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13 hours ago, HoochDog said:

I see more and more COs outright asking that you award their caches favorite points in their cache descriptions and I just find it tacky and needy and it makes me far less likely to do so.  

 

Yep.  Once in a while we'll get one emailing too.  "Such a nice log, why not give me a FP  ;)  " kinda thing.

If they aren't okay hides, I'll skip theirs entirely the rare time that happens.

I try to write a nice log for everyone,  and sometimes I might even say "this container/hide type is one of my favorites", but neither means I'm automatically gonna hand someone a FP.

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13 hours ago, HoochDog said:

I see more and more COs outright asking that you award their caches favorite points in their cache descriptions and I just find it tacky and needy and it makes me far less likely to do so.  

Not just geocaches. Adventure Labs too. Although now I understand why they do it, given that HQ might award them another AL based on their current AL ratings.

Still, I don't like it.

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34 minutes ago, cerberus1 said:

 

Yep.  Once in a while we'll get one emailing too.  "Such a nice log, why not give me a FP  ;)  " kinda thing.

If they aren't okay hides, I'll skip theirs entirely the rare time that happens.

I try to write a nice log for everyone,  and sometimes I might even say "this container/hide type is one of my favorites", but neither means I'm automatically gonna hand someone a FP.

 

I usually avoid nano's.  I was working this really swell multi in a smallish town and the final was a nano.  So this little nano was on a fence that fenced off some historical equipment near a historical building.  Somehow I dropped the lid and this was the fall (well, winter in Texas - not much different) and the area was covered in leaves.  I contacted the CO and told him I would replace it and I did in a reasonable time (if only I had carried nano's in my cache repair kit then - I do now.)  Anyway, he did ask me for a favorite, which I was kinda surprised about.  It deserved one anyway so no big deal.

 

https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC77MFZ_hubbard-hub-bub-featuring-tris-speakers-grave

 

 

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7 hours ago, Goldenwattle said:

It was just childish, your reactions are rather prudish. Such things can be seen in some less talented (what I think of as, loser) graffiti for instance.

 

It's the regional differences again. I wouldn't even think twice about this. There's worse stuff sprayed on walls/bridges. The kids can see it argument means nothing, just listen to kids when they think no adults are around ;) (not all though).

 

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5 hours ago, on4bam said:
13 hours ago, Goldenwattle said:

It was just childish, your reactions are rather prudish. Such things can be seen in some less talented (what I think of as, loser) graffiti for instance.

 

It's the regional differences again. I wouldn't even think twice about this. There's worse stuff sprayed on walls/bridges. The kids can see it argument means nothing, just listen to kids when they think no adults are around ;) (not all though).

 

LOL. One thing NEVER been accused of in life is being prude. 

I don't drop the f-bomb or other choice words around my granddaughter. I also don't excuse poor behavior of one person (referring to the cache loggers) by pointing out the poor behavior of others. If worse stuff was sprayed on something I owned, Id paint over it as soon as possable.

I try to be better than those "others" But I'm only human. Sometimes I'm not.

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On 6/30/2020 at 6:30 AM, baer2006 said:

And if you say, that you're not always online or caching with a GPSr only, you're an old dinosaur ...

That would be us!  No data on our phone - no internet in our camper.  We’ll deal with it when we get home.  You do realize new dinosaurs eventually become old dinosaurs, right?!!  😄

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5 hours ago, Ewe&Me said:
On ‎6‎/‎30‎/‎2020 at 2:30 AM, baer2006 said:

And if you say, that you're not always online or caching with a GPSr only, you're an old dinosaur ...

That would be us!  No data on our phone - no internet in our camper.  We’ll deal with it when we get home.  You do realize new dinosaurs eventually become old dinosaurs, right?!!  😄

And the largest predator ever was "an old dinosaur".

 

As I would joke with the kids back when I worked with teens "you may get bigger than me, you may get stronger than me, but you'll never get more vicious than me - I have a lot more practice!" :D So watch out for us "old dinosaurs".

