Manipulating the dates of your finds

[+Don_J]

I am currently in day 427 of my streak.

 

In my area, it really isn't too hard to do, but even so I did consider fudging the dates on some finds so I could take a day or two off if I wanted to. It would have been really easy considering the number of 'initials only' caches around here.

 

I decided my personal integrity was worth more than that, and the day it was too much trouble to go out and make a find would be the end of my streak.

 

I might consider letting the owner of the streak challenge know what was happening, but really, if the person wants to fool themselves like that, let them. THEY are the ones who will have to live with the knowledge that they really DIDN'T complete the challenge (if they ever really do).

 

You could just do what one of our local streakers has resorted to. Cache for ten minutes every two days. Start at 11:55 pm and finish at 12:05 am, the next day.

[+Don_J]

if there are no rules or regulations or people who check and complain -

then too many will cheat, and in the end ruin the game for all fair players,

so if you feel very sure someone cheat, ask, check, complain, and even delete logs..

this way you are a little minor part of the ones who help keep this game more true and fair

and in the end more fun..

 

Fun? Outing a guy from out of your area. Exposing him to his friends and possibly making him a laughing stock. All over a silly challenge cache. That's fun?

[+OZ2CPU]

>All over a silly challenge cache. That's fun?

 

a lie is a lie, and a person who do this is a liar,

he did it, not the person who reveal it,

ALL types of games are much more fun for all parts, if all play fair

and all play the same game after the same rules or guidelines.

[+Ma & Pa]

In general nobody is checking what you say and do with regard to geocaching. Many cachers create challenges for themselves to make the game more interesting. I see no point in lying or fixing dates, but if some want to do it, I am not going to intervene. See my signature at bottom of this message.

 

Our streak ended at 472 days in April when we went on a cruise. We could have fudged the dates then and at other times during the streak but that would not have been any fun. In January a major snow storm was announced which would stop our streak , so at 10 pm the night before, we went to the casino and won a bit of money and around 12:30 am we put on headlamps and went to find a cache before the storm. In February we got up at 7 am and went for 3 needed caches and then headed to the airport to fly out of town.

 

Like many we gave ourselves the challenge of filling the calendar, which we did, then we decided to get 5 caches on everyday of the calendar, which we will complete this month. Ma now wants to have 10 caches per day, and we will work on that but it wont happen for about 18 months because of cruises.

 

I am in this for the fun and I don't worry about others

[+frinklabs]

>All over a silly challenge cache. That's fun?

 

a lie is a lie, and a person who do this is a liar,

he did it, not the person who reveal it,

ALL types of games are much more fun for all parts, if all play fair

and all play the same game after the same rules or guidelines.

 

I am not seeing how their lie makes it less fun for you?

[+Don_J]

>All over a silly challenge cache. That's fun?

 

a lie is a lie, and a person who do this is a liar,

he did it, not the person who reveal it,

ALL types of games are much more fun for all parts, if all play fair

and all play the same game after the same rules or guidelines.

 

This is only true if you are playing a game against someone else.

[+OZ2CPU]

>I am not seeing how their lie makes it less fun for you?

 

>This is only true if you are playing a game against someone else.

 

I answer both of you at the same time since this is related..

this game is hardly a one man game, might be for 1 out of 1000 but in general it is not,

there are ways to hide your stats details, but not your total find or score if you want to call it that,

then there are ways to simply not log anything online, do it in a pocket book or your own offline computer,

THEN you can play your own game, offcourse you also must not read anything about what others do or dont

and you must stay away from any kinds of challenge cache types, and you must stop to compare anything you have done with anyone else.. in real life it is impossible to stop to compare..

We are designed as compeditive persons, it is actually a good thing

then people try harder and improve their skils, this is why we stopped beeing monkeys..

 

Back to this game..

We all play by the SAME rules, ok here they are called guidelines, fine,

but still it is possible in the long run to ruin the game, if too many people cheat and lie.

