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I cached in college with friends back in 05-08. College is now about 10 hours away. I'd love to go back and find those old Caches as they are still active.

 

In the meantime, can I use my friend's old log to claim the Cache's we found together?...if I post date them back to 08? I actually only have 3-4 in mind (the most memorable and the ones I know I did within them)

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I cached in college with friends back in 05-08. College is now about 10 hours away. I'd love to go back and find those old Caches as they are still active.

 

In the meantime, can I use my friend's old log to claim the Cache's we found together?...if I post date them back to 08? I actually only have 3-4 in mind (the most memorable and the ones I know I did within them)

Make sure you mention why you're posting years later in your logs ( and no archived hides) and you should be fine.

- And if you signed the log.

 

Sorry, just went for coffee and must have hit it without finishing. :laughing:

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I cached in college with friends back in 05-08. College is now about 10 hours away. I'd love to go back and find those old Caches as they are still active.

 

In the meantime, can I use my friend's old log to claim the Cache's we found together?...if I post date them back to 08? I actually only have 3-4 in mind (the most memorable and the ones I know I did within them)

Make sure you mention why you're posting years later in your logs ( and no archived hides) and you should be fine.

- And if you signed the log.

 

Sorry, just went for coffee and must have hit it without finishing. :laughing:

 

I disagree about no archived hides. If they were active when you found them, unless they are locked for some reason, go ahead and log them. Do use the actual dates that you found them and, as mentioned, an explanation of why you are logging so late. Even if you didn't sign the log; just say you were with Your Friends (be specific.)

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I disagree about no archived hides. If they were active when you found them, unless they are locked for some reason, go ahead and log them. Do use the actual dates that you found them and, as mentioned, an explanation of why you are logging so late. Even if you didn't sign the log; just say you were with Your Friends (be specific.)

 

I'm with Nan on this one, why wouldn't I post a post-dated log on an archived cache if I had found it?

 

I wouldn't recommend a 'Found It' with today's date, but even then who but the owner and anyone watching (why would anyone watch an archived cache?) would see the log.

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I often see logs with old dates with an explanation that they now have their own account name.

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I cached in college with friends back in 05-08. College is now about 10 hours away. I'd love to go back and find those old Caches as they are still active.

 

In the meantime, can I use my friend's old log to claim the Cache's we found together?...if I post date them back to 08? I actually only have 3-4 in mind (the most memorable and the ones I know I did within them)

Make sure you mention why you're posting years later in your logs ( and no archived hides) and you should be fine.

- And if you signed the log.

 

Sorry, just went for coffee and must have hit it without finishing. :laughing:

 

I disagree about no archived hides. If they were active when you found them, unless they are locked for some reason, go ahead and log them. Do use the actual dates that you found them and, as mentioned, an explanation of why you are logging so late. Even if you didn't sign the log; just say you were with Your Friends (be specific.)

 

And, write that you are only logging the 3-4 caches that made a impression on you that you have remembered them after five years. I would be proud to have a log like that pop up on one of my caches.

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I often see logs with old dates with an explanation that they now have their own account name.

 

And if there are any questions your old buddies could vouch for you.

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I was just about to ask this question as well. I have been at this with family for over a year, started my own last year, and did not log all my finds, Is it ok to do this so long as the cache appears active and we tell the original date?

I actually have some pics of those older ones too!

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You can log archived caches as well. Always best to include an explanation of why you are logging it.

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Question. We had a situation pop up where we had a series of caches, and the final cache was locked, but you could turn the cache upside down to get the log to slip through a tiny crack. In order to get the code to unlock the cache, you had to find all of the other caches first. Unfortunately, a couple of cachers went after the final before logging the rest in the series and took a new trackable that hadn't been dropped, and the $5 ftf prize. We wouldn't have known that they did this if we hadn't gone to the cache and put more items in it. They purposefully didn't log it since they hadn't found the other ones. The final cache was archived, and the active caches have been disabled, with four unpublished as of now. I sent a polite email to both cachers, requesting that they return the coin, and the FTF prize because they didn't find all of the other caches first. The cacher who took the coin and the ftf prize said that they would return the coin, but that they gave the $5 gift card away so they couldn't return that.

 

So with this back story, can they log the archived cache? Unfortunately for us, we didn't know that we had to put the word 'challenge' in the title in order to require all other caches be found before finding the final. Even after sending an email to both cachers, they still logged the archived cache as a find. We've met these cachers several times at FTF's, and it's a hard situation for us to be in. We like to follow the geocaching etiquette and play fair, so we feel that both of their logs of the final should be deleted. Do we have any ground to remove their logs? If we can remove their logs, who is to say that they wouldn't delete logs from caches that they own that we have found? One of the cachers has a reputation for not signing nanos, came straight out of his mouth, and doing other shady activities. We really enjoy geocaching, and to have a few cachers play it this way really takes the fun out of the game.

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I'm not quite sure how this relates to the discussion at hand, but I'll go with it...

 

We had a situation pop up where we had a series of caches, and the final cache was locked.

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Unfortunately for us, we didn't know that we had to put the word 'challenge' in the title in order to require all other caches be found before finding the final.