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On 7/25/2020 at 1:39 PM, The Jester said:

And the largest predator ever was "an old dinosaur".

 

As I would joke with the kids back when I worked with teens "you may get bigger than me, you may get stronger than me, but you'll never get more vicious than me - I have a lot more practice!" :D So watch out for us "old dinosaurs".

 

As my Dad once said to me, "Watch it boy, I'm this old for a reason." 😁

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What irks me?  Events where caches are published at the end of the vent.  Then I have to go home and download them to my GPSr.  Not all of us have cell phones, and this discriminates against us!

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What irks me is when caches are published for an event (either immediately after, or during the event itself). It discourages the socialization that the event is supposed to promote, by encouraging people to leave so they can find the new caches.

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39 minutes ago, Harry Dolphin said:

What irks me?  Events where caches are published at the end of the vent.  Then I have to go home and download them to my GPSr.  Not all of us have cell phones, and this discriminates against us!

We don't like events but the few we attended had laptops available to copy GPX files to USB drive and to export to GPS. There was also a "roadbook" in case people want to manually enter coordinates. Caches were typically published when the event was over.

 

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26 minutes ago, niraD said:

What irks me is when caches are published for an event (either immediately after, or during the event itself).

It discourages the socialization that the event is supposed to promote, by encouraging people to leave so they can find the new caches.

Yep.

Many local events had at least one or two new caches to find afterwards.  Printed on paper in the beginning.

One realized that some haven't caught up to, or care to do the sorta-smartphone thing, and would patiently read them out.   :)

People running as soon as they got coordinates, one time before a very important part of an event, finally got them to give info out after everything else (including trash pickup and equipment) was done.  It was always the same people too.  

Many times it would be a coinflip between a few of us, on who was gonna eat their cake.   :D

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you claim you found it and you say it took a while to find the path, but you did not have time to sign the log - really, so you could have spent 10 mins looking for GZ, but you did not have time to sign the log ???

clearly this is wrong

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Reminds me a little bit of a log I got today. "I didn't have a pencil with me so you'll have to accept a photo as proof."

 

I do?

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2 hours ago, Clongo_Rongo said:

you claim you found it and you say it took a while to find the path, but you did not have time to sign the log - really, so you could have spent 10 mins looking for GZ, but you did not have time to sign the log ???

clearly this is wrong

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Easy...delete. "Like you I didn't have time; in my case to ask you for a description of the cache, hide and log and the photographic proof, so it was quicker to just delete your log. Must be terribly difficult to actually get off the canal boat, needing to tie it up each time, even when there is no where to tie it. Much easier to stay on and just log the caches you sail past."

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3 minutes ago, tbbiker said:

Not being able to drag and drop those souvenirs that Groundspeak keep pushing.  Come on Groundspeak:  Maybe I want them organized in any other way that alphabetical. 

Use the tampermonkey script GClh II. It lets you sort A-Z, Z-A, newest first, oldest first.

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49 minutes ago, tbbiker said:

Not having a "thumbs down" button for a geocache.

 

You do - it's called a "Needs Maintenance" or a "Write Note" log.

In this hobby, why would you want to anonymously trash someone's creation with no explanation?

This ain't the internet, you know. Have enough respect for a CO to explain what you don't like and sign your work.

 

 

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1 hour ago, tbbiker said:

I disagree.  You can currently give a cache a favorite point if you really like it, but nothing if the cache is substandard.  I say they should do away with the favorite points and have a thumbs up and a thumbs down button instead.  This will be a lot more useful to cachers because they then can determine if they want to go to a cache with a lot of thumbs up or thumbs down points attached to it.  Plus, it will motivate CO's to place more quality caches because no one wants a number of thumbs down attached to their cache.  To answer you question:  It is not trashing, but constructive criticism which should be elaborated on in the actual log. 

