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Yep, I re calibrated several times. Each time I did it would point the right direction and I could watch it twist about 160° from my current heading. At times it would stick and not rotate at all.

 

No good :( I was hoping a simple recalibration would fix the issue.

 

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Yep, I re calibrated several times. Each time I did it would point the right direction and I could watch it twist about 160° from my current heading. At times it would stick and not rotate at all.

 

Forgive me if this is a silly question but are you sure your compass is turned on? If you have it off the compass will only use the GPS to calculate your direction and often behave as you describe when standing still. Make sure in your "Heading" setup menu that your compass says "Auto".

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Yep, I re calibrated several times. Each time I did it would point the right direction and I could watch it twist about 160° from my current heading. At times it would stick and not rotate at all.

 

Forgive me if this is a silly question but are you sure your compass is turned on? If you have it off the compass will only use the GPS to calculate your direction and often behave as you describe when standing still. Make sure in your "Heading" setup menu that your compass says "Auto".

Yeah, I've turned the compass off and on as well as the device. It just sucks that it didn't do this until after upgrading from 2.6 to 2.7

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A word of warning

 

I have had my Oregon 450, now Oregon 600, lose track of my loaded Geocaches. Keeping them on the internal memory means finding a computer to delete then reload them between power down/power up cycle, to clear memory.

 

I find it a very good idea to get a MicroSD card, 8G or better, depending upon your needs for maps, mostly, and keeping maps and pocket queries on it. If it looses track of things you only need to power down, remove batteries, MicroSD card, replace batteries, power up, power down, remove batteries, replace MicroSD, replace batteries and power up again, to recover - something you can do in the field, away from computer.

 

Interesting. I never had this happen on my 400t. I'll keep an eye out on my 600, but everything that I have on my 600, I'll also have on my Samsung Galaxy S4 and my Moto Xoom. I wonder if this issue comes up w/ .ggz files. I haven't had GSAK create these yet, but it seems to be good on a couple 10K+ .gpx files I've got loaded on the 600.

 

During the past week it did it again, while somewhere in the middle of Florida. Most vexing. All I had were the waypoints, which are in a separate gpx file in a PQ, but caches had all vanished. A removal of the MicroSD and reboot and power down and replace of the MicroSD and power up again brought them back. Pretty irritating, but at least when things are kept on the MicroSD this is possible, using internal memory means the end of the caching day.

 

I had this happen for the first time yesterday. My 600 crashed and then stuck on the power-up (Garmin logo) screen. I removed the batteries and then noticed that all my maps and waypoints (that were on the SD card) were gone :mad: . I tried the trick (remove SD card, power up/down, put SD card back) but it did not work. I had to reload maps/waypoints. I upgraded firmware to 2.7 a couple of days ago...

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Anyone with the Garmin Oregon 600t, can you confirm that it only has 300MB available on the device? I can easily run out of this, and I don't want to trust to using a uSD card on it. I'm thinking about going ahead and picking up a 600 instead of the 600t just because it has 1.5GB of available internal memory.

 

According to the Garmin Oregon 6xx Wiki (at http://garminoregon6...es.com/Hardware) the memory in the various models is as follows:

600 - 1.8GB total with 1.5GB free

600t - 3.6GB total with 809MB free

650 - 3.6GB total with 2.6GB free

650t - 7.2GB with 4GB free.

 

These figures are backed up by screenshots, but the t models will presumably vary a bit depending on which country's topo map is installed. The 650 models are still not released yet so the figures must be based on pre-production units.

 

The Oregon 6xx Wiki has a lot of other very useful answers to some of the questions being asked here, and is being created by early users.

 

Chris

 

A word of warning

 

I have had my Oregon 450, now Oregon 600, lose track of my loaded Geocaches. Keeping them on the internal memory means finding a computer to delete then reload them between power down/power up cycle, to clear memory.

