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Today I got a Garmin eTrex 10 to replace my Apisphere Geomate Jr. (which I was never able to update since the recent problems, and which has since become waterlogged and dead anyway). Just got back from a fruitless geocaching trip. I have some questions:

  • I was able to load a 1000-cache PQ onto the unit, thanks to another thread in this forum. But I cannot figure out how to access data other than cache name, GC code, and location (and even switching between name and GC code is clumsy). How can I access the descriptions and logs? I get a low-memory warning. Do I just have too many caches loaded?
  • Basemap: really? There doesn't seem to be a map at all other than a dotted line marking my trail. No roads, trails, or landmarks show up, although caches do. (Not very helpful without roads, etc.) I am not picky about wanting a fancy map, but this non-map is useless. Also, once I'm in the map, how to I exit back to the menu?
  • Position updating: I may not be using it right, but there seems to be a problem with real-time updating of my position and distance to the cache. Sometimes I can wander 10 or 20 feet and nothing changes on the screen. This never happened with my Geomate (even when it had trouble getting an accurate signal). It is impossible to find ground zero when you have to guess whether the cache distance/direction on the screen is current.

I really, really appreciate any tips or help that anybody can offer. Thanks!

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Hate to say, you bought the wrong gps.

This new gps seems to be out of production, because it's not listed at Garmin.

 

This Gps doesn't have a micro Sd slot, thus you're stuck with the memory you have.

The basemap IS a BASEMAP only with mayor roads, no streets and no trails.

 

The 1000 cache Pq shouldn't be very big and the basemap is between 50 > 100 mB, so I wonder what's taking the space.

 

Anyhow you need to have a map, they are available free (yes good) and for sale from Garmin.

 

If you can trade it for a Etrex 20 do it now.

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Hate to say, you bought the wrong gps.

This new gps seems to be out of production, because it's not listed at Garmin.

 

This Gps doesn't have a micro Sd slot, thus you're stuck with the memory you have.

The basemap IS a BASEMAP only with mayor roads, no streets and no trails.

 

The 1000 cache Pq shouldn't be very big and the basemap is between 50 > 100 mB, so I wonder what's taking the space.

 

Anyhow you need to have a map, they are available free (yes good) and for sale from Garmin.

 

If you can trade it for a Etrex 20 do it now.

 

I see it on garmins site... It's under "basic" handhelds.

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Today I got a Garmin eTrex 10 to replace my Apisphere Geomate Jr. (which I was never able to update since the recent problems, and which has since become waterlogged and dead anyway). Just got back from a fruitless geocaching trip. I have some questions:

  • I was able to load a 1000-cache PQ onto the unit, thanks to another thread in this forum. But I cannot figure out how to access data other than cache name, GC code, and location (and even switching between name and GC code is clumsy). How can I access the descriptions and logs? I get a low-memory warning. Do I just have too many caches loaded?
  • Basemap: really? There doesn't seem to be a map at all other than a dotted line marking my trail. No roads, trails, or landmarks show up, although caches do. (Not very helpful without roads, etc.) I am not picky about wanting a fancy map, but this non-map is useless. Also, once I'm in the map, how to I exit back to the menu?
  • Position updating: I may not be using it right, but there seems to be a problem with real-time updating of my position and distance to the cache. Sometimes I can wander 10 or 20 feet and nothing changes on the screen. This never happened with my Geomate (even when it had trouble getting an accurate signal). It is impossible to find ground zero when you have to guess whether the cache distance/direction on the screen is current.

I really, really appreciate any tips or help that anybody can offer. Thanks!

