thewilkins Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 We are new to Geocaching, we've only being doing it for 3 weeks and have a question. We found a cache, 'Rothley Crags and Castle', yesterday and were enjoying the superb views, when my 10 year old son, Luke, said he had found another cache. He had been exploring the walls of the castle and pulled a loose stone from the wall and there it was. There was a log book inside saying it was posted in October last year by 'Josh & Harvey', and no further entries. I've checked and it does not appear on the website. Luke claims he is FTF, we are letting him have this but don't understand why the cache is not listed. Has anyone got any idea? Is there a special award for FTF of a non-existent cache that does actually exist, especially considering he is only 10 years old? Quote Link to comment
BOBBLES WORLD TOUR Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I'm new myself, but the following sentence provides a clue. "He had been exploring the walls of the castle and pulled a loose stone from the wall and there it was". I believe caches in walls are a big no-no. He may have a FTF but if he cannot log it then it's just pie in the sky. Others will provide better answers I'm sure. Quote Link to comment
+Simply Paul Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Hello, welcome and well done! There are other geocache listing sites, so it might be listed as a cache on one of those. I'm not sure what forum policy is on naming them so I'll leave that to others. Good hunting though Quote Link to comment
+Gitchee-Gummee Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 If that cache was intended to be listed on this site, it was probably rejected by the reviewer because of the placement. Must say though, I do find it disturbing about your 10-yr. old pulling stones from walls. Quote Link to comment
thewilkins Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 He may have a FTF but if he cannot log it then it's just pie in the sky. I'd agree if it was my wife or me making the claim, but Luke is only 10. So, he may not be an official FTF but I think I'll tell him it was a special secret cache and he has to be careful about bragging about it. Quote Link to comment
BOBBLES WORLD TOUR Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Hi Simple Paul. I didn't realise there were other geocaching sites. Why' that? Quote Link to comment
+Mad H@ter Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Hi Simple Paul. I didn't realise there were other geocaching sites. Why' that? Check out Wikipedia Quote Link to comment
BOBBLES WORLD TOUR Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Hi Simple Paul. I didn't realise there were other geocaching sites. Why' that? Check out Wikipedia I did. No wonder I went for this website. Although the Russian one is tempting. Mr Irish certainly gained a foothold. Does he still cache or is it just a business venture these days? Quote Link to comment
+mellers Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I must admit that my first thoughts were that this is a cache which someone thought would be a good idea to hide, and then which (for one reason or another) wasn't published. As to WHY it wasn't published, it is indeed possible that the reviewer thought that hiding a cache in a wall did rather contravene the rules about possible damage to other people's property... but it could have been delayed or forgotten for many other reasons. It's nice for Luke that he found it - it shows cunning caching skills and he will obviously be an asset to your team as you to continue to go caching. You might want to have a chat with him about how sometimes it can be a good idea to be very careful searching for caches in walls though (particularly dry stone walls). Usually a good cache won't be in that sort of location because searching for it can cause damage to the structure. It's not the hiding it which is a problem it's the 300 people looking for it which can loosen otherwise intact stones. Some caches like that do slip through the net, but I think reviewers do try to prevent them. Also unfortunately without a cache page on geocaching.com to log it against, there is no way of counting the find in your geocaching.com stats. That's not to say you can't count it between yourselves and congratulate him, but unless you find it listed on another caching site, somehow, it won't be recorded as an on-line find. Quote Link to comment
+Simply Paul Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 To be fair, caches are only restricted from being hidden in dry stone walls because these can be pulled apart by over-keen cachers. For a loose rock to hide a cache in the (otherwise solid) walls of a castle, and that rock to be so lose a 10 year-old can remove it, it's probably past being of structural support to the building. I've found caches behind lose bricks in walls, I've placed caches behind lose bricks in walls... Same difference? As for the cache, it's probably either been rejected from being listed on Geocaching.com becauce it was hidden too close to an existing one - which thewilkins found - or it's been listed elsewhere (see link above. Thanks John). An internet search for 'Josh & Harvey' might turn them up? Quote Link to comment
