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Capacitive touch screen... a real departure from traditional handhelds. Probably will be no good with gloves on, but should offer a very nice image.

 

Not so sure that's a good thing. The screen on my Montana is very, very good and highly responsive. The capacitive touchscreen on my Nuvi 3790T looks good, but it's not nearly as responsive. I sometimes have to touch things several times to get it to "take" and the screen seems very slow and laggy at times. Plus, like you said, it's a no-go with gloves although I've seen some specialty gloves that have a metal mesh or something in the fingertips and are designed to be used with iPhones and such. They didn't look like good actual outdoors type gloves, though.

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I wonder if there will be 3rd party rechargeable batteries available. I plan on buying Oregon 600 but don't feel like paying $25 for a rechargeable pack since its' not included.

 

I don't care too much about using the gloves since I don't leave the house if it's too cold :P

 

The redraw speed is still kinda lacking compared to say google maps on a smart phone but it looks faster than my 60csx and I can easily deal with that.

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Guess my Garmins (all 3 of them) are like your office PCs then, can't remember the last time any of mine froze.

 

You must not own a Montana, the unit from which the Oregon 600 got it's software layout. If we're comparing anything to the new Oregon it would be the Montana.

 

I have a Montana 600 and it's never frozen up on me. I built a Win7 PC that I've been using daily since the summer of 2011 and it's never locked up once, either.

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Not so sure that's a good thing. The screen on my Montana is very, very good and highly responsive. The capacitive touchscreen on my Nuvi 3790T looks good, but it's not nearly as responsive. I sometimes have to touch things several times to get it to "take" and the screen seems very slow and laggy at times. Plus, like you said, it's a no-go with gloves although I've seen some specialty gloves that have a metal mesh or something in the fingertips and are designed to be used with iPhones and such. They didn't look like good actual outdoors type gloves, though.

 

It doesn't necessarily mean that it will have the same screen as the nuvi 3790. There are many different versions of capacitive screens out now with varying levels of charge filtering. Garmin probably wouldn't have to worry about filtering on a nuvi screen since it typically sits on the dash. Something of the handheld variety may use something different based on capacitive technology. I'm not sure if Garmin is traditionally known for pushing the limits of the tech world but there are screens available that can be used with most gloves, even ones not specifically designed for conductivity.

 

Time will tell, probably early reports from Europe since they don't have to clear the FCC.

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My guess is that it won't charge a couple of AA's in the unit. It needs to know that there is a battery pack in there rather than say normal alkaline batteries. The switch on the photo in a previous post possibly has something to do with it and maybe you can 'fool' it into charging AA's :)

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My guess is that it won't charge a couple of AA's in the unit. It needs to know that there is a battery pack in there rather than say normal alkaline batteries. The switch on the photo in a previous post possibly has something to do with it and maybe you can 'fool' it into charging AA's :)

 

I agree the Montana doesn't charge rechargeables but does its own pack. The connectors for the pack are separate from where you put batteries.

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My guess is that it won't charge a couple of AA's in the unit. It needs to know that there is a battery pack in there rather than say normal alkaline batteries. The switch on the photo in a previous post possibly has something to do with it and maybe you can 'fool' it into charging AA's :)

 

I agree the Montana doesn't charge rechargeables but does its own pack. The connectors for the pack are separate from where you put batteries.

 

Plus, a spare charged pack is smaller, lighter and more convenient than three extra AAs rolling around in your pocket. :laughing:

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Im more concerned about the map redraw. It doesnt seem fast enough and Im concerned that at somewhat high speed (for ie on a bike) it will not refresh fast enough like the 550 that I own.

Will need to read the reviews to make a decision but I will definitely wait till it comes down to the $300.00 range... Definitely not paying $500.00 for a GPS... Those days are gone.

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Definitely not paying $500.00 for a GPS... Those days are gone.

 

Buy it from L.L. Bean. Lifetime warranty for repair, exchange or refund at any time for any reason. :anibad:

 

do tell more

 

Go do research above and beyond the warranty I pretty much quoted right here. :D

 

Or R.E.I

 

I like L.L Bean. I'm on the, ahem, "same" pair of hiking boots from the '90s. :laughing:

 

I bought my Montana 600 from Bean to try it out and returned it because I really didn't want to spend that much. I did it because I could absolutely not find one around here to play with in person. Got a full refund no problem and then bought it right back from them a while later after they dropped the price and they'd sent me a 20% off email coupon. :lol:

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Definitely not paying $500.00 for a GPS... Those days are gone.

