Is 9mm Ammo appropriate swag?

November 20, 2012

Made a find of a hide-key in a shopping center and much to my surprise a live bullet popped out when I opened it. Thoughts?

November 20, 2012

WHAT!?!?! And people thought my Insult Stars were a bad idea (they didn't get made), what the heck are people thinking?

2.5k · November 20, 2012

Made a find of a hide-key in a shopping center and much to my surprise a live bullet popped out when I opened it. Thoughts?

What a horrible idea!

Oh, and the bullet isn't allowed.:

Explosives, fireworks, ammunition, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol and any illicit material should not be placed in a cache. Geocaching is a family-friendly activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages.

Edited November 20, 2012 by Too Tall John

7.9k · November 20, 2012

I've CITOed plenty of live ammunition out of caches.

Not allowed, and really...who is going to trade for it?

If treated properly, it's harmless.

If treated improperly, someone is going to get an owie.

November 20, 2012

I know in one state (Mass) you can't even own spent crushed casings without a permit. A scrapper I know got in trouble because he was collecting them for the metal!

3.6k · November 20, 2012

I know in one state (Mass) you can't even own spent crushed casings without a permit. A scrapper I know got in trouble because he was collecting them for the metal!

What? Thats really a stupid law. Having someone picking up spent casting is good for the earth but to have a permit to do it? geez!

Back on the OP, its against the guideline. Plain and simple.

November 20, 2012

reminds me of a game for kids to play on long and boring plane trips... its called "I've got a bomb". its a race game where they both count backwards from 100 and the first to reach zero jumps up and yells "i've got a bomb!". sure to be a hit i reckon...

live amo in a cache... sheesh! eeediots!

22k · November 20, 2012

I've CITOed plenty of live ammunition out of caches.

Not allowed, and really...who is going to trade for it?

If treated properly, it's harmless.

If treated improperly, someone is going to get an owie.

ayep. Take it to your local Constable so they can properly dispose of it. The first time might take a little explaining, but you're not the bad guy. Are you?

November 20, 2012

I removed a cigarette lighter from a cache a couple of months ago :blink: what is wrong with these people!!!

1.6k · November 20, 2012

It was probably a muggle who left that in there....

I was at a park looking for a cache around a gazebo...didn't find the cache, but I found a fire-cracker looking device about where the cache probably would've been (it was missing). I removed it from the area.... Not a good idea with kids around.

38.2k · November 20, 2012

I removed a cigarette lighter from a cache a couple of months ago what is wrong with these people!!!

Personally I never saw anything wrong with a cigarette lighter. Until they were banned from caches, they were among my favorite swag to leave. Cheap and useful.

5.7k · November 20, 2012

I removed a cigarette lighter from a cache a couple of months ago what is wrong with these people!!!

Personally I never saw anything wrong with a cigarette lighter. Until they were banned from caches, they were among my favorite swag to leave. Cheap and useful.

Just too many "Beavis & Butthead" geocachers out there in todays World. What about leaving Native American arrow points in geocaches? They are considered stone age weapons. Remember the man that wanted to display his collection at a school? Zero tolerance of weapons on school property would not allow it. Ignorance is rampent.

2.6k · November 20, 2012

I removed a cigarette lighter from a cache a couple of months ago what is wrong with these people!!!

Personally I never saw anything wrong with a cigarette lighter. Until they were banned from caches, they were among my favorite swag to leave. Cheap and useful.

They are just as likely, if not more so, to damage the cache or a cacher/muggle than live ammo on it's own.

November 20, 2012

Have you seen the price of ammo? I'd love to find ammo as swag Finding an ammo can full of 5.56 would give new meaning to finding a cache.

Edited November 20, 2012 by clan_Barron

November 20, 2012

I removed a cigarette lighter from a cache a couple of months ago what is wrong with these people!!!

Ditto. Puzzling. And yesterday, a powerbar. :-/

No ammo or throwing stars yet!

