It's time to make the FTF game legit.

2.8k · March 31, 2013

When a CO creates a new cache they are given an FTF code they put in the cache which a finder then logs on GC.com and is credited with the FTF. The code may only be used by one person.

We can the create a leader board much like cacherstats.com to see who truly is the best FTF hound, no that's my idea of fun.

1.2k · March 31, 2013

Or, they could make FTF geocoins for the first finders to keep as a prize. Only they would be able to register themselves as the owner, and their profile would keep a running total of the number of FTF coins owned. Oh, wait, they already have that.

5.6k · March 31, 2013

Nah, it more fun if the game is illegitimate... :rolleyes:

8k · March 31, 2013

When a CO creates a new cache they are given an FTF code they put in the cache which a finder then logs on GC.com and is credited with the FTF. The code may only be used by one person.

Just what will this FTF code look likee? I want to know so I can send it to my friends who I want to get the FTF credit. Or may yet I won't put it in the cache until its been found a few times. And what if someone does put the FTF code in the cache but the real FTF forgets to use it. Can I use it later if it hasn't been used use yet.

Yeah. This is really going make FTF legit :unsure:

Edited March 31, 2013 by tozainamboku

March 31, 2013

Time to make the FTF game legit?

According to Wikipedia, “Legit” is an “American comedy television series”.

I see that the OP is in Canada, not the US, but I assume that makes it clear that your suggestion is a joke!

7.9k · March 31, 2013

How is obtaining a 'secret code' going to be any more 'legit' than having your name on the first line of the log?

I've had seven geobeers, and I still don't see the point.

Perhaps I need to switch to geobrandy? :unsure:

7.8k · March 31, 2013

When a CO creates a new cache they are given an FTF code they put in the cache which a finder then logs on GC.com and is credited with the FTF. The code may only be used by one person.

You're not the first person to suggest that method, but as Toz pointed out, it just doesn't work. Really, there's only one way the FTF can be determined accurately across-the-board: An impartial 3rd-party has to camp out at GZ for every new cache and record who was the first to find the cache. Any other method has the potential to fall victim to bias or shenanigans by the owner or finders.

Anyway, why is now the time to make it "legit"? Myself and the other FTF hounds in this area are just fine with the way things are right now. Did you get snubbed at a FTF attempt or something?

3.3k · March 31, 2013

When a CO creates a new cache they are given an FTF code they put in the cache which a finder then logs on GC.com and is credited with the FTF. The code may only be used by one person.

Just what will this FTF code look likee? I want to know so I can send it to my friends who I want to get the FTF credit.

Wait, you're going to give the code away? Mwahahahaha!

Two words of advice: Ebay & PayPal.

:laughing:

Guess ya knew this topic would be controversial! You're brave for posting it!

7.8k · March 31, 2013

I've had seven geobeers, and I still don't see the point.

Perhaps I need to switch to geobrandy?

Might want to try the geobourbon. It's stronger.

Wait, you're going to give the code away? Mwahahahaha!

Two words of advice: Ebay & PayPal.

Yeah, I'm sure there are plenty of Germans that would love to buy it.

1.3k · March 31, 2013

I can see it now. People will accuse the CO of giving codes to their friends so they can have a "legit" FTF or a "reserved FTF".

18.9k · March 31, 2013

Thanks I needed to state this again......

FTF and 2 quarters will buy you a Coke at the machine over on Main Street. Come to think of it, the 2 quarters work equally well.

13.7k · March 31, 2013

Groundspeak does recognize FTFs, or they would have thought of another way to explain notifications in their "Benefits of Premium Membership" spiel.

Unlike all the other side-games that have taken over the hobby, this one would probably have to have rules though, not guidelines and that TPTB may not be ready for.

'Course it could be someone thought it was the 1st instead of the 31st too...

2.8k · March 31, 2013

The cheating would be simple to handle, every member would be allowed 1 protest/month that would be thouroughly investigated by GS lackeys and if a CO was found giving out the code they'd be banned for a month as would the fake finder.