 

I find it a very good idea to get a MicroSD card, 8G or better, depending upon your needs for maps, mostly, and keeping maps and pocket queries on it. If it looses track of things you only need to power down, remove batteries, MicroSD card, replace batteries, power up, power down, remove batteries, replace MicroSD, replace batteries and power up again, to recover - something you can do in the field, away from computer.

 

Interesting. I never had this happen on my 400t. I'll keep an eye out on my 600, but everything that I have on my 600, I'll also have on my Samsung Galaxy S4 and my Moto Xoom. I wonder if this issue comes up w/ .ggz files. I haven't had GSAK create these yet, but it seems to be good on a couple 10K+ .gpx files I've got loaded on the 600.

 

During the past week it did it again, while somewhere in the middle of Florida. Most vexing. All I had were the waypoints, which are in a separate gpx file in a PQ, but caches had all vanished. A removal of the MicroSD and reboot and power down and replace of the MicroSD and power up again brought them back. Pretty irritating, but at least when things are kept on the MicroSD this is possible, using internal memory means the end of the caching day.

 

I am very disappointed to hear that the 600 series is having this problem. This has been a frequent problem with my 62s and when it happens, the GPS becomes useless to me. I typically have to connect to my laptop and dump and reload all the GPX files to fix it. Seriously Garmin, you can't fix this problem after all this time??? I had my heart set on the 650t, which I see is in stock now at Cabelas, but now I am rethinking my plan to purchase.

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This is no reason to not buy it. Garmins have had this problem for as long as I can remember. Just get a sd card and put the caches on it and when it happens (which isn't that often) follow the long established for recovery.

 

You talk about it happening frequently on your current device. Why haven't you used the well known solution so it doesn't ruin what you are doing.

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You talk about it happening frequently on your current device. Why haven't you used the well known solution so it doesn't ruin what you are doing.

 

I have had locking up problems with my 62s when the SD card is installed and besides, why should I pay 1/2 a grand for a GPS that has such a bug. Garmin needs to fix the problem. The same GPX files that stop working on my 62s always open up fine on my various computer applications.

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I had my 450 up until last night (when it became permanently lost) and for the past 4-5 months I've had the same locking up issue and sometimes the issue of having no caches showing up even though they are on the sd card. In both instances I do the master reset when powering up the unit and everything works out fine. No need to unload/reload gpx files. The only downfall to the reset is I have to reconfigure my unit and get it back to my own specs but it usually only takes about 5 minutes then I'm ready to go.

 

That being said without starting a new topic I need to get a new unit today and am stuck. I can get a new Montana 600 for $250 or spend the extra for the Oregon 600. I like the idea of having unlimited gpx files on the Oregon but using a mac and the pocket queries I'm not sure what the best route would be when trying to load that many caches without doing a ton of the PQ's?

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I had my 450 up until last night (when it became permanently lost) and for the past 4-5 months I've had the same locking up issue and sometimes the issue of having no caches showing up even though they are on the sd card. In both instances I do the master reset when powering up the unit and everything works out fine. No need to unload/reload gpx files. The only downfall to the reset is I have to reconfigure my unit and get it back to my own specs but it usually only takes about 5 minutes then I'm ready to go.

 

That being said without starting a new topic I need to get a new unit today and am stuck. I can get a new Montana 600 for $250 or spend the extra for the Oregon 600. I like the idea of having unlimited gpx files on the Oregon but using a mac and the pocket queries I'm not sure what the best route would be when trying to load that many caches without doing a ton of the PQ's?

 

While the master reset did the job. The off/remove sd card/start/off/put back card/start does it without mucking up all your settings.

 

The best way to get the large amount of caches would be GSAK and use the API to load it up then have it write to the gps.

 

As to wanting Garmin to fix the problem we would all like that but it appears the only to avoid the problem is buy a Magellan.

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So I finally got my 650 a couple of days ago and want to start loading as many caches into it as I can. I know this has been posted already but I can't seem to find it. What is the most that I can fit on my GPSr with GPX, and is there a way to start using the GGZ so I can load a lot more?