1.6k · November 20, 2012

No. Ammo is a bad idea. I found one .22LR once and citoed it. The cacher that placed it actually mentioned it in their found it log(took geocoin, left 22LR)

2.6k · November 20, 2012

No. Ammo is a bad idea. I found one .22LR once and citoed it. The cacher that placed it actually mentioned it in their found it log(took geocoin, left 22LR)

.22 rounds are more dangerous as they are rimfire. Any hard blow on the back or rim of the casing will set them off. Standard rounds require the center primer cap to be struck. This makes them a little safer but they are still not good SWAG.

November 20, 2012

I removed a cigarette lighter from a cache a couple of months ago what is wrong with these people!!!

Personally I never saw anything wrong with a cigarette lighter. Until they were banned from caches, they were among my favorite swag to leave. Cheap and useful.

I just dont think a lighter is exactly family friendly, also I dont think anything that contains any sort of liquid is a good idea, it may be exposed to freezing conditions or melting hot, for an hour or a couple of years, who knows?

5.7k · November 20, 2012

No. Ammo is a bad idea. I found one .22LR once and citoed it. The cacher that placed it actually mentioned it in their found it log(took geocoin, left 22LR)

.22 rounds are more dangerous as they are rimfire. Any hard blow on the back or rim of the casing will set them off. Standard rounds require the center primer cap to be struck. This makes them a little safer but they are still not good SWAG.

Ammo does not make good swag. Some Goober may find a lighter in the same cache and have a boo-boo.

I support firearm education as a parent and gun owner.

November 20, 2012

Aside from it being against the rules and guidelines, I don't see what the big fuss is over things like lighters. How are lighters or ammo not family friendly? Neither are inherently dangerous or pose any immediate threat to people. Many of the objects in caches pose potentially lethal choking hazards to kids, but they are still allowed to be deposited into the cache. I for one would be super stoked to find a 20-round box of 5.56, or even a pack of cheap lighters. They are both useful tools and both have their place in the household whether for utilitarian or educational purposes.

However, even though I disagree with labeling ammo and lighters as "not family friendly," I do agree with not leaving ammo in a cache. Unless it is in a factory sealed package, there is no way to know if the round is safe to fire; the bullet might have been pressed too far into the case by repeated chambering and extracting, it might be a handload with an accidental double charge, the case might be cracked or dented for whatever reason, you just never know. Even if I found a round in a cache, I wouldn't fire it... but I certainly wouldn't raise a big stink about it by taking it to the police!! Some people just act ridiculous about these things... You can't go through life being scared of everything that somebody else deemed to be "unsafe." As parents you should teach your children (and know for yourself) safe use and handling of items such as lighters, ammo, firearms, knives, etc... You won't always be there to hold their hand, so teach them to take care of themselves and don't shy away from sensitive topics (like firearms) because curiosity combined with a lack of knowledge is a recipe for an accident or bad experience regardless of what the topic is.

November 20, 2012

accidental double post- don't see a way to completely delete it.

Edited November 20, 2012 by TDFbound

November 20, 2012

I removed a box of .22 ammo from a cache I found several years ago. I've removed cigars, lighters, food and among the worst of all in my opinion, bubble bottles.

November 21, 2012

9mm no, 45acp-yes

5.7k · November 21, 2012

9mm no, 45acp-yes

+P :laughing:

November 21, 2012

9mm no, 45acp-yes

+P

Caliber debate on a forum about games with a GPS... It really is an argument that will never die. Perhaps in addition to a logbook, there could be a notebook for people to argue for their preferred caliber!

my vote goes to .308 loaded slow with heavy bullets to keep 'em subsonic to take full advantage of a suppressor.

November 21, 2012

Aside from it being against the rules and guidelines, I don't see what the big fuss is over things like lighters. How are lighters or ammo not family friendly? Neither are inherently dangerous or pose any immediate threat to people. Many of the objects in caches pose potentially lethal choking hazards to kids, but they are still allowed to be deposited into the cache. I for one would be super stoked to find a 20-round box of 5.56, or even a pack of cheap lighters. They are both useful tools and both have their place in the household whether for utilitarian or educational purposes.

