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Auto Pause is under the track options. You can get to it from Settings > Tracks or the menu from the current track screen as well.

 

But another question then is: Do you get the Garmin boot screen when you turn it back on? If so, it was off.

 

Hi Kolenka,

 

Thanks. Interestingly enough, auto pause was off. I did get the bootup screen when I hit the power button. Today, I turned auto pause ON and did the trip again on a new track. It behaved as expected. When I got to where I stopped the car it beeped at me, presumably to signal tracking was paused because movement had ceased. After an hour or so, I got back in the car and drove off and as soon as I had moved about 100 feet, it beeped again, signaling auto-pause began tracking again. I got to my destination and looked at the track in basecamp and no bee line. So perhaps auto-pause needs to be on or else the unit powers itself down after no movement for a period? I'll try on a longer trip and with a longer "rest" period and see what happens.

 

Any idea how many data points a track can hold? Just driving around for 45 minutes with data interval set to "least" generated 325 track points.

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Thanks. Interestingly enough, auto pause was off. I did get the bootup screen when I hit the power button.

 

That tells me one of two things: Either you tried to turn the screen off yourself and accidentally turned the whole unit off, or it crashed while the screen was off. I honestly would not be surprised if it crashed.

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Garmin product ( as far as I know ) are manufactured in Taiwan – lower price but in many cases also lower manufacturing quality.

Aviation related products are still build on US.

What do you think ?

 

Inside the battery compartment of my 600t it says made in Taiwan. There is also a track recorded from April 2nd that shows GPS coordinates of Garmin in Taiwan. I guess they were testing it at the factory :) But agreed, Taiwan and Thailand are much better at this stuff than the Chinese. Lots of computer equipment like hard drives are made in Thailand.

 

Please, can we get away from these pseudo-nationalist/racist generalisations?

 

I have seen no evidence that goods manufactured in China are inherently worse made than those made elsewhere. That's not to say that I haven't seen shoddy Chinese goods - of course I have, but there are plenty of countries manufacturing poor quality goods - if you go looking, and regard price as your main purchasing criterion.

 

I have recently bought a Panasonic Lumix GH3 camera - £1000 worth of camera - made in China. The build quality of that camera is, simply, superb - easily on a par with any of the Japanese-made cameras I've owned in the past. It's much more down to the quality control and production management systems that are employed in the factories, be they in Guangzhou, Osaka, New Taipei, or Kansas.

 

As to what chipset is in the new Oregon - it won't be the ST Micro Cartesio as that is a GPS/WAAS only product. It might be the ST Micro Teseo II which is used in the new Etrexes, but if it is, I think it would have to be paired up with an additional graphics/system processor as the Teseo II is pretty slow in that department (certainly as implemented in the Etrex).

My guess would be that it's a new one chip solution - but it'd be nice to know for sure. :rolleyes:

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I finally broke down and bought a 600. It's being delivered today. I hope that I'm happy with it because it will be my official first hand held. I've been using my phone or tablet GPS but decided that with all the ATVing and hiking we do that a hand held would do better. Oh yea.. I'm new to this stuff and hope that it will be fun for my son and I to do. We've been looking for more stuff that we could do together and this looked like it might be fun to do. Any suggestions as to were we should start?

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I used my Garmin 600 today first the first time. Since I have an Oregon 450, there wasn’t much of a learning curve.

 

Quick Field Report:

 

Display can easily be read in the sunlight.

 

Crashed a couple of time when I checked the Elevation Plot while I was navigating to a geocache. This is most likely a bug.

 

Maybe it’s just a setting but when I logged a geocache as found it remained on my geocache list. The there is an option to “Show Found” but not to remove/filter out Found geocaches.

 

Software Version is 2.60

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Again to battery life for clearance:

Is it possible to have more than 10 hours with screen ON (as most convinient for bike ride) and map redrawing?

Did Ya try to switch off GLONASS (GPS only) to safe energy? What was the result? Would be therefore ossible to have declared 16 hours with screen ON?