 

if you play this game, you also call your self a geocacher

all others also call them self geocachers, so this means we are all called the same,

if more and more people are alloved to cast a bad light on geocaching due to dishonost lying behaviour,

it will also fall back to the honost players.

I prefer to be able to call my self a geocacher with a proud feeling, we belong to a honost group of non lyers

Edited July 2, 2013 by OZ2CPU

[+redsox_mark]

I see what Thomas is saying. I think is point is more general than about this specific "lie".

 

At least for me, part of the enjoyment is the online/social aspect of the game. If I find a particularly challenging cache (or a challenging challenge cache) I often put it on my watchlist. Not to compete with others, but to see what others say about it when they find it.

 

Now if one person lies or cheats, it doesn't impact me.

 

But if most of the logs were false, and I knew that, it would spoil that aspect of the game for me. It would not and could not take away the enjoyment I had finding any specific cache. But it would hurt the game.

 

Today I would say the vast majority of logs (say 95%) are genuine honest.

 

Imagine the game where 95% of the logs were false.

 

So I think Thomas's point is that truthful logging makes the game better in general.

[cezanne]

this game is hardly a one man game, might be for 1 out of 1000 but in general it is not,

there are ways to hide your stats details, but not your total find or score if you want to call it that,

then there are ways to simply not log anything online, do it in a pocket book or your own offline computer,

THEN you can play your own game, offcourse you also must not read anything about what others do or dont

and you must stay away from any kinds of challenge cache types, and you must stop to compare anything you have done with anyone else.. in real life it is impossible to stop to compare..

 

As I said before, I'm not playing a game at all. I will definitely not stop to log online and to read logs of others since reports about the hiking experience, the difficulty of the terrain and other aspects are very important to me. The availability of this type of information is the main advantage for me over hiking guide literature and internet portals that collect hiking tours.

 

We are designed as compeditive persons, it is actually a good thing

then people try harder and improve their skils, this is why we stopped beeing monkeys..

 

I use geocaching to relax from my work and to reduce my stress level. As I'm regarded, there is no space for competition in my relationship to geocaching. I have to be competitive in work anyway. I have no interest in improving my skills when I go out for geocaching. I just want to avoid to sit around too much and enjoy a few peaceful hours out in the nature.

 

I will certainly never ever check whether the online log dates match with the log dates in the log books of my owned caches. That's simply a waste of time for me.

 

 

if you play this game, you also call your self a geocacher

all others also call them self geocachers, so this means we are all called the same,

if more and more people are alloved to cast a bad light on geocaching due to dishonost lying behaviour,

it will also fall back to the honost players.

 

Actually, I'm so much more concerned about geocachers who write on walls to sign (caches where there is no container and no log book and one is supposed to write on the wall), ignore driving prohibitions, visit caches at night to become the first finders even if the cache hider asks for day time visits only etc.

 

FTF races, the wish to find as many caches per day as possible and other competitive goals lead to a geocaching behaviour that really hurts geocaching the long run, regardless of one's attitude towards geocaching.

 

Personally, I would never have allowed power trails and I would never have allowed challenge caches that are related to competitive aspects of geocaching.

 

Cezanne

Edited July 2, 2013 by cezanne

[+OZ2CPU]

exactly redsox that is what I ment :-)

 

To Cezanne

I think we must just learn to accept the competive part of it

is what make the kicks for many/some people

[cezanne]

To Cezanne

I think we must just learn to accept the competive part of it

is what make the kicks for many/some people

[cezanne]

To Cezanne

I think we must just learn to accept the competive part of it

is what make the kicks for many/some people

 

There is a difference between accepting that geocaching has a large competitive component for many and between requiring everyone to do whatever competitive geocachers would like to have. If others go for FTF-hunts, aim for record streaks or do whatever they like, that's up to them. In the same as I never will provide FTF certificates, I will never check dates in the log books of my owned geocaches.

 

The competitive cachers do not care at all that they often destroy the fun for those who cache just for relaxation. Why should I care whether someone feels inhibted in his/her competitive approach to geocaching? Groundspeak is not my company.