On garmins site... It shows 1000 waypoints. Many geocaches load parking and trailhead child waypoints. I would try 500 and see if the problem remains. The map is the Map on that one... It's weak. As far as the position... I wonder if the 10 suffers from the sticky issue that the 20/30 suffer from? (check some of the threads on the 20 sticky issue to see if it sounds like the problems you are having)

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On garmins site... It shows 1000 waypoints. Many geocaches load parking and trailhead child waypoints. I would try 500 and see if the problem remains. The map is the Map on that one... It's weak. As far as the position... I wonder if the 10 suffers from the sticky issue that the 20/30 suffer from? (check some of the threads on the 20 sticky issue to see if it sounds like the problems you are having)

 

Thanks. I will read about the "sticky" issue. The file I loaded was 4.5MB. I didn't add the separate waypoint file, but who knows how much excess data was there. I'll try a smaller PQ. If the map really is this useless, I'll be disappointed, but it's not a big issue because my Geomate had no map, and I loved it anyway (until I couldn't update it anymore). I also found another thread that I think will help me with the UI issues I was having, which may help. Don't know when I'll get out again to try it, though, because of the holiday weekend. But, while there aren't many things I prefer to geocaching, Easter is one of them. :)

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On garmins site... It shows 1000 waypoints. Many geocaches load parking and trailhead child waypoints. I would try 500 and see if the problem remains. The map is the Map on that one... It's weak. As far as the position... I wonder if the 10 suffers from the sticky issue that the 20/30 suffer from? (check some of the threads on the 20 sticky issue to see if it sounds like the problems you are having)

 

Thanks. I will read about the "sticky" issue. The file I loaded was 4.5MB. I didn't add the separate waypoint file, but who knows how much excess data was there. I'll try a smaller PQ. If the map really is this useless, I'll be disappointed, but it's not a big issue because my Geomate had no map, and I loved it anyway (until I couldn't update it anymore). I also found another thread that I think will help me with the UI issues I was having, which may help. Don't know when I'll get out again to try it, though, because of the holiday weekend. But, while there aren't many things I prefer to geocaching, Easter is one of them. :)

 

Happy Easter! Let us know if you get it figured out.

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A quick review of what I learned when I owned an eTrex 10:

 

- The "1000 geocache" limit is a hard maximum, a number of "slots" in memory available. But how many will really fit in memory is a bit fuzzy -- depends on how long the cache description and logs are in your pocket query. In practice I would get the "low memory" error when the GPX file was much over 3 or 3.5 megabytes, and that could be anywhere from 300 to 500 caches depending on how wordy the logs were.

 

- There is no basemap to speak of, unless you count dots for major city names and solid lines for most of the US Interstate System. And there is no capacity to add additional maps, which is why Garmin calls this a "basic handheld" rather than a "mapping handheld."

 

- I thought the eTrex was nearly ideal for simple hiking and bicycling use, but not as good for geocaching. I traded up to an eTrex 20, which lets me load 4000 caches (or is that 5000?), add all the maps I need, and has a color screen. Actually on my bicycle handlebars I'd rather have a monochrome screen, but I value the extra memory and maps more overall.

 

Hope this helps.

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I traded up to an eTrex 20, which lets me load 4000 caches (or is that 5000?)

The etrex 30 will take 5000, so I guess the same for the 20

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You get the description by going to the geocaching page again, or from the map screen, select "view geocache" from the menu.

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It seems "stupid" if the 20/30 has the sticky problem and the 10 hasn't. Because if that is the case, the solution to the problems of the 20/30 lies in the code of the 10. The receivers share the same Teseo II chipset.

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Tr_s ... it would hard to say if the 10 does or doesn't have the problem you're talking about. It isn't universally seen among all 20/30 owners, and the eTrex 10 accounts for less than a quarter of the combined 10-20-30 market base.

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...eTrex 20... lets me load 4000 caches (or is that 5000?)
The etrex 30 will take 5000, so I guess the same for the 20

Yes, you're right of course. I was just having a small mental lapse there. I usually load the GPS with blocks of 4000 because I have a set of 4 PQ's for that total size. And for some reason I blanked on the detail that there was really more capacity in the GPS. The fact that I would have to extract significantly fewer than 1000 caches for the eTrex 10 on any given day I wanted to go out - instead of just keeping my whole database loaded - was really my sole disappointment with the device.

