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Preserved Machines

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Recently I have come across some machines on public display and have thought about creating a category for them.

 

They often provide interesting information about the history of technology and science and are sometimes more decorative than many sculptures.

 

Some are associated with markers, some stand alone. I would only want to accept objects that are actively preserved and put on display. No abandoned gear where just nobody had the money to move it away; no machines that are in use; no vehicles, no agricultural equipment. Also no exhibits within museums.

 

What do you think? Could this be a good category? If I get enough positive feedback I will create a group.

 

There is a list of details where I am still unsure. Please tell me your opinion:

 


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  • A good name for the category: Industrial Heritage on Public Display, Preserved Machines, ...?
  • Should the technical information be mandatory? If you don't find out what it was, then don't post?
  • Only originals or also reconstructions? Like ancient Roman treadwheel cranes.
  • Industrial era only or also ancient or medieval objects (No millstones, of course; they have their category)?
  • Single parts allowed or only complete machines?
     

 

Some examples:

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a former generator of a hydroelectric power plant from 1916 now at the gate to the headquarter of a power supply company.

 

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No idea, what it is, but I found this at the entrance to a wastewater treatment facility.

 

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An injection molding machine from 1962, now in front of the factory.

 

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An large old valve of a groundwater pumping station.

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Count me in!! I've tried to fit at least two steam-driven water pump static displays as well as a gas-driven pump for logging purposes into a category and couldn't find one. This category fits the bill perfectly.

 

Make me an officer and I'll help you all I can!

 

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Yes I know such machines and machine parts. And I also know that there is no category where they fit. So it might be a good idea to create such a category. But it might be difficult to define what will be accepted and what will be excluded.

 

Your examples 1 and 3 are great.

No 2 and 4 are difficult.

They are only a small part of bigger machines. But machine parts can also be interesting. I know a huge wheel of an elevator of a cole mine which is on a permanent display. And this is very interesting.

 

So find a good definition and this category could be a good addition.

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I've seen many preserved machines on public display; this should be an interesting category.

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Good idea!

I found this nice old washer directly near a trail, I think it's there because it's cool. Accept, or not?

Washer

-lumbricus

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I'm quite enthusiastic about this idea for a category! How about "Technical Monuments" as a name? I agree with the exclusion of vehicles, these already have their own categories. However, I'd prefer to limit it to items that are obviously put up for public display and receive some minimum of maintenance, to distinguish them from scrap lying about because nobody cares. That washer in the woods sure is a great sight, but I'd draw a line there...

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Good idea!

I found this nice old washer directly near a trail, I think it's there because it's cool. Accept, or not?

Washer

-lumbricus

 

My first thought was, "Why not?" It is certainly a machine. However, after reading your original post, where you say,"I would only want to accept objects that are actively preserved and put on display." While this old washer is "on display", it doesn't appear to be "actively preserved". I agree with your statement. It seems that a logical dividing line between accepting or not accepting a waymark in the category, would be whether it is being actively preserved or just dropped off and left to the elements. But I guess, even the word, "actively" can be somewhat subjective.

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Great idea! Technical monuments seems to be adequate name for that category... count me :)

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How about Static Machinery or Equipment Displays -- sort of mirroring the name of the Static Artillery Display category. Then make it clear in the description that you are looking for non-agricultural, non-vehicular maintained equipment as you have stated. Our 2 cents :)

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Actively preserved often means these objects being painted, sometimes in ridiculous colours, to make them stand out whereas in real life they were unpainted. I saw a gaudily painted steam engine recently which made me sad that council saw this as preservation. I'd include that washing machine in the scrub as had it not been placed there, on public display, it may have ended up at a scrap metal merchant or rusting away in a weed infested industrial yard. As it is it's preserved for all to see. So - leave out "actively" & that way machinery in wild places can be recorded as well. I know of gold stampers etc now in National Parks that are preserved as a reminder of the area's history. Parks' officials don't interfere with them (paint, oil, clear undergrowth) but they are preserved & protected.

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Thank you for all this positive feedback. This is going to be a great category.

 

The category will only accept objects that are put on display (or left at the original location sometimes) to preserve and educate or entertain. No illegally dumped crap or abandoned leftovers; some of them are cool objects, but there are several reasons to set these limits.

 

I have created a group and am working on a draft proposal.

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Sounds good to me!

 

Maybe we should ask for two pictures for posting a new Waymark: one closeup - one with general view.

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Hmm... that description would exclude the "machines" on pics #2 and #4 in your opening post, because they either have no moving parts or don't consume energy. Was that done on purpose?

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Yes, that was partially done on purpose. I am well aware of the fact that maybe not all of my findings will qualify for the category in the end. I am more interested in a good category than in my own stats. On the other hand, this is just a first draft and I had not planned to send it to peer review as it is. I am not very happy with my definitions yet and I am still looking for improvment. This is work in progress and I am not in a hurry.

 

I have many objects in mind I would also like to welcome in the category like harbour cranes, reconstructions of ancient Roman cranes or mining equipment. Still the description should be clear and consistent; I want to avoid a lengthy list of inclusions and exclusions. If all my examples can find a home there under these circumstances, the better. But this is not a top priority.

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I like the description as is but have question on the line "Parts of machines are accepted if they have a substantial size or show the leading principle of a specific machinery; a simple gearwheel is not enough." If I am reading this correctly a gear from a steam shovel would not qualify but the bucket itself would especially if it was like the one below as it would be the "leading principle of the specific machinery"

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Yes, that is what I had in mind; this is a great one.

 

But wait... what if the complete machine was kind of a vehicle? It's complicated. I like this object, it should be included anyway. I am simply not sure about the wording.

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I think you have certainly hit on one of those gaps that many of us have encountered! I may have some in my bag, but often I pass them by if I think they won't fit in a category. We do have a few categories that might overlap, but these are fairly easy to exclude. I wouldn't necessarily exclude agricultural machines, however. Some are just tools, or implements that fit in that category, or old tractors, or other vehicles. But there may be some very interesting machines, say a vintage combine that harvested wheat, or something involved in other steps of food production. As long as they meet the other criteria, I think it makes sense to include them.

 

Bravo for introducing this!

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I did not exclude agricultural equipment because I don't think they're intreresting. But it is written:" Thou shalt not duplicate thy neighbor's categories."

 

They already have their place.

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I am thinking about removing the "use energy" from the machine description. It is technically correct but could be misleading. Manpower and horsepower are also energy, but I fear people could translate it to "motorized" and imagine narrower limits than was intended. And I could add flow control to the list of goals. This would also open the category to objects like #4.

 

Thoughts?

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The category is now in peer review. Please have a look and vote!

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