2.8k · March 31, 2013

Thanks I needed to state this again......

FTF and 2 quarters will buy you a Coke at the machine over on Main Street. Come to think of it, the 2 quarters work equally well.

I've actually got a $5 timmies card as FTF so that got me two donuts and two coffees, your quarters couldn't do that.

Actually long before I started caching there was a group around here that placed tough caches with FTF prizes and cash in the thousands of dollars. They put out quite a few too.

March 31, 2013

When a CO creates a new cache they are given an FTF code they put in the cache which a finder then logs on GC.com and is credited with the FTF. The code may only be used by one person.

Nice birthday gift :rolleyes:

- or just a gift :rolleyes:

March 31, 2013

This is an early April Fool's joke, right?

9.2k · March 31, 2013

... The code may only be used by one person.

So on a difficult cache, two cachers/cache teams arrive and agree to search together...

Who gets FTF if there's no joint-FTF? :unsure:

Maybe cachers need to toughen up and assassinate any other cachers that turn up when FTF is at stake?

:laughing:

4.1k · March 31, 2013

This is an early April Fool's joke, right?

Or something along the lines of the Easter Bunny dispensing the three initials. For those of us who would never use a code just because we signed a blank log or would never award it on a cache, it would be just another set of numbers to forget. I would rather eat a chocolate bunny.

March 31, 2013

When a CO creates a new cache they are given an FTF code they put in the cache which a finder then logs on GC.com and is credited with the FTF. The code may only be used by one person.

We can the create a leader board much like cacherstats.com to see who truly is the best FTF hound, no that's my idea of fun.

All my FTFs are legitimate. Don't need a code, badge of honour or leader board to enjoy FTF, just a little dance at GZ.

3.2k · March 31, 2013

When a CO creates a new cache they are given an FTF code they put in the cache which a finder then logs on GC.com and is credited with the FTF. The code may only be used by one person.

We can the create a leader board much like cacherstats.com to see who truly is the best FTF hound, no that's my idea of fun.

Not sure why nobody's asked this yet, but ...........why?

6.5k · March 31, 2013

I can see it now. People will accuse the CO of giving codes to their friends so they can have a "legit" FTF or a "reserved FTF".

We already have that system here. Some members of a caching community an hour away like to award FTF's as event door prizes. They have the reviewer hold off the publication until after the 'winner' has claimed their prize. I'm not a FTF hound so I don't understand how these gimmies provide any warm fuzzies. But then I never took gimmee putts when I played golf either; we always putted out.

The cheating would be simple to handle, every member would be allowed 1 protest/month that would be thouroughly investigated by GS lackeys and if a CO was found giving out the code they'd be banned for a month as would the fake finder.

Seriously? The lackeys and developers are already behind with so many other tasks and items on their To Do list, and you want to add this bit of drivel to their workload? The numbers do not really matter, so the only cheating that goes on shouldn't really matter either.

Edited March 31, 2013 by wimseyguy

6.7k · March 31, 2013

Bad idea.

1.2k · March 31, 2013

Hey, I was the first to post to this thread! FTP! I'm going to have to put that one down in my profile.

7.9k · March 31, 2013

Hey, I was the first to post to this thread! FTP! I'm going to have to put that one down in my profile.

WHAT IS THE CODE? :mad:

You don't have the code, do you? :rolleyes:

7.8k · March 31, 2013

The cheating would be simple to handle, every member would be allowed 1 protest/month that would be thouroughly investigated by GS lackeys and if a CO was found giving out the code they'd be banned for a month as would the fake finder.

Seriously? Is a Lackey supposed to fly out to GZ, track down and interview each of the cachers involved in the dispute, examine the log, and make a ruling on who was FTF?

8.6k · March 31, 2013

When a CO creates a new cache they are given an FTF code they put in the cache which a finder then logs on GC.com and is credited with the FTF. The code may only be used by one person.