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Tr_s ... it would hard to say if the 10 does or doesn't have the problem you're talking about. It isn't universally seen among all 20/30 owners, and the eTrex 10 accounts for less than a quarter of the combined 1020/30 market base.

 

You are right about that, and I guess most "gps nerds" wouldn't buy a 10 and hang in forums. No references on google that it'd be sticky at least.

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A quick review of what I learned when I owned an eTrex 10:

 

- The "1000 geocache" limit is a hard maximum, a number of "slots" in memory available. But how many will really fit in memory is a bit fuzzy -- depends on how long the cache description and logs are in your pocket query. In practice I would get the "low memory" error when the GPX file was much over 3 or 3.5 megabytes, and that could be anywhere from 300 to 500 caches depending on how wordy the logs were.

 

- There is no basemap to speak of, unless you count dots for major city names and solid lines for most of the US Interstate System. And there is no capacity to add additional maps, which is why Garmin calls this a "basic handheld" rather than a "mapping handheld."

 

- I thought the eTrex was nearly ideal for simple hiking and bicycling use, but not as good for geocaching. I traded up to an eTrex 20, which lets me load 4000 caches (or is that 5000?), add all the maps I need, and has a color screen. Actually on my bicycle handlebars I'd rather have a monochrome screen, but I value the extra memory and maps more overall.

 

Hope this helps.

 

I ran a 500-cache PQ that was 2.25MB, and it solved the problem. I can access all the descriptions and logs now. I'll experiment with adding more files to find the functional limit.

 

The monochrome screen was actually one reason I chose this model, since I thought it would be easier to read in sunlight. The stock photos of the unit used in marketing seemed to show a basic trail map, so I made a bad assumption rather than researching the issue more thoroughly. The other reason I chose it was the price point, as my geocaching budget is tight (and rather hard-won from the family budget). Thanks for everyone's input!

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Tr_s ... it would hard to say if the 10 does or doesn't have the problem you're talking about. It isn't universally seen among all 20/30 owners, and the eTrex 10 accounts for less than a quarter of the combined 10/20/30 market base.

 

Well, I did read about the sticky issue, and watched a video of a sticky eTrex 30 alongside another Garmin unit, and it does seem to be just my luck that I have a sticky eTrex 10. I emailed Garmin support, though the forum threads didn't leave me optimistic about what kind of response I'll get. <_< Other than the sticky issue, I think this unit will be adequate for me, if not ideal. Remember I'm coming from the Geomate Jr. so I'm used to "bare-bones" geocaching tech! B)

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...The monochrome screen was actually one reason I chose this model, since I thought it would be easier to read in sunlight. The stock photos of the unit used in marketing seemed to show a basic trail map, so I made a bad assumption rather than researching the issue more thoroughly.

I hold the same opinion of the monochrome screen, especially for bicycling -- though the color one isn't too bad. As for the "trail map" on Garmin's marketing page, you CAN load your own tracks and make it look that way. That's is how I do cue sheets for my bike rides. I plan longer rides with Bikely.com and copy the GPX file to the eTrex, and view the track when I'm on the road. I prefer a simple line & cues about when the next turn is coming up rather than a cluttered ma.

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and it does seem to be just my luck that I have a sticky eTrex 10. I emailed Garmin support,

 

Ok - as I anticipated then. In the meantime, try switching off Glonass if you have it on. I did see some sticky behavior when I tried Glonass enabled today. Maybe the calculated position is an average of Glonass and GPS position or something. After all, they have written "improved GPS response..." in the bugfixes, not GLONASS response. And indeed GLONASS is not enabled by default. Duh.

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and it does seem to be just my luck that I have a sticky eTrex 10. I emailed Garmin support,

 

Ok - as I anticipated then. In the meantime, try switching off Glonass if you have it on. I did see some sticky behavior when I tried Glonass enabled today. Maybe the calculated position is an average of Glonass and GPS position or something. After all, they have written "improved GPS response..." in the bugfixes, not GLONASS response. And indeed GLONASS is not enabled by default. Duh.

