stage I & Stage II have "something to do" with each other. One of my multis is a water cache with Stage I at the nearest convenient boat launch, so you can grab the coords & take a little break before launching. Sometimes, Stage I of a multi helps direct one to the final, if for example, if its at the best trailhead. Where I live a lot of caches are on trails and it is common practice to list the trailhead as a waypoint on the cache page, just saying. Quote
+TopShelfRob Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 It seems there are arguments for and against multis, but one of the most popular arguments against multis for some people is that you're doing the "work" of 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. smileys and only getting 1 smiley. Maybe (and I say this partly in jest) COs should be able to set the amount of smileys that a find on a multi-cache is "worth". A three-stage multi = 3 smileys. A six-stage multi = 6 smileys. I mean, since we've already established that a "find" and a "smiley" aren't always exactly the same thing anyway. Quote
+Traditional Bill Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 It seems there are arguments for and against multis, but one of the most popular arguments against multis for some people is that you're doing the "work" of 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. smileys and only getting 1 smiley. Maybe (and I say this partly in jest) COs should be able to set the amount of smileys that a find on a multi-cache is "worth". A three-stage multi = 3 smileys. A six-stage multi = 6 smileys. I mean, since we've already established that a "find" and a "smiley" aren't always exactly the same thing anyway. There he goes again trying to re invent the wheel. :D:D If you don't like multis, filter them out of your searches. It's as simple as that. You don't need multiple smileys for one multi, that just doesn't make sense to me. Quote
cezanne Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 Maybe (and I say this partly in jest) COs should be able to set the amount of smileys that a find on a multi-cache is "worth". A three-stage multi = 3 smileys. A six-stage multi = 6 smileys. I mean, since we've already established that a "find" and a "smiley" aren't always exactly the same thing anyway. Actually, I see it as one of the advantages of multi caches that they get less traffic and that some of those who cache for smilies stay away, in particular for long multi caches. I did e.g. a >120km hike with around 80 stages and it was the multi day hike that made that cache so special - it would not feel right to end up with 80 smilies. It was one great experience not 80 small ones. It's not the stages that make such caches so special. Cezanne Quote
+TopShelfRob Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 [There he goes again trying to re invent the wheel. :D:D I did say, I said it "partly in jest". Quote
+TopShelfRob Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 Maybe (and I say this partly in jest) COs should be able to set the amount of smileys that a find on a multi-cache is "worth". A three-stage multi = 3 smileys. A six-stage multi = 6 smileys. I mean, since we've already established that a "find" and a "smiley" aren't always exactly the same thing anyway. Actually, I see it as one of the advantages of multi caches that they get less traffic and that some of those who cache for smilies stay away, in particular for long multi caches. I did e.g. a >120km hike with around 80 stages and it was the multi day hike that made that cache so special - it would not feel right to end up with 80 smilies. It was one great experience not 80 small ones. It's not the stages that make such caches so special. Cezanne Ah, so 1 smiley = 1 great experience... that's good to know. So I can stop at 2 LPCs and have 2 great experiences? (or twice the experience of your 80 stage, awesome 120km hike). I would have thought that your awesome hike would be about 80x the experience of 1 LPC. Might as well score it that way. Also, I only meant for the benefit of those who would call themselves "numbers cachers" -- those of you who like multis as they are, wouldn't have to concern themselves with how many smileys you get, since you aren't in it for the experience. Think of it as 1 smiley with 79 bonus points for being such a great cache. LOL, again I wasn't 100% serious with this anyhow. Quote
cezanne Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 Also, I only meant for the benefit of those who would call themselves "numbers cachers" -- those of you who like multis as they are, wouldn't have to concern themselves with how many smileys you get, since you aren't in it for the experience. Think of it as 1 smiley with 79 bonus points for being such a great cache. I prefer it the way it is right now and this certainly improves the log quality on caches like the one I mentioned. Compare the logs of a 20km hiking multi cache and a series of 60 traditionals and a bonus cache along a comparable hiking route. The multi cache gets much fewer logs, but those that it gets in most cases contain stories and photographs while for the series not even the bonus cache gets a decent log and even less one that really provides an account of the overall experience. What a Dutch cacher described a few posts above is unfortunately also what becomes common in my area and it makes me sad. Awarding more smilies for multi caches would not change this aspect - those who come for numbers simply are concerned with a different type of activity. I intentionally have hidden my last cache (a multi cache that requires a hike of 16 km) in an area where not many other caches exist to scare away those who select the caches for their tours in terms of the smiley profit per day/time spent and it worked out fine so far. It's a pleasure to view the gallery and to read the logs which is not the case for a single of those numerous power trail like series. Cezanne Quote
+The_Incredibles_ Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 I think there are definitely some good multis (I own 2 ) I have to say, though, I generally put off doing them in favor of traditionals. Multis just seem like work and if you can't find one of the stage, you're kind of screwed. Plus when you're doing a multi, you have to use your brain, a thing I like to avoid as much as possible when out and about. Same reason I'm not too keen on earthcaches. I will do them eventually, just not as a 1st choice. Quote
+spirothebudgie Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) I agree with the post above. I haven't found many multi's (only one or two) and they were both great fun and took me to some great locations However, things like missing waypoints etc can put me right off them as they are impossible to find if the waypoint goes missing. They can also go a long time without being found as not everyone has time to do them, meaning that if there is a problem with the cache it can take ages before the owner realises But I still like them, and finally getting the cache after spending ages working out a puzzle is a great feeling Edited May 29, 2014 by spirothebudgie Quote