 

You can disagree, but so do I. You say "which should be elaborated on in the actual log", but let's be real; you know in general people won't. In fact, the thumbs down would become the entirety of many logs, in the same annoying (to me) way that so many just say "tftc", or increasingly now, a thumbs-up emoji. Adding a 'down' would just make that an official, approved mechanism.

There's a strong feeling in this community to prevent this from morphing into social media concepts and practices. I don't mean that everyone thinks that way, but I say 'strong' because those that care strongly about it seem to come down on that side of the issue. That's based on LOTS of forum threads on the subject.

In my eyes we should be promoting real communication and feedback between us, and not just short-cutting another class of interaction.

 

You say that it'll help keep people from searching for caches that are no good - what you're saying is that you want to allow any group of people, with NO context and NO indication as to the actual experience they had to destroy my cache's prospects on a whim.   

  • I'm a new cacher and couldn't find this easy cache - thumbs down.
  • It's raining and I didn't have fun - thumbs down.
  • I slipped in the mud - thumbs down.
  • I had an argument on the trail with my boyfriend or girlfriend - thumbs down.
  • There was garbage strewn around - thumbs down.
  • I was there with a group of ten people and that one guy hogged the cache and didn't let any of us touch it - NINE thumbs-down!
  • There wasn't enough swag in it - thumbs-down.
  • There was a minor maintenance issue, like, maybe the log is full - thumbs-down. (Which brings up another issue - it's hard enough to get people to file a NM log - being able to down-thumb a cache would deteriorate NM logs even more!)
  • The cache page is badly spelled, or formatted, or I don't know how to solve the puzzle - thumbs-down.
  • I don't like nanos, or guardrails, or lampposts, or Altoids tins - thumbs-down.

 

How would I get a TD removed? If I clean up the garbage or replace the log or dry the mud, how do I get you to UN-downthumb my cache? Will it be forever tainted by someone's casual, thoughtless click?

 

This is my relaxing hobby. I put out a few caches on a couple of Saturday afternoons because I want to share my efforts or a pretty view, not to feed someone else's obsession. It would be the height of stupidity for GS, a company that depends on the work of player-volunteers, to build in a mechanism to allow players to quickly ignore my caches without even giving them a second glance simply because someone else didn't like them.

 

Don't think it would promote better caches. The people who would care are probably ALREADY the people with better caches.

 

If you want to simply say to others who may come after you, "Skip This One", then as I said before, explain yourself and sign your work.

 

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1 hour ago, tbbiker said:

Plus, it will motivate CO's to place more quality caches because no one wants a number of thumbs down attached to their cache.

 

Nope.  Those thumb down ratings won't make a CO who doesn't do maintenance do anything different than they already do now, just like a thumb up rating won't encourage COs to work harder to maintain their caches.

 

1 hour ago, tbbiker said:

This will be a lot more useful to cachers because.....

 

So a thumb up or a thumb down is more useful than a favorite point?  I would think they'd probably be less useful, particularly the thumb down, because there's no context provided unless they add the information (negative or positive) in the log, which is what is already in play with what we've got now.  Seems to me this is a solution looking for a problem.

 

21 minutes ago, TeamRabbitRun said:

but nothing if the cache is substandard

 

I write as bland a log as possible or as descriptive as possible with all the issues I encountered.  The logs provide so much more information than a simple thumb up or down, assuming a log is written to share your experience, either positive or negative.  If there's something wrong with the cache, then file the NM (or the NA if an unattended NM log has already been filed).  Also, what you do you consider substandard?  I don't like LPC/GRCs but if they're in good shape, they're not substandard; they're just .....well, there.

 

2 hours ago, tbbiker said:

It is not trashing, but constructive criticism which should be elaborated on in the actual log

 

What type of constructive criticism are you going to provide in your log?

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2 hours ago, tbbiker said:

You can currently give a cache a favorite point if you really like it, but nothing if the cache is substandard. 

 

I say they should do away with the favorite points and have a thumbs up and a thumbs down button instead. 

