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Bluetooth implies SPOT connectivity. From Garmin's OR 600 page:

Wireless Capable: Bluetooth® and ANT

 

SPOT Connect is a Bluetooth device, that how it talks to a Delorme PN-60W

 

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Where before I was totally disinterested in an OR 600, SPOT/Bluetooth changes everything.

 

The only bad news, it will likely take Garmin 2-years to get the Bluetooth bugs solved.

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SPOT Connect is a Bluetooth device, that how it talks to a Delorme PN-60W

They also connect to smartphones.

The DeLorme version of Spot (and InReach for that matter) uses ZigBee, not BlueTooth.

There are BlueTooth models of both that work with smartphones, but there's a reason there are two versions or either.

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The DeLorme version of Spot (and InReach for that matter) uses ZigBee, not BlueTooth.

There are BlueTooth models of both that work with smartphones, but there's a reason there are two versions or either.

Okay, you've only added to the mystery. Would you care to expand?

 

Will the bluetooth Spot work with the OR 600?

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No mystery.

 

DeLorme PN models do not have BlueTooth. The -W models use Zigbee protocol ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZigBee ) to talk to compatible Spot and inReach devices. As neither Android nor iOS devices support zigbee, making a smartphone compatible inReach meat bringing out a different model. I'm sure that's a support and supply line headache for DeLorme..

 

It may be noteworthy that you can't buy a NEW model of any PN series GPS on DeLorme's website anymore, the only ones they list are refurbished. This may signalt new models are coming out -- and if so my guess would be the next DeLorme PN WILL support Bluetooth and they're going to drop Zigbee altogether.

 

But this thread is to discuss Garmin... Sorry for the diversion. On the surface I would expect the Oregon 6x0 models will use Bluetooth for GPS-GPS and maybe GPS-computer data sharing. Maybe some kind of connection to Garmin apps on smartphones, too. But I consider a SPOT or other PLB connection a little less likely.

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I preordered a 650T from L L Bean at the beginning of the month. At that time the web site was saying it would be available on Feb. 22th. Today the date has ben pushed back to Feb. 28th. Only time will tell :P

 

hmm LL Bean has 15% off if you sign up for their card and no tax in my state, I might just do that instead of amazon.

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I preordered a 650T from L L Bean at the beginning of the month. At that time the web site was saying it would be available on Feb. 22th. Today the date has ben pushed back to Feb. 28th. Only time will tell :P

 

hmm LL Bean has 15% off if you sign up for their card and no tax in my state, I might just do that instead of amazon.

 

The best part of buying from Beans is they will always allow you to return the item for a refund. Very similar to REI. I'm funding this new Garmin in part by returning an old Delorme PN-40 that I purchase in the past. They gave me a Full refund via a store credit even though I didn't request it, which I put total the new 650t. You gotta luv Beans :)

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I preordered a 650T from L L Bean at the beginning of the month. At that time the web site was saying it would be available on Feb. 22th. Today the date has ben pushed back to Feb. 28th. Only time will tell :P

 

hmm LL Bean has 15% off if you sign up for their card and no tax in my state, I might just do that instead of amazon.

 

The best part of buying from Beans is they will always allow you to return the item for a refund. Very similar to REI. I'm funding this new Garmin in part by returning an old Delorme PN-40 that I purchase in the past. They gave me a Full refund via a store credit even though I didn't request it, which I put total the new 650t. You gotta luv Beans :)

 

sounds great! And they list the earliest shipping date of all the retailers :laughing:

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LL Bean is currently running a 10% off sale starting this morning the 14th and ending 18th. That's a good deal for picking up. The promo code to use at online checkout or via phone is WINTER10. I just called and had this applied to my order of January 29th.

 

looks like that 10% replaced 15% from last week, dang. I should have ordered already. I wonder how often they have these promotions

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LL Bean is currently running a 10% off sale starting this morning the 14th and ending 18th. That's a good deal for picking up. The promo code to use at online checkout or via phone is WINTER10. I just called and had this applied to my order of January 29th.

 

looks like that 10% replaced 15% from last week, dang. I should have ordered already. I wonder how often they have these promotions

 

Usually beginning of the year as they are trying to clear out inventory and get ready for Spring. They're hoping you'll be spending that discount on clothing, boots, and such.