cezanne Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 Multis just seem like work and if you can't find one of the stage, you're kind of screwed. Plus when you're doing a multi, you have to use your brain, a thing I like to avoid as much as possible when out and about. I think that depends a lot on one's definition of work and on the types of caches one visits. For me tricky containers (traditionals!) where I need to invest 30 minutes to open them or 30 minutes to find them feel much more like work than 5 hours hike in beautiful scenery. The intention behind my last multi cache is a cache that is well fitted if one needs a timeout and it should feel work to the target audience. There are also no physical stages and the risk that something gets lost at one of the virtual ones is very low. The brain use is also quite neglectable. There are many additional waypoints available and so not even chosing the right route will require preparation (work) or much brain usage. I'd say that logging a series of 20 traditionals along the same route is much more work - both out in the field as one needs to find 20 containers, sign the log and rehide the containers properly and at home when writing logs. It's much more relaxing for me to write only a single decent log, but of course that's subjective. There will be definitely people for multi caches, regardless of which type, are not a good choice. For me most types of multi caches are well suited and I also do not mind using my brain when it comes to geocaching which does not mean that I'm a big fan of investing a lot of work at home. I really like orienteering caches (and orienteering in general) and one of the challenges there is that both the brain and the body are challenged. That's of course not something everyone likes. Have you ever experienced the special orienteering feeling? Does it feel like work for you? It's quite a different brain involvement than for example with Earth caches and quite different to what many of us need at work. Cezanne Quote
+edscott Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) Hi all, I tried finding a multi today, it put me right off them to be honest. I have only found a few multis, I feel they aren't worth the effort. By this, I mean that: They take extra time to find They don't offer anything new They end up just being another nano or film canister Some are too ambiguous with the clues Now if they were leading somewhere like a great area, or led to a great, unique cache then fine, but in my experience that isn't the case Does anyone else struggle to see the point? I have found caches that are great to find, like nice containers or nice camo that are standard, traditional caches, so why send me to a location just to get new co ords? I do see the point of a multi like " go here to get a tool, to use on cache which is here" type that I have seen on YouTube but nope, that doesn't reflect caches in my area! I guess I should just filter them out from now on and stop griping! When I create my caches, rest assured there won't be a multi in sight. Here's one you can immediately send to your ignore list http://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC2E3VT_hay-creek-choose-your-own-adventure?guid=12c86ff4-a3b9-46d3-9aa0-fdb1a44e8998 Edited May 29, 2014 by edscott Quote
+BBWolf+3Pigs Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 Most of our local multis could easily be 2 or 3 traditionals instead. There doesn't seem to be a reason for them to be multis. So yeah, I don't care for those as much. My Walking Tour Of Newport (RI) used to be a series of individual caches. Due to the locations, they were all nanos, which required constant log replacements, and would frequently go missing. I made it a multi which allowed me to hide a larger cache at the final. This has reduced the maintenance (log lasts longer). It has also allowed me to bring visitors to other locations that would not even support a nano (amount of foot traffic, private property issues, etc). It's gettign a 33% Favorite ratio, which I think is pretty good. Quote
Blue Square Thing Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 Here's one you can immediately send to your ignore list http://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC2E3VT_hay-creek-choose-your-own-adventure?guid=12c86ff4-a3b9-46d3-9aa0-fdb1a44e8998 Thanks for sharing that - I like the idea. Quote
+TriciaG Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) Most of our local multis could easily be 2 or 3 traditionals instead. There doesn't seem to be a reason for them to be multis. So yeah, I don't care for those as much. My Walking Tour Of Newport (RI) used to be a series of individual caches. Due to the locations, they were all nanos, which required constant log replacements, and would frequently go missing. I made it a multi which allowed me to hide a larger cache at the final. This has reduced the maintenance (log lasts longer). It has also allowed me to bring visitors to other locations that would not even support a nano (amount of foot traffic, private property issues, etc). It's gettign a 33% Favorite ratio, which I think is pretty good. That sounds like a multi that has a reason to be a multi. Here's one you can immediately send to your ignore list http://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC2E3VT_hay-creek-choose-your-own-adventure?guid=12c86ff4-a3b9-46d3-9aa0-fdb1a44e8998 Off topic: "Stage L was completely entombed in ice. Unfortunately we had to destroy the container to retrieve the coordinates." Sounds like a winning geocacher. Edited May 29, 2014 by TriciaG Quote
+BAMBOOZLE Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 I do not like most multi's but will do them in my home area.....I think the best multi is when you get info. at stage one and then walk to stage two ( no more than two stages ). Quote
+biggles1024 Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 A lame cache is a lame cache regardless of type. If you restrict yourself to traditionals you'll never experience the excitement of a night cache. 10.8% of my finds have been multi's but I'm working on increasing that percentage. Some of the multis near me would take an entire day and half a tank of petrol to do in one go. They have taken me to some fantastic places but I did them one way point at a time by which I mean, I waited until I was in the vicinity of the next way point finding other caches and only then went and found that way point. From memory the longest period of time that I've had a multi 'on the go' is just over a year. You need to be adept at making and maintaining records and also organising yourself to make best use of both your time and your petrol. Quote
+Twentse Mug Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 Some numbers to compare Netherlands (where I'm from) with USA. USA: 127 cachers with 500+ founds in multies Netherlands: 373 cachers with 500+ founds in multies USA: 25688 multi caches = 2.6% of all caches Netherlands: 5110 multi caches = 18.3% of all caches These statistics show there is a difference in multi-caches culture between Netherlands (Europe) and USA. My point is that the attitude and comments will probably be different depending on what part of the world you are caching. And by the way, I love multi-caches. Quote
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