 

To be honest, if I could choose between someone who logs each of 25 caches of a series online on a different day, but visits all caches at the same day and someone who drives by car 25 days in succession 30km just to find one of those caches per day (i.e. not work related drives), I prefer the first variant. Using wrong dates in logs is less harmful from my point of view than the environmental impact of too many useless drives by cars. Of course, personally I neither would log the 25 caches with wrong dates nor would I return 25 times to the same location by car.

 

Cezanne

[+OZ2CPU]

I just say the guideline actually ask you as a CO to check and delete logs you belive to be spoofs..

I also dont check log dates, since the guideline dont require a log to contain a date or the correct date for that matter,

it does how ever require a NAME, is that name there, I am happy.. is it NOT there, and I can see all numbered pages are still there

they might just have forgot to write in the log, no matter what I can rightfully delete their log.

Edited July 2, 2013 by OZ2CPU

[+Don_J]

I just say the guideline actually ask you as a CO to check and delete logs you belive to be spoofs..

I also dont check log dates, since the guideline dont require a log to contain a date or the correct date for that matter,

it does how ever require a NAME, is that name there, I am happy.. is it NOT there, and I can see all numbered pages are still there

they might just have forgot to write in the log, no matter what I can rightfully delete their log.

 

Delete whatever logs that you want off of your caches. That's a whole different issue. What I questioned was this idea that you were somehow duty bound to report and embarrass this fellow in from of his peers because you think that what he is doing somehow affects your ability to have fun.

 

There is a 365 calendar grid challenge not to far from me. When I completed the grid, I went and found the cache. I had fun doing so. The fact that some of the 50 cachers that found it before me may or may not have cheated, had absolutely nothing to do with my ability to have fun.

[+Ma & Pa]

What I questioned was this idea that you were somehow duty bound to report and embarrass this fellow in from of his peers because you think that what he is doing somehow affects your ability to have fun.

 

 

Yep. That is what got to me also. Why would I want to embarrass a fellow cacher who may be a socially active cacher in the local caching community. Sounds a bit like bullying

[4wheelin_fool]

What I questioned was this idea that you were somehow duty bound to report and embarrass this fellow in from of his peers because you think that what he is doing somehow affects your ability to have fun.

 

Yep. That is what got to me also. Why would I want to embarrass a fellow cacher who may be a socially active cacher in the local caching community. Sounds a bit like bullying

 

I agree.

 

I believe outing someone for something so silly could reveal a much deeper character flaw than the person fudging dates.

[+NanCycle]

Why would I want to embarrass a fellow cacher who may be a socially active cacher in the local caching community. Sounds a bit like bullying

 

What difference does it make whether the cacher is socially active in the local caching community or not? Bullying a loner is still bullying. And lying is still lying.

[Clan Riffster]

this game is hardly a one man game, might be for 1 out of 1000 but in general it is not,

Whether you play this game entirely on your own, or you thoroughly embrace the social aspects, has no bearing on the conversation at hand. If you complete a Fizzy Challenge, and log an applicable cache, chances are you will have fun doing so. If you discover, either before or after logging your find, that I logged the same cache, but did not properly complete the challenge, will that make your enjoyment less?

 

there are ways to hide your stats details, but not your total find or score if you want to call it that,

then there are ways to simply not log anything online, do it in a pocket book or your own offline computer,

THEN you can play your own game, offcourse you also must not read anything about what others do or dont

and you must stay away from any kinds of challenge cache types, and you must stop to compare anything you have done with anyone else.

That doesn't compute.

If I were to withdraw entirely, my contributions to the social aspects of this hobby, such as logging online, I am still free to browse the logs of other players, should I choose to do so. Not that I ever would stop logging online, as it's one of my favorite aspects of the hobby, but I could, and doing so would not prohibit me from reading logs or even completing challenges.

 

in real life it is impossible to stop to compare.

Actually, it is amazingly simply. You just make a choice not to compare.

I've been doing that for decades, in all aspects of my recreation.