 

Thanks and Happy Caching

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Well after months of waiting I received my 650 on Wednesday. Everything was fine till I tried to find a cache, press the GO button and the unit hangs up!! Still on Firmware 2.6 but it seems 2.7 has issues? Oh what to do??

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LOL well I updated the firmware and it hung when I tried for a hint. This is my 5th Garmin and for the most part they have been problem free. I love my Oregon 450 and I like the 650.. what of it I see and how it works but if it hangs.. :anibad:

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So I finally got my 650 a couple of days ago and want to start loading as many caches into it as I can. I know this has been posted already but I can't seem to find it. What is the most that I can fit on my GPSr with GPX, and is there a way to start using the GGZ so I can load a lot more?

 

Not sure on the limit but as I understand it the latest build of GSAK will if you select the Oregon 600 or 650 as your GPS when you send your caches to the unit send them as GGZ waypoints.

 

Andrew

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So I finally got my 650 a couple of days ago and want to start loading as many caches into it as I can. I know this has been posted already but I can't seem to find it. What is the most that I can fit on my GPSr with GPX, and is there a way to start using the GGZ so I can load a lot more?

 

Thanks and Happy Caching

As far as anyone knows, the limit is 2 million and does not matter about the format. The GGZ should help it boot faster, so it may be worth using GSAK if you are adding a large amount.

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So I finally got my 650 a couple of days ago and want to start loading as many caches into it as I can. I know this has been posted already but I can't seem to find it. What is the most that I can fit on my GPSr with GPX, and is there a way to start using the GGZ so I can load a lot more?

 

Not sure on the limit but as I understand it the latest build of GSAK will if you select the Oregon 600 or 650 as your GPS when you send your caches to the unit send them as GGZ waypoints.

 

Andrew

 

I'm running the latest GSAK (8.2.0.11) and it's not giving me the option to select Oregon 600 or 650 as my GPSr. So it probably isn't sending as a GGZ either.

 

Edit to add that I found GSAK (8.2.1.199) so I'll see what that does.

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For all of those with the 650 models, what do you think of the unit? Mine is on it's way here but I'm concerned about the lockups being reported. Was it worth the price you paid or if you had to do it over again would you wait for something else? My Montana would sometimes lock up with a white screen when turning it off. Only a battery pull would get the unit back. It was very annoying and would happen at random but other than that the Montana 650t was pretty solid but it was sold so I need something new. I'm just curious if you guys think the Oregon 650t is worth the $550 price tag.

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I was wondering why you sold your Montana. I am very fond of mine when hiking/biking and have my Camelback although it is a little large for hanging on the belt when i don't have the pack. While the new Oregon does seem to have some nice features I would miss the Montana screen.

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For all of those with the 650 models, what do you think of the unit? Mine is on it's way here but I'm concerned about the lockups being reported. Was it worth the price you paid or if you had to do it over again would you wait for something else? My Montana would sometimes lock up with a white screen when turning it off. Only a battery pull would get the unit back. It was very annoying and would happen at random but other than that the Montana 650t was pretty solid but it was sold so I need something new. I'm just curious if you guys think the Oregon 650t is worth the $550 price tag.

 

I'd like it if I could get it to work! =( Keeps hanging up.. may be this unit but I'm not very happy. It is my 5th Garmin and never has a new one caused so many problems. If I can't get it going to day it is back in the box and returned Monday!!

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So I finally got my 650 a couple of days ago and want to start loading as many caches into it as I can. I know this has been posted already but I can't seem to find it. What is the most that I can fit on my GPSr with GPX, and is there a way to start using the GGZ so I can load a lot more?

 

Not sure on the limit but as I understand it the latest build of GSAK will if you select the Oregon 600 or 650 as your GPS when you send your caches to the unit send them as GGZ waypoints.

 

Andrew

 

I'm running the latest GSAK (8.2.0.11) and it's not giving me the option to select Oregon 600 or 650 as my GPSr. So it probably isn't sending as a GGZ either.

 

Edit to add that I found GSAK (8.2.1.199) so I'll see what that does.