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Just noticed this forun. I sent an e-mail to Garmin back in early January, asking about the ggz file format. The reply was:

 

The GGZ file format will simply be another supported file format that the Oregon 600 can use. The device will continue to use the GPX file format as well.

 

 

It didn't answer much, but we can see it will still use the gpx format. To bad there isn't more info available.

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It's all pretty immaterial though ... who the heck would want to store 4000 caches, let alone 4 million :rolleyes:

 

4000 caches isn't actually that many when you run a few PQs. When I export caches within 30 miles of home (and my PQs only stretch to about 15 miles in some directions) it's quite common for me to end up with over 4000 caches in my output.

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It's all pretty immaterial though ... who the heck would want to store 4000 caches, let alone 4 million :rolleyes:

 

4000 caches isn't actually that many when you run a few PQs. When I export caches within 30 miles of home (and my PQs only stretch to about 15 miles in some directions) it's quite common for me to end up with over 4000 caches in my output.

 

Wow, you must be in a densely populated cache area, I get about 400 that close to home :)

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It's all pretty immaterial though ... who the heck would want to store 4000 caches, let alone 4 million :rolleyes:

 

4000 caches isn't actually that many when you run a few PQs. When I export caches within 30 miles of home (and my PQs only stretch to about 15 miles in some directions) it's quite common for me to end up with over 4000 caches in my output.

 

Wow, you must be in a densely populated cache area, I get about 400 that close to home :)

 

A friend in PA set himself the target of finding everything within 10 miles of his home. Within 10 miles of my home are some 1200 caches I've found (although some have been archived) plus a further 1000 or so I have yet to find (some of which I'll never find because they are nanos on long railings or things up tall trees etc).

 

When I showed him my local caching map his jaw dropped and he announced he wanted to come and visit me to get his numbers up.

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It's all pretty immaterial though ... who the heck would want to store 4000 caches, let alone 4 million :rolleyes:

 

When on roadtrips it would be great to have 4000 caches loaded. If I were able to run a user route pocket query from Blaine WA to the Snoqualmie tunnel WA one mile either side I bet I would get 4000 caches. Not that I would try and find all 4000, but it gives you a lot of options as the miles fly by. To have all the caches in Washington State loaded while on a two week trip all over the state would be the best!

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Well so much for Bean's. I just received an email stating the backordered ship date of Feb, 28 has been pushed back to March 31. Guess I'll just have to wait. Glad I haven't sold my 550T yet <_<

 

yeah I saw that :(

 

I just placed my order. Signed up for their credit card and got 15% off, unfortunately I didn't let me combine it with the 10% off offer but still $339.15 shipped is not bad

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It's all pretty immaterial though ... who the heck would want to store 4000 caches, let alone 4 million :rolleyes:

 

When on roadtrips it would be great to have 4000 caches loaded. If I were able to run a user route pocket query from Blaine WA to the Snoqualmie tunnel WA one mile either side I bet I would get 4000 caches. Not that I would try and find all 4000, but it gives you a lot of options as the miles fly by. To have all the caches in Washington State loaded while on a two week trip all over the state would be the best!

 

It would be really nice to be able to have all the caches along the entire eastern US for a long roadtrip. When I visit the US I end up with pocket queries for all the places we're likely to visit but it would be nice to be able to break a long drive at a rest stop and see if there were any caches around.

 

Last long drive I checked the welcome areas in WV on the interstate, since WV was staying resolutely clear on my "states with found caches" map, although that meant a GPS-inspired reroute would have resulted in missing the proposed rest stops.

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It's all pretty immaterial though ... who the heck would want to store 4000 caches, let alone 4 million :rolleyes:

 

When on roadtrips it would be great to have 4000 caches loaded. If I were able to run a user route pocket query from Blaine WA to the Snoqualmie tunnel WA one mile either side I bet I would get 4000 caches. Not that I would try and find all 4000, but it gives you a lot of options as the miles fly by. To have all the caches in Washington State loaded while on a two week trip all over the state would be the best!

 

Fair point ... :)

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I really wish vendors would quit using terms like "unlimited". In computer science, there's always a limit, though it might be really hard to reach.

 

4,000 caches in a device is amateur hour in modern times. If you're going to claim "unlimited", let's talk about "billions" (which will surely exceed the primary key/index/file offset of your puny 32 bit embedded processor) and look me up. A 4.2GB Pocket Query? Think really hard before your device claims it'll support it.

