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Source: CanadianOnlineGamers.com

 

Through several initiatives over the coming year, Crystal Dynamics and Geocaching.com are teaming up to create a series of unique location-based adventures that truly embody the spirit of TOMB RAIDER and Lara Croft™'s drive to become an explorer. To develop these adventures, Crystal Dynamics will be using both the traditional Geocaching.com treasure hunting format, as well as Groundspeak's latest photo-based adventure project, Geocaching Challenges.

 

"We are truly excited to be working on a series of exclusive gaming initiatives with Groundspeak," said Karl Stewart, global brand director for TOMB RAIDER and Crystal Dynamics. "As a longtime fan of Geocaching, it's the perfect fit for TOMB RAIDER and to be able to create a series of worldwide Geocaching treasure hunts for TOMB RAIDER is going to be a lot of fun."

 

"Many of us have been playing TOMB RAIDER since the first game launched in 1996, and we are excited that Geocaching.com is partnering with Crystal Dynamics on this project" said Jeremy Irish, CEO of Groundspeak. "TOMB RAIDER is all about exploration and discovery. It inspires the adventurer in all of us, much like geocaching does, and we are excited about the opportunities that this project presents for both geocachers and TOMB RAIDER fans worldwide."

 

I like the sound of this. I'd like to see Challenges get more development attention, but finding a way to get them more into the public eye with tangible goals and a specific theme (especially a well-known brand) is certainly a benefit. Very similar, I'd think, to the Ape Caches put out marketing Planet of the Apes.

 

Has there been an official announcement or any word from Groundspeak yet with more details?

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Cool. First I've heard of it. I'm optimistically intrigued.

 

(PS: This is HISTORIC!)

 

Actually, it's almost pre-historic in geocaching terms: after all, Tomb Raider predates geocaching by several years.

 

I'll be interested to see what comes out of this.

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I like to keep my commercialism and caching separated. As hot as I think Lara is I like her in her world not infused into other hobbies of mine. Also won't get me any more interested on challenges either.

 

how will this me anymore commercial than the sought-after Ape caches? :unsure:

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I like to keep my commercialism and caching separated. As hot as I think Lara is I like her in her world not infused into other hobbies of mine. Also won't get me any more interested on challenges either.

 

how will this me anymore commercial than the sought-after Ape caches? :unsure:

 

I thought that movie was awful. Those were not sought after caches for all of us. I was and contine to be indifferent to their existence or special icon. The now archived ape cave never once fell on my radar as something I had to do. The remaining one isn't one that I have any desire to do either.

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I like to keep my commercialism and caching separated. As hot as I think Lara is I like her in her world not infused into other hobbies of mine. Also won't get me any more interested on challenges either.

 

how will this me anymore commercial than the sought-after Ape caches? :unsure:

 

I thought that movie was awful. Those were not sought after caches for all of us. I was and contine to be indifferent to their existence or special icon. The now archived ape cave never once fell on my radar as something I had to do. The remaining one isn't one that I have any desire to do either.

 

Is that because it's located thousands of miles from where you live because from the recent trip report that was posted about finding it, it appears to be in a gorgeous location, has a really nice hike to get to it, and has a large container with a dry log. What's not to like?

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I like to keep my commercialism and caching separated. As hot as I think Lara is I like her in her world not infused into other hobbies of mine. Also won't get me any more interested on challenges either.

 

how will this me anymore commercial than the sought-after Ape caches? :unsure:

 

I thought that movie was awful. Those were not sought after caches for all of us. I was and contine to be indifferent to their existence or special icon. The now archived ape cave never once fell on my radar as something I had to do. The remaining one isn't one that I have any desire to do either.

 

Is that because it's located thousands of miles from where you live because from the recent trip report that was posted about finding it, it appears to be in a gorgeous location, has a really nice hike to get to it, and has a large container with a dry log. What's not to like?

 

Has nothing to do with the distance. There's other caches in absolutely gorgeous areas where the ape caches were/are. If I go those directions I would be looking at the myriad of other caches in the area. I wouldn't make a special trip just for the ape cache because I didn't like the movie and I see no reason to find a cache that as a corporate tie in for a movie I didn't really like.

 

But I also wouldn't make a special trip for Mingo either. Some of us do not deify the caches. I just prefer to not have caching become a commercial thing. I don't see this as a catalyst event but honestly, next time someone cries ground speak is so poor because not everyone spends money to be a premium member one must remember they are not doing stuff like this out of the goodness of their hearts.