 

 

GSAK gives you the option to send the geocaches to your Oregon 600 as a GGZ file. You are not limited to GGZ files only using GSAK

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So how do you get that many caches to put into the 600. at max 5 queries a day you only get 3500 caches a week

You can get 1000 caches in a PQ, so it's 35000 caches a week (not counting overlap from the same caches). But by the end of the week, Sunday's cache listings are already getting stale.

 

The generous cache limit is great for traveling cachers who don't want to worry about adding an extra city or two. It's not so great for people who just need to fill it up.

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The photos on the new Oregon 650 are pretty amazing. I actually compared them to my iPhone and they are at least as good in bright light and better in low light in my opinion. Way out in front of the Montana series. A rather dramatic improvement.

 

The focus speed, image processing, and shutter lag are impressive for it's class. I often became frustrated with my Montana when taking photos because it was difficult to tell when the photo actually took. The Oregon 650 is very quick.

 

I'm also happy to report the color distortion from the center to the edges of the photo, as experienced with the Montana, is completely gone in the new Oregon.

 

I took macro shots of a bee today and you can count the hairs on its tiny back. With flower stamens you can actually count the tiny grains of pollen and see details that would wash out on the Montana.

 

The LED flash is very effective at freezing subjects in low or no light. I only wish the Oregon came with a countdown timer so I could set the GPS on a rock and snap a group shot (with myself included).

 

Highly recommended.

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The photos on the new Oregon 650 are pretty amazing. I actually compared them to my iPhone and they are at least as good in bright light and better in low light in my opinion. Way out in front of the Montana series. A rather dramatic improvement.

 

The focus speed, image processing, and shutter lag are impressive for it's class. I often became frustrated with my Montana when taking photos because it was difficult to tell when the photo actually took. The Oregon 650 is very quick.

 

I'm also happy to report the color distortion from the center to the edges of the photo, as experienced with the Montana, is completely gone in the new Oregon.

 

I took macro shots of a bee today and you can count the hairs on its tiny back. With flower stamens you can actually count the tiny grains of pollen and see details that would wash out on the Montana.

 

The LED flash is very effective at freezing subjects in low or no light. I only wish the Oregon came with a countdown timer so I could set the GPS on a rock and snap a group shot (with myself included).

 

Highly recommended.

Yogazoo. Brilliant review. Thanks for that. Can't wait for them be be available in the UK.

 

Cheers

 

Nick

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Here's the bee shot taken by an Oregon 650. This image may have been reduced or altered slightly by the hosting site. So don't go pixel peeping. Notice the rich color tones, nice bokeh, and accurate color rendition from edge to edge.

 

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So how do you get that many caches to put into the 600. at max 5 queries a day you only get 3500 caches a week

You can get 1000 caches in a PQ, so it's 35000 caches a week (not counting overlap from the same caches). But by the end of the week, Sunday's cache listings are already getting stale.

 

The generous cache limit is great for traveling cachers who don't want to worry about adding an extra city or two. It's not so great for people who just need to fill it up.

 

And you don't need to use PQs to keep all the old stuff fresh, you can use GSAK to refresh caches that are already in a database. I keep my home area (65mi radius of downtown Houston) of ~11K fresh, I've got it split into 2 data bases w/ ~10K in one an the rest in the other. You can perform a refresh from GSAK and it will pull the new data for the caches in the data base (perform the light mode it does 10K per day, do the heavy mode and it's 5K per day. I'm not certain of the diff's may be log files, it grabs the Fav pts when doing this.) So I'm only pulling the latest caches.

 

When searching a new place I do mine by date, and getting them in just under 1K for each date range. In the past I've pulled in large areas of Seattle, Portland, Lakeland and many other area's using this method, can pretty much pull everything from an area in 1-2 days depending how large it is.

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Anyone with the Garmin Oregon 600t, can you confirm that it only has 300MB available on the device? I can easily run out of this, and I don't want to trust to using a uSD card on it. I'm thinking about going ahead and picking up a 600 instead of the 600t just because it has 1.5GB of available internal memory.

