Am I over-saturating?

[+gruffpuppy]

Hi All, I have 3 caches in a Outdoor Recreation Reserve, and there are also a few other caches in the area as well. I have attached a map of what is mine, what is already there, and where I was thinking of placing some more containers. Looking forward to your feedback on if my plan is ok, or if it is too much.

Thanks in Advance. Greg

 

(Aug-7 - Moved image to permanent location on server and updated link accordingly)

 

Edited August 7, 2013 by gruffpuppy

[+davetherocketguy]

No. If it's within the GC guidelines then it isn't a problem IMHO. In fact, I love areas like this where I can take a walk in the woods and hit up a bunch of caches. The more the better and the bigger the container the better as far as I am concerned.

[team tisri]

It's within the guidelines so not a problem. I'd be disappointed to see ever-more film pots behind signs but inventive caches in nice places are good to find.

[+bflentje]

There's some pretty good distances between each, 2 or 3 times the proximity limit in most cases. I wouldn't call this saturation at all.

[+nthacker66]

geoart is over saturation

[+MartyBartfast]

The distances are fine, the area looks like a good place to cache, and as Team Tisri says, if they're good caches then that's great too - go for it.

[+Vandyvan]

Doesn't look too crowded to me. I'm not overly concerned with numbers, but it is nice when you can spend the better part of a day in an area exploring and also pick up a handful or two of caches. Or pick up half of them one day and save the rest for another visit.

[+T.D.M.22]

If you have to ask, yes you are oversaturating. You obviously think you are, so at least in your opinion you are.

 

geoart is over saturation

 

I disagree. Sure Geoart in the middle of a city, or an area that would make for nice trads and a couple ?'s would be too much. But what about the geoart in the middle of nowhere? The places that a normal cache wouldn't be, or places only suitable for geoart or a power trail? You can't really say that is too many cache than the area can hold. Not saying you have to like it...Just don't say it is too much.

[+6NoisyHikers]

Is the question about whether there would be too many caches within the park area, or too many caches placed by YOU in the park area? (Thus leading to the standard complaint from other players about there being "nowhere to hide a cache because one person took up all the space".)

 

The only request I would make is to please have variety in your hide styles if they are going to be placed in the same general area.

[+badger10]

I live in a sagebrush heavy area with lots of trails. Caches near a trail are always good. Small or larger caches are always good. If it's in a wooded area that is a big bonus.

[+Beach_hut]

I say go for it. The only thing I see on that map there's a multi and a puzzle... Have you solved those to make sure the finals aren't within your proposed spot?

[+The_Incredibles_]

Looks like there will still be lots of space for other hiders. I say go for it, as long as they are decent sized containers and you plan to maintain them.

[+Team Microdot]

If you have to ask, yes you are oversaturating. You obviously think you are, so at least in your opinion you are.

 

This logic seems flawed to me.

 

1. As others have said - as far as the guidelines are concerned, the CO's proposals do not constitute over-saturation.

 

2. If you ask if you are X then you are X? So if I ask if I'm an astronaut, then I must be an astronaut?

 

3. If the OP obviously thinks they are oversaturating - why would they ask the question in the first place?

 

geoart is over saturation

 

I disagree... Not saying you have to like it...Just don't say it is too much.

 

So you're saying that this poster is entitled to an opinion - but mustn't voice it?

 

Take that argument to its logical conclusion and you can wave goodbye to the forum - surely?

 

Apart from that - you effectively told the guy to shut up - which is just rude.

[+captnemo]

geoart is over saturation

+1

[Clan Riffster]

My intemperate thoughts? Quality trumps quantity, every time.

If you hide one film can every 5000 acres, then yes, you are over saturating.

[+gruffpuppy]

geoart is over saturation

 

Who said anything about geoart? Seriously, What design can you see in the proposed placement? Its 6 caches! Its just caches spaced out in a reserve on clearly defined walking tracks.

 

If you have to ask, yes you are oversaturating. You obviously think you are, so at least in your opinion you are.

 

The reason I am asking is that not everybody has the same opinion as I do. I don't think it is over saturation, but some others might see it differently. As a result, I thought I would ask the opinions of other Geocachers.

 

To everybody else, thank you for your constructive feedback - especially Beach Hut, I hadn't considered the final GZ's of the Multi and Mystery.

[+T.D.M.22]

If you have to ask, yes you are oversaturating. You obviously think you are, so at least in your opinion you are.

 

This logic seems flawed to me.

 

1. As others have said - as far as the guidelines are concerned, the CO's proposals do not constitute over-saturation.

 

2. If you ask if you are X then you are X? So if I ask if I'm an astronaut, then I must be an astronaut?

 

3. If the OP obviously thinks they are oversaturating - why would they ask the question in the first place?

 

geoart is over saturation

 

I disagree... Not saying you have to like it...Just don't say it is too much.

 

So you're saying that this poster is entitled to an opinion - but mustn't voice it?

 

Take that argument to its logical conclusion and you can wave goodbye to the forum - surely?

 

Apart from that - you effectively told the guy to shut up - which is just rude.

 

As for the over saturation, IMO I am correct. It's one of those things, if you are unsure the answer is probably no. If you are unsure you are an astronaut then you aren't. You find a wallet and you want to take some money out of it. You say the owner will not ever notice, but you still ask your friend...you shouldn't. As was pointed out by the geoart comment- oversaturation is more than just, are we allowed to put another cache here? It is a personal opinion. The OP thought, at least a tiny bit deep down inside-that there may be to many caches, hence the question.