 

We are designed as compeditive persons, it is actually a good thing

Correction: You are a competitive person. I am not. I use my time outdoors to reconnect with my inner self, as a form of spiritual reboot. Adding competition to that would add unnecessary stressors, which would, for me, diminish the reason I head out into nature. Back when I was an active fisherman, I belonged to a local club which offered education, a sense of community, and competition, in the form of tournaments. In a funny twist of fate, I, (the person who least enjoyed tournaments), was named Tournament Director. SMH...

 

then people try harder and improve their skils, this is why we stopped beeing monkeys..

We stopped being monkeys because The Flying Spaghetti Monster, in His infinite wisdom, reached out with His noodly appendage and touched us, lifting us from our simian ancestors. He did this so we might evolve into Pirates, and quaff copious quantities of fermented beverages, in celebration of His awesomeness. Competition had nothing to do with it.

 

Darwin is a blasphemer!

 

but still it is possible in the long run to ruin the game, if too many people cheat and lie.

It was decided almost a decade ago that Snoogans was going to ruin the game. Not lying.

 

if you play this game, you also call your self a geocacher

I prefer to call myself a Pastafarian. It's fun to say, and earns me quirky looks.

 

I prefer to be able to call my self a geocacher with a proud feeling, we belong to a honost group of non lyers

We belong to a community of human beings. In any group of human beings, most will be essentially honest. A few will be dishonest. This is as inevitable as death and taxes. Whilst I would never suggest accepting bad behavior, I will say that allowing the actions of others to affect our perception of the hobby, is a path leading to gobs of unhappy thoughts.

[+Mudfrog]

I am currently in day 427 of my streak.

 

In my area, it really isn't too hard to do, but even so I did consider fudging the dates on some finds so I could take a day or two off if I wanted to. It would have been really easy considering the number of 'initials only' caches around here.

 

I decided my personal integrity was worth more than that, and the day it was too much trouble to go out and make a find would be the end of my streak.

 

I might consider letting the owner of the streak challenge know what was happening, but really, if the person wants to fool themselves like that, let them. THEY are the ones who will have to live with the knowledge that they really DIDN'T complete the challenge (if they ever really do).

 

You could just do what one of our local streakers has resorted to. Cache for ten minutes every two days. Start at 11:55 pm and finish at 12:05 am, the next day.

 

I don't have the wish or stamina to go for a streak but i did want to challenge myself to getting at least one cache on each calendar day. There were a few times when i decided to kill two birds with one stone by getting one before midnight and one after. Gave myself an hour the first time i did that and wouldn't ya know it, i had two dnfs before i made a find. I was kinda panicky when i finally made a find about 5 mintues before midnight on that trip. Needless to say, i made sure to go out a bit earlier the next couple of times.

[+A & J Tooling]

I have over 1000 to log online and a journal in my car with dates. Sometimes those dates are off by 1 day if my ailing memory screws up. So sue me. It's a game. Lighten up.

[+OZ2CPU]

AJ you mix things up a bit..

I say manipulating is the same as intentionally change or fix things from what is known to be true

by the person who do it, this is also called lying..

if you screw up a date, unintentinally by mistake, it is just a mistake, not a lie,

it is ok to do mistakes

[+Barnacle Bear]

If you lie to yourself who can you believe?

[team tisri]

I did once do a series where I started out writing the 24th ('cos I thought that was the date), part way round I noticed the previous logger had written the 25th and I realised I had got the wrong date and started writing the 25th, but then before I got to the end of the series I realised the ACTUAL date was the 26th (I blame it on old age), so entered that on the rest of the caches; but I logged them all online with the correct date and explained I was an idiot in the logs.

 

I once realised I'd been time travelling again when I logged a cache on the 26th of the month, got home and logged it on the site, and subsequently noticed a log from the 25th asking how I'd managed to get to the cache tomorrow. Turned out I'd been out on the 24th and just got the date wrong.

 

Sometimes if I've been for a few days I've got muddled which days I found caches and which days I didn't. It's easily done.