However, even though I disagree with labeling ammo and lighters as "not family friendly," I do agree with not leaving ammo in a cache. Unless it is in a factory sealed package, there is no way to know if the round is safe to fire; the bullet might have been pressed too far into the case by repeated chambering and extracting, it might be a handload with an accidental double charge, the case might be cracked or dented for whatever reason, you just never know. Even if I found a round in a cache, I wouldn't fire it... but I certainly wouldn't raise a big stink about it by taking it to the police!! Some people just act ridiculous about these things... You can't go through life being scared of everything that somebody else deemed to be "unsafe." As parents you should teach your children (and know for yourself) safe use and handling of items such as lighters, ammo, firearms, knives, etc... You won't always be there to hold their hand, so teach them to take care of themselves and don't shy away from sensitive topics (like firearms) because curiosity combined with a lack of knowledge is a recipe for an accident or bad experience regardless of what the topic is.

Well if you live in a place in constant peril from forest fires, you might feel differently about lighters. A child or a careless adult could easily start a fire that could leave thousands of people homeless in our tinderbox of a state right now.

November 21, 2012

9mm no, 45acp-yes

Bwahahah!!

I prefer these:

5.7k · November 21, 2012

9mm no, 45acp-yes

+P

Caliber debate on a forum about games with a GPS... It really is an argument that will never die. Perhaps in addition to a logbook, there could be a notebook for people to argue for their preferred caliber!

my vote goes to .308 loaded slow with heavy bullets to keep 'em subsonic to take full advantage of a suppressor.

I'm with you on the 7.62mm with my hand loaded 168gr target rounds. I use my GPS unit as a range finder and to mark hunting blinds. I once found a reloaded .308 Win load without the primer, and the pocket had been drilled out and a eyelet installed. I still have it in my swag collection.

November 21, 2012

Well if you live in a place in constant peril from forest fires, you might feel differently about lighters. A child or a careless adult could easily start a fire that could leave thousands of people homeless in our tinderbox of a state right now.

I suppose that is kind of my point- regardless of what the item is, if a person uses it safely and for its intended purpose, what's the problem? How is the act of geocaching any safer than a Bic lighter? This hobby has the potential to draw inexperienced and unfit people out into the woods/desert/environment where they may become injured, lost, or find themselves terribly ill-prepared for the situation at hand, and you say a plastic lighter is dangerous? Whatever.

5.7k · November 21, 2012

9mm no, 45acp-yes

Bwahahah!!

I prefer these:

Those really are nice, but I just had to have one of these.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/m48-apocalypse-tactical-tomahawk.aspx?a=1039875

It's too nice to use for "Bushwacking" to geocaches. :laughing:

We have been into the Zombie stuff for quite some time now.

November 21, 2012

MUST have that!

5.7k · November 21, 2012

MUST have that!

It's for members only now. Kinda like a PMO Zombie cache? :laughing: :unsure:

M48® Apocalypse™ Tactical Tomahawk is the ultimate in bad axe blades!

Edited November 21, 2012 by Manville Possum Hunters

38.2k · November 21, 2012

I removed a cigarette lighter from a cache a couple of months ago what is wrong with these people!!!

Personally I never saw anything wrong with a cigarette lighter. Until they were banned from caches, they were among my favorite swag to leave. Cheap and useful.

I just dont think a lighter is exactly family friendly, also I dont think anything that contains any sort of liquid is a good idea, it may be exposed to freezing conditions or melting hot, for an hour or a couple of years, who knows?

I'm curious as to why you would say a useful tool such as a lighter is not "family friendly". Porno mags, tobacco and alcohol I can see, however I don't see why a thoroughly useful tool like a lighter would be family unfriendly.