 

This whole school of "40 == infinity" thing is just depressing. "If you can find more caches than that in a day, it's effectively infinite, right?" Absolutely not. Vendors should be as responsible for their "infinite" claims as auto vendors are that say "infinite MPG" (if it's downhill, the wind is at your back, and you never turn or stop.)

 

This aspect of this thread is simply silly.

 

If you're a GPS vendor with something to prove and willing to claim "infinite" anything, send me a unit and I'll about guarantee I can find a limit that'll break it.. Your 32-bit embedded core ran into hash table conflicts when there are 4.2Bn geocaches/waypoints at the same coordinates? Boo Hoo. You ran out of address space mapping 4.2Bn caches, each with a 100KB description that consists entirely of entity encoded strings? Waaah.

 

Please be realistic. Everything in computer science has limits. Hash table conflicts, string lengths, virtual memory, address space, whatever...Eventually you WILL run out of somethings.

 

This isn't pie-in-the-sky theoretics; finding 4,000 geocaches in a single trip is pretty simple in light of multi-day triops like E.T. Highway and Route 66. 4,000 geocaches between reloads is no longer "extreme geocaching" and we shouldn't pretend it is.

 

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Whoa, the grumpy moderator certainly is today :D

 

I missed where Garmin said the thing could hold unlimited caches or even 4.2 billion. ...okay, some of their blogs and blurbs DO say "unlimited," but... Their product info/specs page just says "load them all" and specifically mentions a limit of 4 million, not billion.

 

Advertising hyperbole, sure -- but I won't grump about either "unlimited" or "load them all" because their number is around 2x more than the total number of caches on GC.com. Even if you added the three or four caches available on Garmin's OpenCaching you'd still have plenty of room.

 

In practice, PQ size and daily limits are tougher limit to work with than how many I can fit into the GPS. Downloading only 5000 a day, much of your data will be stale before you've even accumulated a million in your local GSAK database.

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Wow, do the moderators here have an axe to grind, or what?

 

I just checked the Garmin website and found exactly what user13371 and Red90 suggest; The Oregon is limited to four million caches.

 

Perhaps the Groundspeak moderators should consider using facts before their next clearly obvious biased rant about nothing....

 

Correct me if I am wrong, but Groundspeaks limit of 1000 caches per PQ, and only 6000 caches per day, seems to be the real limiting factor in getting current and useful geocache data on your GPS.

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It's all pretty immaterial though ... who the heck would want to store 4000 caches, let alone 4 million :rolleyes:

 

When on roadtrips it would be great to have 4000 caches loaded. If I were able to run a user route pocket query from Blaine WA to the Snoqualmie tunnel WA one mile either side I bet I would get 4000 caches. Not that I would try and find all 4000, but it gives you a lot of options as the miles fly by. To have all the caches in Washington State loaded while on a two week trip all over the state would be the best!

 

It would be really nice to be able to have all the caches along the entire eastern US for a long roadtrip. When I visit the US I end up with pocket queries for all the places we're likely to visit but it would be nice to be able to break a long drive at a rest stop and see if there were any caches around.

 

Last long drive I checked the welcome areas in WV on the interstate, since WV was staying resolutely clear on my "states with found caches" map, although that meant a GPS-inspired reroute would have resulted in missing the proposed rest stops.

 

Well said.

On my long vacation trips across the U.S. I will have about 40,000 caches in my general path or search area. My old Magellan Platinum can hold 14,000,000 caches along with maps of the whole U.S. on a 2G SD card ( pre 2003 technology ). I can load all 40,000 on My Nuvi with a macro ( again old technology ). My new units ( 62S, Oregon 450 ) can only hold 5000 each so I have to be tethered to a computer. This has always been a Garmin problem ( since abandoning the Meridian , Magellan is in the same boat) . GC.com gives 1000 cache PQ's which is fine if only Garmin would let you load and name 40 ( or however many you want ) of them on to your unit.....you could take nice long trips without worrying about computers, internet connections, etc. I still bring a couple of Platinums along in case the other stuff blows up.

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I don't cache and every word I read here seems to prove why I shouldn't cache.

1000 in a PQ, 5000 max a day.

How many freaking caches do you want to do on a day, month a year? And that you call holiday. :rolleyes: And your partner is ok with that?

