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Question to the electronics gurus out there and I apologize if it's already been asked. Would I be able to charge any two NIMH batteries inside the Oregon 600, instead of purchasing a separate battery pack? I have eight rechargeable batteries here that are NIMH type AAs that I use for other purposes, and wonder if I can insert a pair into the Oregon permanently and plug the unit in as necessary.

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The 600 has a switch in the battery compartment, somebody suggested 2 separate batteries and ducktape plus something hard in between to fool the switch thinking the original Gamin batteryblock is installed.

 

Nobody reported what happens if you overload the NIMH, if this is possible at all.

 

be careful what you do, you might lose your garantee.

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I wouldn't. Not until someone dissects the battery pack to figure out what type of rechargeable NIMH's are used. There are two types and you might just screw up the battery meter or even cause harm to your units electronics. Even when we find out what type is used, I would still be very cautious.

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Hi, I have always used my phone GPS but my new phone screen is no good. I am now looking for a handheld GPS. Do you have to buy separate maps for different areas on top of the cost of the handheld. I have used my phone while caching in America, Iceland, UK and Tunisia and never have to pay for any upgrades on maps.

 

thanks

 

Your enquiry seems to have been ignored, so I'll try to answer it!

 

If you buy the Garmin xxxt models, then you get a fairly basic European "Topo" map included with it. Typically this includes roads, some major paths but not canal towpaths judging by the one on my Oregon 400t. You can buy the GPSr bundled with an OS Discoverer map covering the whole of the British Isles, for a pretty hefty discount over the price of buying the map seperately. Or you can download free maps from sites like Talky Toaster (for the UK) or Freizeitkarte (for Europe) or Open Street Maps for rest of the world. The free maps are typically updated every month as users add information (their free because their being created by the users in the same as as a Wiki). The "official OS maps or Garmin Topo maps are not updated as a free service - you would have to buy a complete replacement at the full price.

 

Chris

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I wouldn't. Not until someone dissects the battery pack to figure out what type of rechargeable NIMH's are used. There are two types and you might just screw up the battery meter or even cause harm to your units electronics. Even when we find out what type is used, I would still be very cautious.

 

I'll never understand buying a new piece of hardware for $400 and then risking breaking it on a cheap attempt to charge non-standard batteries. May as well try parachuting with a pillowcase.

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Are we saying that NIMH batteries ( 2 individual ) can't be used in the unit ??

I use Eneloops in ALL my other units, why not this one.

 

NiMH can be used, it's just that the only batteries that it will recharge when plugged in are the ones in the OEM battery pack. Eneloops work just like the have in past handhelds.

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It actually says NIMH recommended. All NIMH I'm aware of are rechargeable ......it seems if two were in place when external power is applied they would charge.

 

There's a button in the battery case of the Oregon that has to be pressed down for it to charge the batteries. The OEM battery pack pressed the button down. Just sticking in two NiMH batteries won't press down the button, so it won't charge them.

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It actually says NIMH recommended. All NIMH I'm aware of are rechargeable ......it seems if two were in place when external power is applied they would charge.

 

There's a button in the battery case of the Oregon that has to be pressed down for it to charge the batteries. The OEM battery pack pressed the button down. Just sticking in two NiMH batteries won't press down the button, so it won't charge them.

 

Just to add:

 

And the reason for the button is so that a user can't simply make a mistake and put the Oregon in a position where it is told to charge Alkaline or Lithium batteries, which will simply leak chemicals all over the inside of your GPSr rather than charge.

 

That said, I still don't know how much current the AC adapter can provide to the Oregon 6xx models. It'll be a fairly slow charge if it is the standard (500mA).

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That said, I still don't know how much current the AC adapter can provide to the Oregon 6xx models. It'll be a fairly slow charge if it is the standard (500mA).

That suggests it is not a USB charger? Requires another wall wart?