 

I am allowed to not feel like that ape caches were that special and to be kind jaded and cynical about continuing commercialization of caching.

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Source: CanadianOnlineGamers.com

 

Through several initiatives over the coming year, Crystal Dynamics and Geocaching.com are teaming up to create a series of unique location-based adventures that truly embody the spirit of TOMB RAIDER and Lara Croft™'s drive to become an explorer. To develop these adventures, Crystal Dynamics will be using both the traditional Geocaching.com treasure hunting format, as well as Groundspeak's latest photo-based adventure project, Geocaching Challenges.

 

"We are truly excited to be working on a series of exclusive gaming initiatives with Groundspeak," said Karl Stewart, global brand director for TOMB RAIDER and Crystal Dynamics. "As a longtime fan of Geocaching, it's the perfect fit for TOMB RAIDER and to be able to create a series of worldwide Geocaching treasure hunts for TOMB RAIDER is going to be a lot of fun."

 

"Many of us have been playing TOMB RAIDER since the first game launched in 1996, and we are excited that Geocaching.com is partnering with Crystal Dynamics on this project" said Jeremy Irish, CEO of Groundspeak. "TOMB RAIDER is all about exploration and discovery. It inspires the adventurer in all of us, much like geocaching does, and we are excited about the opportunities that this project presents for both geocachers and TOMB RAIDER fans worldwide."

 

I like the sound of this. I'd like to see Challenges get more development attention, but finding a way to get them more into the public eye with tangible goals and a specific theme (especially a well-known brand) is certainly a benefit. Very similar, I'd think, to the Ape Caches put out marketing Planet of the Apes.

 

Has there been an official announcement or any word from Groundspeak yet with more details?

Challenges? pfft. no thanks already got that icon.

how about a new icon and not just for those that live close to HQ.

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Hey guys, it doesn't appear to be just Challenges:

 

will be using both the traditional Geocaching.com treasure hunting format, as well as Groundspeak's latest photo-based adventure project, Geocaching Challenges

 

Bolding is mine.

 

Right now this is coming across as more as marketing caching to gamers and less as creating a new twist for existing cachers. I understand that hamsters aren't cheap, but it would be cool if somebody would address the core participants (us) in some format other than a Twitter post- ie the weekly news letter, these forums, or the front page of the website. It's a teeny bit off-putting.

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...it would be cool if somebody would address the core participants (us)...

 

Groundspeak doesn't care about the people currently playing the game. If we're dissatisfied, there's nowhere to go, so we'll mutter our little dissatisfactions and continue playing.

 

There's no money in catering to their existing customers, especially when they're locked-in. They want to attract new people and the $30/year some of them will bring. Even people who never go "premium" can sometimes be enticed to buy high-margin goods from the store.

 

This is modern business. Enjoy the perma-beta-maps. :rolleyes:

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Here's the press release...

 

CRYSTAL DYNAMICS AND GEOCACHING.COM FORM EXCLUSIVE GAMING COLLABORATION FOR THE UPCOMING RELEASE OF TOMB RAIDER

 

REDWOOD CITY, CA (Jan. 11, 2012) - Crystal Dynamics™, a Square Enix® studio, announces today that it's working with Geocaching.com, a Groundspeak® project, as part of its campaign for the upcoming release of TOMB RAIDER®.

 

Geocaching represents a rapidly growing community of over five million participants seeking over 1.6 million active geocaches hidden globally in locations such as Times Square, the Berlin Wall, and Great Wall of China. Over the past 11 years, the team at Geocaching.com has been busy creating the world's largest location-based real-world treasure hunting experience. Millions of avid geocachers download Geocaching.com's mobile app or use a traditional GPS device to hunt for caches every month, documenting an average of over 180,000 geocaching experiences each day.

 

Through several initiatives over the coming year, Crystal Dynamics and Geocaching.com will team up to create a series of unique location-based adventures embodying the spirit of TOMB RAIDER and Lara Croft™'s drive to become an explorer. To develop these adventures, Crystal Dynamics will use both the traditional Geocaching.com treasure hunting format as well as Groundspeak's latest photo-based adventure project, Geocaching Challenges.

 

"We are truly excited to be working on a series of exclusive gaming initiatives with Groundspeak," said Karl Stewart, global brand director for TOMB RAIDER and Crystal Dynamics. "As a longtime fan of Geocaching, it's the perfect fit for TOMB RAIDER and to be able to create a series of worldwide Geocaching treasure hunts for TOMB RAIDER is going to be a lot of fun."