 

Before I started, I had enabled WAAS but not GLONASS. I tried turning off WAAS and will see if it helps next time I go out. (And foolish me, when I saw the option I wondered, "Why WOULDN'T you want WAAS?")

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Ok, time to complain to Garmin so they get to much needed work with the 10 as well then! (sounded like you already had done so...)

 

I doubt turning off Waas helps though. It's just a couple of satellites which "augments" the position error caused in a specific area by atmospheric effects etc.

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- There is no basemap to speak of, unless you count dots for major city names and solid lines for most of the US Interstate System.

Sure there is, it's a 1M basemap. There are no detailed maps. Just because the basemap isn't a 24K detailed map doesn't make it not a basemap. Compared to my original eTrex that has no basemap, it's quite an improvement.
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Out of interest how much memory does that device have in total? If it has a few megabytes then at least a rudimentary roadmap of a country can be stored! While there is no official support for it, apparently the gmapbmap.img file can be replaced according to reports.

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Sure there is, it's a 1M basemap. There are no detailed maps. Just because the basemap isn't a 24K detailed map doesn't make it not a basemap. Compared to my original eTrex that has no basemap, it's quite an improvement.

Picky picky picky :)

 

But okay, you're right. Instead of saying "the etrex 10 no basemap, unless you count these minimal items..." I should have said "The basemap is just these minimal items..." Which to me is nearly the same thing, and does seem useless -- is there an instance where it is useful to you? Or even a hypothetical one you could present for anyone else?

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Today I got a Garmin eTrex 10 to replace my Apisphere Geomate Jr. (which I was never able to update since the recent problems, and which has since become waterlogged and dead anyway). Just got back from a fruitless geocaching trip. I have some questions:

  • I was able to load a 1000-cache PQ onto the unit, thanks to another thread in this forum. But I cannot figure out how to access data other than cache name, GC code, and location (and even switching between name and GC code is clumsy). How can I access the descriptions and logs? I get a low-memory warning. Do I just have too many caches loaded?
  • Basemap: really? There doesn't seem to be a map at all other than a dotted line marking my trail. No roads, trails, or landmarks show up, although caches do. (Not very helpful without roads, etc.) I am not picky about wanting a fancy map, but this non-map is useless. Also, once I'm in the map, how to I exit back to the menu?
  • Position updating: I may not be using it right, but there seems to be a problem with real-time updating of my position and distance to the cache. Sometimes I can wander 10 or 20 feet and nothing changes on the screen. This never happened with my Geomate (even when it had trouble getting an accurate signal). It is impossible to find ground zero when you have to guess whether the cache distance/direction on the screen is current.

I really, really appreciate any tips or help that anybody can offer. Thanks!

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There is nothing wrong with the 10. I have several gpsr's and I like the 10 a lot. Every week with the gsak macro, I load over 1600 caches, complete with all the details. I have free maps from Florida to Maine, all the way up the coast, and never ran out of memory. Just my opinion...

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Team Lucky - how do you load maps onto the eTrex 10? And how do you manage to fit 1600 caches complete with all details onto the unit without running out oe memory?

 

Are you sure you're not thinking about one of your several other GPSRs?

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But okay, you're right. Instead of saying "the etrex 10 no basemap, unless you count these minimal items..." I should have said "The basemap is just these minimal items..." Which to me is nearly the same thing, and does seem useless

Well, you could have just said that it only has a Basemap, and if they wanted detailed maps it was the wrong unit for them.
is there an instance where it is useful to you? Or even a hypothetical one you could present for anyone else?
Sure, I could. I bet I can even get you to name at least one.
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Coggins, if you can present situation situations where the eTrex 10 basemap is useful to you or others, I'll listen.

 

But for my own purposes? Best I can come up with is if I was dropped into the middle of nowhere, needing to know the general direction and distance of the nearest main road, town, or geographical feature-- with no other way of determining that other than the GPS.

 

Hasn't happened to me yet, and I doubt it ever will. Closest to that scenario was about 30 years ago, USAF survival training. No GPS, but the minimal navigation skill and area knowledge I had then was more useful than what's on the eTrex 10 today.