November 21, 2012

Just for the record I did take it and I felt bad about not having anything of the same value, I didn't run to the police, just signed the log and put it back. Quite frankly it made the hide-a-key difficult to open so you should have seen the look on my wife's face when she finally slid it opened it was like a spent shell being fired. I assumed the rules were no ammo that is why I took it.

I got a very nice note from the CO about removing it so I felt I did a good thing. I just posted for opinions and I love the fact there were 32. Thank you folks and Happy Thanksgiving to the rAmerican posters

1.2k · November 21, 2012

Take it to your local Constable so they can properly dispose of it.

Even if I found a round in a cache, I wouldn't fire it... but I certainly wouldn't raise a big stink about it by taking it to the police!!

I don't think anyone made mention of raising a big stink and taking it to the police. The issue is what to do with live ammo if you need to dispose of it. So long as it remains around, intact, there's always a chance of it going off. The safest way to get rid of live ammo is to shoot it at a proper firing range, but if you don't happen to own a gun that will shoot it, then simply discarding it in the trash leaves open the possibility of accidental discharge.

5.7k · November 21, 2012

Take it to your local Constable so they can properly dispose of it.

Even if I found a round in a cache, I wouldn't fire it... but I certainly wouldn't raise a big stink about it by taking it to the police!!

I don't think anyone made mention of raising a big stink and taking it to the police. The issue is what to do with live ammo if you need to dispose of it. So long as it remains around, intact, there's always a chance of it going off. The safest way to get rid of live ammo is to shoot it at a proper firing range, but if you don't happen to own a gun that will shoot it, then simply discarding it in the trash leaves open the possibility of accidental discharge.

Never fire ammo that you find. It could be a reload with the wrong type powder or anything. Wal-Mart won't even allow returns on ammo. :lol: Really, it's a federal Law.

1.2k · November 21, 2012

The safest way to get rid of live ammo is to shoot it at a proper firing range...

Never fire ammo that you find. It could be a reload with the wrong type powder or anything.

Sorry. I know that point was made earlier, and it was a good one. What I meant is simply that a round purchased and used properly is fine, but having stray rounds lying around and ending up in random locations represents a safety hazard. I don't mean to imply that we should accept ammo from strangers. I have found live rounds in caches a few times, and the only thing I could think to do with them is ditch them away from the trail.

2.6k · November 21, 2012

The safest way to get rid of live ammo is to shoot it at a proper firing range...

Never fire ammo that you find. It could be a reload with the wrong type powder or anything.

Sorry. I know that point was made earlier, and it was a good one. What I meant is simply that a round purchased and used properly is fine, but having stray rounds lying around and ending up in random locations represents a safety hazard. I don't mean to imply that we should accept ammo from strangers. I have found live rounds in caches a few times, and the only thing I could think to do with them is ditch them away from the trail.

As a gunsmith I take in old ammo from time to time. I use a bullet puller to take the round apart. I dispose of the powder the primer. The bullet is put aside for recycling. The casing is inspected and reused or recycled as needed.

That is the proper way to dispose of ammo.

November 21, 2012

I removed a cigarette lighter from a cache a couple of months ago what is wrong with these people!!!

Personally I never saw anything wrong with a cigarette lighter. Until they were banned from caches, they were among my favorite swag to leave. Cheap and useful.

I just dont think a lighter is exactly family friendly, also I dont think anything that contains any sort of liquid is a good idea, it may be exposed to freezing conditions or melting hot, for an hour or a couple of years, who knows?

I'm curious as to why you would say a useful tool such as a lighter is not "family friendly". Porno mags, tobacco and alcohol I can see, however I don't see why a thoroughly useful tool like a lighter would be family unfriendly.

Whatever....I will still remove them if I find any.

November 22, 2012

I remove business cards or any commercial advertising I find in caches, they annoy me. Just never thought I would be dealing with a bullet.

1.2k · November 22, 2012

As a gunsmith I take in old ammo from time to time. I use a bullet puller to take the round apart. I dispose of the powder the primer. The bullet is put aside for recycling. The casing is inspected and reused or recycled as needed.