 

Regarding the caching streak challenges I can't help thinking any challenge that can be cheated so easily becomes pointless. If you want to fill the calendar there's no way anyone else will know if you cheated for a few days, if you want a caching streak and know you won't find any tomorrow it's easy enough to find two today and claim one tomorrow and so on. The trouble with things like extended streaks is that the longer it runs the greater the incentive to cheat to hit the target. My record is 10 days and that was more luck than planning but if I'd done 353 consecutive days and then realised I'd missed a single day I'm sure I'd be inclined to just fudge the date than start over from 0.

[team tisri]

If you lie to yourself who can you believe?

 

Anyone, if you lie to yourself at least you know when you're lying

[+L0ne.R]

If you lie to yourself who can you believe?

 

It's just a recreational past time. I think we're making too big a deal about dates. If challenges didn't exist, it wouldn't matter.

[Clan Riffster]

If you lie to yourself who can you believe?

Typing in really big letters does not make a point more, or less, valid. It only makes your message annoying.

Edited July 14, 2013 by Clan Riffster

[+Don_J]

I did once do a series where I started out writing the 24th ('cos I thought that was the date), part way round I noticed the previous logger had written the 25th and I realised I had got the wrong date and started writing the 25th, but then before I got to the end of the series I realised the ACTUAL date was the 26th (I blame it on old age), so entered that on the rest of the caches; but I logged them all online with the correct date and explained I was an idiot in the logs.

 

I once realised I'd been time travelling again when I logged a cache on the 26th of the month, got home and logged it on the site, and subsequently noticed a log from the 25th asking how I'd managed to get to the cache tomorrow. Turned out I'd been out on the 24th and just got the date wrong.

 

Sometimes if I've been for a few days I've got muddled which days I found caches and which days I didn't. It's easily done.

 

Regarding the caching streak challenges I can't help thinking any challenge that can be cheated so easily becomes pointless. If you want to fill the calendar there's no way anyone else will know if you cheated for a few days, if you want a caching streak and know you won't find any tomorrow it's easy enough to find two today and claim one tomorrow and so on. The trouble with things like extended streaks is that the longer it runs the greater the incentive to cheat to hit the target. My record is 10 days and that was more luck than planning but if I'd done 353 consecutive days and then realised I'd missed a single day I'm sure I'd be inclined to just fudge the date than start over from 0.

 

And that lands squarely on you. Such challenges are not pointless to those that do them fairly.

 

I remember looking forward to completing my date grid in the following month, then realizing that I had missed a day in the month previous. Eleven months later, I finally completed it. Manipulating the dates was not an option that I was willing to take.

 

Curiously though, I do cheat at solitaire.

[+Trucker Lee]

There is series of caches in forming a loop that runs from the edge of the city into the desert and back again. These caches are in close proximetry to each other and can all be found within 3 hours if you have a 4x4. What we have picked up is a Tourist cacher has been logging each of these caches on a different date in order to qualify for a difficult challenge cache in his home country of 300 days of consecutive caching. Looking at his Matrix and caches he has logged it appears he has been doing this for quite a perios of time.

 

I removed all logs from caches and have some logs sheets where he is logging in the future?

 

I feel he is playing unfair on cachers that realy work hard to achieve mile stone while he does it all from the comfort of his living room.

 

What would you do?

You didn't sign the paper inside (or mark a physical presence in another way), you didn't find it. Armchair logs should be deleted.

[+bflentje]

If you lie to yourself who can you believe?

Typing in really big letters does not make a point more, or less, valid. It only makes your message annoying.

 

And the replies too.

[team tisri]

I did once do a series where I started out writing the 24th ('cos I thought that was the date), part way round I noticed the previous logger had written the 25th and I realised I had got the wrong date and started writing the 25th, but then before I got to the end of the series I realised the ACTUAL date was the 26th (I blame it on old age), so entered that on the rest of the caches; but I logged them all online with the correct date and explained I was an idiot in the logs.

