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My 600 arrived on Friday but today was first time I've been out with it. Very underwhelmed! It has frozen every few minutes and only way to unfreeze is to remove batteries! Frustrating annoying and peed off! Reverted to iPhone.

Have you loaded the updated firmware that is available for it?

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My 600 arrived on Friday but today was first time I've been out with it. Very underwhelmed! It has frozen every few minutes and only way to unfreeze is to remove batteries! Frustrating annoying and peed off! Reverted to iPhone.

 

Did you update the firmware to 2.60 since you got your unit? I'm going to guess No.

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My 600 arrived on Friday but today was first time I've been out with it. Very underwhelmed! It has frozen every few minutes and only way to unfreeze is to remove batteries! Frustrating annoying and peed off! Reverted to iPhone.

 

Did you update the firmware to 2.60 since you got your unit? I'm going to guess No.

 

I need to do this, too. I took mine out on a long-ish hike on Saturday, to get the feel of what I like and what I need to change. Some bugs, like the pointer no moving on the map or pointing the wrong way for a while before straightening out. Haven't had it crash or freeze, yet. About 8 hours of use so far.

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I just read a review of the Oregon 650, but I'm not sure if having GLONASS support have improved accuracy or not. Is it any faster at getting a satellite fix and determining a location any faster than the Garmin 62 series? How does it fare against the ancient, but reliable Garmin 60CSX?

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Sorry, but I have a few more questions to ask. Is there a reason why the Oregon 600t have so little built-in memory?

 

I'm primarily interested in getting this for the track log feature to record my journeys. Is it correct that all the Oregon units have the ability to record a track point every 1 second for the recording interval? Can it also record in the auto record method, most often interval? Those two settings have existed in previous Garmin handheld units. I'm expecting them to be in the Oregon, but I want to ask just in case it doesn't.

 

The Oregon 600 have 1.5GB of space. The Oregon 650 have 3.5GB of space. The Garmin 62 series cannot record the track logs to the microSD card for some bizarre reason. I say it's bizarre because I can record the data to the microSD for my Garmin 60CSX. It wasn't that much of an issue because the Garmin 62 unit have plenty of memory. So can the Oregon 600 and 650 record tracks that can take up all of its available memory? I realize that of the 1.5GB available on the Oregon 600, I'll probably get less than advertised for my own use. Let's say 1GB is available for the end user. Will the Oregon 600 be able to record track logs with an interval of 1 second (in other words, saving a gps coordinat every single second) and utilize all 1GB of space?

 

Thank you.

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Glosnass doesn't make it more accurate, but when Gps reception is bad for whatever reason you might receive Glosnass satellites and will be able to continue.

 

While using a track you will be able to write for months of continues tracks. The gpsr closes a track after 100.000 trackpoints and start a new one. All these track have a name with date and time, making it easy to see what is what.

On my Montana a track of 2.30 hours takes 195 Kb !!!

 

BTW most of the time you don;t need a trackpoint every second, if you set automatic, meaning if you go in a straight line it will write a trackpoint about every 5 seconds, if you go off the straight line it will register about every second.

 

The 6XX will definitely have some startup problems and some are severe, it's up to Garmin now to make the software better and they will come with new software soon.

 

As good and stable as 60th series is, it's a very old model now and doesn't have many functions of the 6XX series.

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My experience using a GPS both with and without GLONASS is that it is indeed more accurate with GLONASS. Caveat here though, I've only checked this in the UK so it may be different elsewhere.

I find where I am (N45 W75) that GLONASS does seem to help when I am under heavy tree cover.

 

I've been out with friends that use Oregon 450 units, and without heavy tree cover, the devices are within a few metres of each other.

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Sorry, but I have a few more questions to ask. Is there a reason why the Oregon 600t have so little built-in memory?

 

I'm primarily interested in getting this for the track log feature to record my journeys. Is it correct that all the Oregon units have the ability to record a track point every 1 second for the recording interval? Can it also record in the auto record method, most often interval? Those two settings have existed in previous Garmin handheld units. I'm expecting them to be in the Oregon, but I want to ask just in case it doesn't.