This will be a lot more useful to cachers because they then can determine if they want to go to a cache with a lot of thumbs up or thumbs down points attached to it.  Plus, it will motivate CO's to place more quality caches because no one wants a number of thumbs down attached to their cache.  To answer you question:  It is not trashing, but constructive criticism which should be elaborated on in the actual log. 

 

First off, I understand that this is your irk.  :)

 

You can favorite one in ten caches you really liked with the system the way it is. 

We're still using accrued FPs from when they first came out (12/10).  

I feel 1 in 10 is reaching, but we see FPs used for FTF, or because the CO's your friend...  Nothing at all to do with that cache...

Most near me look for easy 1.5-2 caches.  I prefer those well-over 2 in terrain. 

I'd "thumbs down" every nondescript roadside cache ... if I did them.  

Others may look at a rope climb, and thumbs-down when they realize they'll never do them (and didn't read the description).

 - Both "thumbs down/up" would be skewed to people's own likes, not having anything to do with the cache itself.

Hey !  That's just like favorite points.  ;)

 

We try to write a nice log on every cache, whether it's a piecea carp or the best seen.

 We limit "constructive criticism" to any issues in our log, and leave a NM if it needs to go further.

The site has already said they won't be negative to a member.  Why you can ignore a cache, but not it's owner.

Attempting to embarrass the CO into putting out "quality" caches is the reason "thumbs down" will never happen...

 

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It irks me when people post something, and then delete the post when others express their disagreement.

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2 hours ago, niraD said:

It irks me when people post something, and then delete the post when others express their disagreement.

Yes, that irks me, too! I'm going to go put a thumbs down on that post....

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1 hour ago, dprovan said:

Yes, that irks me, too! I'm going to go put a thumbs down on that post....

How, if it's deleted?

 

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5 minutes ago, Goldenwattle said:
1 hour ago, dprovan said:

Yes, that irks me, too! I'm going to go put a thumbs down on that post....

How, if it's deleted?

I think @dprovan is just being sarcastic...

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1 hour ago, TmdAndGG said:

 

 

I think @dprovan is just being sarcastic...

I think Goldenwattle was being sarcastic.

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11 hours ago, colleda said:

I think Goldenwattle was being sarcastic.

Maybe they're both being sarcastic;)

Anyways, back to irks.

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11 minutes ago, TmdAndGG said:

Maybe they're both being sarcastic;)

I've never seen irony or sarcasm on these forums and that irks me.

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10 minutes ago, on4bam said:
22 minutes ago, TmdAndGG said:

Maybe they're both being sarcastic;)

I've never seen irony or sarcasm on these forums and that irks me.

Maybe you should read the rest of my post.

 

22 minutes ago, TmdAndGG said:

Maybe they're both being sarcastic;)

Anyways, back to irks.

For real now, back to irks.

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Thin-walled, food-stuffs lid-down containers strapped to trees. 

Fulla water from condensation and capillary action.  Solution ?  Drill a couple holes in that lid...         

 

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This may already have been posted, but I can't go thru 72 pages to try and find.  So, I got really irked today when I went to find 2 mystery caches.  Took some work to solve them, got to the corrected coords, and both were micros in freaking huge fir trees!  I found eventually found them, but I despise "fir tree hides".  That's all!  

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36 minutes ago, GrateBear said:

This may already have been posted, but I can't go thru 72 pages to try and find.  So, I got really irked today when I went to find 2 mystery caches.  Took some work to solve them, got to the corrected coords, and both were micros in freaking huge fir trees!  I found eventually found them, but I despise "fir tree hides".  That's all!  

Here (Central Texas) they are "cedar tree hides" but technically speaking they are "juniper tree hides." 

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47 minutes ago, barefootjeff said:

Today's irk: cachers who urinate in caches. Yes, it happened to one of mine yesterday :bad:.

That's worse than the used nappy I found spread across a cache.

 

I too was very suspicious of the liquid contents of a cache I once found. I handled that very carefully. I think from memory the log had miraculously managed to stay dry. That cache was under a dry rock overhang, so hard to say otherwise, how that got filled with liquid. Some people have the minds of young children. Likely the 'IQ' too.