 

Second??? My OR 450 has a simple rubber plug over the USB port, how is the 6xx USB done?

 

Thanks

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It actually says NIMH recommended. All NIMH I'm aware of are rechargeable ......it seems if two were in place when external power is applied they would charge.

 

Garmin states that the only batteries which charge IN the unit are their offered NiMH pack, which depresses a button. The charging circuit might work with some duct-taped Eneloop NiMH cells, but Garmin will likely take issue if you are using cells which somehow damage the charging circuitry and try to get a repair on your unit under warranty.

 

It's a nice little pack they are selling, but nothing I need. I generally go out with several pairs of charged NiMH cells in by day-pack, which may be used in various AA-cell using devices and Garmin already have confirmed aftermarket NiMH cells will work (so long as they are the 1.2 volt jobbies, not some 3.6 volt or higher outfit not intended.) The pack may be useful for road trips, where you get in and out of the car now and then for a cache (to walk past the assembling bomb disposal squad at the rest stop and sign the log in something they were alerted to, much to their consternation.)

 

I would be the last one to smoke some diode or resistor because I'm too cheap to buy the genuine OEM cell pack for whatever they want and damage my $400+ GPSr. Pennywise and pound foolish comes to mind.

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It actually says NIMH recommended. All NIMH I'm aware of are rechargeable ......it seems if two were in place when external power is applied they would charge.

 

There's a button in the battery case of the Oregon that has to be pressed down for it to charge the batteries. The OEM battery pack pressed the button down. Just sticking in two NiMH batteries won't press down the button, so it won't charge them.

 

Just to add:

 

And the reason for the button is so that a user can't simply make a mistake and put the Oregon in a position where it is told to charge Alkaline or Lithium batteries, which will simply leak chemicals all over the inside of your GPSr rather than charge.

 

That said, I still don't know how much current the AC adapter can provide to the Oregon 6xx models. It'll be a fairly slow charge if it is the standard (500mA).

 

These replies answer it fine......I was just curious as I would stay with the Eneloops regardless.

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That suggests it is not a USB charger? Requires another wall wart?

 

Second??? My OR 450 has a simple rubber plug over the USB port, how is the 6xx USB done?

 

Thanks

 

It is a USB charger, but USB charging can take on multiple power levels. The common one is 500mA ("standard"), but more recently, 1A has become available ("high power"). If it is 1A, you can get some good charging speed with Garmin's battery pack. If it is 500mA, your normal high-speed AA charger will stomp all over it. Suffice it to say, I'm not willing to void my warranty to find out the charging rate with a pair of Eneloop XXs.

 

It is still a rubber plug. A differently designed one which is a bit harder to push back into place, but shouldn't have any issues keeping water out.

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It is a USB charger, but USB charging can take on multiple power levels. The common one is 500mA ("standard"), but more recently, 1A has become available ("high power"). If it is 1A, you can get some good charging speed with Garmin's battery pack. If it is 500mA, your normal high-speed AA charger will stomp all over it. Suffice it to say, I'm not willing to void my warranty to find out the charging rate with a pair of Eneloop XXs.

 

My experience with fast charging is fast death. I killed some premium 2900mAH Powerx cells with a cheap fast charger. My current LaCrosse defaults to 200mA per cell and that works well with basic Eneloops.

 

Thanks

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It is a USB charger, but USB charging can take on multiple power levels. The common one is 500mA ("standard"), but more recently, 1A has become available ("high power"). If it is 1A, you can get some good charging speed with Garmin's battery pack. If it is 500mA, your normal high-speed AA charger will stomp all over it. Suffice it to say, I'm not willing to void my warranty to find out the charging rate with a pair of Eneloop XXs.

 

My experience with fast charging is fast death. I killed some premium 2900mAH Powerx cells with a cheap fast charger. My current LaCrosse defaults to 200mA per cell and that works well with basic Eneloops.