 

The Oregon 600 have 1.5GB of space. The Oregon 650 have 3.5GB of space. The Garmin 62 series cannot record the track logs to the microSD card for some bizarre reason. I say it's bizarre because I can record the data to the microSD for my Garmin 60CSX. It wasn't that much of an issue because the Garmin 62 unit have plenty of memory. So can the Oregon 600 and 650 record tracks that can take up all of its available memory? I realize that of the 1.5GB available on the Oregon 600, I'll probably get less than advertised for my own use. Let's say 1GB is available for the end user. Will the Oregon 600 be able to record track logs with an interval of 1 second (in other words, saving a gps coordinat every single second) and utilize all 1GB of space?

 

Thank you.

 

The 600t has a preloaded topo map, so that's what is taking up so much space.

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accuracy is all about the geometry of the visible satellites. Adding GLONASS you may have more satellites visible (GPS+GLONASS) and therefore may have better accuracy by way of a GLONASS bird having better geometry than a GPS bird for that given time/location.

 

Under ideal conditions with 100% of the sky visible I would not expect GLONASS to improve accuracy but the real world is not like that. With obstructions such as mountains and buildings there is the possibility that one or more GPS satellites will not be visible and reducing accuracy, therefore having GLONASS support could improve the accuracy by giving the receiver more data (hopefully better data) to work with.

 

GPS+GLONASS will not guarantee improved accuracy but in many real world situations it can give improved data when calculating a fix.

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The 6XX will definitely have some startup problems and some are severe

 

:huh:

 

As good and stable as 60th series is, it's a very old model now and doesn't have many functions of the 6XX series.

 

But, it's RELIABLE and built like a brick you-know-what. They're still in demand, too. Take a look at current prices. They're more than what I paid new. The 60CSx has anything anyone would ever need in an outdoor GPS. That thing will get you out of a jam and get you home more reliably than just about any other consumer GPS out there. And, despite what anyone thinks, you don't *need* a built-in camera, paperless caching, etc.

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My experience using a GPS both with and without GLONASS is that it is indeed more accurate with GLONASS. Caveat here though, I've only checked this in the UK so it may be different elsewhere.

 

I've done tests using many replications analyzing tracklogs in difficult tree cover and urban terrain. There are also several studies online where researchers used computer attached equipment and ran many replicates.

 

This isn't even a question. The debate is over. GLONASS improves accuracy in difficult terrain or heavy tree cover. [PERIOD]

 

Write it down, take it to the bank, bet the farm. :)

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This isn't even a question. The debate is over. GLONASS improves accuracy in difficult terrain or heavy tree cover. [PERIOD]

 

Does it cause any significant hit on battery life?

 

Not really, keep the screen backlight a bit down for longer batterylife.

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Glosnass doesn't make it more accurate, but when Gps reception is bad for whatever reason you might receive Glosnass satellites and will be able to continue.

 

While using a track you will be able to write for months of continues tracks. The gpsr closes a track after 100.000 trackpoints and start a new one. All these track have a name with date and time, making it easy to see what is what.

On my Montana a track of 2.30 hours takes 195 Kb !!!

 

BTW most of the time you don;t need a trackpoint every second, if you set automatic, meaning if you go in a straight line it will write a trackpoint about every 5 seconds, if you go off the straight line it will register about every second.

 

The 6XX will definitely have some startup problems and some are severe, it's up to Garmin now to make the software better and they will come with new software soon.

 

As good and stable as 60th series is, it's a very old model now and doesn't have many functions of the 6XX series.

 

I'm using the GPS for geotagging so recording a track point every single second matters to me. I took the advice from someone who just like you told me not to record it every single second and I regret it. Now, I'm not worried about file sizes. Why should I be worried? Even if the track closes after 100,000 trackpoints and start a new one, why would it matter? As long as the GPS coordinates are record it then that's what matters to me. Now unless recording every single second decreases accuracy or something negative happens, then I'll reconsider, but if file sizes are an issue for you, then it's not a concern for me.