We can the create a leader board much like cacherstats.com to see who truly is the best FTF hound, no that's my idea of fun.

Not sure why nobody's asked this yet, but ...........why?

Maybe to start up a contentious thread????

.... and here I wasn't even gonna post anything to this beast.........

2k · March 31, 2013

so folks who enjoy sharing FTFs will now have to maybe fight to see who gets the code vs before as many folks as people want can share a FTF? I have seen a happy 25 way co-FTF.

9.3k · March 31, 2013

When a CO creates a new cache they are given an FTF code they put in the cache which a finder then logs on GC.com and is credited with the FTF. The code may only be used by one person.

We can the create a leader board much like cacherstats.com to see who truly is the best FTF hound, no that's my idea of fun.

Not sure why nobody's asked this yet, but ...........why?

Maybe to start up a contentious thread????

Could be. We haven't had any recent threads dedicated to appeasing the entitlement junkies...

March 31, 2013

No.

14k · March 31, 2013

When a CO creates a new cache they are given an FTF code they put in the cache which a finder then logs on GC.com and is credited with the FTF. The code may only be used by one person.

We can the create a leader board much like cacherstats.com to see who truly is the best FTF hound, no that's my idea of fun.

It sounds like you want to take what is currently a side game that a lot of geocachers have no interest in playing and making it mandatory for a CO to be part of that game. I suspect that for some cache owners, rather than be forced to participate by placing a FTF code in new caches, they'll choose not to place any new caches.

Creating a "leaderboard" is even less meaninful for "the best FTF" hound than it is for the total of caches found. For those that have the luxury of living in a place where a lot of new caches are being placed they can achieve a high spot on the leader board, but in most places in the world the number of FTF opportunities pales in comparison to what you see in areas with a lot of people placing new caches. I don't exactly live in the middle of nowhere but there have been several periods of time of several months when there were only a handful of new caches placed. A few years ago, over a 4+ month period there were less than 5 caches placed within 30 miles.

7.8k · March 31, 2013

Not sure why nobody's asked this yet, but ...........why?

Maybe to start up a contentious thread????

I wonder what the next absurd Roman! discussion will be? "Ban all traditional caches!"?

2.8k · March 31, 2013

Not sure why nobody's asked this yet, but ...........why?

Maybe to start up a contentious thread????

I wonder what the next absurd Roman! discussion will be? "Ban all traditional caches!"?

That gave me an awesome idea. A new cache may not be logged until the FTF code is used thus ensuring the CO makes sure someone claims it, again, all cheating will be investigated.

Maybe flying lackeys out doesn't make sense so they could appoint regional investigators much like reviewers.

That's what I love about this forum, we can work together to take a great idea and make it awesome.

Edited March 31, 2013 by Roman!

March 31, 2013

That gave me an awesome idea. A new cache may not be logged until the FTF code is used thus ensuring the CO makes sure someone claims it, again, all cheating will be investigated.

Maybe flying lackeys out doesn't make sense so they could appoint regional investigators much like reviewers.

That's what I love about this forum, we can work together to take a great idea and make it awesome.

Troll alert :sad:

5.6k · March 31, 2013

Not sure why nobody's asked this yet, but ...........why?

Maybe to start up a contentious thread????

I wonder what the next absurd Roman! discussion will be? "Ban all traditional caches!"?

That gave me an awesome idea. A new cache may not be logged until the FTF code is used thus ensuring the CO makes sure someone claims it, again, all cheating will be investigated.

Maybe flying lackeys out doesn't make sense so they could appoint regional investigators much like reviewers.

That's what I love about this forum, we can work together to take a great lame idea and make it awesome tiresome.

Fixed for you.