 

Buy it from L.L. Bean. Lifetime warranty for repair, exchange or refund at any time for any reason. :anibad:

 

do tell more

 

Go do research above and beyond the warranty I pretty much quoted right here. :D

 

Or R.E.I

 

I like L.L Bean. I'm on the, ahem, "same" pair of hiking boots from the '90s. :laughing:

 

I bought my Montana 600 from Bean to try it out and returned it because I really didn't want to spend that much. I did it because I could absolutely not find one around here to play with in person. Got a full refund no problem and then bought it right back from them a while later after they dropped the price and they'd sent me a 20% off email coupon. :lol:

 

I wonder if that works for mail orders too, we don't one in Colorado. Although I have owned several garmin units in my life and not a single one ever broke so I'm not too worried about that.

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There are 5 custom functions associated with the buttons. Seems to me that even without the ability to use the screen with winter gloves that the user can still access enough with the button shortcuts to switch screens, change maps, mark waypoints, etc. I'm sold.

 

And I'd like to point out that I was right about the first reviews coming from overseas (where there is no FCC). :rolleyes:

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Definitely not paying $500.00 for a GPS... Those days are gone.

 

Buy it from L.L. Bean. Lifetime warranty for repair, exchange or refund at any time for any reason. :anibad:

 

do tell more

 

Go do research above and beyond the warranty I pretty much quoted right here. :D

 

Or R.E.I

 

I like L.L Bean. I'm on the, ahem, "same" pair of hiking boots from the '90s. :laughing:

 

I bought my Montana 600 from Bean to try it out and returned it because I really didn't want to spend that much. I did it because I could absolutely not find one around here to play with in person. Got a full refund no problem and then bought it right back from them a while later after they dropped the price and they'd sent me a 20% off email coupon. :lol:

 

I wonder if that works for mail orders too, we don't one in Colorado. Although I have owned several garmin units in my life and not a single one ever broke so I'm not too worried about that.

 

Of course it works for mail orders. There isn't an L.L Bean around here, either. Everything I buy from them is on-line.

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I wonder if they'll still have some ridiculous map tile limit like only 4000 tiles on the Montana. You'd think Garmin would release a unit that would let you load ALL of their TOPO US map and have it available for use instead of forcing you to buy a "T" model. :rolleyes:

 

why would they sell T model then ? :anitongue:

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I wonder if they'll still have some ridiculous map tile limit like only 4000 tiles on the Montana. You'd think Garmin would release a unit that would let you load ALL of their TOPO US map and have it available for use instead of forcing you to buy a "T" model. :rolleyes:

 

why would they sell T model then ? :anitongue:

 

Because, if they didn't, you'd still have to buy the Garmin TOPO DVD. Or find it from an, ahem, "alternate source". :anibad:

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I wonder if they'll still have some ridiculous map tile limit like only 4000 tiles on the Montana. You'd think Garmin would release a unit that would let you load ALL of their TOPO US map and have it available for use instead of forcing you to buy a "T" model. :rolleyes:

 

I keep hoping that Garmin will figure out that the 1:100,000 scale of the topos on their T models is insufficient for hikers. I would happily pay the extra $100 for the T model if they included the Garmin 1:24K regional maps, which include routable streets.

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I wonder if they'll still have some ridiculous map tile limit like only 4000 tiles on the Montana. You'd think Garmin would release a unit that would let you load ALL of their TOPO US map and have it available for use instead of forcing you to buy a "T" model. :rolleyes:

 

I keep hoping that Garmin will figure out that the 1:100,000 scale of the topos on their T models is insufficient for hikers. I would happily pay the extra $100 for the T model if they included the Garmin 1:24K regional maps, which include routable streets.

 

Someone else mentioned gpsfiledepot.com. That really is a good site. They have extremely detailed TOPO maps of just about every state. The Arizona and Florida ones are very good and I spend a lot of time in both states. Free, too! And legal, as mentioned earlier. :laughing:

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I would happily pay the extra $100 for the T model if they included the Garmin 1:24K regional maps, which include routable streets.

 

Even if they would bundle the DVD you would have a nightmare with buying the right GPS for your region. The 24K stuff is just too memory hungry. I agree though, at that extra price for the T model, and the fact that most people rarely leave their home state, 100K seems clunky. They might be able to fit it all on a 32GB internal memory but that is likely to be cost prohibitive at the moment.

 

Eh, great case for just getting the base model and buying the 24K for $100.

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It is dutch, not german ;)

Man, I wish I spoke German Dutch ;). New Oregon video.

 

 

It might have been a foregone conclusion since the new Oregons borrow their firmware look and feel from the Montana but this video verifies a "NIGHT MODE"!! About time the Oregons got it. It also confirms the collapsible dashboard on the map screen.

 

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"Bridal Show"? HA! That's hilarious. Thanks for the laugh gulo!