 

I once realised I'd been time travelling again when I logged a cache on the 26th of the month, got home and logged it on the site, and subsequently noticed a log from the 25th asking how I'd managed to get to the cache tomorrow. Turned out I'd been out on the 24th and just got the date wrong.

 

Sometimes if I've been for a few days I've got muddled which days I found caches and which days I didn't. It's easily done.

 

Regarding the caching streak challenges I can't help thinking any challenge that can be cheated so easily becomes pointless. If you want to fill the calendar there's no way anyone else will know if you cheated for a few days, if you want a caching streak and know you won't find any tomorrow it's easy enough to find two today and claim one tomorrow and so on. The trouble with things like extended streaks is that the longer it runs the greater the incentive to cheat to hit the target. My record is 10 days and that was more luck than planning but if I'd done 353 consecutive days and then realised I'd missed a single day I'm sure I'd be inclined to just fudge the date than start over from 0.

 

And that lands squarely on you. Such challenges are not pointless to those that do them fairly.

 

I remember looking forward to completing my date grid in the following month, then realizing that I had missed a day in the month previous. Eleven months later, I finally completed it. Manipulating the dates was not an option that I was willing to take.

 

You get to play it any way you want to, I'm just surprised that challenges where the "achievement" can be so easily faked appear so popular.

 

As a rule when I go caching I'm more interested in finding the boxes than I am in worrying about whether I found enough caches this month or enough small caches on a Thursday or whatever else is required for some of the more obscure ones. I do find it an interesting concept when souvenirs are awarded for something that can be so easily faked - if I claim to have found a cache in a particular location the owner could check the cache log and confirm whether or not I was actually there. If I claim to have found a cache on August 14 there's no way of knowing whether I really found it on the 14th, or whether I pre- or post-dated a log from another day.

 

Curiously though, I do cheat at solitaire.

 

Interesting, strict adherence to one set of rules but not another...

[Clan Riffster]

If you lie to yourself who can you believe?

Typing in really big letters does not make a point more, or less, valid. It only makes your message annoying.

 

And the replies too.

Yup. I'm busted.

[+CGarv]

Hey, if Texas politicians can change the date & time of a vote, why can't cachers change the date/time of a log?

 

<sarcasm off>

 

Listen, bub - if you're going to do that, do it correctly. It SHOULD be:

 

</sarcasm>

 

 

(Anybody want to guess what the 'edit' was?

Of course, I originally typed "<\sarcasm>".

What a dope. Way to ruin your own joke, Bill.)

 

I think it would be

 

<sarcasm>

 

Random Text Here

 

</sarcasm>

 

Hahaha jk. I love HTML!

 

Back on topic... Logging you cache finds on a different day really gets on my nerves. Idk why, it is one of my pet peeves. Dont do it!!!!

[+ras_oscar]

To the OP; there's not much that can be done. If one were serious about fnatasy dates, one could sign the log with no date and fill in whatever they wished later, posting all the online logs after the fact.

[Clan Riffster]

To the OP; there's not much that can be done. If one were serious about fantasy dates, one could sign the log with no date and fill in whatever they wished later, posting all the online logs after the fact.

Reading this gave me a scary thought. Lately, it seems like any sport is susceptible to fakery. We've got fake, (fantasy), football, fake baseball, fake NASCAR, fake hockey, fake soccer... How long until there is a fantasy geocaching league?

[+Team Microdot]

To the OP; there's not much that can be done. If one were serious about fantasy dates, one could sign the log with no date and fill in whatever they wished later, posting all the online logs after the fact.

Reading this gave me a scary thought. Lately, it seems like any sport is susceptible to fakery. We've got fake, (fantasy), football, fake baseball, fake NASCAR, fake hockey, fake soccer... How long until there is a fantasy geocaching league?

 

No time at all - it's already alive and well

[+cheech gang]

To the OP; there's not much that can be done. If one were serious about fantasy dates, one could sign the log with no date and fill in whatever they wished later, posting all the online logs after the fact.

Reading this gave me a scary thought. Lately, it seems like any sport is susceptible to fakery. We've got fake, (fantasy), football, fake baseball, fake NASCAR, fake hockey, fake soccer... How long until there is a fantasy geocaching league?