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Map drawing is processor-intensive, so it's going to eat up the battery faster if you leave the map displayed -- especially if you leave the map displayed in track up mode because of all the extra work necessary to rotate the entire map. The good news is that you probably won't need the backlight, so that saves a lot of power. Sorry I don't have any real-world figures for you. I haven't tried leaving it on all day. I'm usually hopping in and out of the car and plugging it in when driving.

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I used my Garmin 600 today first the first time. Since I have an Oregon 450, there wasn’t much of a learning curve.

 

Quick Field Report:

 

Display can easily be read in the sunlight.

 

Crashed a couple of time when I checked the Elevation Plot while I was navigating to a geocache. This is most likely a bug.

 

Maybe it’s just a setting but when I logged a geocache as found it remained on my geocache list. The there is an option to “Show Found” but not to remove/filter out Found geocaches.

 

Software Version is 2.60

 

Select the filter tab of the geocaching app. Tap Status and uncheck "Found". Go back to the list of caches, and the found ones will be gone out of that list.

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Map drawing is processor-intensive, so it's going to eat up the battery faster if you leave the map displayed -- especially if you leave the map displayed in track up mode because of all the extra work necessary to rotate the entire map. The good news is that you probably won't need the backlight, so that saves a lot of power. Sorry I don't have any real-world figures for you. I haven't tried leaving it on all day. I'm usually hopping in and out of the car and plugging it in when driving.

 

I'd need a few more trips myself to be able to give more solid numbers. I can hit 12+ hours with the backlight off but the map on, but that's also mostly letting it squirm around indoors (which does do map redraw due to it jumping around, but that's it). However, I don't use raster maps or anything like that, so it isn't terribly helpful on that front in terms of numbers. I might have some better ones after this weekend.

 

insig is on the right track though. The longer it takes the unit to draw the map, the more CPU time it is spending doing that, which means more battery. So the more layers it has to draw, the worse your battery will be if the screen is on.

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I used my Garmin 600 today first the first time. Since I have an Oregon 450, there wasn’t much of a learning curve.

 

Maybe it’s just a setting but when I logged a geocache as found it remained on my geocache list. The there is an option to “Show Found” but not to remove/filter out Found geocaches.

 

Select the filter tab of the geocaching app. Tap Status and uncheck "Found". Go back to the list of caches, and the found ones will be gone out of that list.

 

Issue resolved! Thanks for the help...

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I used my Garmin 600 today first the first time. Since I have an Oregon 450, there wasn’t much of a learning curve.

 

What, you posted this here before you logged your finds? The shame! :D

 

I was there when it crashed - Garmin definitely needs some time to get this stable. It sure is a very nice looking unit though.

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To battery grain:

 

Insig, Kolenka

Thanks for future data.

I am aware that even redrawing single IMG map in "track up" position will drain battery. On the other hand, I am curious how much energy we can save when we turn OFF GLONASS (which seems unnecessary in most cases).

Of course, it is not a matter of very detailed times.

Just roughly: with screenON - can we get close to 10 hours or much longer (without GLONASS) - close to 16-20 hours? I prefer Eneloops XX...

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Anyone having issues with the electronic compass on the Oregon 600? Have calibrated it twice and have not changed the batteries but it will freeze and not work or point in the wrong direction. If I go to the map screen and then back to the compass screen it will the work. Also loaded the update and no change in the behavior.

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Anyone having issues with the electronic compass on the Oregon 600? Have calibrated it twice and have not changed the batteries but it will freeze and not work or point in the wrong direction. If I go to the map screen and then back to the compass screen it will the work. Also loaded the update and no change in the behavior.

 

I've only seen two things that might match this description:

 

- Being near EM sources can confuse the compass. Even just being near a computer can make the compass difficult to get a good reading from.

- When moving, the GPS compass takes over. The default is set that you don't have to be moving very fast, and this confused me the first time I saw it. In that situation, even walking speed will cause it to point your walking direction and not the direction the unit is pointing.

 

Other than that, it has been working fine for me.

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Just curious, how many of the current Oregon 600 owners have the Trip Data set to only record when the tracklog is actively recording?