 

According to the Garmin Oregon 6xx Wiki (at http://garminoregon6xx.wikispaces.com/Hardware) the memory in the various models is as follows:

600 - 1.8GB total with 1.5GB free

600t - 3.6GB total with 809MB free

650 - 3.6GB total with 2.6GB free

650t - 7.2GB with 4GB free.

 

These figures are backed up by screenshots, but the t models will presumably vary a bit depending on which country's topo map is installed. The 650 models are still not released yet so the figures must be based on pre-production units.

 

The Oregon 6xx Wiki has a lot of other very useful answers to some of the questions being asked here, and is being created by early users.

 

Chris

 

A word of warning

 

I have had my Oregon 450, now Oregon 600, lose track of my loaded Geocaches. Keeping them on the internal memory means finding a computer to delete then reload them between power down/power up cycle, to clear memory.

 

I find it a very good idea to get a MicroSD card, 8G or better, depending upon your needs for maps, mostly, and keeping maps and pocket queries on it. If it looses track of things you only need to power down, remove batteries, MicroSD card, replace batteries, power up, power down, remove batteries, replace MicroSD, replace batteries and power up again, to recover - something you can do in the field, away from computer.

 

Interesting. I never had this happen on my 400t. I'll keep an eye out on my 600, but everything that I have on my 600, I'll also have on my Samsung Galaxy S4 and my Moto Xoom. I wonder if this issue comes up w/ .ggz files. I haven't had GSAK create these yet, but it seems to be good on a couple 10K+ .gpx files I've got loaded on the 600.

 

During the past week it did it again, while somewhere in the middle of Florida. Most vexing. All I had were the waypoints, which are in a separate gpx file in a PQ, but caches had all vanished. A removal of the MicroSD and reboot and power down and replace of the MicroSD and power up again brought them back. Pretty irritating, but at least when things are kept on the MicroSD this is possible, using internal memory means the end of the caching day.

 

Well I switched over to .ggz files before I went to Geowoodstock. I still haven't had the issue you've described and I am keeping my .ggz on internal memory. I wonder if this is only an issue w/ .gpx files. As I mentioned before I never had this issue on my 400t. The closest thing I've had to this was my on my 400t was when I deleted all .gpx files and then loaded a new .gpx then it would get confused and not want to load the .gpx file, I'd have to power cycle it a few times to get it to work. I learned that you should not delete 100% of the .gpx files from the unit or it will cause issue when loading the added .gpx files.

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I was wondering why you sold your Montana. I am very fond of mine when hiking/biking and have my Camelback although it is a little large for hanging on the belt when i don't have the pack. While the new Oregon does seem to have some nice features I would miss the Montana screen.

 

I had it on my motorcycle and it went with the bike when I sold it (F800gs) last year.

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Well I switched over to .ggz files before I went to Geowoodstock. I still haven't had the issue you've described and I am keeping my .ggz on internal memory. I wonder if this is only an issue w/ .gpx files. As I mentioned before I never had this issue on my 400t. The closest thing I've had to this was my on my 400t was when I deleted all .gpx files and then loaded a new .gpx then it would get confused and not want to load the .gpx file, I'd have to power cycle it a few times to get it to work. I learned that you should not delete 100% of the .gpx files from the unit or it will cause issue when loading the added .gpx files.

 

I'm finding these bug reports as rather disturbing, especially when compared with the early euphoric reports that the Oregon 6xx was the geocacher's dream machine!

 

My Oregon 400t locks up from time to time but never loses its geocaches... and I keep mine in the internal memory as the SD card is a read-only OSGB map card. Hopefully they'll solve the problems with updated software by Christmas ;)

 

As to your other problem, my procedure for replacing GPX files on my 400t is to first delete the old file. Then I disconnect the 400t from my PC and turn it on (I think this flushes out the internal index or filecache.) I then load the new GPX file (often with the same name as the old one). On disconnecting the 400t and turning it on again it seems to then rebuild the geocache index from the new file.

