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Wow! I want! Does anybody else see on the spec pictures what looks like a lane assist image? That would be a nice feature. Also unlimited caches! Also I wonder if the waypoint editing feature where you can delete individual waypoints extends to the geocache section?

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Very like the Montana :)

 

Like a Montana 'mini-me', but with improvements, like GLONASS, LED back lighting, LED Camera Flash, High Speed Wireless for photo and custom map sharing between units.....

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The only thing which stands out for me is GLONASS, and LED backlight (less worries about battery life).

 

Landscape view looks handy too.

 

All depends on price........

 

 

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Looked on the UK Garmin site, but it doesn't give anywhere you can buy it or price :(

 

Checked the US site and it gives the price as $400 but also states

 

This device has not been authorized as required by the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained

 

Maybe they have been a bit hasty putting it on the website?

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They've been a bit hasty with much of their website at the mo, with their new nuvi range etc having lots of dead links. Think there's been a rush to get things out before the CES that starts tomorrow :)

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Capacitive touch screen... a real departure from traditional handhelds. Probably will be no good with gloves on, but should offer a very nice image.

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Capacitive touch screen...

Couldn't find that mentioned anywhere? Is it the fact the screen is multi-touch? Hope it is a capacitive as you can get resistive multi-touch :(

 

 

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They all says they have a basemap.

The T models say they have preloaded Topo maps

But the 600 Specs also says it had preloaded maps. Wonder what maps it has??

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...and what are .GGZ files ??

 

Load caches from GSAK. Or use your favorite program or website supporting GGZ files*.

 

I use GSAK, and I am still unfamiliar with the *.GGZ file format. Can you share more information? How does it compare to a *.GPX?

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.ggz files sound like another garmin proprietary thing. Probably has some opencaching tie-in.

 

Pretty slick looking unit though!

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And the best part :

 

"Unlimited Geocaching: The Oregon can hold an unlimited number of geocaches and supports GPX files from OpenCaching.com for downloading geocaches and details straight to the unit. Using this paperless geocaching feature, users are not only helping the environment but also improving efficiency. The Oregon stores and displays key information, including location, terrain, difficulty, hints and descriptions— it even filters users caches to make searching a breeze, and connects to Chirp® enabled caches."

 

Finally.

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And the best part :

 

"Unlimited Geocaching: The Oregon can hold an unlimited number of geocaches and supports GPX files from OpenCaching.com for downloading geocaches and details straight to the unit. Using this paperless geocaching feature, users are not only helping the environment but also improving efficiency. The Oregon stores and displays key information, including location, terrain, difficulty, hints and descriptions— it even filters users caches to make searching a breeze, and connects to Chirp® enabled caches."

 

Finally.

 

I love that part.

Now, will it take 2 years and 15 firmware releases in order to be usable in the field ?

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I dont really need unlimited since I generally only have the closest thousand but the screen looke really nice. The operating system seems about like my current Montana. As to direct download from OpenCaching once Iload the two within 50 miles of me andfind them there is no reason to go to that site.

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Very like the Montana :)

The Montana has voices, at least for street navigation. Is there any info about the "600" series' ability to produce a sound?

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Very like the Montana :)

The Montana has voices, at least for street navigation. Is there any info about the "600" series' ability to produce a sound?

 

Looks like we will still need a Montana for that feature, although, with Bluetooth, anything is possible :)

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well I still have good ol'60csx and I am planning on buying new unit this summer. Oregon 600 sure looks very tempting but I really like the higher screen size and resolution of Montana. Does anyone know if there is a planned refresh for Montana units this year as well?

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Any guesstimates for the level of stability of the embedded firmware?

 

Probably about the same as any past Garmin handheld GPSr.... ;-)

 

Like a fine wine, they always improve with age.

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Anyone know if there's a "Wherigo" player on them? The page makes no mention of them, the Oregons in the past have been the only gps to actually have one, so if it doesn't, that would mean no more dedicated gps's that I'm aware of have the player.