 

If you cached, you'd probably be able to appreciate more likely scenarios:

 

I maintain five PQs that cover most of the area around where I live. I generate and download these ~3500 caches once every week or two and put them in my GPSr (Montana) which is usually in my car. I can pull out the Montana and locate a cache near me (or near work, or a relative's house, or...) without having to plan ahead. It's nice for on-demand caching.

 

Same goes for long driving trips, or when traveling to a new city. I load up my GPSr so that I don't have to plan every single cache. I've got them all handy, and can find whatever suits my fancy at the moment.

 

It's about flexibility.

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I don't cache and every word I read here seems to prove why I shouldn't cache.

1000 in a PQ, 5000 max a day.

How many freaking caches do you want to do on a day, month a year? And that you call holiday. :rolleyes: And your partner is ok with that?

Why can't people have their own beliefs on how to spend their time? What business is it of yours? Some people enjoy find hundreds per day. Some people want to look one up at any time without connecting to the internet. Your profile show zero finds.

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I don't cache and every word I read here seems to prove why I shouldn't cache.

1000 in a PQ, 5000 max a day.

How many freaking caches do you want to do on a day, month a year? And that you call holiday. :rolleyes: And your partner is ok with that?

Why can't people have their own beliefs on how to spend their time? What business is it of yours? Some people enjoy find hundreds per day. Some people want to look one up at any time without connecting to the internet. Your profile show zero finds.

 

well, he did say he doesn't cache :)

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LL Bean is currently running a 10% off sale starting this morning the 14th and ending 18th. That's a good deal for picking up. The promo code to use at online checkout or via phone is WINTER10. I just called and had this applied to my order of January 29th.

 

looks like that 10% replaced 15% from last week, dang. I should have ordered already. I wonder how often they have these promotions

 

Email them and ask then to refund the extra percentage. I got a 10% off email coupon a couple of days after I received my Montana 600. I emailed them about it and they credited the 10% back to my card, no problem. Since you can return anything for ANY reason, believe me... They do not want you sending it back for a full refund and re-ordering the same thing again with the coupon. :anibad:

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LL Bean is currently running a 10% off sale starting this morning the 14th and ending 18th. That's a good deal for picking up. The promo code to use at online checkout or via phone is WINTER10. I just called and had this applied to my order of January 29th.

 

looks like that 10% replaced 15% from last week, dang. I should have ordered already. I wonder how often they have these promotions

 

Email them and ask them to refund the extra percentage. I got a 10% off email coupon a couple of days after I received my Montana 600. I emailed them about it and they credited the 10% back to my card, no problem. Since you can return anything for ANY reason, believe me... They do not want an "open box" return because you sent it back for a full refund and re-ordered the same thing again with the coupon. :anibad:

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LL Bean is currently running a 10% off sale starting this morning the 14th and ending 18th. That's a good deal for picking up. The promo code to use at online checkout or via phone is WINTER10. I just called and had this applied to my order of January 29th.

 

looks like that 10% replaced 15% from last week, dang. I should have ordered already. I wonder how often they have these promotions

 

Email them and ask then to refund the extra percentage. I got a 10% off email coupon a couple of days after I received my Montana 600. I emailed them about it and they credited the 10% back to my card, no problem. Since you can return anything for ANY reason, believe me... They do not want you sending it back for a full refund and re-ordering the same thing again with the coupon. :anibad:

 

So when I clicked on their Visa card page it kept showing only the 10% off coupon, but then when I actually started a new order and got to checkout it showed the 15% deal again so I'm good. Not sure how all those promotions work :)

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... My old Magellan Platinum can hold 14,000,000 caches along with maps of the whole U.S. on a 2G SD card

But the older Meridian Platinum was using more limited mapping data mapping and the geocaches were only waypoint/name/comment - no log, right?

 

For the sake of argument I'd allow you MIGHT have been able to load up 14M caches -- if that many caches were ever in existence, and if you could accumulate them, and figure out how to organize your files. But what was the largest number you ever actually DID have loaded on it at one time?

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You can have your own belief and I'm not condemning or something like that, I only wonder how your day looks like if you do 100 or more caches a day.

The discussion here is, can the Gps hold unlimited or 'only' 4 million caches and that seem a lot to me and totally over the top.

 

totally off topic - but what do you talk about in your 1300+ posts with 0 found geocaches?

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