That is the proper way to dispose of ammo.

I'm going to have to say that, for me, the proper way to dispose of it is to take it to a gunsmith, then. I'm sure not going to be pulling any bullets in my living room. I've never heard of this sort of thing, before, and you're the first one to mention it, here, so I hope you'll forgive my ignorance. If I did find a live round in a geocache, could I really walk it into a gunsmith's shop and hand it to him with the expectation that he'd dispose of it for me? I mean, is that standard business for them? Is there typically some kind of fee involved? Will he laugh his head off if I walk in there with just one bullet? :lol: Can you tell I get really nervous in unfamiliar situations?

5.7k · November 22, 2012

As a gunsmith I take in old ammo from time to time. I use a bullet puller to take the round apart. I dispose of the powder the primer. The bullet is put aside for recycling. The casing is inspected and reused or recycled as needed.

That is the proper way to dispose of ammo.

I'm going to have to say that, for me, the proper way to dispose of it is to take it to a gunsmith, then. I'm sure not going to be pulling any bullets in my living room. I've never heard of this sort of thing, before, and you're the first one to mention it, here, so I hope you'll forgive my ignorance. If I did find a live round in a geocache, could I really walk it into a gunsmith's shop and hand it to him with the expectation that he'd dispose of it for me? I mean, is that standard business for them? Is there typically some kind of fee involved? Will he laugh his head off if I walk in there with just one bullet? Can you tell I get really nervous in unfamiliar situations?

Pulling bullets is common in reloading. I do it. At $30+ per 50 bullets, I'm not wasting my money if one of my reloads does not meet my standards. I'm also a member of a gun club that has a container to drop "dud" ammo in. Where do you dump your other Haz Mat like used batterys for your GPS unit? :unsure: We store them in 2 liter bottles and turn them in to our waste facility.

November 22, 2012

As a gunsmith I take in old ammo from time to time. I use a bullet puller to take the round apart. I dispose of the powder the primer. The bullet is put aside for recycling. The casing is inspected and reused or recycled as needed.

That is the proper way to dispose of ammo.

I'm going to have to say that, for me, the proper way to dispose of it is to take it to a gunsmith, then. I'm sure not going to be pulling any bullets in my living room. I've never heard of this sort of thing, before, and you're the first one to mention it, here, so I hope you'll forgive my ignorance. If I did find a live round in a geocache, could I really walk it into a gunsmith's shop and hand it to him with the expectation that he'd dispose of it for me? I mean, is that standard business for them? Is there typically some kind of fee involved? Will he laugh his head off if I walk in there with just one bullet? Can you tell I get really nervous in unfamiliar situations?

Ha! Reloading is super common - you must not be from Texas I do believe here they'd laugh if you brought them a bullet.

It's a really fun process if you ever decide to do it - great for people who love precision. You know - Virgos

5.7k · November 22, 2012

As a gunsmith I take in old ammo from time to time. I use a bullet puller to take the round apart. I dispose of the powder the primer. The bullet is put aside for recycling. The casing is inspected and reused or recycled as needed.

That is the proper way to dispose of ammo.

I'm going to have to say that, for me, the proper way to dispose of it is to take it to a gunsmith, then. I'm sure not going to be pulling any bullets in my living room. I've never heard of this sort of thing, before, and you're the first one to mention it, here, so I hope you'll forgive my ignorance. If I did find a live round in a geocache, could I really walk it into a gunsmith's shop and hand it to him with the expectation that he'd dispose of it for me? I mean, is that standard business for them? Is there typically some kind of fee involved? Will he laugh his head off if I walk in there with just one bullet? Can you tell I get really nervous in unfamiliar situations?

Ha! Reloading is super common - you must not be from Texas I do believe here they'd laugh if you brought them a bullet.