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41 minutes ago, Goldenwattle said:

I too was very suspicious of the liquid contents of a cache I once found. I handled that very carefully. I think from memory the log had miraculously managed to stay dry. That cache was under a dry rock overhang, so hard to say otherwise, how that got filled with liquid. Some people have the minds of young children. Likely the 'IQ' too.

 

On my one they took everything out of the container before "using" it, leaving the logbook and pencil tucked behind it and perhaps the stash note too although I found that lying on the ground next to the hiding place this morning. It was dry and there'd been rain the night before their find, also it was one I'd checked on just a week ago, so little doubt who was responsible. I disabled the cache and took the container home for a swim in the washing machine, and probably won't put it back out until the culprit's novelty of messing with caches wears off.

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4 hours ago, barefootjeff said:

 

On my one they took everything out of the container before "using" it, leaving the logbook and pencil tucked behind it and perhaps the stash note too although I found that lying on the ground next to the hiding place this morning. It was dry and there'd been rain the night before their find, also it was one I'd checked on just a week ago, so little doubt who was responsible. I disabled the cache and took the container home for a swim in the washing machine, and probably won't put it back out until the culprit's novelty of messing with caches wears off.

Ah yes, I see this cache; GC5H5G2.

I notice your multi has had a recent find too. Have you checked that one?

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Just now, Goldenwattle said:

Ah yes, I see this cache; GC5H5G2.

I notice your multi has had a recent find too. Have you checked that one?

 

Yes I did and it was fine, well at least it seemed fine but I didn't actually check for any liquid in the bottom of its long tube and probably had it upright the whole time so wouldn't have noticed. I was mainly checking that they'd signed the log and put it back properly, which they had. I guess I should go over and do another check on it tomorrow.

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6 hours ago, barefootjeff said:

Today's irk: cachers who urinate in caches. Yes, it happened to one of mine yesterday :bad:.

Only today? That might irk me most days! :D
 

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9 hours ago, barefootjeff said:

Today's irk: cachers who urinate in caches. Yes, it happened to one of mine yesterday :bad:.

I wouldn't call people who do that cachers.

 

But yeah, muggles sometimes do that. In our area, the caches stayed disabled for a month or so, and when they came back, the excreting muggle had lost interest.

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Did a series today and saw that others were about an hour and a half before us. After logging online, I notice they logged too saying they found all (there were 34) except 1. I looked at their latest founds and saw they logged all 34 as found. I then looked at the listing of one of the caches where they logged a find as "we found them all except one (this was it)".

It (still) irks me that people don't log DNF's .....

 

 

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4 minutes ago, on4bam said:

Did a series today and saw that others were about an hour and a half before us. After logging online, I notice they logged too saying they found all (there were 34) except 1. I looked at their latest founds and saw they logged all 34 as found. I then looked at the listing of one of the caches where they logged a find as "we found them all except one (this was it)".

It (still) irks me that people don't log DNF's .....

 

 

If the CO is doing their job, eventually they will catch up on that and delete them. It irks me too that some people won't log DNFs. I been in groups and been the only one to log a DNF. I have on some occasions, listed in my log all the searchers' geo-names who were with me, so if they didn't log their DNF (they didn't), others can see that.

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10 minutes ago, Goldenwattle said:

If the CO is doing their job, eventually they will catch up on that and delete them. It irks me too that some people won't log DNFs. I been in groups and been the only one to log a DNF. I have on some occasions, listed in my log all the searchers' geo-names who were with me, so if they didn't log their DNF (they didn't), others can see that.

 

Yup, I've seen logs like that too. It's always funny to read a group didn't find a cache, one logs a DNF, another one logs a Found it and yet another one logs nothing.

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33 minutes ago, Goldenwattle said:

I been in groups and been the only one to log a DNF. I have on some occasions, listed in my log all the searchers' geo-names who were with me, so if they didn't log their DNF (they didn't), others can see that.