 

"Many of us have been playing TOMB RAIDER since the first game launched in 1996, and we are excited that Geocaching.com is partnering with Crystal Dynamics on this project" said Jeremy Irish, CEO of Groundspeak. "TOMB RAIDER is all about exploration and discovery. It inspires the adventurer in all of us, much like geocaching does, and we are excited about the opportunities that this project presents for both geocachers and TOMB RAIDER fans worldwide."

 

About Groundspeak

Groundspeak Inc. develops and publishes tools to enable the creation and sharing of unique location-based adventures in the real world. Groundspeak owns and operates Geocaching.com, the world's largest location-based outdoor recreation portal; Waymarking.com, a toolset for identifying interesting and useful locations; and Wherigo.com, a toolset for creating and sharing location-based multimedia adventures in the real world.

 

More information on Groundspeak Inc. can be found at http://Groundspeak.com.

 

About Square Enix, Inc.

Square Enix, Inc. develops, publishes, distributes and licenses SQUARE ENIX®, EIDOS® and TAITO® branded entertainment content throughout the Americas as part of the Square Enix Group. The Square Enix Group operates a global network of leading development studios and boasts a valuable portfolio of intellectual property, including: FINAL FANTASY®, which has sold over 100 million units worldwide; DRAGON QUEST®, which has sold over 59 million units worldwide; TOMB RAIDER®, which has sold over 35 million units worldwide; and the legendary SPACE INVADERS®. Square Enix, Inc. is a U.S.-based, wholly-owned subsidiary of Square Enix Holdings Co., Ltd.

 

More information on Square Enix, Inc. can be found at http://www.square-enix.com/na/.

 

TOMB RAIDER, CRYSTAL DYNAMICS, DRAGON QUEST, EIDOS, FINAL FANTASY, LARA CROFT, SPACE INVADERS, SQUARE ENIX, the SQUARE ENIX logo, and TAITO are registered trademarks or trademarks of the Square Enix Group. Groundspeak is a registered trademark of Groundspeak, Inc.

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Has nothing to do with the distance. There's other caches in absolutely gorgeous areas where the ape caches were/are. If I go those directions I would be looking at the myriad of other caches in the area. I wouldn't make a special trip just for the ape cache because I didn't like the movie and I see no reason to find a cache that as a corporate tie in for a movie I didn't really like.

And that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. But then, how many times have you gone on "geocaching trips"? Does the entirety of your geocaching lifetime involve simple queries at locations you are already at, and you've never gone out of your way to get a geocache? Is not simply the act of geocaching one of being attracted off your regular course to be either A) seeking out a hidden container in a place you'd likely never otherwise go or B ) seeking out a location you'd likely never otherwise go, for a container?

 

Regardless of the "theme" or "commercialization", anything that embodies getting people out and to new places - whether that park down the street you've never walked through or visiting the wilderness in a country you never thought you'd visit - is a Good Thing. (even though the vast majority of geocachers will never do the latter)

 

If Groundspeak can profit and grow and improve by partnering with brands, or "commercializing" (please dear God don't say "sell out"), without losing the spirit of what makes geocaching enticing for all people, ages and cultures, then Yes, Please Continue!

 

But I also wouldn't make a special trip for Mingo either. Some of us do not deify the caches.

Oooh, big words. ;) I don't think anyone deifies caches. But many who like the outdoors very much appreciate caches that highlight wonderfully amazing locations to visit. Some of these places would never be as known as they are were it not for geocaching. Just because you're not of the group that likes to take geocaching excursions, please don't denigrate those who do.

 

I just prefer to not have caching become a commercial thing.

Already is. There are ads on the site. There are partnerships. There are brands, products, clothing, loads of stuff you spend your hard earned money on in the name of geocaching. Hate to tell you, but it IS commercial.

 

I don't see this as a catalyst event but honestly, next time someone cries ground speak is so poor because not everyone spends money to be a premium member one must remember they are not doing stuff like this out of the goodness of their hearts.

Yep, and to make some profit and continue to improve and expand the website, with features that not everyone will use, but that will be used by everyone.

 

I am allowed to not feel like that ape caches were that special and to be kind jaded and cynical about continuing commercialization of caching.

Absolutely right. So feel free to ignore anything Tomb Raider related (except, I highly recommend GCWD13 next time you're in San Diego ;) )

 

I personally love the Ape caches, and am saddened that Seattle's is gone. One day, maybe, perhaps, I'll get to Brazil... I'd love to take in a piece of that fading element of geocaching.B)

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...I don't think anyone deifies caches.