March 31, 2013

It's not obvious to me that the idea of FTF becoming official somehow is as terrible as everyone thinks it is. Some people seem to enjoy the FTF part of the game. I'm no FTF hound but I have a few of them and think they are cool enough. I can't see how the part about the investigation will ever be feasible, though. It takes time and money to investigate anything, and to adjudicate the investigations. I think COs would have to referee it if they care to.

7.8k · March 31, 2013

Troll alert

Agreed. Let's just all stop feeding the troll, and maybe he'll get bored and leave.

2.8k · March 31, 2013

Not sure why nobody's asked this yet, but ...........why?

Maybe to start up a contentious thread????

I wonder what the next absurd Roman! discussion will be? "Ban all traditional caches!"?

That gave me an awesome idea. A new cache may not be logged until the FTF code is used thus ensuring the CO makes sure someone claims it, again, all cheating will be investigated.

Maybe flying lackeys out doesn't make sense so they could appoint regional investigators much like reviewers.

That's what I love about this forum, we can work together to take a great lame idea and make it awesome tiresome.

Fixed for you.

Nah, fixed it for you.

That's what I love about this forum, we most of us can work together to take a great idea and make it awesome.

March 31, 2013

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Edited March 31, 2013 by unabowler

1.1k · March 31, 2013

Troll alert

Agreed. Let's just all stop feeding the troll, and maybe he'll get bored and leave.

Yep, how do you spell Troll, "Roman!" . On the other hand, Roman is fun to read and see how he fishes others in. :laughing:

edit to correct spelliing

Edited March 31, 2013 by captnemo

2.8k · March 31, 2013

Troll alert

Agreed. Let's just all stop feeding the troll, and maybe he'll get bored and leave.

Or maybe I just know what the big announcement tomorrow is about.

Edited March 31, 2013 by Roman!

13.7k · March 31, 2013

Troll alert

Agreed. Let's just all stop feeding the troll, and maybe he'll get bored and leave.

Or maybe I just know what the big announcement tomorrow is about.

I was just gonna say that on another thread. :laughing:

1.4k · March 31, 2013

That gave me an awesome idea. A new cache may not be logged until the FTF code is used thus ensuring the CO makes sure someone claims it, again, all cheating will be investigated.

So lets get this straight. You want to force those who don't care at all about your side game, to play whether we want to or not?

As a CO, I doubt if I would pay any attention at all to a FTF code. either to put it in my cache, or to delete a log before it is used.

I usually go out and hide my cache before I submit it. I don't mind running back out to do maintenance on it and to check on it. I ain't going to run back out just to put a code in it. <_<

March 31, 2013

When a CO creates a new cache they are given an FTF code they put in the cache which a finder then logs on GC.com and is credited with the FTF. The code may only be used by one person.

You can create a website for this. And maybe become rich - just charge a dollar or so for the codes.

2.8k · March 31, 2013

That gave me an awesome idea. A new cache may not be logged until the FTF code is used thus ensuring the CO makes sure someone claims it, again, all cheating will be investigated.

So lets get this straight. You want to force those who don't care at all about your side game, to play whether we want to or not?

As a CO, I doubt if I would pay any attention at all to a FTF code. either to put it in my cache, or to delete a log before it is used.

I usually go out and hide my cache before I submit it. I don't mind running back out to do maintenance on it and to check on it. I ain't going to run back out just to put a code in it.

Yes, its about time to turn the other cheek and you wouldn't have to delete logs,no one would be able to post a find until the FTF activated the code.

March 31, 2013

That gave me an awesome idea. A new cache may not be logged until the FTF code is used thus ensuring the CO makes sure someone claims it, again, all cheating will be investigated.

So lets get this straight. You want to force those who don't care at all about your side game, to play whether we want to or not?

As a CO, I doubt if I would pay any attention at all to a FTF code. either to put it in my cache, or to delete a log before it is used.

I usually go out and hide my cache before I submit it. I don't mind running back out to do maintenance on it and to check on it. I ain't going to run back out just to put a code in it.