 

Thanks

According to Battery University, NiMh cells perform best when charged at a rate equal to 0.5C (charge rate that equates to half their capacity).

For a regular Eneloop or a Duraloop, that would be 1000 mA or 1A.

 

A 200 mA charge rate can result in a missed termination, which ends up overcharging the battery and possibly causing it to vent.

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That suggests it is not a USB charger? Requires another wall wart?

 

Second??? My OR 450 has a simple rubber plug over the USB port, how is the 6xx USB done?

 

Thanks

 

It is a USB charger, but USB charging can take on multiple power levels. The common one is 500mA ("standard"), but more recently, 1A has become available ("high power"). If it is 1A, you can get some good charging speed with Garmin's battery pack. If it is 500mA, your normal high-speed AA charger will stomp all over it. Suffice it to say, I'm not willing to void my warranty to find out the charging rate with a pair of Eneloop XXs.

 

It is still a rubber plug. A differently designed one which is a bit harder to push back into place, but shouldn't have any issues keeping water out.

 

I believe the official cigarette lighter adapter cranks the current up to 1A. I'm not sure on other adapters.

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My experience with fast charging is fast death. I killed some premium 2900mAH Powerx cells with a cheap fast charger. My current LaCrosse defaults to 200mA per cell and that works well with basic Eneloops.

 

Thanks

According to Battery University, NiMh cells perform best when charged at a rate equal to 0.5C (charge rate that equates to half their capacity).

For a regular Eneloop or a Duraloop, that would be 1000 mA or 1A.

 

A 200 mA charge rate can result in a missed termination, which ends up overcharging the battery and possibly causing it to vent.

 

And it also depends on the charger too. A fast charger that fails to properly detect the end of charging (or other issues that should terminate charging), then you can run into problems there as well. I've had good luck with my batteries after moving to LSD NiMHs, and using a proper charger like the LaCrosse.

 

I believe the official cigarette lighter adapter cranks the current up to 1A. I'm not sure on other adapters.

 

That's good news if it will use it to charge. Hard to know for sure without hooking something up and measuring the current draw while charging. :)

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650 review: http://gpstracklog.com/2013/05/garmin-oregon-650-review.html

I can't wait for mine to ship. I was debating not waiting and getting a Montana 650 but after reading the article I'm going to hold out for the 650 to ship...someday.

 

If the 650 I have ordered doesn't ship by Friday then I'm abandoning the order and going for a 600. This is frustrating decision to have to make, clearly Garmin have done something very wrong, somewhere along their production plan. :mad:

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- Use the power save feature. It will still record, and while the screen is off, it won't accept touch input.

 

Hi Kolenka,

 

I tried today using battery saver to record a track. The screen and backlight turned off after the 30second time limit I set. However, unfortunately when I viewed the track later, it showed a straight "bee line" from where it turned off to where I then powered it back on. So it appears that allowing it to enter battery saver does not continue to record tracks or GPS locations.

 

I guess the only option is to allow the backlight to turn off, but keep the screen itself on (lock mode maybe).

 

Does this sound right?

 

Thanks again!

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By the way guys, this is my first handheld GPS and I love the capacitive touch screen. I played with an Oregon 550 in the REI store and was disappointed. My natural inclination was to "pinch" the screen to zoom in and out and they just did not support it. The fact that I can interact with the 600t like a modern smartphone is wonderful. Truly a giant leap forward and the way of the future. The only other thing I would LOVE to have is a world-wide satellite map. I'm sure that is coming but a long way off. We need larger MicroSD cards and a service that would sell whole continent or nation maps. 5 years away? 10 years? Who knows, but that would be awesome.

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By the way guys, this is my first handheld GPS and I love the capacitive touch screen. I played with an Oregon 550 in the REI store and was disappointed. My natural inclination was to "pinch" the screen to zoom in and out and they just did not support it. The fact that I can interact with the 600t like a modern smartphone is wonderful. Truly a giant leap forward and the way of the future. The only other thing I would LOVE to have is a world-wide satellite map. I'm sure that is coming but a long way off. We need larger MicroSD cards and a service that would sell whole continent or nation maps. 5 years away? 10 years? Who knows, but that would be awesome.

