The APE Cache in Brazil

November 20, 2011

I'm planning a trip down to Brazil during the last week in December to search for the cache. I'll probably be doing this alone; I fly for free, and most people I know can't just drop the kind of money it takes to fly round-trip to Brazil. Has anyone here found this cache lately, or even traveled to Brazil anytime in the recent past? I'm basically just looking for any information that can help me plan for this trip.

My original plan was to fly from JFK to either Rio or Sao Paulo. I'll be flying on American. I'm leaning towards Sao simply because the flight loads seem to be lighter than they are going into Rio. An even better idea would be to find my way down to MIA first... There are more options, plus there's a flight that leaves around noon that will get me in just before midnight, allowing me to get an early start the next morning. Everything out of JFK is overnight, and gets in no earlier than 10:30am.

I just want to know what it's like traveling in Brazil alone. If the people are friendly and welcoming to people who don't speak their language, or any recommendations on where to stay / what to do.

Basically, anything you can tell me about Brazil would be helpful! I already posted a note on the cache page and posted a thread in the Brazil section of the forums, but I like being able to tap into all the resources.

Thanks!

5.2k · November 20, 2011

This is really interesting to me. I've been wanting to go there for a while, but I've been unable to drum up any interest among my friends who could afford to go. However, when I looked about a year ago, flights were about $1,000 round trip and today they are closer to $1,500 :blink: While I can afford the former, the current prices are hard to justify. Maybe I can fit inside your luggage?

4.4k · November 20, 2011

TripAdvisor (www and com) is great for general travel info, and has good forums and hotel reviews. I'd caution you, though, to do the basic research first before diving in over there with questions; specific ones get good answers.

I contemplated hitting the APE cache when I was "in the area" (Argentina), but the last straw was the expensive visa, complete with very nosy questions on the application form. So I skipped Brazil. Depending on your citizenship, you may be facing an expensive visa too.

I've heard that Brazil in general has gotten quite expensive. I'm not the authority on this (having not been there), so you may want to check on that if your budget is tight.

I won't fly into Sao Paulo until I know they've fixed the runway - made it longer and/or drain better in rain. There was a bad accident a while ago.

Edited November 20, 2011 by Viajero Perdido

November 21, 2011

Feel free to email me using my profile link.

November 21, 2011

Most important, is it safe to assume you will be traveling on a US passport if you are going from JFK/MIA? Do you have a visa yet? If so I would start taking care of that now, as Brazil has a reciprocal visa process with the USA meaning it needs to be applied for some weeks in advance.

As for traveling solo in Brazil, I haven't myself but I've met several young 20-something female backpackers who have with nary an issue so it's certainly possible. I look forward to a trip report about what it's like/ how to find the APE cache solo tho!

3.8k · November 21, 2011

If I remember correctly the last finder was able to find a local that charged a small fee for transportation and escort to the cache. He would be worth the money as he knows where the cache is although you may get a bit more help locating it than you want. I would contact the last couple of finders for more information. I think one of them even has contact information.

November 22, 2011

Hmm, the company I work for is opening up a new plant in Brazil. It appears to be about 3.5 hours from this cache. Maybe I should be more open to the idea of traveling there.

5.7k · November 22, 2011

Did you try contacting the cache owner, JoGPS?

November 22, 2011

I'm contemplating doing this at the end of February...

3.6k · November 22, 2011

I'm contemplating doing this at the end of February...

Try contacting the last REAL finder of the cache. I haven't checked lately but there has been some issues with fake loggings.

Oh and when you go take lots of pictures, since we can't go we can through you. And I'm not saying of just the cache. But you may want to of the cache and the logbook with your signature just in case someone calls you on it. You don't have to post it.

Hope you have fun, I heard it is really a jungle out there so you really want to know what the previous finders experienced.

November 23, 2011

I'm going to get started on the prepwork sometime this week, I've got a lot on my plate. From what I gathered, a tourist visa will run about $140. Doesn't seem like too difficult of a task, I just go to the local Brazilian Consulate and fill out an application. They say it takes 5 business days to process. The only part of that I'm not crazy about it that they hold onto your passport. Sometimes I need it to get to / from work, but if I need to, I can work around.

The various fees are not a big deal for me, since I'm paying nothing for airfare.

A few of the recent finders have contacted me already, but I've just been too busy to answer I'm pretty excited about it, I'm really hoping I can make it work! It'll make for a great story!