 

btw the video looks great. Of course coming from 60CSX all the new menus looks super fancy to me, but I like how snappy navigating the menus or scrolling down the lists looks.

 

I am definitely buying Oregon 600 when it comes out (unless they announce something else before then :)

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...and what are .GGZ files ??

 

Load caches from GSAK. Or use your favorite program or website supporting GGZ files*.

 

I use GSAK, and I am still unfamiliar with the *.GGZ file format. Can you share more information? How does it compare to a *.GPX?

 

I saw the GGZ file statement, that I posted, in the writeup for each model.

That's all I know about GGZ files.

 

.ggz files sound like another garmin proprietary thing. Probably has some opencaching tie-in.

 

Pretty slick looking unit though!

 

That was posted today on Garmin's Opencaching forum...it may shed some more light on the .GCZ format.

 

"1.My understanding, as stated by Stealth in person, is that the new feature that allows for unlimited caches on the device is a new file type Garmin has worked on. They are not withholding the programming and it will be available for Groundspeak to use, but it will require Groundspeak to do some work on their end to provide the option on GC.com, if they choose to use it. Since it is a Garmin feature, it would also force other GPSr manufacturers to upgrade their software/hardware accordingly to also keep up. It will work with OC.com immediately, but no surprise there. It CAN eventually work on other sites if those sites upgrade software on their end."

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I'm predicting that the new Oregon 600 series will have a new way of selecting/viewing custom maps, the raster image kind. If the new units can send/receive custom maps wirelessly between units then the whole point of that would be very limited if you couldn't "select" which custom map to view on the unit itself in the field. So if Garmin doesn't drop the silly limit on the custom map size, then perhaps they'll take it a step further by allowing us to have multiple Custom Maps on the unit while allowing us to select, in the field, which one we see on the screen at any one time.

 

If my buddy were to send me a custom map via wireless in the field (the only place wireless is really needed) and I couldn't select it to show up on my GPS screen in the field, what would be the point?

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...and what are .GGZ files ??

 

Load caches from GSAK. Or use your favorite program or website supporting GGZ files*.

 

I use GSAK, and I am still unfamiliar with the *.GGZ file format. Can you share more information? How does it compare to a *.GPX?

 

I saw the GGZ file statement, that I posted, in the writeup for each model.

That's all I know about GGZ files.

 

.ggz files sound like another garmin proprietary thing. Probably has some opencaching tie-in.

 

Pretty slick looking unit though!

 

That was posted today on Garmin's Opencaching forum...it may shed some more light on the .GCZ format.

 

"1.My understanding, as stated by Stealth in person, is that the new feature that allows for unlimited caches on the device is a new file type Garmin has worked on. They are not withholding the programming and it will be available for Groundspeak to use, but it will require Groundspeak to do some work on their end to provide the option on GC.com, if they choose to use it. Since it is a Garmin feature, it would also force other GPSr manufacturers to upgrade their software/hardware accordingly to also keep up. It will work with OC.com immediately, but no surprise there. It CAN eventually work on other sites if those sites upgrade software on their end."

 

Really glad this came out...I was thinking unlimited caches from GC.ccom....I think 1000 is the biggest PQ currently....it could take a long time for GC to provide a single PQ of ALL existing caches.

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Really glad this came out...I was thinking unlimited caches from GC.ccom....I think 1000 is the biggest PQ currently....it could take a long time for GC to provide a single PQ of ALL existing caches.

 

Groundspeak will never do this.

 

Groundspeak will not take advantage of Garmins new *.GGZ format, nor any of Garmins Oregon 6xx series GPSr new features.

 

Groundspeak will actively work in the opposite direction in an attempt to drive geocachers away from Garmin products.

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Groundspeak will actively work in the opposite direction in an attempt to drive geocachers away from Garmin products.

 

Why would they try to alienate what's probably their largest demographic, i.e. Garmin users?

 

Garmin's alienated a ton of people on their own with their Opencaching antics, so Groundspeak doesn't have to do a thing in that department.

 

The fatal flaws of this new system are:

 

1. It is meant to replace a very solid and favorite file system used by many programs and devices seamlessly with unknown tech, and

 

2. It's nothing more than a publicity stunt. Honestly, is there really a need to load ALL the geocaches out there on one machine, especially given that even 5000 is more than virtually anyone needs at one time?

 

They are trying to introduce a file standard that just isn't needed.

 

 

 

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Well, whatever. If they're smart, they'll do EVERYTHING to ensure compatibility with any and all new Garmin units.

 

Oh they will. As you said, you can't alienate a large section of your users.

 

Particularly as some of us users will just write a conversion program to move GPX file data to GGZ format. Heck it'll probably only be the work of a few minutes. shifty.gif

 

:)Hack We Must :)

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