 

As for my reply about the geoart-yes I just did pretty much tell him to shut up. I do apologize, as that was not the intent of what I said. Perhaps a better way to put it is the proper time and place argument-or in this case just proper place. Geo-art in the city is not IMO the proper place. Geoart, in the middle of a farm field with caches in the ditch of a dirt road would be more appropriate. That is what I have said-perhaps my last 2 lines should have been, in the proper place geoart isn't oversaturation, however in many cases it may be just that. Infact the latest geoart trail I had done-or rather the only one- the caches where from 530 feet to 700 feet apart-because the goal was to have the art, but the powertrail. Had we done a PT we could have gotten several more caches in the same area.

 

I'm not all out defending them-we have 5 trails, 2 of them geoart-that's over 500 caches. I have 120. 100- because I did a test run with the CO for one and a total of 20 from the other 4 trails. Just not my thing, but hey; it attracts people from out of town, and they like them.

[+WarNinjas]

I don't in anyway see a problem? If no one else has placed them there then you are making the game funner for the rest of us. If someone wanted to place one there then they should have already done so. If new members come along they can place them there when you stop playing if you ever do or find there own places. They would be left blank in the mean time. It would be a bonus if you made them cool caches and fun to find but what ever you place I am sure you will think is cool. If there is a puzzle or multi blocking them you get added in site on to where they are hidden. I personally wouldn't worry about it and just own the land and hopefully maintain it. I would be happy if I stopped by and seen I could get a bunch there!

[+Gustav129]

I wouldn't consider that over-saturating, but when you get to the point of "if xxx cache get's archived, I could place 3 caches in the park." Using a mathematical formula to pack as many caches into a park as possible is where it becomes a problem. The quote is actually what somebody locally said at an event.

[+nthacker66]

If you have to ask, yes you are oversaturating. You obviously think you are, so at least in your opinion you are.

 

This logic seems flawed to me.

 

1. As others have said - as far as the guidelines are concerned, the CO's proposals do not constitute over-saturation.

 

2. If you ask if you are X then you are X? So if I ask if I'm an astronaut, then I must be an astronaut?

 

3. If the OP obviously thinks they are oversaturating - why would they ask the question in the first place?

 

geoart is over saturation

 

I disagree... Not saying you have to like it...Just don't say it is too much.

 

So you're saying that this poster is entitled to an opinion - but mustn't voice it?

 

Take that argument to its logical conclusion and you can wave goodbye to the forum - surely?

 

Apart from that - you effectively told the guy to shut up - which is just rude.

 

No worries, I am used to being beat up and bullied on here. Ban banned a couple of times too.

[+Team Microdot]

If you have to ask, yes you are oversaturating. You obviously think you are, so at least in your opinion you are.

 

This logic seems flawed to me.

 

1. As others have said - as far as the guidelines are concerned, the CO's proposals do not constitute over-saturation.

 

2. If you ask if you are X then you are X? So if I ask if I'm an astronaut, then I must be an astronaut?

 

3. If the OP obviously thinks they are oversaturating - why would they ask the question in the first place?

 

As for the over saturation, IMO I am correct. It's one of those things, if you are unsure the answer is probably no. If you are unsure you are an astronaut then you aren't.

 

... and yet...

 

If you have to ask, yes you are oversaturating. You obviously think you are, so at least in your opinion you are.

 

So we have

 

1) If you are uncertain, the answer is probably no

 

2) If you are uncertain, the answer is probably yes

 

You can't have it both ways

[+nthacker66]

geoart is over saturation

 

"Who said anything about geoart? Seriously, What design can you see in the proposed placement? Its 6 caches! Its just caches spaced out in a reserve on clearly defined walking tracks."

 

 

I didn't see YOU were oversaturating. I was merely making a brief comment about what I personally think is over saturation. I didn't go into fine detail about that and I apologize.

 

Let me reiterate. In my opinion (which is combative I guess when it differs from the community at large), I think geoart is over saturation of an area - whether the middle of nowhere or not. I don't think geoart is maintainable, it can take up real estate for someone to people out a good multi or even cause high impact on low impact areas. I know YOUR placements aren't geoart and I think 6 caches in a general area is just fine.

[+NYPaddleCacher]

As I see it, the answer to "Am I over-saturated?" boils down to two other questions.

 

1, Can the caches be published?

 

Unless there are proximity issues due to nearby puzzle or multi-caches the proposed locations of the two caches do not violate the saturation guidelines thus the answer is "yes".

 

2. Should the caches be placed?

 

If the only reason for placing caches in those locations is because there are no other caches within 528' there are some that might say that, no,the caches should not be placed. If the OP is just going to toss a film can in a bush at those locations (I am by no means suggesting they will) then perhaps the spots should be left open for someone else to place a cache that will put some effort in creating a memorable find.

 

I'm with the Riffster on this one that quality trumps quantity every time. I don't necessary consider 6 caches better than 4 caches if the only reason for the addtional caches is to fill in a gap in the park and to give number cacher more caches to find. That said, it does look like an interesting park and the addition of at least one of those proposed locations for a cache could bring people to a section of the park they might not otherwise visit.