 

When the Seattle APE cache was archived people cancelled plane tickets because (paraphrasing) "the trip was ruined". I'm not sure if that's straight up deification, but it's darn close. Attach a hard-to-find icon or a harder-than-average to find publish date (or date range) and the hands on the cache deification clock tick closer to midnight.

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...I don't think anyone deifies caches.

 

When the Seattle APE cache was archived people cancelled plane tickets because (paraphrasing) "the trip was ruined". I'm not sure if that's straight up deification, but it's darn close. Attach a hard-to-find icon or a harder-than-average to find publish date (or date range) and the hands on the cache deification clock tick closer to midnight.

That's far from deification. That's just anger at having plans ruined. It's like planning a vacation around visiting a landmark in Paris, and a week before the trip finding out that it's been demolished (the landmark, not Paris). Is Paris any less attractive to visit? Of course not; but the reason for the trip is no longer there. Cancel, and get back what funds you can. Go visit Paris another day.

It comes down to priorities.

Some people had Ape->money->Seattle. Some may well have had Ape->Seattle->money (and may not have canceled trip plans). Deification would be more like Ape->God->money->Seattle, or leaving a worthy sacrifice at the Ape cache, or planting a Church of the APE :P

 

So yeah, not quite deification. My only point was really just not to denigrate those who hold caches and their associated experiences in very high regard. "deification"s a loaded term ;)

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...I don't think anyone deifies caches.

 

When the Seattle APE cache was archived people cancelled plane tickets because (paraphrasing) "the trip was ruined". I'm not sure if that's straight up deification, but it's darn close. Attach a hard-to-find icon or a harder-than-average to find publish date (or date range) and the hands on the cache deification clock tick closer to midnight.

That's far from deification. That's just anger at having plans ruined. It's like planning a vacation around visiting a landmark in Paris, and a week before the trip finding out that it's been demolished (the landmark, not Paris). Is Paris any less attractive to visit? Of course not; but the reason for the trip is no longer there. Cancel, and get back what funds you can. Go visit Paris another day.

It comes down to priorities.

Some people had Ape->money->Seattle. Some may well have had Ape->Seattle->money (and may not have canceled trip plans). Deification would be more like Ape->God->money->Seattle, or leaving a worthy sacrifice at the Ape cache, or planting a Church of the APE :P

 

So yeah, not quite deification. My only point was really just not to denigrate those who hold caches and their associated experiences in very high regard. "deification"s a loaded term ;)

 

I'm going to have to disagree, and maybe this is better put into another topic, but in my mind putting a single cache on such a high pedestal does approach a degree of deification. I agree that if you're going to Disney World to ride the Thunder Mountain Railroad and when you get there it's closed that you have some right to be disappointed, but I think to turn that into "trip ruined" is a stretch because you're still in Disney World. Maybe there's a disconnect between myself and anybody that has the disposable income to make a single cache the Alpha and Omega of a road trip and justification for a plane ticket in the first place. I think that goes beyond just holding caches "in high regard".

 

Maybe there is a better word, something that doesn't come with so many trappings. Maybe... "monumentification". Yeah, actually, I think that's more apt.

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I agree that if you're going planning to go to Disney World to ride the Thunder Mountain Railroad and when you get a week before you go there it's closed that you have some right to be disappointed, but I think to turn that into "trip ruined" is not a stretch because you're still in already spent money and adjusted many other plans to travel to Disney World for Thunder Mountain Railroad.

Fixed it for you... ;)

 

If one was already in Seatte, I'd agree. But if you plan a trip around something, and that something is removed, then yes, the trip can easily be ruined IF the priority for the trip was that something, not simply to fact that you're going to where that something is. Priorities. They're different for everyone. Especially in the geocaching hobby. Yours doesn't put caches anywhere near the top - but if you enjoy geocaching in any way, they are above priorities others may value more.

 

Maybe there is a better word, something that doesn't come with so many trappings. Maybe... "monumentification". Yeah, actually, I think that's more apt.

That's better than 'deification', but you're still not getting that if you spend time and money for an experience surrounding a target, if the target is nullified, the plans are, effectively, ruined, unless another target validates retaining the plans.

 

Anyway, yes this is a slightly different topic.

The point is, and you've made it clear, you don't care for the Tomb Raider partnership... and that's perfectly fine :)

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That's far from deification. That's just anger at having plans ruined. It's like planning a vacation around visiting a landmark in Paris, and a week before the trip finding out that it's been demolished (the landmark, not Paris). Is Paris any less attractive to visit? Of course not; but the reason for the trip is no longer there. Cancel, and get back what funds you can. Go visit Paris another day.