 

Tracks => Advanced Setup => Trip Recording =>(options) When Tracking/Always

 

I have mine set to "Always". I've tried it the other way but it is somewhat annoying to me. Glad to have the option.

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Just curious, how many of the current Oregon 600 owners have the Trip Data set to only record when the tracklog is actively recording?

 

Tracks => Advanced Setup => Trip Recording =>(options) When Tracking/Always

 

I have mine set to "Always". I've tried it the other way but it is somewhat annoying to me. Glad to have the option.

Yogazoo,

 

My 600 has been shipped to me and it is scheduled to arrive on Wednesday.

 

What is it exactly that you find annoying about the trip data recoding only when the tracklog is active?

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Yogazoo,

 

My 600 has been shipped to me and it is scheduled to arrive on Wednesday.

 

What is it exactly that you find annoying about the trip data recoding only when the tracklog is active?

 

Well, for me, having the trip data rolling with the tracklog off is my default operational mode. I only record a tracklog when I'm off on a trail or actually recording something I want to view later. I don't want to be filling up my tracklog with junk just to have my trip data show up on the Trip Computer. I like the Trip Data rolling when I power up, and then stop when I power down. Tracklogs, for me, are something to be used on special occasions but I want my Trip Computer to always be showing Trip Data regardless.

 

The new Oregon let's you have the option of tying Trip Data to Tracklog recording. That means the Trip Data will only be calculated (actively recording in the data fields) if you are currently recording a tracklog. You can also choose to "Always" record Trip Data regardless of whether or not your recording a track.

 

It's annoying to me to tie the Trip Data to Tracklog recording because I reserve Tracklog recording for special occasions. I hate looking at my Trip Computer fields only to realize that I forgot to turn my Tracklog on. So I simply adjust the settings so I don't have to.

 

I was just curious how everyone here has that setting adjusted. Trip Data tied to the tracklog or not?

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I don't think Garmin has implemented the GCZ format yet. Until they do GPX works just fine.

 

I don't think Garmin has implemented the GCZ format yet. Until they do GPX works just fine.

There is a link on the squirrel's site to down load the entire site as a .ggz. I'm guessing it has been implemented. Groundspeak's turn now. Clyde is currently putting it into GSAK, basically by reverse engineering the format. There are users working with him on it.

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I don't think Garmin has implemented the GCZ format yet. Until they do GPX works just fine.

 

I don't think Garmin has implemented the GCZ format yet. Until they do GPX works just fine.

There is a link on the squirrel's site to down load the entire site as a .ggz. I'm guessing it has been implemented. Groundspeak's turn now. Clyde is currently putting it into GSAK, basically by reverse engineering the format. There are users working with him on it.

 

It sounds like he's got an inside source from what he posted here.

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I stand corrected. Can anyone comment on the advantages to this new format? Any advantages in speed, content, size? If the new Oregon's can use GPX why worry about GGZ?

 

The reason I say that Garmin hasn't "implemented" it yet is because, the last time I tried a few days ago, Opencaching only offers a GPX. I meant that the GGZ files don't seem to be available anywhere. Maybe someone could shed light.

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I stand corrected. Can anyone comment on the advantages to this new format? Any advantages in speed, content, size? If the new Oregon's can use GPX why worry about GGZ?

 

The reason I say that Garmin hasn't "implemented" it yet is because, the last time I tried a few days ago, Opencaching only offers a GPX. I meant that the GGZ files don't seem to be available anywhere. Maybe someone could shed light.

 

From what I'm reading about the format so far: It is a zip file full of GPX files, with an XML index telling the unit which GPX file contains the details for a particular cache coordinate. The compression + index provide some tangible benefits:

 

- I can be smarter about which GPX files I load. If my GGZ output splits the caches into rectangles for example, I can greatly reduce the number of caches the Garmin holds in RAM at any one time, and the number of disk reads I need to load them. Loading a GGZ should be faster than a comparable set of GPX files.

- By not having the whole data set in RAM at one time, I can scale to larger data sets (the 4 million cache number comes from GGZ use). This means I can handle larger numbers of caches using GGZ than GPX alone.

