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I hope they get the 650/t figured out soon, I'm really wanting the one with a more rugged 8mp camera. Makes one wonder what the defect was??

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Makes one wonder what the defect was??

Faulty quality control? :ph34r:

 

I've pre-ordered mine from GPS City. That site still says May 6, but that's probably not realistic now.

 

--Larry

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great news ! I just hope they are sending units to all the retailers at the same time. I am afraid that LL Bean being a clothing store might get them after REI, gpscity or amazon... hmm

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I hope they get the 650/t figured out soon, I'm really wanting the one with a more rugged 8mp camera. Makes one wonder what the defect was??

 

The 6xx line in general looks like it has been plagued with manufacturing issues trying to get the product ready for launch, hence the delays up to this point. But it isn't that uncommon for issues to crop up when moving to manufacturing from the prototype stage. Any issues with the 650 would be with components or processes that the 650 needs that the 600 does not. Different chips, the camera, the pack-in batteries, extra work the case needs to seal the camera correctly, things like that.

 

Faulty quality control? :ph34r:

 

The QC isn't faulty if it's preventing bad units from being shipped to you. ;)

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Faulty quality control? :ph34r:

 

The QC isn't faulty if it's preventing bad units from being shipped to you. ;)

Better to fix the problem than deliver faulty units. On the other hand, they obviously didn't find the glitch, whatver it was, before making delivery promises it couldn't keep.

 

--Larry

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I'd be careful about the statement from the REI online help guy. "I THINK" is by no means a window into the issue. We should remember that ALL units were pushed back for some time and REI simply may not be among the first retailers to receive shipments of the 650/650t from Garmin. GPScity on the other hand is usually first on the list. They get the first batch and may indeed ship in early May.

 

I'm fairly certain there was no manufacturing defect on the 650/650t. It's most likely a distribution issue or delay from the manufacturer and nothing more.

 

I'll be picking my 600 up from REI in Missoula, MT on Saturday.

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Faulty quality control? :ph34r:

 

The QC isn't faulty if it's preventing bad units from being shipped to you. ;)

Better to fix the problem than deliver faulty units. On the other hand, they obviously didn't find the glitch, whatver it was, before making delivery promises it couldn't keep.

 

--Larry

 

There was a problem found with the rubber grip on new Canon 650D/T4i cameras. While hotly anticipated and many orders placed, they stopped shipping them and recalled cameras to replace the defective rubber, which was breaking down and producing an irritant. Possible this happened with the new Oregons - something not immediately apparent, but revealed after a brief time -- some manufacturers, particularly in China cut some pretty terrible corners.

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There was a problem found with the rubber grip on new Canon 650D/T4i cameras. While hotly anticipated and many orders placed, they stopped shipping them and recalled cameras to replace the defective rubber, which was breaking down and producing an irritant. Possible this happened with the new Oregons - something not immediately apparent, but revealed after a brief time -- some manufacturers, particularly in China cut some pretty terrible corners.

This seems credible.

 

Personally, I'm not too concerned about any delays. I don't have any specific plans for the new gadget other than to hopefully enjoy it when it gets to me. I also understand how irritating it can be to pre-order something and make plans around its delivery, only to have the delivery date slide farther and farther into the future. That's happened to me a few times.

 

--Larry

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Better to fix the problem than deliver faulty units. On the other hand, they obviously didn't find the glitch, whatver it was, before making delivery promises it couldn't keep.

 

Which is a problem with pre-announcing a product before you've built up a launch supply. You can get sidelined by things entirely unexpected and eat away any buffer you may have in your schedule. As I stated, it's not that uncommon to hit issues in manufacturing that aren't present in the prototype or pre-production phases. The number of delays suggest this particular model has caused more problems than average moving into manufacturing.

 

I'd be careful about the statement from the REI online help guy. "I THINK" is by no means a window into the issue. We should remember that ALL units were pushed back for some time and REI simply may not be among the first retailers to receive shipments of the 650/650t from Garmin. GPScity on the other hand is usually first on the list. They get the first batch and may indeed ship in early May.

