+The HERB5 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Similar to ignore users caches... Quote Link to comment
+larryc43230 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Similar to ignore users caches... You can already do this with Pocket Queries: Just check "Are available to all users" and make sure "Are for members only" isn't checked. --Larry Quote Link to comment
+The HERB5 Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 You can already do this with Pocket Queries: Just check "Are available to all users" and make sure "Are for members only" isn't checked. Not if you're NOT a Member. I understand the reason for showing PM caches as the incentive to spend $30, that's business. But once that decision has been made I think their should be an option to hide PM caches in your Profile. Becoming a PM should be about wanting the Features and not about removing annoyances... Quote Link to comment
+thebruce0 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) To me the 'feature' is to be able to see those PM caches Nonetheless, 'annoyances' are also quite often used to encourage people to upgrade from free access to a costly system. It's worth the upgrade. Unless you have a beef with GS and don't want to give them your money. In which case, you probably won't get any sympathy for having to deal with 'annoyances' ETA: Unless you mean as a premium member, the ability to hide all premium member caches. Not sure why one would want that feature, but I suppose it's a legitimate request... Edited December 2, 2011 by thebruce0 Quote Link to comment
+GeoBain Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 You can already do this with Pocket Queries: Just check "Are available to all users" and make sure "Are for members only" isn't checked. Not if you're NOT a Member. I understand the reason for showing PM caches as the incentive to spend $30, that's business. But once that decision has been made I think their should be an option to hide PM caches in your Profile. Becoming a PM should be about wanting the Features and not about removing annoyances... As far as I am aware you can't ignore caches period unless you are a premium member. So if you want to ignore premium you gotta become one. Quote Link to comment
+The HERB5 Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 It all depends on what message GS wants to send out. Are Basic Members EXPECTED to go Premium or go away. If so, let the annoyances continue. If they ARE part of a Community then GS shouldn't actively frustrate that community... IMHO cachers should WANT to become PREMIUM for positive reasons. Quote Link to comment
+larryc43230 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) It all depends on what message GS wants to send out. Are Basic Members EXPECTED to go Premium or go away. If so, let the annoyances continue. If they ARE part of a Community then GS shouldn't actively frustrate that community... IMHO cachers should WANT to become PREMIUM for positive reasons. I know lots and lots of non-premium members. Not one of them has ever complained, at least to me, about premium caches being an annoyance, or a frustration. They simple pretend they don't exist, or go along with premium members when they look for them. I have a strong feeling this is pretty much a non-issue, even for the vast majority of non-premium members. I'll change my mind if and when hordes of non-premium members "vote" for this change. --Larry Edited to add that, at least in my area, premium caches comprise less than 5% of all active caches. There really aren't a whole lot of them to get upset about, even if one were so inclined. Edited December 2, 2011 by larryc43230 Quote Link to comment
+The HERB5 Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 Edited to add that, at least in my area, premium caches comprise less than 5% of all active caches. There really aren't a whole lot of them to get upset about, even if one were so inclined. Exactly, look at Northants and to a lesser extent Beds. I would estimate half the caches are MO. I feel too high a percentage could be detrimental to the sport/pastime... Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Thank you for your suggestion, but we don't feel that such a feature is beneficial to either Groundspeak or our premium members. Quote Link to comment
+The HERB5 Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 Are Basic Members EXPECTED to go Premium or go away. YES Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Are Basic Members EXPECTED to go Premium or go away. YES Not at all. But we are not going to bend over backwards to develop a feature for those who do not provide any support for the site, particularly when that feature has such a low demand. Quote Link to comment
+GeoBain Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Are Basic Members EXPECTED to go Premium or go away. YES Funny that there are lots of 5yr+ basic members still happily enjoying the site. Quote Link to comment
cezanne Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Unless you mean as a premium member, the ability to hide all premium member caches. Not sure why one would want that feature, but I suppose it's a legitimate request... I can think of a reason for premium members: It can save them from viewing a PM only cache by accident and thus ending up in the audit log. As a basic member, I have no use for the requested feature. Cezanne Quote Link to comment
+cerberus1 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 I can think of a reason for premium members: It can save them from viewing a PM only cache by accident and thus ending up in the audit log. Cezanne That's happened to me a number of times now. Mostly with notifications on the phone. It doesn't say PMO on the brief description and you find out when it's opened. So far, no one has questioned me on it (the audit log.) Quote Link to comment