 

No time at all - it's already alive and well

 

There is a local person who has logged over 500 caches over the past 4 years. He has never looked for a cache and has never opened a container. Most of us eventually gave up deleteing his "finds". They always say "ignore him and eventually he'll go away". Doesn't always apply.

[+Don_J]

I did once do a series where I started out writing the 24th ('cos I thought that was the date), part way round I noticed the previous logger had written the 25th and I realised I had got the wrong date and started writing the 25th, but then before I got to the end of the series I realised the ACTUAL date was the 26th (I blame it on old age), so entered that on the rest of the caches; but I logged them all online with the correct date and explained I was an idiot in the logs.

 

I once realised I'd been time travelling again when I logged a cache on the 26th of the month, got home and logged it on the site, and subsequently noticed a log from the 25th asking how I'd managed to get to the cache tomorrow. Turned out I'd been out on the 24th and just got the date wrong.

 

Sometimes if I've been for a few days I've got muddled which days I found caches and which days I didn't. It's easily done.

 

Regarding the caching streak challenges I can't help thinking any challenge that can be cheated so easily becomes pointless. If you want to fill the calendar there's no way anyone else will know if you cheated for a few days, if you want a caching streak and know you won't find any tomorrow it's easy enough to find two today and claim one tomorrow and so on. The trouble with things like extended streaks is that the longer it runs the greater the incentive to cheat to hit the target. My record is 10 days and that was more luck than planning but if I'd done 353 consecutive days and then realised I'd missed a single day I'm sure I'd be inclined to just fudge the date than start over from 0.

 

And that lands squarely on you. Such challenges are not pointless to those that do them fairly.

 

I remember looking forward to completing my date grid in the following month, then realizing that I had missed a day in the month previous. Eleven months later, I finally completed it. Manipulating the dates was not an option that I was willing to take.

 

You get to play it any way you want to, I'm just surprised that challenges where the "achievement" can be so easily faked appear so popular.

 

As a rule when I go caching I'm more interested in finding the boxes than I am in worrying about whether I found enough caches this month or enough small caches on a Thursday or whatever else is required for some of the more obscure ones. I do find it an interesting concept when souvenirs are awarded for something that can be so easily faked - if I claim to have found a cache in a particular location the owner could check the cache log and confirm whether or not I was actually there. If I claim to have found a cache on August 14 there's no way of knowing whether I really found it on the 14th, or whether I pre- or post-dated a log from another day.

 

Curiously though, I do cheat at solitaire.

 

Interesting, strict adherence to one set of rules but not another...

 

Not really cheating. After I lose, then I find out why I lost. Mythbusters fans will understand the concept. The bigger difference is that I don't go on a public website and declare that I won at Solitaire when in fact, I cheated.

[+evanmars]

if there are no rules or regulations or people who check and complain -

then too many will cheat, and in the end ruin the game for all fair players,

so if you feel very sure someone cheat, ask, check, complain, and even delete logs..

this way you are a little minor part of the ones who help keep this game more true and fair

and in the end more fun..

 

I must be playing a different Geocaching game than you.

I never realized it was a competitive sport.

Not sure how someone cheating themselves has any effect on me at all.

[+SwineFlew]

We will see a jump of cachers using this method next month.

 

 

Edited July 16, 2013 by SwineFlew

[team tisri]

 

Curiously though, I do cheat at solitaire.

 

Interesting, strict adherence to one set of rules but not another...

 

Not really cheating. After I lose, then I find out why I lost. Mythbusters fans will understand the concept. The bigger difference is that I don't go on a public website and declare that I won at Solitaire when in fact, I cheated.

 

A key similarity is, I suspect, that few if any other users of the web site really care if you cheated or not.

 

I know I'd struggle to care if someone got a date-based souvenir when they'd actually found a cache the day before or the day after. If the system issuing the souvenirs is written in a way that makes cheating so easy it's hard to be surprised if people cheat. The problem is with silly goals that can't be accurately measured more than the people who figure they can find two caches on Monday and claim one of them on Tuesday.