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Just bought one today and will probably use it in conjunction with my Android phone's GPS (I bought the Groundspeak Ap). I figure it's a good unit to learn and will get a better one if the budget permits.

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Used it to find a cache today. It performed a lot better than the Ap on my Android phone once I got within 45 feet. The ground cover and the location (on a hillside overlooking a river)made the Ap quarky.

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Oh dear, I think I have fallen into a trap by buying the Garmin E-trex 10. I bought it as part of a geocaching starter pack, so assumed it would serve the purpose. We trialled it on Salisbury plain and were very disappointed to find:

 

a) compass was not accurate

B) it took ages to update our position so we ended up going round in circles and did not find the cache.

c) there is no map to speak of, and no maps can be uploaded.

I said I did not think the device is fit for purpose and asked for my money back, which Garmin is refusing.

 

Garmin customer services say:

 

'As it is this device does not have an electronic compass, so can only provide directional information from GPS and as such can only provide directional information whilst moving. Today's GPS receivers are extremely accurate, thanks to their parallel multi-channel design. Certain atmospheric factors and other sources of error can affect the accuracy of GPS receivers. Garmin® GPS receivers are accurate to within 15 meters (49 feet) 95% of the time. Generally, users will see accuracy within 5 to 10 meters (16 to 33 feet) under normal conditions.

As there is this margin of error, when the satellites refresh it may position you in a slightly different position which can cause slight fluctuations in the compass, and this is unavoidable as its due to the limitations of GPS technology, but should reset itself correctly once it has determined the direction of travel once again.

The eTrex 10 is not a mapping device and has never been advertised as such. It does have a basemap which will show landmass and some major roads and cities, but this is just to provide a rough indication of location (full coordinates can be obtained) as there is no option to add any mapping. If you wished to obtain and add mapping to a device then you would have required the eTrex 20 and 30.

As the unit is picking up the satellites correctly there appears to be no fault with this, and is working correctly. As it is long past the required time to return the item under the distance selling act, this cannot be returned unless there is a fault, which does not appear to be the case, and in accordance with our warranty terms, should there be a fault, would replace any faulty items with a like for like model as the sole solution in this matter.'

 

Am I missing something? Should I be persevering or is this machine really a complete waste of money?

 

All the best

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Oh dear, I think I have fallen into a trap by buying the Garmin E-trex 10. I bought it as part of a geocaching starter pack, so assumed it would serve the purpose. We trialled it on Salisbury plain and were very disappointed to find:

 

a) compass was not accurate

B) it took ages to update our position so we ended up going round in circles and did not find the cache.

c) there is no map to speak of, and no maps can be uploaded.

I said I did not think the device is fit for purpose and asked for my money back, which Garmin is refusing.

 

Garmin customer services say:

 

'As it is this device does not have an electronic compass, so can only provide directional information from GPS and as such can only provide directional information whilst moving. Today's GPS receivers are extremely accurate, thanks to their parallel multi-channel design. Certain atmospheric factors and other sources of error can affect the accuracy of GPS receivers. Garmin® GPS receivers are accurate to within 15 meters (49 feet) 95% of the time. Generally, users will see accuracy within 5 to 10 meters (16 to 33 feet) under normal conditions.

As there is this margin of error, when the satellites refresh it may position you in a slightly different position which can cause slight fluctuations in the compass, and this is unavoidable as its due to the limitations of GPS technology, but should reset itself correctly once it has determined the direction of travel once again.

The eTrex 10 is not a mapping device and has never been advertised as such. It does have a basemap which will show landmass and some major roads and cities, but this is just to provide a rough indication of location (full coordinates can be obtained) as there is no option to add any mapping. If you wished to obtain and add mapping to a device then you would have required the eTrex 20 and 30.

As the unit is picking up the satellites correctly there appears to be no fault with this, and is working correctly. As it is long past the required time to return the item under the distance selling act, this cannot be returned unless there is a fault, which does not appear to be the case, and in accordance with our warranty terms, should there be a fault, would replace any faulty items with a like for like model as the sole solution in this matter.'