 

So, you want to go up the Eiffel Tower, and make plans for a week long trip to Paris. A week before you, it's destroyed or deemed unsafe or whetever, and you will never be able to go up it.

 

So you cancel your trip, and maybe get some money back (and depending on how you book yoru travel, that number may be zero or may cost you money to make chnages). Because there's nothing else to see or do in Paris. Right.

 

And your statement about "Go visit Paris another day" doesn't make sense in the context of your example, since the landmark you are *had* to see is no longer there. Why not just keep your original plans?

 

(And there is no way I can equate an APE cache (which I have never done) to somethign like the Eiffel Tower, or Coliseum, or London Bridge, etc.)

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*sigh* people, I'm just saying - some people make plans with a target in mind. If that target is no longer achievable, then the plans can easily be considered ruined. Whether those are HUGE plans or TINY plans. Obviously the bigger the plans are, the worse it is. It happens.

To avoid the pain of when that happens, then of course - have a backup plan or target so it's not all wasted. To say that having the sentiment "my plans are ruined" is effectively 'deifying' or 'monumentifying' said target is going too far.

 

It's a subjective line, based on the person's priorities. If you think the person's priorities are messed up, that's something else. The fact is, in geocaching, there are people who plans lengthy excursions with the target to grab a geocache. Is it smart to plan for other items on the itinerary, in case there's an issue with the cache? Sure it is. But many prioritize a trip around the experience to grab a specific geocache. Let them play the game how they want to play the game. If they get upset because the plans are ruined, well, that's too bad then.

So many griefers in this forum :P

 

Ye don't like the geocache? Don't do it.

You think people are crazy for planning a week long trip for one geocache? Then get upset if it's no longer possible? "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"

You think the idea of Groundspeak partnering for commercial sponsorship and added value is stupid? Voice your opinion and move along.

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Getting back on subject... :rolleyes:

 

IMHO, any caches put out connected to Tomb Raider are violations of rules for cache placement. Add to that, Tomb Raider is in its 2nd reboot and hasn't sold well for years.

 

I agree with the poster that said they like their hobbies seperate.

 

But, Groundspeak will do what Groundspeak will do.

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I agree that if you're going planning to go to Disney World to ride the Thunder Mountain Railroad and when you get a week before you go there it's closed that you have some right to be disappointed, but I think to turn that into "trip ruined" is not a stretch because you're still in already spent money and adjusted many other plans to travel to Disney World for Thunder Mountain Railroad.

Fixed it for you... ;)

 

You fixed nothing. You've taken my quote and made it say something that I did not. That's rude.

 

If one was already in Seattle, I'd agree. But if you plan a trip around something, and that something is removed, then yes, the trip can easily be ruined IF the priority for the trip was that something, not simply to fact that you're going to where that something is. Priorities. They're different for everyone. Especially in the geocaching hobby. Yours doesn't put caches anywhere near the top - but if you enjoy geocaching in any way, they are above priorities others may value more.

 

Maybe there is a better word, something that doesn't come with so many trappings. Maybe... "monumentification". Yeah, actually, I think that's more apt.

That's better than 'deification', but you're still not getting that if you spend time and money for an experience surrounding a target, if the target is nullified, the plans are, effectively, ruined, unless another target validates retaining the plans.

 

Anyway, yes this is a slightly different topic.

The point is, and you've made it clear, you don't care for the Tomb Raider partnership... and that's perfectly fine :)

 

I think you're missing the point. I would not spend all my time and money for a single feature of a single location. I don't have that kind of free time and free money- hello disconnect. If you're already at the "this single object is the singular reason for me to spend serious money and time on" line of thinking and if you're willing to completely ignore all other aspects of an entire city/area/region/theme park and consider a trip irrevocably and utterly destroyed then there's no bridging the divide between my reality and yours. Some people were not finding other targets- they were cancelling plane tickets for crying out loud. For one (noteworthy) ammo can and an icon (and perhaps a Souvenir) in their stats.

 

Also, I've never said once that I don't care for the Tomb Raider partnership. If it brings interesting caches to the field, then I'm all for it.

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Getting back on subject... :rolleyes:

 

IMHO, any caches put out connected to Tomb Raider are violations of rules for cache placement. Add to that, Tomb Raider is in its 2nd reboot and hasn't sold well for years.

 

I agree with the poster that said they like their hobbies separate.

 

But, Groundspeak will do what Groundspeak will do.

 

They would not be a guideline violation if there's a partnership with Groundspeak and the game publisher. The guidelines allow for exceptions.