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Sorry, but I have a few more questions to ask. Is there a reason why the Oregon 600t have so little built-in memory?

 

I'm primarily interested in getting this for the track log feature to record my journeys. Is it correct that all the Oregon units have the ability to record a track point every 1 second for the recording interval? Can it also record in the auto record method, most often interval? Those two settings have existed in previous Garmin handheld units. I'm expecting them to be in the Oregon, but I want to ask just in case it doesn't.

 

The Oregon 600 have 1.5GB of space. The Oregon 650 have 3.5GB of space. The Garmin 62 series cannot record the track logs to the microSD card for some bizarre reason. I say it's bizarre because I can record the data to the microSD for my Garmin 60CSX. It wasn't that much of an issue because the Garmin 62 unit have plenty of memory. So can the Oregon 600 and 650 record tracks that can take up all of its available memory? I realize that of the 1.5GB available on the Oregon 600, I'll probably get less than advertised for my own use. Let's say 1GB is available for the end user. Will the Oregon 600 be able to record track logs with an interval of 1 second (in other words, saving a gps coordinat every single second) and utilize all 1GB of space?

 

Thank you.

 

The 600t has a preloaded topo map, so that's what is taking up so much space.

 

My other questions haven't been answered yet, but will the 600 and 650 record gps coordinates/tracks to the device until it fills out its capacity? Let's say I have 1GB available to use on the Oregon 600. Can the 1GB be filled with GPX files produced by the Oregon 600?

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See my reply @ # 962

And in the end it will fill the memory, but that can take a really really long time.

 

Sorry, I got confused there. So on your Montana, you've set the device to record a GPS coordinate at a 1 second interval and it made a 195kb file in 2.5 hours? Is that what you said? Even then, I could still see the memory filled up easily if I were to go on a multi-week trip. Wouldn't you agree?

 

I also want to make sure that I completely understand you here. Despite the fact that after 100,000 points, a new track is created, I can be confident that I won't lose any points in the process right? Every single GPS coordinate will be recorded regardless of whether a new track is created?

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Sgt Strider repeated his mistake twice, therefore my correction; OK.

 

My Garmin (eTrex 30), when memory full, automaticaly archives first part of a track which has exactly 2700 trackpoints into Auto.gpx file. So, the current track is not emptied completely, but has 10000-2700=7300 trackpoints afterwards.

Is this mechanism valid also for Oregon 6xx?

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I just wrote; (should be 10.000 trackpoint btw)

 

195 KB 2.5 hours, so unless you are tracking 24/7, you don't fill it up and even then, it takes you a long time.

So am I getting this correct? 10,000 points per track and you can store 200 tracks? If you record say 1 second that would take roughly 2.8 hrs to fill 10,000 points, this will close and you'll start a new track automatically? You get 200 tracks so 2.8 hrs(to fill a track) * 200 would give you around 560hrs or 23.3 days of constant use before you reach your limit?

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No reason to track every second, unless you're a bee.

My setting tracks less often when on a straight line and more often in a curve.

And why would you want to track 24/7, unless you use it as a tracker (not talking about the supply problem then)

But if so you better buy a tracker, smaller, cheaper and does the same tracking.

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I have no need to track every second continuously. I was just making sure I had the numbers right and how it functions. I just received my Oregon 600 in the mail today. Pretty excited about it. It's a wonderful step up from my iPhone4 of crappy battery life, and poor reception compared to the 600. PQ's, and Gaia GPS worked ok for a short time.

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It's a beautiful gps, <_< <_< <_<

endless possibilities, so a lot to find out.

So far so good. Only shut off on me once after the firmware update. I went into photo viewer and it shut off. Fired it back up, went into it again and it worked fine, so who knows what caused the hiccup. Now to just get a little better at putting trails into the device either via custom maps from trail maps and GE or finding(rarely) gpx files online.