 

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Here's the bee shot taken by an Oregon 650. This image may have been reduced or altered slightly by the hosting site. So don't go pixel peeping. Notice the rich color tones, nice bokeh, and accurate color rendition from edge to edge.

 

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Great picture! Thanks for doing that.

 

Nick

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Here's the bee shot taken by an Oregon 650. This image may have been reduced or altered slightly by the hosting site. So don't go pixel peeping. Notice the rich color tones, nice bokeh, and accurate color rendition from edge to edge.

 

1370827159.jpg

Great picture! Thanks for doing that.

 

Nick

 

Very nice, but is obvious picture of Cagey Bee.

 

I've only this to report on my Oregon 600 travels in the past week, which has included caching in 117°F heat, it keeps right on going (bugs and all)

 

on 2.70 and the compass is useless; descriptions sometimes, after the unity have been on for a long spell, come up partially, hang or I get grey bars across the screen part way down (power off and on usually sorts it out), still having to watch for caches without a defined size as they still do not show on the map (but will is cache lists) the little black arrow is about as dumb as the compass, not telling me anything useful until I'm nearly on top of the cache (then it comes over all smarty pants and like, pointing at it.)

 

Those things aside, it's holding up pretty well, considering a fair bit of knocking around.

 

I'm still hoping to be able to toggle screen locking with the User Key, one to lock, two to unlock. Can't begin to tell anyone how many times I find some incidental contact has put the thing into Reset modes, change configs, restore defaults, max zoom out or asking it I really really want to completely reset the entire unit, wipe all memory and initiate the next ice age.

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I just got my 650 and the maps I was hoping would work look like crap - all grey with the lakes not showing up right in the BWCA of northern MN. Any chance someone could try these maps and see if they don't look all grey and blocky with no lakes defined at all? You'd be a life saver if you could tell me how to get them to look right...

 

http://www.gpsfiledepot.com/maps/view/153/

 

thanks!

dan

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on 2.70 and the compass is useless; descriptions sometimes, after the unity have been on for a long spell, come up partially, hang or I get grey bars across the screen part way down (power off and on usually sorts it out), still having to watch for caches without a defined size as they still do not show on the map (but will is cache lists) the little black arrow is about as dumb as the compass, not telling me anything useful until I'm nearly on top of the cache (then it comes over all smarty pants and like, pointing at it.)

Exactly my same issues after 2.7

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I just got my 650 and the maps I was hoping would work look like crap - all grey with the lakes not showing up right in the BWCA of northern MN. Any chance someone could try these maps and see if they don't look all grey and blocky with no lakes defined at all? You'd be a life saver if you could tell me how to get them to look right...

 

http://www.gpsfiledepot.com/maps/view/153/

 

thanks!

dan

 

Dan,I tried the maps. (Have not been to to the BWCA in a long time) but they look about the same as they do in Basecamp in my 650. I just used the standard recreation Profile with settings(Detail=More, Shaded relief=show if available). If you go north of the border and don't have any maps for Canada loaded, it would look like what you are describing.

 

Screens from that map set:

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Thanks for checking it out for me, madturk! I did notice this morning that they look fine when the 650 is in daylight instead of night mode, so it must be something weird with the maps & the inverted night mode. Fortunately I don't do much navigating in the BWCA at night. :)

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In that case take a white picture and use that as a gps background (in that profile).

You could do that, or as I have done, create solid images in photoshop and set each as a background to see which you like in different lights. I'll zip up mine and post them publicly, with instructions when I get bsck home. In Oceanside atm, while cache o mobile is in for engine work in Irvine. :P

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Thanks for checking it out for me, madturk! I did notice this morning that they look fine when the 650 is in daylight instead of night mode, so it must be something weird with the maps & the inverted night mode. Fortunately I don't do much navigating in the BWCA at night. :)

 

Setup --> Appearance --> Mode --> Day

 

Keeps it in Day mode. :)

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