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You fixed nothing. You've taken my quote and made it say something that I did not. That's rude.

I fixed it to say what I was saying, because what you were saying was not in the context of what I was saying.

ie: A trip already in process (being in Disney World for the ride before knowing the ride is not available, and unable to cancel the trip itself) is not the same as a trip all set to go but not yet undertaken (having not yet left, with the ability still to cancel and retrieve anywhere from nothing to at least some of the expenses, without being forced to take the trip anyway)

Context matters.

What you said specifically, I don't disagree with. If someone went to Disney World specifically for a ride, only to find out on arrival that it wasn't there, it would be far more useful to "make the most of" the trip. But if someone hadn't yet left, priorities can still be shifted with the remaining option to cancel at a loss, which means a "ruined trip".

Context matters.

 

I think you're missing the point. I would not spend all my time and money for a single feature of a single location. I don't have that kind of free time and free money- hello disconnect. If you're already at the "this single object is the singular reason for me to spend serious money and time on" line of thinking and if you're willing to completely ignore all other aspects of an entire city/area/region/theme park and consider a trip irrevocably and utterly destroyed then there's no bridging the divide between my reality and yours.

Then leave it at that. Some people DO create trips specifically for one specific target, goal, or purpose. Understand that. If you don't think the trip is worth that target, then fine. Stop implying that others who do, who don't think like you, are crazy.

 

They would not be a guideline violation if there's a partnership with Groundspeak and the game publisher. The guidelines allow for exceptions.

Exactly.

And, the guidelines are for users and members, not for Groundspeak themselves. They wrote the guidelines - for geocachers who publish caches/etc via the website. They can publish whatever they want and do whatever they want with the system they built, including commercial partnerships.

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You fixed nothing. You've taken my quote and made it say something that I did not. That's rude.

I fixed it to say what I was saying, because what you were saying was not in the context of what I was saying.

ie: A trip already in process (being in Disney World for the ride before knowing the ride is not available, and unable to cancel the trip itself) is not the same as a trip all set to go but not yet undertaken (having not yet left, with the ability still to cancel and retrieve anywhere from nothing to at least some of the expenses, without being forced to take the trip anyway)

Context matters.

What you said specifically, I don't disagree with. If someone went to Disney World specifically for a ride, only to find out on arrival that it wasn't there, it would be far more useful to "make the most of" the trip. But if someone hadn't yet left, priorities can still be shifted with the remaining option to cancel at a loss, which means a "ruined trip".

Context matters.

 

I think you're missing the point. I would not spend all my time and money for a single feature of a single location. I don't have that kind of free time and free money- hello disconnect. If you're already at the "this single object is the singular reason for me to spend serious money and time on" line of thinking and if you're willing to completely ignore all other aspects of an entire city/area/region/theme park and consider a trip irrevocably and utterly destroyed then there's no bridging the divide between my reality and yours.

Then leave it at that. Some people DO create trips specifically for one specific target, goal, or purpose. Understand that. If you don't think the trip is worth that target, then fine. Stop implying that others who do, who don't think like you, are crazy.

 

Understand this: I'm not going argue with you about things that I've not said and while you exagerate and edit things that I have. Please stop implying that becuase my opinion is different than yours that I should shut up and "move on".

 

I'm sure everybody that has any interest in the developments of this thread would love it if you would open a new thread to debate the "elevation in status*" of certain caches debate to another thread.

 

 

*Or whatever the heck you're comfortable with calling it. I kind of like "feldercarbonation" myself.

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Understand this: I'm not going argue with you about things that I've not said (1) and while you exagerate and edit things that I have (2). Please stop implying that becuase my opinion is different than yours that I should shut up and "move on". (3)

Whoah there bucko.

1. I don't know what it is you've not said. I've only replied to what you did say; not putting words into your mouth, but only saying my own.

2. Making editorial edits to a quote is a very common forum habit to a] add a bit humour and b] highlight differences in text, albeit in a slightly cheeky way. Nothing was exaggerated, and it's not misrepresenting anything you said. (full disclosure: note that the (1) (2) and (3) were not part of your comment I quoted above - I added those in too, while leaving the "because" typo ;) )

3. I never told you to "shut up and move on" (nor did I imply that attitude). Chokecherry opened the door with comments on the Ape cache perceived value. I responded (note that Chokecherry hasn't even yet responded). For a couple of replies, there was an interesting exchange about the habits of enthusiastic geocachers. It went downhill from there when an opinion was insisted as a Truth. You are right - caching habits is a different subject. So start a different thread. "Move on" was a recommendation for civil discussion, especially in light of the straying topic and souring attitude. Share your opinion, which you're entitled to, and instead of debating opinions and escalating a thread to bitterness, move on. Not once did I imply "shut up and move on". I don't believe people should "shut up" in forums unless TPTB demand it. I do however hope that civility reigns.