[+L0ne.R]

if there are no rules or regulations or people who check and complain -

then too many will cheat, and in the end ruin the game for all fair players,

so if you feel very sure someone cheat, ask, check, complain, and even delete logs..

this way you are a little minor part of the ones who help keep this game more true and fair

and in the end more fun..

 

I must be playing a different Geocaching game than you.

I never realized it was a competitive sport.

Not sure how someone cheating themselves has any effect on me at all.

 

+1

[Mr.Yuck]

To the OP; there's not much that can be done. If one were serious about fantasy dates, one could sign the log with no date and fill in whatever they wished later, posting all the online logs after the fact.

Reading this gave me a scary thought. Lately, it seems like any sport is susceptible to fakery. We've got fake, (fantasy), football, fake baseball, fake NASCAR, fake hockey, fake soccer... How long until there is a fantasy geocaching league?

 

No time at all - it's already alive and well

 

There is a local person who has logged over 500 caches over the past 4 years. He has never looked for a cache and has never opened a container. Most of us eventually gave up deleteing his "finds". They always say "ignore him and eventually he'll go away". Doesn't always apply.

 

This is an emotionally stable adult, and not some kid? There was a famous case where Groundspeak got involved, and wiped out the finds of a retired guy (whom I really do believe was traveling the Country) but he was just logging everything he drove within a couple miles of. It was totally obvious he wasn't really visiting the caches, and there were threads about him not only here, but in several regional Geocaching forums of areas he passed through. A couple thousand finds in about a year, I believe it was. They might get involved in something like you describe. Would the guy keep relogging if deleted?

[+mogasman]

Do nothing. As long the logs are signed, there is nothing you can do about it.

 

Of course there is. You could publicly out him and make him the laughing stock of his peers..., or, you could do nothing.

 

Wow, what an outstanding idea! LOL. Jeez and to think I waste my time looking at dribble like this.

[+Grasmere Duo]

Meh...I am dealing with a similar circumstance. A local cacher found three of my new caches and had the audacity to send me a note, thanking me for the caches, but he wasn't going to log them yet, so he could use them to fill his grid. I mean, doing it on your own is one thing, but blatantly admitting to doing it makes it all the more lame in my eyes. Some time passed from his note to me until a recent "found" log on one of my three caches. His log mentions that he's thankful to me "for placing some easy P&G's along the way that can be grabbed in a hurry on days when a cache is needed."

 

He "found" them but did he sign the log when he found them?

 

I do that sometimes, I will find an easy P & G but wait until I need to keep a streak or fill in a calendar day and then I go back and actually sign the log that day. You may have misunderstood his intent. Check the sigs on the log maybe so you can see that he really did play the game as intended.

[+Mudfrog]

Meh...I am dealing with a similar circumstance. A local cacher found three of my new caches and had the audacity to send me a note, thanking me for the caches, but he wasn't going to log them yet, so he could use them to fill his grid. I mean, doing it on your own is one thing, but blatantly admitting to doing it makes it all the more lame in my eyes. Some time passed from his note to me until a recent "found" log on one of my three caches. His log mentions that he's thankful to me "for placing some easy P&G's along the way that can be grabbed in a hurry on days when a cache is needed."

 

He "found" them but did he sign the log when he found them?

 

I do that sometimes, I will find an easy P & G but wait until I need to keep a streak or fill in a calendar day and then I go back and actually sign the log that day. You may have misunderstood his intent. Check the sigs on the log maybe so you can see that he really did play the game as intended.

 

Yea, signing the log is a requirement for me before i log a find on a cache. But prelocating a cache then going back later to sign the log isn't something i'd ever think about doing.

[+Snoogans]

but still it is possible in the long run to ruin the game, if too many people cheat and lie.

It was decided almost a decade ago that Snoogans was going to ruin the game. Not lying.

 

I will love it and love it and hug it and stroke it.... Till it don't move no more...