- Compression means my disk reads are faster as well, and my GGZ should be smaller than a comparable set of GPX files.

 

But since GGZ is built on top of GPX, the only proprietary bit is the index, and even that is just some streamlined XML that includes a subset of what you find in the GPX to save RAM. The folks who want it most are the ones bumping up against the existing limit, or otherwise loading thousands of caches already. Those who only load a few hundred at a time might not care.

 

GSAK seems to have beta support for GGZ already. In the sense that it is possible to get a GGZ file that the 600 will load and use from it. Seems to be fairly stable already.

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I stand corrected. Can anyone comment on the advantages to this new format? Any advantages in speed, content, size? If the new Oregon's can use GPX why worry about GGZ?

 

The reason I say that Garmin hasn't "implemented" it yet is because, the last time I tried a few days ago, Opencaching only offers a GPX. I meant that the GGZ files don't seem to be available anywhere. Maybe someone could shed light.

You need to go back and check that O site, it now offers it.

 

It does seem to be a somewhat useless format. The only site that currently offers it does not have anything worth while downloading. It will be a while before the other smaller sites will offer it, if they ever do. I'm guessing the largest and most worthwhile site will probably not offer the option for a long time, if ever. So other than the obvious tweaking the tail of the dragon I see no reason for it. Unless, of course, they are trying to beat Geomate jr. at their own game. Wonder how long before Garmin offers them preloaded with all the caches from their site?

 

From the discussions on the GSAK site it seems to be bunch of .gpx files that are zipped up and an .xml index file. Just the shear number of caches that can be handled. The Garmin site boasts 4 million caches. Unless your doing a serious power trail probably a 1,000 or 2 would be enough.

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I don't think Garmin has implemented the GCZ format yet. Until they do GPX works just fine.

 

I don't think Garmin has implemented the GCZ format yet. Until they do GPX works just fine.

There is a link on the squirrel's site to down load the entire site as a .ggz. I'm guessing it has been implemented. Groundspeak's turn now. Clyde is currently putting it into GSAK, basically by reverse engineering the format. There are users working with him on it.

 

We have very few squirrel caches round our way - but I wonder if anyone can try to download them all and see just how many they have worldwide??

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We have very few squirrel caches round our way - but I wonder if anyone can try to download them all and see just how many they have worldwide??

 

I'm getting my oregon delivered today, I'll give it at try

 

ok, not really working for me. I click Download all to device and 1 second later it says done, but nothing moves over..weird

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OK I stand corrected, it did work, probably was still downloading after it said it was done.

 

The process created a new file "OX-Geocaches2013-4-6-19-6-34.ggz" in the ggz folder. It is 28 MB in size.

 

Index.xml file has 702.000 lines. Each cache takes about 15 lines. So that tells me there are about 46,800 caches total ?

 

 

btw is there a setting to keep Oregon on after I unplug the USB cable ?

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Question - On 60csx when I send multiple maps over from mapsource I can chose which one to display on the GPS.

 

In Oregon 600 it looks like all the maps from Mapsource show up as 1 map so I can't enable/disable them individually. Is that correct behavior ?

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The Gps will charge the battery pack, but it has a button in the battery compartment, if you tape the rechargeable batteries together they might charge.

Depressing the button worked for me with eneloop XX 2400mAh NiMH Pre-Charged Rechargeable Batteries :)

 

Does anyone know what is the difference between the "NiNH" and the "NiNH Precharged" battery type setting? I am using eneloop NiNH batteries...

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Can anyone provide a brief intro to geocaching? I looked at opencaching.com which appears to be Garmin's website, but there are no caches near me. Where should I go to find caches and how simple is it to select an area on a map (or city) and just have it download all the cache data?

 

Thanks!

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Does anyone know what is the difference between the "NiNH" and the "NiNH Precharged" battery type setting? I am using eneloop NiNH batteries...