 

Also, I've never said once that I don't care for the Tomb Raider partnership. If it brings interesting caches to the field, then I'm all for it.

 

Glad to hear it! Now, let's talk about that for a while... B)

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Whoah there bucko.

1. I don't know what it is you've not said. I've only replied to what you did say; not putting words into your mouth, but only saying my own.

 

Actually, you did put words in his mouth when you "fixed" his statement.

 

You could have just as easily countered his statement with your own without quoting his statement with edits made.

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Oh come on. Now you're reaching. No, if I were putting words into his mouth, or misrepresenting what he said, the changes wouldn't be bolded and struck out, let alone would there have been an explanation following. Move on.

 

Please talk about the thread topic, start a new thread, PM me, or don't. *sigh*

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Oh come on. Now you're reaching. No, if I were putting words into his mouth, or misrepresenting what he said, the changes wouldn't be bolded and struck out, let alone would there have been an explanation following. Move on.

 

Please talk about the thread topic, start a new thread, PM me, or don't. *sigh*

 

Not much to say. Tomb Raider series sucks. Challenges are not very interesting. Combining the two seems less than thrilling to me.

 

But others may like both or a combination of the 2.

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Cool.

 

I was never a big Tomb Raider fan myself, so I'm hoping they strike a good balance between the adventure of geocaching (for existing members) and entertaibment brand (for the non-cacher TR fan demographic).

If it's anywhere near as successful as the Planet of the Apes campaign, there could be a lasting Tomb Raider theme in the system for years after this (love it or hate it :P )

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Honestly I like the travel bug promotions better. The jeeps were great. The diabetes bugs were cool.

 

What's cool about those campaigns is almost everyone gets a chance to find one before they disappear into collector's hands. And then it's over and we can wait until the next cool campaign.

 

Not so much with the Ape caches. There were only a few and they were out of reach for most without making a special trip. Of course the scarcity was the attraction for many.

 

That's probably one reason behind combining this with challenges. That will make it accessible to more people. I just haven't seen any interesting challenges yet.

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...it would be cool if somebody would address the core participants (us)...

 

Groundspeak doesn't care about the people currently playing the game. If we're dissatisfied, there's nowhere to go, so we'll mutter our little dissatisfactions and continue playing.

 

There's no money in catering to their existing customers, especially when they're locked-in. They want to attract new people and the $30/year some of them will bring. Even people who never go "premium" can sometimes be enticed to buy high-margin goods from the store.

 

This is modern business. Enjoy the perma-beta-maps. :rolleyes:

 

Quoting/quote modification protocols aside, I think this is about right.

I really don't think Groundspeak doesn't care about current users, but I'm not convinced they care about us as much as many of us think we deserve.

But, yes it's a business, and if a site change (or lack thereof) causes me to quit at the same time five other people send in their $30, then it's a net gain for Groundspeak.

 

You, me, I, we, can either roll with the changes or go back to underwater basket-weaving.

 

'Dance with the one(s) that brung ya.' is such an antiquated concept.

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I like to keep my commercialism and caching separated. As hot as I think Lara is I like her in her world not infused into other hobbies of mine. Also won't get me any more interested on challenges either.

 

how will this me anymore commercial than the sought-after Ape caches? :unsure:

 

I thought that movie was awful. Those were not sought after caches for all of us. I was and contine to be indifferent to their existence or special icon. The now archived ape cave never once fell on my radar as something I had to do. The remaining one isn't one that I have any desire to do either.

 

i'm not surprised, Brasil is not exactly around the corner, at least not from where i am :lol:

 

sure they are "sought after", same as all the old caches...

 

very hard for me to imagine someone being so indifferent to "legends", but i guess the interest is sparked once you have been around for a while and got more finds under your belt

 

and after i posted i found this

 

 

Has nothing to do with the distance. There's other caches in absolutely gorgeous areas where the ape caches were/are. If I go those directions I would be looking at the myriad of other caches in the area. I wouldn't make a special trip just for the ape cache because I didn't like the movie and I see no reason to find a cache that as a corporate tie in for a movie I didn't really like.