 

I shudder to imagine how much would such a map cost :) You pay $100 just for one country now

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I tried today using battery saver to record a track. The screen and backlight turned off after the 30second time limit I set. However, unfortunately when I viewed the track later, it showed a straight "bee line" from where it turned off to where I then powered it back on. So it appears that allowing it to enter battery saver does not continue to record tracks or GPS locations.

Assuming you had it set correctly, then you've found the first bug in the 6xx firmware. Based on past history, many more bugs will follow.

 

My 450 records tracks with both the screen and backlight timed out in roughly 30-sec.

 

Since Kolenka is clearly an expert user, will be interesting if he can duplicate your results.

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I tried today using battery saver to record a track. The screen and backlight turned off after the 30second time limit I set. However, unfortunately when I viewed the track later, it showed a straight "bee line" from where it turned off to where I then powered it back on. So it appears that allowing it to enter battery saver does not continue to record tracks or GPS locations.

 

This sounds like behavior I saw with Auto Pause. It would tend to jump largeish distances when it detected a pause because it would wait for you to travel 100+ ft before turning tracking back on. Made the Auto Pause feature not nearly as helpful as I would have liked.

 

Do you have Auto Pause on? As I can't reproduce it even sitting still with Auto Pause off (it keeps generating points while the screen is off). Wouldn't surprise me if there was a bug with Auto Pause + Battery Save, as Auto Pause is a new feature, and itself a little touchy/buggy.

 

Since Kolenka is clearly an expert user, will be interesting if he can duplicate your results.

 

Expert user? Maybe. More like bored engineer that likes to dabble. ;)

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Assuming you had it set correctly, then you've found the first bug in the 6xx firmware. Based on past history, many more bugs will follow.

 

Your wishing for bugs so your not tempted to buy one. :) Just go ahead and sell your 450, the new Oregon's are ready from day one. Nothing but glowing reviews from the same jaded users who have gone through years of bugs with other models. Me being one.

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And why run the risk, it's simple enough to extract a couple of batteries and put them on charge :)

 

Unless you wear out the latching mechanism and/or gasket. :anibad:

 

Everything wears out, sure, but I've used my 60CSX for 5 years, heavily, and never wore that latch/gasket out. Why would I believe that I would on my Oregon 600?

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And why run the risk, it's simple enough to extract a couple of batteries and put them on charge :)

 

Unless you wear out the latching mechanism and/or gasket. :anibad:

 

Everything wears out, sure, but I've used my 60CSX for 5 years, heavily, and never wore that latch/gasket out. Why would I believe that I would on my Oregon 600?

 

Oh, I don't know... A sneaking suspicion that the case/latch/gasket area isn't anywhere near as robust as your (and mine) 60CSx?

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And why run the risk, it's simple enough to extract a couple of batteries and put them on charge :)

 

Unless you wear out the latching mechanism and/or gasket. :anibad:

 

Everything wears out, sure, but I've used my 60CSX for 5 years, heavily, and never wore that latch/gasket out. Why would I believe that I would on my Oregon 600?

 

Oh, I don't know... A sneaking suspicion that the case/latch/gasket area isn't anywhere near as robust as your (and mine) 60CSx?

 

I'm going to buy the rechargable battery pack for my 600. I see a huge benefit in not having to remove my batteries constantly and charging them in external charger. It will still be cheaper than buying 650 and I do not need the camera feature.

 

On road trips it will be great to just plug the GPS in the car charger and then take it out when looking for a cache, never fearing about battery life. Even though the latch on my 60csx is still in great shape after many year, not having to ever open it is a much better solution IMHO

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I'm going to buy the rechargable battery pack for my 600.