Precharged and LSD Low Self Discharge NiMH are synonymous terms. Prior to Sanyo inventing the Eneloop LSD NiMH battery, all NiMH batteries had to be charged prior to use. LSD NiMH batteries are often sold as Precharged NiMH batteries, meaning you can use them straight from the retail package.

 

Classic NiMH batteries (like the Maha Powerex) would go flat in a year, whereas a LSD NiMH would only lose ~10% of its charge in a year.

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Can anyone provide a brief intro to geocaching? I looked at opencaching.com which appears to be Garmin's website, but there are no caches near me. Where should I go to find caches and how simple is it to select an area on a map (or city) and just have it download all the cache data?

 

Thanks!

 

You had to get a account at Geocaching.com to post here and that is where they all are.

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Does anyone know what is the difference between the "NiNH" and the "NiNH Precharged" battery type setting? I am using eneloop NiNH batteries...

Precharged and LSD Low Self Discharge NiMH are synonymous terms. Prior to Sanyo inventing the Eneloop LSD NiMH battery, all NiMH batteries had to be charged prior to use. LSD NiMH batteries are often sold as Precharged NiMH batteries, meaning you can use them straight from the retail package.

 

Classic NiMH batteries (like the Maha Powerex) would go flat in a year, whereas a LSD NiMH would only lose ~10% of its charge in a year.

Thanks for the explanation. Based on this I should select NiMH Pre-Charged for eneloop (since they are LSD NiMH). I still wonder how this battery type setting (NiMH or Pre-Charged NiMH) effects the operation. It seems like just a single NiMH setting would be sufficient.

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Does anyone know what is the difference between the "NiNH" and the "NiNH Precharged" battery type setting? I am using eneloop NiNH batteries...
Precharged and LSD Low Self Discharge NiMH are synonymous terms. Prior to Sanyo inventing the Eneloop LSD NiMH battery, all NiMH batteries had to be charged prior to use. LSD NiMH batteries are often sold as Precharged NiMH batteries, meaning you can use them straight from the retail package.Classic NiMH batteries (like the Maha Powerex) would go flat in a year, whereas a LSD NiMH would only lose ~10% of its charge in a year.
Thanks for the explanation. Based on this I should select NiMH Pre-Charged for eneloop (since they are LSD NiMH). I still wonder how this battery type setting (NiMH or Pre-Charged NiMH) effects the operation. It seems like just a single NiMH setting would be sufficient.

 

They have different voltage curves as they discharge.

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So with the added FIT features has anyone seen if this works with ANT+ Agent or Garmin Connect to automatically/easily upload tracks with heart rate/temp/cadence included? Has anyone then been able to use garminsync to get the info into Strava? If this device can do that without having to manually browse for gpx files, then it is a game changer for me.

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OK I stand corrected, it did work, probably was still downloading after it said it was done.

 

The process created a new file "OX-Geocaches2013-4-6-19-6-34.ggz" in the ggz folder. It is 28 MB in size.

 

Index.xml file has 702.000 lines. Each cache takes about 15 lines. So that tells me there are about 46,800 caches total ?

 

 

btw is there a setting to keep Oregon on after I unplug the USB cable ?

 

Thanks,

 

So the lack of caches in the UK would seem to be mirrored across the world... wonder why they were so keen to state that the new Oregon 600 could download 4 million caches and imply that their site held that many??

 

Chris

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Can anyone provide a brief intro to geocaching? I looked at opencaching.com which appears to be Garmin's website, but there are no caches near me. Where should I go to find caches and how simple is it to select an area on a map (or city) and just have it download all the cache data?

 

Thanks!

 

Go to the 'Learn' tab on the www.Groundspeak.com home page, or to here: http://www.geocaching.com/guide/

 

Chris

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btw is there a setting to keep Oregon on after I unplug the USB cable ?

 

My - much older - Oregon 400t also turns off when you unplug it from a computer (perhaps to reset the connection mode?) When you then turn it back on, there is a delay before it shows the home page while it seems to be processing the new geocaching file. I would expect the new 600s to have to go through the same steps before they can display the geocaches, and so need to turn off when you unplug the USB cable.

 

Chris

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