 

But I also wouldn't make a special trip for Mingo either. Some of us do not deify the caches. I just prefer to not have caching become a commercial thing. I don't see this as a catalyst event but honestly, next time someone cries ground speak is so poor because not everyone spends money to be a premium member one must remember they are not doing stuff like this out of the goodness of their hearts.

 

I am allowed to not feel like that ape caches were that special and to be kind jaded and cynical about continuing commercialization of caching.

 

of course it has everything to do with distance...

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I like to keep my commercialism and caching separated. As hot as I think Lara is I like her in her world not infused into other hobbies of mine. Also won't get me any more interested on challenges either.

 

how will this me anymore commercial than the sought-after Ape caches? :unsure:

 

I thought that movie was awful. Those were not sought after caches for all of us. I was and contine to be indifferent to their existence or special icon. The now archived ape cave never once fell on my radar as something I had to do. The remaining one isn't one that I have any desire to do either.

 

i'm not surprised, Brasil is not exactly around the corner, at least not from where i am :lol:

 

sure they are "sought after", same as all the old caches...

 

very hard for me to imagine someone being so indifferent to "legends", but i guess the interest is sparked once you have been around for a while and got more finds under your belt

 

and after i posted i found this

 

 

Has nothing to do with the distance. There's other caches in absolutely gorgeous areas where the ape caches were/are. If I go those directions I would be looking at the myriad of other caches in the area. I wouldn't make a special trip just for the ape cache because I didn't like the movie and I see no reason to find a cache that as a corporate tie in for a movie I didn't really like.

 

But I also wouldn't make a special trip for Mingo either. Some of us do not deify the caches. I just prefer to not have caching become a commercial thing. I don't see this as a catalyst event but honestly, next time someone cries ground speak is so poor because not everyone spends money to be a premium member one must remember they are not doing stuff like this out of the goodness of their hearts.

 

I am allowed to not feel like that ape caches were that special and to be kind jaded and cynical about continuing commercialization of caching.

 

of course it has everything to do with distance...

 

I'm quite sure they are sought after by some people. Not everyone though. It has absolutely nothing to do with distance it has everything to do with lack of interest. Some of us frankly don't care about "legends" and I'm one of those people. Doesn't matter if they're next door or countries away I just don't care. Not everyone is like you.

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I like to keep my commercialism and caching separated. As hot as I think Lara is I like her in her world not infused into other hobbies of mine. Also won't get me any more interested on challenges either.

 

how will this me anymore commercial than the sought-after Ape caches? :unsure:

 

I thought that movie was awful. Those were not sought after caches for all of us. I was and contine to be indifferent to their existence or special icon. The now archived ape cave never once fell on my radar as something I had to do. The remaining one isn't one that I have any desire to do either.

 

i'm not surprised, Brasil is not exactly around the corner, at least not from where i am :lol:

 

sure they are "sought after", same as all the old caches...

 

very hard for me to imagine someone being so indifferent to "legends", but i guess the interest is sparked once you have been around for a while and got more finds under your belt

 

and after i posted i found this

 

 

Has nothing to do with the distance. There's other caches in absolutely gorgeous areas where the ape caches were/are. If I go those directions I would be looking at the myriad of other caches in the area. I wouldn't make a special trip just for the ape cache because I didn't like the movie and I see no reason to find a cache that as a corporate tie in for a movie I didn't really like.

 

But I also wouldn't make a special trip for Mingo either. Some of us do not deify the caches. I just prefer to not have caching become a commercial thing. I don't see this as a catalyst event but honestly, next time someone cries ground speak is so poor because not everyone spends money to be a premium member one must remember they are not doing stuff like this out of the goodness of their hearts.

 

I am allowed to not feel like that ape caches were that special and to be kind jaded and cynical about continuing commercialization of caching.

 

of course it has everything to do with distance...

 

I'm quite sure they are sought after by some people. Not everyone though. It has absolutely nothing to do with distance it has everything to do with lack of interest. Some of us frankly don't care about "legends" and I'm one of those people. Doesn't matter if they're next door or countries away I just don't care. Not everyone is like you.

 

When you say "I wouldn't make a special trip" that implies that distance *is* a factor. If the last APE cache was not in Brazil, but was instead just a few miles away from where you live, I have a hard time believing that you might consider going to find it, unless you have a very strong aversion to anything related to commercialization or won't go look for it just to prove the point that you don't care about legends.

 

If I happened to find the opportunity to travel to Brazil, even if the APE cache wasn't the last APE cache in the world I still would strongly consider going to look for it, simply because it sounds like it's in a very nice location, and offers a really nice hike to a extra large container.

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