 

It' doesn't come with the rechargeable battery? Even my "low end" Montana 600 came with one. :rolleyes:

 

Only 650 comes with it.fine by me, still saving bunch, though I'm sure it costs Garmin couple bucks and charges us 25

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The number of units delivered is so low that I am starting to think that GARMIN has manufacturing issues with the Oregon.

The units in the market would be the ones that have passed the quality test.

 

Garmin product ( as far as I know ) are manufactured in Taiwan – lower price but in many cases also lower manufacturing quality.

Aviation related products are still build on US.

 

What do you think ?

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Oh, I don't know... A sneaking suspicion that the case/latch/gasket area isn't anywhere near as robust as your (and mine) 60CSx?

 

It's using the same gasket and locking mechanism that Garmin used on the 60CSx, what sneaking suspicion makes you believe that it is not "anywhere near as robust" as the same mechanism in another model?

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Garmin product ( as far as I know ) are manufactured in Taiwan – lower price but in many cases also lower manufacturing quality.

Aviation related products are still build on US.

 

What do you think ?

 

Nothing wrong with stuff made in Taiwan. MUCH better than China. The build quality on my 60CSx and Montana 600 was excellent.

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Expert user? Maybe. More like bored engineer that likes to dabble. ;)

It's all relative. :P

 

BTW have you gotten brave enough to open her up and tell us what kind of chip its running. Apparently, no longer the STM Cartesio. Not surprising, that chip is now 4-years old, ancient by CPU standards

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Garmin product ( as far as I know ) are manufactured in Taiwan – lower price but in many cases also lower manufacturing quality.

Aviation related products are still build on US.

What do you think ?

 

Inside the battery compartment of my 600t it says made in Taiwan. There is also a track recorded from April 2nd that shows GPS coordinates of Garmin in Taiwan. I guess they were testing it at the factory :) But agreed, Taiwan and Thailand are much better at this stuff than the Chinese. Lots of computer equipment like hard drives are made in Thailand.

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This sounds like behavior I saw with Auto Pause. It would tend to jump largeish distances when it detected a pause because it would wait for you to travel 100+ ft before turning tracking back on. Made the Auto Pause feature not nearly as helpful as I would have liked.

 

Do you have Auto Pause on? As I can't reproduce it even sitting still with Auto Pause off (it keeps generating points while the screen is off). Wouldn't surprise me if there was a bug with Auto Pause + Battery Save, as Auto Pause is a new feature, and itself a little touchy/buggy.

 

Hi Kolenka,

 

Perhaps auto pause is on. I'm not 100% sure where to check it. The other thing is during my test track, I was actually driving my car and I stopped for about 45 minutes and did not move the unit. Perhaps it detected no movement and went from low power to off. Regardless, it would have been nice if it detected the movement later when I began to go again. I'm taking a long trip soon and want to be able to have it track with the screen off to save battery.

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Hi Kolenka,

 

Perhaps auto pause is on. I'm not 100% sure where to check it. The other thing is during my test track, I was actually driving my car and I stopped for about 45 minutes and did not move the unit. Perhaps it detected no movement and went from low power to off. Regardless, it would have been nice if it detected the movement later when I began to go again. I'm taking a long trip soon and want to be able to have it track with the screen off to save battery.

 

Auto Pause is under the track options. You can get to it from Settings > Tracks or the menu from the current track screen as well.

 

But another question then is: Do you get the Garmin boot screen when you turn it back on? If so, it was off.

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Let me ask about Your experience with battery life in Oregon 6xx.

What is predicted time if screen is ON and both maps (IMG vector and raster, custom map KMZ) are redrawing constantly? Is it something between 8 and 12 hours??? (estimation based on Colorado 300).

In other words: map view, map orientation set to: "track up" (both KMZ and IMG rotates) and screen is ON (just backlight is turned OFF).

BTW, this is my bike ride setting.

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