Yes, its about time to turn the other cheek and you wouldn't have to delete logs,no one would be able to post a find until the FTF activated the code.

This could start a whole new side game. Who has collected the most unactivated FTF Codes?

6.7k · March 31, 2013

That gave me an awesome idea. A new cache may not be logged until the FTF code is used thus ensuring the CO makes sure someone claims it, again, all cheating will be investigated.

So lets get this straight. You want to force those who don't care at all about your side game, to play whether we want to or not?

As a CO, I doubt if I would pay any attention at all to a FTF code. either to put it in my cache, or to delete a log before it is used.

I usually go out and hide my cache before I submit it. I don't mind running back out to do maintenance on it and to check on it. I ain't going to run back out just to put a code in it.

Yes, its about time to turn the other cheek and you wouldn't have to delete logs,no one would be able to post a find until the FTF activated the code.

What happens when someone like me comes along and nabs the FTF? I hardly ever log caches any more.

And because you asked I am gonna turn the other cheek.

:anibad:

2.8k · March 31, 2013

That gave me an awesome idea. A new cache may not be logged until the FTF code is used thus ensuring the CO makes sure someone claims it, again, all cheating will be investigated.

So lets get this straight. You want to force those who don't care at all about your side game, to play whether we want to or not?

As a CO, I doubt if I would pay any attention at all to a FTF code. either to put it in my cache, or to delete a log before it is used.

I usually go out and hide my cache before I submit it. I don't mind running back out to do maintenance on it and to check on it. I ain't going to run back out just to put a code in it.

Yes, its about time to turn the other cheek and you wouldn't have to delete logs,no one would be able to post a find until the FTF activated the code.

What happens when someone like me comes along and nabs the FTF? I hardly ever log caches any more.

And because you asked I am gonna turn the other cheek.

There are still some bugs to work out but if the code is reported gone and not logged in a timely fashion an investigation is done and the person not logging it is banned.

Edited March 31, 2013 by Roman!

6.7k · March 31, 2013

That gave me an awesome idea. A new cache may not be logged until the FTF code is used thus ensuring the CO makes sure someone claims it, again, all cheating will be investigated.

So lets get this straight. You want to force those who don't care at all about your side game, to play whether we want to or not?

As a CO, I doubt if I would pay any attention at all to a FTF code. either to put it in my cache, or to delete a log before it is used.

I usually go out and hide my cache before I submit it. I don't mind running back out to do maintenance on it and to check on it. I ain't going to run back out just to put a code in it.

Yes, its about time to turn the other cheek and you wouldn't have to delete logs,no one would be able to post a find until the FTF activated the code.

What happens when someone like me comes along and nabs the FTF? I hardly ever log caches any more.

And because you asked I am gonna turn the other cheek.

There are still some bugs to work out but if the code is reported gone and not logged in a timely fashion an investigation is done and the person not logging it is banned.

Haha! Don't MAKE me go to my sock drawer!

March 31, 2013

Like I said before I'm not sure this is a terrible idea. The part about the code might work but I don't see who would foot the cost of these investigations. Investigations would be extremely difficult anyway as someone could pocket the code and zip his lips and never get caught.

I've seen enough caches which have logs from FTF hounds, and they talk about getting to GZ and seeing other people already there searching. For people who are interested enough to rush out to caches and COs who are interested in encouraging this aspect of the game the codes might work to an extent.

6.7k · March 31, 2013

Like I said before I'm not sure this is a terrible idea. The part about the code might work but I don't see who would foot the cost of these investigations. Investigations would be extremely difficult anyway as someone could pocket the code and zip his lips and never get caught.

I've seen enough caches which have logs from FTF hounds, and they talk about getting to GZ and seeing other people already there searching. For people who are interested enough to rush out to caches and COs who are interested in encouraging this aspect of the game the codes might work to an extent.

There is no part of this that isn't a bad idea. But it make for a fair to midland joke.

It's time to make the FTF game legit.

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