+Graculus Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I'm not seeing any other caches near this one that have been archived or never published. Quick check on two other listing sites shows no caches either. I did check logs on this cache to see whether it had been 'lost' and replaced and what was found was the original container but that doesn't seem to be the case either. So it could be a planned cache that never came to anything, possibly a 'holiday' cache and when the owner was told it couldn't be placed there they 're-used' the cache page for something else and abandoned the container. A mystery! Chris Graculus Volunteer UK Reviewer for geocaching.com UK Geocaching Information & Resources website www.follow-the-arrow.co.uk Geocaching.com Knowledge Books Quote Link to comment
+firestars Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Hi Simple Paul. I didn't realise there were other geocaching sites. Why' that? Check out Wikipedia I did. No wonder I went for this website. Although the Russian one is tempting. Mr Irish certainly gained a foothold. Does he still cache or is it just a business venture these days? Still waiting JoLuc - an explanation or an apology will do just fine. Quote Link to comment
+firestars Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Some possible suspects; http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=f7b647fe-64a4-4863-b35a-dc4f1b03e8ed Quote Link to comment
+Simply Paul Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Hi Simple Paul... I saw that log too Firestars. Maybe a link, maybe not. Anyway, thanks to Graculus for checking the situation. Seems a signed log for the moral FTF for young Luke, but nowhere obvious to log his find online. Quote Link to comment
team tisri Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 We are new to Geocaching, we've only being doing it for 3 weeks and have a question. We found a cache, 'Rothley Crags and Castle', yesterday and were enjoying the superb views, when my 10 year old son, Luke, said he had found another cache. He had been exploring the walls of the castle and pulled a loose stone from the wall and there it was. There was a log book inside saying it was posted in October last year by 'Josh & Harvey', and no further entries. I've checked and it does not appear on the website. Luke claims he is FTF, we are letting him have this but don't understand why the cache is not listed. Has anyone got any idea? Is there a special award for FTF of a non-existent cache that does actually exist, especially considering he is only 10 years old? Try contacting one of the reviewers with the coordinates to see if it's a known cache that's waiting publication. It could be an unpublished traditional, it could be the final to a multi or puzzle. Alternatively it could be listed on another site, or a cache that was hidden but then denied. If the wall was a dry stone wall the chances are it's been denied. A caching friend of mine found a cache last year, walking by a certain spot in London and figured it would be a good place for a cache so reached in and pulled out a cache. It turned out he was FTF, four days before it was published. Quote Link to comment
Neath Worthies Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 As the castle is owned by the National Trust they presumably have given permission for it to be placed so why not ask the local administrator? I wouldn't mention that your son has been dismantling the walls though as it is a Grade II listed building!! Quote Link to comment
BOBBLES WORLD TOUR Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Hi Simple Paul. I didn't realise there were other geocaching sites. Why' that? Check out Wikipedia I did. No wonder I went for this website. Although the Russian one is tempting. Mr Irish certainly gained a foothold. Does he still cache or is it just a business venture these days? Still waiting JoLuc - an explanation or an apology will do just fine. I hereby apologise with all my heart. Thanks for your patience. Quote Link to comment
thewilkins Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 Thanks for all the help and suggestions. I must stress, Luke was not dismantling a dry stone wall, he knows better than to ever do that. There was an hole in the otherwise very solid castle wall with a stone that had obviously been placed inside it. Quote Link to comment
+The Patrician Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I found a cache called "Bella's Box" a few months ago which doesn't seem to be listed anywhere. I had just found one called "Solly's Box" which leads me to think it might have been hidden by the same cachers. Quite a few others have found it too. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=bf984f26-c90a-490b-bffe-575fab1edee3&IID=2997c7e3-e1ec-402a-9ea3-2baf1a7aeedf Quote Link to comment
+The Patrician Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 (edited) Bella's Box Thanks for that. I thought I searched for archived caches at the time. I obviously didn't make a very good job of it. It looks as though it was originally down by the river, it's way up on the hillside now and some distance from its original position. Edited March 19, 2012 by The Patrician Quote Link to comment
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