+The Blorenges Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Edited to add that, at least in my area, premium caches comprise less than 5% of all active caches. There really aren't a whole lot of them to get upset about, even if one were so inclined. Exactly, look at Northants and to a lesser extent Beds. I would estimate half the caches are MO. I feel too high a percentage could be detrimental to the sport/pastime... There's a good reason why so many caches in Northamptonshire and Bedfordshire (UK) are PMO. This was done a while back to give them some protection from deliberate cache destruction which was happening 12 - 18 months ago. There is still some "odd" activity happening to some caches in the UK Midlands. I suspect cache owners in that area are not inclined to make their caches open-to-all yet. MrsB Quote Link to comment
+baloo&bd Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 There's a good reason why so many caches in Northamptonshire and Bedfordshire (UK) are PMO. This was done a while back to give them some protection from deliberate cache destruction which was happening 12 - 18 months ago. There is still some "odd" activity happening to some caches in the UK Midlands. I suspect cache owners in that area are not inclined to make their caches open-to-all yet. The security theater excuse. Unfortunately, it never works. Quote Link to comment
+The HERB5 Posted December 5, 2011 Author Share Posted December 5, 2011 Are Basic Members EXPECTED to go Premium or go away. YES Not at all. But we are not going to bend over backwards to develop a feature for those who do not provide any support for the site, particularly when that feature has such a low demand. I seem to remember in the past WE could give support by placing caches. Quote Link to comment
+The HERB5 Posted December 5, 2011 Author Share Posted December 5, 2011 Are Basic Members EXPECTED to go Premium or go away. YES Funny that there are lots of 5yr+ basic members still happily enjoying the site. Was that a personal dig, how constructive. I thought this forum was about how to make the experience MORE enjoyable, for ALL... PS I have been a PM in the past. Quote Link to comment
+The HERB5 Posted December 5, 2011 Author Share Posted December 5, 2011 There's a good reason why so many caches in Northamptonshire and Bedfordshire (UK) are PMO. This was done a while back to give them some protection from deliberate cache destruction which was happening 12 - 18 months ago. There is still some "odd" activity happening to some caches in the UK Midlands. I suspect cache owners in that area are not inclined to make their caches open-to-all yet. MrsB I know, I was one who had caches trashed... Just because I'm not PM doesn't mean I don't contribute... I feel the % of PM is defintely detrimental to the pastime. Not my problem tho' as I live and Work in Bucks. Quote Link to comment
+Delta68 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 That's happened to me a number of times now. Mostly with notifications on the phone. It doesn't say PMO on the brief description and you find out when it's opened. So far, no one has questioned me on it (the audit log.) Eh? Are you saying that you expect someone to ask you why you looked at their cache? I've never heard of that happening before! All our caches are PMO and don't care who looks at the cache pages and very rarely look at the audit log because it is of very little use. It shows who has looked at the actual cache page but doesn't show who has viewed the details via a PQ or on a phone etc I usually take ours off PMO once archived... Mark Quote Link to comment
+germanybert Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 I sure am glad the Super Dooper Deluxe Member caches don't show up for non Super Dooper Deluxe Members. Quote Link to comment
cezanne Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 That's happened to me a number of times now. Mostly with notifications on the phone. It doesn't say PMO on the brief description and you find out when it's opened. So far, no one has questioned me on it (the audit log.) Eh? Are you saying that you expect someone to ask you why you looked at their cache? I've never heard of that happening before! It has happened several times that cachers who have looked at a PMO cache, but have not found it, got contacted when the cache got muggled. Sometimes they are even accused of being responsible for the muggling. I also know cases where someone looked at a cache repeatedly and was asked why he/she was doing so. Personally, I have no issue with the PM-only option for caches, but one with audit logs. Cezanne Quote Link to comment
+GeoBain Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Are Basic Members EXPECTED to go Premium or go away. YES Funny that there are lots of 5yr+ basic members still happily enjoying the site. Was that a personal dig, how constructive. I thought this forum was about how to make the experience MORE enjoyable, for ALL... PS I have been a PM in the past. Personal dig? You stated that basic member are expected go premium or go away. The fact that there are a LOT of 5yr+ members still using the site proves that is not the case. Quote Link to comment
+BlueDeuce Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Similar to ignore users caches... I don't have a problem with the option. Heck, they do it for the off-topic forum. Quote Link to comment
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