 

I'm fairly certain there was no manufacturing defect on the 650/650t. It's most likely a distribution issue or delay from the manufacturer and nothing more.

 

Completely correct that REI probably doesn't have a clear picture, other than it is delayed. Something we can see through Garmin's website as well, as they quote a longer time for 650s than 600s. At least he clarified it with "I think" rather than stating it as a fact like some CSRs do.

 

However, unless Garmin's manufacturer has just been blowing them off, it is unlikely a delay on that end. And distribution only makes sense when dealing with shorter time scales (days). If GPSCity does start shipping 650s on the 5th, then I'd find it more believable. But considering how many delays faced so far, the likely explanation is that when they moved to mass production, it revealed issues not present in pre-production (this happens all the time in my industry). The 600 is the first to have them solved, either by choice or because they were easier to solve. I could buy that the first batch is 600s, and the 650s will follow up shortly in the second batch, just so they could start selling the likely to be more popular model as quickly as possible.

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In my experience, Garmin routinely staggers release dates, probably to maximize revenue. Typically they will release lower cost units first, followed a few weeks later by the high-end models.

 

As far as I can tell, we're just seeing a delay for the entire line, which isn't unusual. Most GPS manufacturers tend to over-promise and under-deliver when it comes to the estimated ship dates they provide to retailers.

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In my experience, Garmin routinely staggers release dates, probably to maximize revenue. Typically they will release lower cost units first, followed a few weeks later by the high-end models.

 

As far as I can tell, we're just seeing a delay for the entire line, which isn't unusual. Most GPS manufacturers tend to over-promise and under-deliver when it comes to the estimated ship dates they provide to retailers.

 

I could buy that, definitely. And yeah, you can maximize revenue by shipping the cheaper models ASAP and getting the sell-through as quickly as possible. Starting with the more expensive ones first may not pay off if the demand is 2:1 for the cheaper ones.

 

And as another note, my REI has mine in the store waiting for me. I'll probably pick it up during lunch.

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And as another note, my REI has mine in the store waiting for me. I'll probably pick it up during lunch.

 

ok, expecting full review tonight :)

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And as another note, my REI has mine in the store waiting for me. I'll probably pick it up during lunch.

 

ok, expecting full review tonight :)

Same here. Looks like you got some work to do. I rarely trust a lot of 3rd party sites and their bias reviews.

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It arrived so I picked mine up over my lunch. I'm cautiously ecstatic. This thing can do a lot! There is more functionality in many areas than even the Montana. Everything seems very well thought out and the geocaching features are awesome! You can even increase the font size of the descriptions and logs page so people with older eyes can read it with ease. The Track operation from the "Current Track" screen is incredible. The map redraw is lightning fast and the touch-screen interface is silky smooth and very sensitive. I'm stoked!

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Some Screen Images.

 

Geocaching Filter

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Larger Geocaching text (selectable)

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"Current Track" screen

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Measure Tool on Map Screen

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Some Screen Images.

"Current Track" screen

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I love that floppy disk icon, guess that's for saving your track to a 3 1/2" floppy <_<

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Some Screen Images.

 

[snip]

 

How's the daylight screen brightness?

 

Waitaminnit... Awesomeness? :blink:

 

Did you get the California model? :lol:

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Picked mine up at lunch as well. So far the impressions are largely positive:

 

- Can run your own strap now, or use the mounting on the back. Nice touch.

- Map navigation is much easier with the capacitive touch (gestures on resistive screens never work all that well for me), and faster. A lot of the UI is just more responsive.

- Despite having to get a lock cold, within a couple minutes it was reporting greater accuracy than my 450. It stayed that way the entire trip back except in one case where the 450 reported better accuracy by 3 ft (both low 30s at the time).