What you describe is not a challenge cache. From the challenge cache guidelines:

3. A Challenge cache must avoid undue restrictions. Specifically:

1. Challenge caches based on a specific list of caches, such as caches placed by a specific person or group, will generally not be published.

The series you describe is just that: a series. It's just a bunch of caches along with an additional (presumably) puzzle/unknown/mystery cache. I've never seen a series final listed as a challenge cache, and I seriously doubt a reviewer would publish one as a challenge cache.

 

Even after sending an email to both cachers, they still logged the archived cache as a find. We've met these cachers several times at FTF's, and it's a hard situation for us to be in. We like to follow the geocaching etiquette and play fair, so we feel that both of their logs of the final should be deleted. Do we have any ground to remove their logs?

Since it isn't a challenge cache, the only requirement there can be on the final is that the log be signed, as stated in the guidelines under the "Logging of All Physical Geocaches" section:

For physical caches all logging requirements beyond finding the cache and signing the log are considered additional logging requirements (ALRs) and must be optional. Cache finders can choose whether or not to attempt or accomplish such tasks.

The owner cannot delete a find of the final on the basis of not finding all of the series caches. As long as someone finds the cache and signs the log, it's a legitimate find. The same thing goes for someone who accidentally stumbles upon the final of an extremely difficult puzzle which they didn't solve. The fact that they didn't solve the puzzle does not negate the fact that they found the cache.

 

I was a bit confused at first when looking at your caches hidden, but then realized the series in question is under your partner's (?) account. I have to point out that the cachers in question did not "ruin the series". All they did was find a cache, which is what this game is all about. They didn't destroy or remove the cache, or do anything else to otherwise prevent other cachers from finding the caches. In my opinion, disabling the series caches and archiving the final is an extreme over-reaction that only serves to punish and deny the enjoyment of those who were working on the series (of which it sounds like there were many).

 

My suggestion is to take this as a learning experience and let the matter drop. In the future, if you really want people to find all of the series before finding the final, structure it in such a way that it's impossible for them to locate/access/open the final without finding all of the series caches. Some suggestions are to have the finders gather numbers from each cache to build the coordinates for the final or use a completely sealed container so the log can only be accessed by unlocking it (as an aside: the fact that they got the log out without unlocking it tells me it isn't a watertight container, so you may want to reconsider that specific container anyway).

 

This probably wasn't the answer you were hoping for, but I hope you at least consider what I've written above.

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I'm not quite sure how this relates to the discussion at hand, but I'll go with it...

 

We had a situation pop up where we had a series of caches, and the final cache was locked.

...

Unfortunately for us, we didn't know that we had to put the word 'challenge' in the title in order to require all other caches be found before finding the final.

What you describe is not a challenge cache. From the challenge cache guidelines:

3. A Challenge cache must avoid undue restrictions. Specifically:

1. Challenge caches based on a specific list of caches, such as caches placed by a specific person or group, will generally not be published.

The series you describe is just that: a series. It's just a bunch of caches along with an additional (presumably) puzzle/unknown/mystery cache. I've never seen a series final listed as a challenge cache, and I seriously doubt a reviewer would publish one as a challenge cache.

 

Even after sending an email to both cachers, they still logged the archived cache as a find. We've met these cachers several times at FTF's, and it's a hard situation for us to be in. We like to follow the geocaching etiquette and play fair, so we feel that both of their logs of the final should be deleted. Do we have any ground to remove their logs?

Since it isn't a challenge cache, the only requirement there can be on the final is that the log be signed, as stated in the guidelines under the "Logging of All Physical Geocaches" section:

For physical caches all logging requirements beyond finding the cache and signing the log are considered additional logging requirements (ALRs) and must be optional. Cache finders can choose whether or not to attempt or accomplish such tasks.

The owner cannot delete a find of the final on the basis of not finding all of the series caches. As long as someone finds the cache and signs the log, it's a legitimate find. The same thing goes for someone who accidentally stumbles upon the final of an extremely difficult puzzle which they didn't solve. The fact that they didn't solve the puzzle does not negate the fact that they found the cache.

 

I was a bit confused at first when looking at your caches hidden, but then realized the series in question is under your partner's (?) account. I have to point out that the cachers in question did not "ruin the series". All they did was find a cache, which is what this game is all about. They didn't destroy or remove the cache, or do anything else to otherwise prevent other cachers from finding the caches. In my opinion, disabling the series caches and archiving the final is an extreme over-reaction that only serves to punish and deny the enjoyment of those who were working on the series (of which it sounds like there were many).

 

My suggestion is to take this as a learning experience and let the matter drop. In the future, if you really want people to find all of the series before finding the final, structure it in such a way that it's impossible for them to locate/access/open the final without finding all of the series caches. Some suggestions are to have the finders gather numbers from each cache to build the coordinates for the final or use a completely sealed container so the log can only be accessed by unlocking it (as an aside: the fact that they got the log out without unlocking it tells me it isn't a watertight container, so you may want to reconsider that specific container anyway).

 

This probably wasn't the answer you were hoping for, but I hope you at least consider what I've written above.

 

 

This is actually a great response. We were looking for some outside persepective on this. I guess we just felt deceived, but now that you have given your 2 cents, what they did makes sense. Good point on it not being water tight. Wasn't sure where this topic should have been posted. Not well versed in community blogging. Thanks!

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