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So...

 

What is the Bluetooth link to mobile basecamp like, what does it do, and does it have any benefits ? I can't find any answers on this feature yet, so hopefully someone here can help.

 

Also how do you physically put thousands and thousands of geocaches on, when you can only get 1000 in a pocket query. ( without using gsak, as I have a mac)

 

Thanks

 

Nick

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Also how do you physically put thousands and thousands of geocaches on, when you can only get 1000 in a pocket query. ( without using gsak, as I have a mac)

 

Thanks

 

Nick

 

Well I expect you will be able to store several PQs (with different names) in the GPSr... but Garmin's marketing people will be selling this as a reason for you to use their site of course. IF that actually has any caches anywhere near where you live of course!

 

Chris

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Also how do you physically put thousands and thousands of geocaches on, when you can only get 1000 in a pocket query. ( without using gsak, as I have a mac)

 

Thanks

 

Nick

 

Well I expect you will be able to store several PQs (with different names) in the GPSr... but Garmin's marketing people will be selling this as a reason for you to use their site of course. IF that actually has any caches anywhere near where you live of course!

 

Chris

 

That's my problem.

 

In the sw of England there are say 100 as opposed to 1000's from geocaching.com !

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No reason to track every second, unless you're a bee.

My setting tracks less often when on a straight line and more often in a curve.

And why would you want to track 24/7, unless you use it as a tracker (not talking about the supply problem then)

But if so you better buy a tracker, smaller, cheaper and does the same tracking.

 

Buddy,

 

There's a reason why that feature is available. No, I'm not tracking or stalking anybody. You remind me of another member of this forum who consistently give that advice even when someone tells you they have a reason to do so. Repeating it won't help because I want to use that feature. Stop telling people what they don't want to hear. You can assert your position once and that's enough.

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I have no need to track every second continuously. I was just making sure I had the numbers right and how it functions. I just received my Oregon 600 in the mail today. Pretty excited about it. It's a wonderful step up from my iPhone4 of crappy battery life, and poor reception compared to the 600. PQ's, and Gaia GPS worked ok for a short time.

 

I would like to know too if you got the math right. I'm confused now and I think there's some incorrect information being posted in this thread. So if the maximum number of tracks that can be stored is 200, then clearly not all 1.5GB of space will be used. Heck, even if 1GB is available, 200 tracks with track points recorded at a 1 second interval will not be anywhere close to utilizing all of that storage space. So will the Oregon 600 start deleting track points once I have accumulated over 200 tracks?

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Buddy,

 

There's a reason why that feature is available. No, I'm not tracking or stalking anybody. You remind me of another member of this forum who consistently give that advice even when someone tells you they have a reason to do so. Repeating it won't help because I want to use that feature. Stop telling people what they don't want to hear. You can assert your position once and that's enough.

 

Believe me, if you are going to use the tracklog that way, you will understand in the end what I mean and why I say this. But if you want to use it that way, whatever.

I'm not trying to let you do anything btw. Simply explaining the options.

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Buddy,

 

There's a reason why that feature is available. No, I'm not tracking or stalking anybody. You remind me of another member of this forum who consistently give that advice even when someone tells you they have a reason to do so. Repeating it won't help because I want to use that feature. Stop telling people what they don't want to hear. You can assert your position once and that's enough.

 

Believe me, if you are going to use the tracklog that way, you will understand in the end what I mean and why I say this. But if you want to use it that way, whatever.

I'm not trying to let you do anything btw. Simply explaining the options.

 

Then why don't you elaborate then? All you're doing is make a general statement and I don't see any compelling reasons to go with your method especially when my goal is to geotag my photos. I want an as accurate of a sync as I can. Why should I sacrifice a bit of accuracy for the sake of a smaller GPX file? Again, you're not providing any compelling reasons. Last I checked, storage space is extremely cheap these days.

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