- Screen is much easier to see in the day with the backlight off. I'd say the display itself is about on par with the eTrex 20/30, but is more readable due to the larger screen (larger text). Combine that with the UI color choice which boosts contrast, and it blows the 450 away.

- The Sun and Moon screen now has a feature to show you where they should be in the sky at any given time (defaulting to the current time). This is something I liked about the Magellan 610's compass screen and wished the Garmin had. Now it does.

- Proximity Alarms. Was annoyed the 450 lacked this feature after playing with the eTrex.

- Ergonomics are a bit better in my hand. The 450 wasn't bad, but the 600 is a bit better.

- Dashboards.... Jebus. You can even put a dashboard on the screen that comes up when you press the power button. Just in case you want that data hidden, but easily accessible. More dashboards to pick from (including track controls). It's a bit of a playground for getting whatever data you want on the screens you want.

- Many places where you would click into a list view from the main menu now takes you into tabbed views. This makes data just as accessible, and in some cases, faster/easier.

 

A couple nitpicks so far:

 

- The USB port cover feels cheaper and less integrated than the 450. It looks like it will do the job, but it is a weird detail to miss.

- The back ditched the lever on the 450 as the lock, which is actually nice (dug into my thumb as I have short nails), but it is a bit harder to put the back on after swapping batteries.

- Boot time seems mostly unchanged.

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The screen brightness is everything Garmin touts. Highly visible in low and bright light with a much improved viewing angle range. I'll post more screenshots tonight. There are a lot more data field choices than even the Montana. I'll try to capture all of them.

 

The 600 is a very stable unit. I haven't experienced any crashes yet. My Montana crashes on me quite frequently with a lot of interface.

 

There is also a new "Calorie" data field and a setup menu to input the users weight, height, age, etc. It will calculate calories burned based on activity and distance. You don't even need a heart rate monitor for this to work.

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Any word, i.e. in a more comprehensive manual, on microSD capacity?

 

I don't have any microSD cards bigger than about 8GB, and the manual says zilch about it. It is at least an SDHC slot, which should mean up to 32GB. Don't have an SDXC card to test with though.

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I assume that overlapping/disappearing proximity circle issue still exists.

 

Create two waypoints and set the proximity circles so that one is larger than the other, but both circles will overlap each other.

Zoom in so that one of the waypoints goes off screen...does that waypoints proximity circle disappear?

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MicroSD capacity is always a strange one. I use 16 GB cards on all the units listed in the models as new as the Colorado in my signature without trouble.

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I assume that overlapping/disappearing proximity circle issue still exists.

 

Create two waypoints and set the proximity circles so that one is larger than the other, but both circles will overlap each other.

Zoom in so that one of the waypoints goes off screen...does that waypoints proximity circle disappear?

 

The proximity circle dissapears if the waypoint that is being used is off the screen. This may be on purpose to keep screen clutter/confusion down if there is no reference/proximity point visible on the screen.

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The 600 is a very stable unit. I haven't experienced any crashes yet. My Montana crashes on me quite frequently with a lot of interface.

 

I managed a crash playing with creating waypoints from the map screen already (tapping to place them). Not sure if I'll be able to hit it again.

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I assume that overlapping/disappearing proximity circle issue still exists.

 

Create two waypoints and set the proximity circles so that one is larger than the other, but both circles will overlap each other.

Zoom in so that one of the waypoints goes off screen...does that waypoints proximity circle disappear?

 

The proximity circle dissapears if the waypoint that is being used is off the screen. This may be on purpose to keep screen clutter/confusion down if there is no reference/proximity point visible on the screen.

Most likely.

 

It would be nice if the GPS could do it, but have a configuration option whether it disappears or not.

 

It causes problems for caches that require you to find a cache at one of the two points of intersection.

The older, non-paperless units can do it.

I end up using my smartphone app to determine the intersects or have to go back home and use BaseCamp.