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Anyone know if there's a "Wherigo" player on them? The page makes no mention of them, the Oregons in the past have been the only gps to actually have one, so if it doesn't, that would mean no more dedicated gps's that I'm aware of have the player.

 

I highly doubt it. Garmin stopped adding Wherigo to their firmware after the release of the 550t.

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Anyone know if there's a "Wherigo" player on them? The page makes no mention of them, the Oregons in the past have been the only gps to actually have one, so if it doesn't, that would mean no more dedicated gps's that I'm aware of have the player.

 

Where is Wherigo?

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The only thing which stands out for me is GLONASS, and LED backlight (less worries about battery life).

 

"LED backlight" is already a feature on every handheld available. How do you think every handheld is backlit? Tungsten bulbs? :)

 

As stated before it looks like a mini-Montana with the addition of some wirless features, capacitive touch-screen, and GLONASS. Should appeal to folks who have an earlier Oregon but me thinks to wait for an updated Montana.

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The only thing which stands out for me is GLONASS, and LED backlight (less worries about battery life).

 

"LED backlight" is already a feature on every handheld available. How do you think every handheld is backlit? Tungsten bulbs?

 

As stated before it looks like a mini-Montana with the addition of some wirless features, capacitive touch-screen, and GLONASS. Should appeal to folks who have an earlier Oregon but me thinks to wait for an updated Montana.

+1 sure love R.E.I :)

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The screen is smaller (albeit not by much: 1.53 X 2.55 (old) vs 1.50 X 2.50 (new)) than the earlier Oregon series. :(

 

Having become addicted to the giant screen on my Montana, well, this offering pales a bit. Only thing that may tempt me is the GLONASS capability. However anything more than 12 sats evokes the law of diminishing returns as far as accuracy goes anyway. There will be a slightly larger model, smaller than the Montana but larger than this, on the market very soon.

 

If only money grew on trees.

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There will be a slightly larger model, smaller than the Montana but larger than this, on the market very soon.

 

Do you have specific information or is this a guess?

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Just a guess.

 

We may now understand where the software engineers are (lack of recent firmware releases for current models).

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Just a guess.

 

We may now understand where the software engineers are (lack of recent firmware releases for current models).

 

BINGO! I think we all probably knew this in the back of our minds though. The only good thing here is that the Montana STILL appears to be the flagship "On the Trail" device, so HOPEFULLY that means they will spin their chairs around, sometime soon, and resume working on Montana firmware. I had convinced myself that a new flagship device was about to appear but now it appear not to be the case (which surprises me).

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Well Montana is almost 2 years old now, it won't surprise me if they launch a new model this year.

This bothers me, because the Montana software is far from error free on this very moment.

 

No way I'm going to buy a new model and doing all the unit swaps and software updates, tweaking and tryouts again, spending time trying updates and downgrading if it was a bad update again.

New models? I will never buy one anymore until it actually really works.

And even then, for car satnav my Android is way better and for off the road I now know the errors of my Montana and also there an Android or Iphone can do the trick.

 

Don't walk in the Garmin marketing trap (again) let them first optimize the software of the old models.

Being a beta tester in the beginning was ok because we knew, but in the end we all lost, because they didn't finish or even bother to finish the software of the last products, they just launched new models without looking back at the older models that still have many issues.

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Splashy,

 

I echo many of your sentiments. I was just entering a note on a waypoint on my Montana and the unit locked up and shut down randomly. It reminded me that there isn't a single time I use my Montana that the unit doesn't freeze up on me at some point.

 

Garmin's model of releasing new hardware that's barely useable and then tweaking the firmware over the next year or so has grown tiresome. Ever since the Colorado we've been dealing with it and while at times fun, mostly it's been annoying.

 

There is no real reason to "upgrade" to this model from the Montana. GLONASS is mostly useless fluff where I live anyway.

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Only thing that may tempt me is the GLONASS capability. However anything more than 12 sats evokes the law of diminishing returns as far as accuracy goes anyway.

Having GLONASS capability on my eTrex 20 makes a big difference, especially when under tree cover.

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With you both. I quite enjoyed the early adopting of Garmin GPSr units, as garmin used to be responsive with each unit... but with each new model the software team faded earlier and earlier..and left each unit more and more unfinished.