It's a really fun process if you ever decide to do it - great for people who love precision. You know - Virgos

We should start a thread about it in the off topic forums. Many of us have common interests in firearms, and we are responsable people that would not leave ammo as swag. As far as how to dispose of it? Use tax $'s. http://www.ehow.com/how_8520124_do-dispose-bullet.html Or you could educate yourself I guess? :unsure:

2.6k · November 22, 2012

As a gunsmith I take in old ammo from time to time. I use a bullet puller to take the round apart. I dispose of the powder the primer. The bullet is put aside for recycling. The casing is inspected and reused or recycled as needed.

That is the proper way to dispose of ammo.

I'm going to have to say that, for me, the proper way to dispose of it is to take it to a gunsmith, then. I'm sure not going to be pulling any bullets in my living room. I've never heard of this sort of thing, before, and you're the first one to mention it, here, so I hope you'll forgive my ignorance. If I did find a live round in a geocache, could I really walk it into a gunsmith's shop and hand it to him with the expectation that he'd dispose of it for me? I mean, is that standard business for them? Is there typically some kind of fee involved? Will he laugh his head off if I walk in there with just one bullet? Can you tell I get really nervous in unfamiliar situations?

I've never had anyone bring me just one bullet. I have had folks bring me old boxes of ammo they found the Grandpa's old stuff, or some old forgotten chest in the attic or shed you what-have-you. It's not common but it does happen. As long as you're not talking about a large amount that would take a lot of time away from paying jobs, no I don't charge for the service. Keeping the brass is payment enough for me. If you find that much ammo, call the cops. As far the laughing part, no, if you tell them you found it wherever and just wanted to dispose of it they shouldn't think anything about it.

Anyone that reloads ammo should have a puller. They don't have to be a gunsmith to have one or use one.

2.6k · November 22, 2012

We should start a thread about it in the off topic forums. Many of us have common interests in firearms, and we are responsable people that would not leave ammo as swag. As far as how to dispose of it? Use tax $'s. http://www.ehow.com/how_8520124_do-dispose-bullet.html Or you could educate yourself I guess?

Done

http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=304403

1.2k · November 22, 2012

Where do you dump your other Haz Mat like used batterys for your GPS unit? We store them in 2 liter bottles and turn them in to our waste facility.

Actually, I work at a waste facility, so all I have to do is bring my batteries to work. They do occasionally get people who want to drop off live ammo, because it's "hazardous waste," but explosives and ammo are a different category of trash, altogether. It's an understandable confusion. We don't take that kind of hazardous waste. Someone even tried to give us a live hand grenade, once, I'm told. Now there's a case of someone not knowing what to do with live ammo! I can imagine keeping that thing in the family, passing it down from one generation to the next, because no one knew how to get rid of it and everyone was afraid to ask. :lol: I hope they weren't geocachers.

6.1k · November 22, 2012

I'm curious as to why you would say a useful tool such as a lighter is not "family friendly". Porno mags, tobacco and alcohol I can see, however I don't see why a thoroughly useful tool like a lighter would be family unfriendly.

Most 10-14 year old boys are pyromaniacs. Ask any scout leader.

November 22, 2012

I disposed of the bullet, it was brand new so if I had a gun I would not have a problem firing it, and not long after I found it I saw a cop car parked in the shopping center and asked him if it would be the right thing for me to give it to him, he said he didn't want it, good cop. That kind of caught me off guard. Anyway the bullet is gone and I loved all the different directions this thread went especially the comment about passing it down from generation to generation because no one knew how to get rid of it. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

3.3k · November 23, 2012

ANDRONICUS' Instructions for Disposal of Munitions

Hand Grenade

Step

1 Take grenade to isolated area.

2 If forest area, find clearing.

3 Pull pin.

4 Throw as far as you can.

Live rifle/handgun shell

Step

1 Take shell to isolated area.

2 Bring rifle and appropriate ammunition with you.

3 If forest area, find clearing.

4 Set shell against tree or log.

5 Walk away 20 yards (very distance as needed relative to load size).

6 Shoot the shell with you rifle.

Is 9mm Ammo appropriate swag?

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