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Another thing that jumped out at me... the trip information now automatically resets when you clear/save the track and start a new one. This bugged me about both the eTrex and the 450. I wonder if it can be disabled for those that like the old behavior though. In my case, I definitely prefer the trip odometer and trip times to represent the track that I'm currently recording, not some random thing I keep having to remember to reset.

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Another thing that jumped out at me... the trip information now automatically resets when you clear/save the track and start a new one. This bugged me about both the eTrex and the 450. I wonder if it can be disabled for those that like the old behavior though. In my case, I definitely prefer the trip odometer and trip times to represent the track that I'm currently recording, not some random thing I keep having to remember to reset.

 

I personally like the Trip Data and Track data separate. In my mind they are two separate things and I don't always want to reset the Trip Data when I clear a tracklog. Sometimes I track segments of my trip and I'd prefer to have both available. Question: Why don't you use the "Track Distance" field in your trip computer to monitor the track distance?

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I personally like the Trip Data and Track data separate. In my mind they are two separate things and I don't always want to reset the Trip Data when I clear a tracklog. Sometimes I track segments of my trip and I'd prefer to have both available. Question: Why don't you use the "Track Distance" field in your trip computer to monitor the track distance?

 

That's not even an option on the Oregon 450. :(

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Kolenka, it is now. :)

 

Hmm, it is in the 600... I'm still looking to see how you can get the old "don't auto-reset the trip odometer when resetting the track" behavior which would make that option a bit more useful. I'm not seeing it.

 

That makes me think having both a track distance and trip odometer is pretty redundant if they are tied together like that. I wonder if the trip odometer keeps recording when you pause the track.

 

EDIT: Day one update from 2.30 (in-box) to 2.60. Huh.

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WOW!!! Navigating/Routing on foot is a dream. The compass now works properly and points to segments along the route and when you pass that segment it continues to point ahead along the path. No more stuck compasses that point you in the wrong direction. It's very smooth and works perfectly. In fact it's difficult to find something that needs addressing in a software update. Indeed this unit appears to have garnered more attention to it's software before the release. Dare I venture to say that this is the best functioning unit, release software wise, since before the Colorado. Kudo's Garmin!!!

 

Remember to run the WebUpdater when you get it!

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dang that's a lot of choices ! Can't wait to get mine. I gotta read up on some good workflows for gsak / oregon / geocaching. I bet there are some nice macros and tricks out there, can't wait!

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Kolenka, it is now. :)

 

Hmm, it is in the 600... I'm still looking to see how you can get the old "don't auto-reset the trip odometer when resetting the track" behavior which would make that option a bit more useful. I'm not seeing it.

 

That makes me think having both a track distance and trip odometer is pretty redundant if they are tied together like that. I wonder if the trip odometer keeps recording when you pause the track.

 

EDIT: Day one update from 2.30 (in-box) to 2.60. Huh.

 

Kolenka, with v2.60 you CAN sever the Trip Odometer/ Trip Data recording from Tracklog operation.

 

Track Setup => Advanced Settings

 

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The "Recorded Data Reset" setting is for when you save a tracklog you can choose whether to reset trip AND track data or if you want prompted to choose which (or both) to reset. Another well thought out setting.

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All Setup Options. The big difference is the "Accessibility" setup which allows you to choose how sensitive the touchscreen is (High, Normal), How big the text is in the review screens(geocache descriptions, FIT/track reviews, Waypoint review, etc), and an option for "Scroll Controll" which gives you arrows on the cache description page and allows you to quickly scroll down with a convenient 1/2 second long pause after each page scrolls by. Just long enough to grab keywords with your eyes. Very Nice!

 

Oh, and the Fitness setup. See post below.

 

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Fitness Setup Screens. Very many options for Garmin FIT users. Also uses settings to calculate "Calories" data field.

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Track Setup. You can now record Garmin FIT logs as well as GPX logs. Also notice the "Auto Start", "Auto Pause" options. These two options work VERY nicely. No more spider-webs adding to your track distance when you stop for a bit. Super awesome!

 

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Are the dashboards similar to the ones on the eTrex 20/30?