 

I have a Montana 650t, enjoy it, but I wish it got more love! Too used to the large screen to get this Oregon refresh, but it looks like a nice unit.

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Hmmm ...

 

I guess you're one of the lucky ones whose Windows PC never freezes? I know mine does occasionally, far more frequently than any of my Garmin GPS. Think we need to keep a perspective here :)

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Hmmm ...

 

I guess you're one of the lucky ones whose Windows PC never freezes? I know mine does occasionally, far more frequently than any of my Garmin GPS. Think we need to keep a perspective here :)

 

No, my Windows PC doesn't freeze up requiring a reboot every time I use it, or ever. I work in an office of 30+ people that use computers daily and I can't recall the last time someones computer locked up. But let's compare apples to apples. Ever heard of anyones smartphone freezing up darn near every time it's used? There may be rare occaisons but generally NO. Unheard of. And the argument that it's all the map files, birdseye, custom maps, and GPX files that are crammed onto the GPS unit is lame. What about all the third party apps and extraneous software for android?

 

Still waiting for that ruggedized AA compatible smartphone. I'll never look back at the dedicated GPS market again.

 

Looking forward to some previews of the new Oregon.

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Guess my Garmins (all 3 of them) are like your office PCs then, can't remember the last time any of mine froze. Maybe you should take one of my GPS and I'll have one of your office PCs in return :laughing:

 

As for smart phones, my wife had to return her first one as it was faulty and her new one still freezes occasionally. I've got the same one but never had a problem. Go figure :)

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Guess my Garmins (all 3 of them) are like your office PCs then, can't remember the last time any of mine froze.

 

You must not own a Montana, the unit from which the Oregon 600 got it's software layout. If we're comparing anything to the new Oregon it would be the Montana.

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The only thing which stands out for me is GLONASS, and LED backlight (less worries about battery life).

 

Landscape view looks handy too.

 

All depends on price........

What do older devices use for backlights?

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@ sussamb

Things are in perspective here.

 

I don't understand why there's always a rejection answer when I say the Garmin model ain't working the way it should and believe me it is NOT working good.

As Maimgray said;

but with each new model the software team faded earlier and earlier..and left each unit more and more unfinished.

 

This is how it is since Colorado/Oregon/Montana, but also with many other model there where big issues. Yeh even with the mighty 60, but at least they solved it.

 

And yes I sometimes have a crash on Pc and Android Phone, but this is incomparable to the issues with the Montana.

http://garminmontanagpsr.wikispaces.com/Common+Issues

 

Should the programmers from Garmin solve these issues, or at least somebody from Garmin communicate with the users we wouldn't have to bring it up every time again.

 

This is a nice looking new model and the Garmin marketing will make you want it, but also this model will have it's issues as all predecessors.

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Guess my Garmins (all 3 of them) are like your office PCs then, can't remember the last time any of mine froze.

 

You must not own a Montana, the unit from which the Oregon 600 got it's software layout. If we're comparing anything to the new Oregon it would be the Montana.

 

You're right ... I don't :)

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Here's how pathetically addicted I am to the hype around new Garmin handhelds. I took a black piece of paper and cut out the exact dimensions of the screen size of the new Oregon. I placed it over the screen of my Montana so I could get a feel of whether or not I could handle the reduction in size (since I would have to sell my Montana to get the new Oregon). After using my GPS all day I just couldn't imagine giving up the big beautiful screen of my Montana. Granted the new Oregon would be more targeted as an upgrade to the current Oregon users (450, 550, 300) but I entertained the thought of how the dual touch screen and GLONASS additions would benefit me. My conclusion was; not as much as a large-a** screen.

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And we have our first two videos of the little guy:

 

 

ADDED: Well the screen redraws look fast but not much faster (if at all) than on the Montana. You can see when he drags the map there is the classic white space for a second before the screen populates. I was hoping for a seamless effect.

 

And that port on the lower right portion of the screen that I thought might be a mini speaker is just a lanyard opening. :(

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