 

Am I missing something? Should I be persevering or is this machine really a complete waste of money?

 

All the best

 

Unfortunately the word compass means two different things. One is an electronic substitute for the old (and reliable) magnetic needle on a pivot. Your e10 does not have this. The second meaning is the screen that displays a compass rosette with an arrow indicating the direction you need to travel to reach your target. This is what you have on your e10. To use that screen you need to be moving while holding the GPS pointed in the direction you are moving. The e10 is quite accurate. However understand that as you get within 10 to 30 feet of your target, the arrow will bounce around. At this point you are as close as the GPS will take you so you need to start searching.

 

Mapping is not required to find geocaches. I found several hundred with only the near useless base map on a very old eTrex before getting my e20. Maps are a real plus, and I would not be without them now. Your desire to have a GPS with useful maps is understandable, but that doesn't make the e10 unsuitable for caching.

 

I suggest you pack it up, and offer it for sale. You can probably get 80% of what you paid for it. Then take a look at the e20 which is a fine GPS for a moderate price. It, like the e10, comes with only the sparse base map but you can get excellent free maps for it.

 

I'm sorry you didn't get a chance to do more research before taking the plunge. The shortcomings of the e10 have been discussed at length in these forums. When you read them to learn about the e20 you will see there were initial issues with the unit when it was first released. These have been resolved and most users are very happy with it.

 

Good luck!

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Can anyone help me please just bought the etrex10 but it doesn't seem to show many caches not even half as many as the iPhone app. Really struggling to figure out how to use the handheld

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Can anyone help me please just bought the etrex10 but it doesn't seem to show many caches not even half as many as the iPhone app. Really struggling to figure out how to use the handheld

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It'll only show the nearest but any you've loaded should all be there ... you can check by panning the map.

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All Garmins use the same tech, it's just the features and services that differ. There is no perfect match so until Garmin updates it's hardware you will have to accept all the foibles.

 

Try geocaching with only just a map and a compass, no GPS; see what I mean!

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Today I got a Garmin eTrex 10 to replace my Apisphere Geomate Jr. (which I was never able to update since the recent problems, and which has since become waterlogged and dead anyway). Just got back from a fruitless geocaching trip. I have some questions:

  • I was able to load a 1000-cache PQ onto the unit, thanks to another thread in this forum. But I cannot figure out how to access data other than cache name, GC code, and location (and even switching between name and GC code is clumsy). How can I access the descriptions and logs? I get a low-memory warning. Do I just have too many caches loaded?
  • Basemap: really? There doesn't seem to be a map at all other than a dotted line marking my trail. No roads, trails, or landmarks show up, although caches do. (Not very helpful without roads, etc.) I am not picky about wanting a fancy map, but this non-map is useless. Also, once I'm in the map, how to I exit back to the menu?
  • Position updating: I may not be using it right, but there seems to be a problem with real-time updating of my position and distance to the cache. Sometimes I can wander 10 or 20 feet and nothing changes on the screen. This never happened with my Geomate (even when it had trouble getting an accurate signal). It is impossible to find ground zero when you have to guess whether the cache distance/direction on the screen is current.

I really, really appreciate any tips or help that anybody can offer. Thanks!

 

What thread told you how to load the pq?

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Garmin could make the Etrex 10 into a very effective unit by simply adding more memory to the unit. Them putting in 256mb of memory would probably only cost pennies per unit, but would allow the Etrex 10 to be a fully functional mapping unit. With my Etrex 10, I can put in about 3 counties worth of mapping but it still works, right down to point of interest searches along with 500 geocaches.

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Even upping the memory to 24mb would do wonders for the Etrex 10. It's like Garmin purposely dumbed down this unit to make you guy a Etrex 20 although like I said, putting in 24mb or 128mb of memory instead of the 9mb they give you now would make a huge difference with this unit. Can't cost them more then 50 cents for a 128mb flash memory vs a 10mb flash memory.

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