 

Track Control Dashboard

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Fitness Dashboard

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Satellite Dashboard that switches between two options when pressed. This may already exist in some models. I was in my basement so the sat bars are low.

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The rest are variations of existing dashboards

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Is there any advantage to FIT format over GPX if you don't use any accessories such as heart rate monitor, etc.?

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Kolenka, with v2.60 you CAN sever the Trip Odometer/ Trip Data recording from Tracklog operation.

 

Track Setup => Advanced Settings

 

Yup, noticed that after I updated, but had some things to take care of so I couldn't post. The behavior makes a lot more sense now. Guess someone reported that one during beta.

 

That said, I am running across crashes with 2.3 and 2.6. The easiest one to reproduce is one in the 3D map tool. Use the arrows to get to the edge of the rendered tiles, and I get a crash 100% of the time with the Garmin 24k topo and Northwest Trails maps.

 

Loving the auto-pause myself, other than the fact that it beeps every time it does it.

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Two things.

 

1) No more sticky issue. As far as I can tell so far this has been eliminated.

2) GLONASS is freaken awesome! It's so nice to have 24 sats instead of just 12. Very sensitive and tracks very well on tracklogs. Very smooth (no apparent drifting or bouncing) and seemingly very accurate tracklogs.

 

And just one more. I remember how the Montana would never recalculate when walking off-route. It never seemed to figure out you were off course when moving at walking speeds. The Oregon does recalculate and it seriously navigates flawlessly using the compass screen (compass points you forward along your route or to your destination (destination if Direct Routing). Navigating while walking and using the compass screen (or dashboard on the map screen) is really the best I've ever seen.

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That said, I am running across crashes with 2.3 and 2.6. The easiest one to reproduce is one in the 3D map tool. Use the arrows to get to the edge of the rendered tiles, and I get a crash 100% of the time with the Garmin 24k topo and Northwest Trails maps.

 

Loving the auto-pause myself, other than the fact that it beeps every time it does it.

 

You should send your "system.xml" file (located in your Garmin folder) to OregonBeta@garmin.com. It will give them details about your crash which will help them to fix it. That said, I can't think of ever doing what you described. :)

EDIT: I've done what you described and can't get my unit to crash.

 

I'm actually glad it beeps. That lets you know audibly when the track pauses and starts again which is very good to know. You can disable that in the Tones setup menu (I'm pretty sure).

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Is there any advantage to FIT format over GPX if you don't use any accessories such as heart rate monitor, etc.?

 

I'm not sure, I haven't used it yet for anything outside of the GPS. You can review FIT data on the GPS. Here is what that looks like. I didn't have my Heart Rate monitor on when I recorded it so I'm not sure if heart rate data will show if recorded. The new Oregon seems to accommodate the fitness crowd more than any handheld outdoor unit previously released.

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Like the Montana, Garmin custom vehicles can be used on the new Oregons. Notably the default location indicator is a very small blue arrow. You can go to the Garmin garage and grab your favorite vehicle to use on it! Also, the map speed can be set to Normal or Fast. Fast mode works great when moving. The processor on the Oregon 600 is VERY fast!

 

If you have any tracks that you've chosen to show on the map it will now be highlighted with the color you chose for the track on the left hand side of the entry in Track Manager. So if you have multiple tracks saved in the track manager you can scroll through the list and visibly see which ones are shown on the map and what color they are just by scrolling down the list. Another very thoughtful feature.

 

I just have to say again that I'm beside myself at the apparent maturity of the software (v2.60). They must have had this one cooking for a while. I seriously can't find any flaws, odd behavior, or glitches. Everything works as it's supposed to and it works very well. I'm sure a few things will come to light eventually but I remember every release since the Colorado as an early adopter and I remember a lot of frustration having flawed units for months. I'm no Garmin fan-boy, I've torched them in the past for releasing units with half cooked software BUT the release of the Oregon 6xx series finally breaks from that reputation.

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