I don’t have a problem with that.  A whole bunch of DNFs from a group doesn’t add much to a listing.  A single DNF mentioning the difficulty experienced by the whole group gets the message across just as well.

 

And we all know that too many DNFs will trigger those pesky CHS emails!  Just so long as nobody is claiming a find.

 

(Personally, though, I like to log all of my DNFs.)

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9 hours ago, niraD said:

I wouldn't call people who do that cachers.

 

But yeah, muggles sometimes do that. In our area, the caches stayed disabled for a month or so, and when they came back, the excreting muggle had lost interest.

 

I'm pretty sure the culprits were cachers, given where the cache is (it's a T3.5 in steep bushland), the way it's concealed and that only a few daylight hours had elapsed between when they logged their find and when I checked on the cache. And yes, the messages they sent me prior to logging their find, repeatedly asking for hints, gave me grounds for wanting to check on that cache as soon as I could. It's also transpired there's a bit of prior history between one of their group and another local cacher.

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2 hours ago, barefootjeff said:

I'm pretty sure the culprits were cachers, given where the cache is (it's a T3.5 in steep bushland), the way it's concealed and that only a few daylight hours had elapsed between when they logged their find and when I checked on the cache. And yes, the messages they sent me prior to logging their find, repeatedly asking for hints, gave me grounds for wanting to check on that cache as soon as I could. It's also transpired there's a bit of prior history between one of their group and another local cacher.

 

This forum definitely needs a "Sad" response... :sad:

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13 hours ago, IceColdUK said:

And we all know that too many DNFs will trigger those pesky CHS emails!

Sometimes I would like it to be triggered faster. A string of DNFs on a 1.5D and nothing seems to happen. I think it's fine, and should happen, if a group can't find a cache if everyone logs a DNF. Five DNFs from a group is five individuals who couldn't find the cache, and I don't see that as any different from five lone visits from geocachers who couldn't find the cache. A low difficulty cache with that many DNFs should have a CO visit, and if I were in a group that couldn't find it, I would be tempted to add a NM as well.

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14 hours ago, IceColdUK said:


I don’t have a problem with that.  A whole bunch of DNFs from a group doesn’t add much to a listing.  A single DNF mentioning the difficulty experienced by the whole group gets the message across just as well.

 

And we all know that too many DNFs will trigger those pesky CHS emails!  Just so long as nobody is claiming a find.

 

(Personally, though, I like to log all of my DNFs.)

 

For me, my DNFs are more a record of my caching history than adding something to a listing, so if I can't find a cache I'll log a DNF whether I'm by myself or in a group. Either way, I was still trying to find it but couldn't. I can also imagine a situation where others in the group log a find but I log a DNF, if for some reason I wasn't able to get myself within signing distance of the log. There was one like that where I baulked at crossing some rapids so stayed behind to photograph the other two making the find on the far shore. I came back a few months later when the water was lower to convert that DNF into a find.

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People posting large images as "status update" on the forums

Very irritating when have the forums open with the "activity" tab.

Ignoring them doesn't hide their status update posts.

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Experienced cachers (i.e., I'm not talking about clueless newbies here), who are incredibly sloppy when it comes to properly logging trackables. They have a bunch of trackables (not their own), auto-log a visit on every cache they find, but don't really bother that they actually log a drop when they physically put a trackable into a cache. Results:

- I more than once found a trackable in a cache, only to find out that virtually it was still in the hands of a cacher ("visting" all their finds), who had logged the cache weeks ago (and had neglected to "drop" the trackable)

- One of my own coins was dropped in a cache, together with a note saying that the coin is not actually in that cache, but that it has been dropped some time before, but the cacher cannot remember where.

 

It's bad enough that trackables get lost in muggled caches, stolen by coin thieves, or taken by newbies who don't know the concept. I don't need experienced cachers who add to all this by not properly logging the trackables.

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When newbies with 2 finds pick up a TB from a cache, then stop caching....

 

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