14k · November 23, 2011

I'm going to get started on the prepwork sometime this week, I've got a lot on my plate. From what I gathered, a tourist visa will run about $140. Doesn't seem like too difficult of a task, I just go to the local Brazilian Consulate and fill out an application. They say it takes 5 business days to process. The only part of that I'm not crazy about it that they hold onto your passport. Sometimes I need it to get to / from work, but if I need to, I can work around.

That's no different than obtaining a visa for many other countries. I've got visas in my passport for Zambia, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia, Tanzania, and China. The Zimbabwe visa was obtained at the border and was only a day visa, and because I'm a U.S. citizen, I was able to obtain the Ethiopia visa at the airport upon my arrival but the others required sending my passport to a visa service (there are quite a few of them one can find online) that does all the legwork. I've used bcvisa (for China) and CIBT for the others. They charge an additional fee but if you don't live near the consulate for the country you're visiting it's a good way to go. The travel.state.gov has all the information that U.S. citizens might need for traveling to other countries including passport/visa requirements, immunization requirements, and safety issues. It's a good resource.

November 23, 2011

I'll take a look at that site. I've never been out of the country (except to Canada, the Bahamas, and a handful of islands in the Caribbean) so this is a whole new experience for me. Hopefully it will motivate me to travel more and really take advantage of using my flight benefits... Instead of just using them to go to Vegas all the time!

14k · November 23, 2011

I'll take a look at that site. I've never been out of the country (except to Canada, the Bahamas, and a handful of islands in the Caribbean) so this is a whole new experience for me. Hopefully it will motivate me to travel more and really take advantage of using my flight benefits... Instead of just using them to go to Vegas all the time!

I know that I would. From your first post on this it looked like you were looking at flights that minimized the time you'd spend traveling. When I travel, especially if it's going to be a long trip I often look for itineraries which might actually take longer but have me staying in a layover city long enough to go out and find a few caches. It looks like America flies direct from Miami/JFK/Dallas to San Paulo or Rio so that might not be an option for this trip but you might be able to use your flight benefits to come up with a creative itinerary in the future.

November 23, 2011

I'll take a look at that site. I've never been out of the country (except to Canada, the Bahamas, and a handful of islands in the Caribbean) so this is a whole new experience for me. Hopefully it will motivate me to travel more and really take advantage of using my flight benefits... Instead of just using them to go to Vegas all the time!

I know that I would. From your first post on this it looked like you were looking at flights that minimized the time you'd spend traveling. When I travel, especially if it's going to be a long trip I often look for itineraries which might actually take longer but have me staying in a layover city long enough to go out and find a few caches. It looks like America flies direct from Miami/JFK/Dallas to San Paulo or Rio so that might not be an option for this trip but you might be able to use your flight benefits to come up with a creative itinerary in the future.

Haha you can tell who the resident travelers are, I do this too! Picked a connection in Newark on my way home for Christmas because all things being even I oughta have enough time to pick up a cache there, and it will be my first in NJ if all goes well.

I didn't realize the Brazil consulate was right there in which case yeah, 5 days is fine- the several week thing is for most of us who live a bit further. Tho yea for future record when you are applying to a "visa in advance" country they take your passport for a few days as standard procedure, though there aren't too many places where one needs to apply in advance like that these days (notable other exceptions are Russia, China, and India). Most visas one can just get at the border in a glorified money shakedown.

And enjoy Brazil! Really wanna make it there sometime...

1.3k · November 24, 2011

I'm sure my post will be met with some disdain, but I just don't get the allure of the Ape Caches. I would totally be into a visit to Brazil, but going for the sake of finding one ammo can. Please explain.

November 24, 2011

I'm sure my post will be met with some disdain, but I just don't get the allure of the Ape Caches. I would totally be into a visit to Brazil, but going for the sake of finding one ammo can. Please explain.

I will explain, but I'm about to walk out the door for work. Give me a few hours.

November 24, 2011

Most important, is it safe to assume you will be traveling on a US passport if you are going from JFK/MIA? Do you have a visa yet? If so I would start taking care of that now, as Brazil has a reciprocal visa process with the USA meaning it needs to be applied for some weeks in advance.

As for traveling solo in Brazil, I haven't myself but I've met several young 20-something female backpackers who have with nary an issue so it's certainly possible. I look forward to a trip report about what it's like/ how to find the APE cache solo tho!

Just what I was going to say. if you want to go for less money, go a few weeks AFTER carnival. I've priced it out every other month for the last 2 years. Prices get higher and higher and then drop off two weeks after the party is over.

Edit: also take a photo of the log book so we can delete all the bogus finds.

Edited November 24, 2011 by releasethedogs

November 24, 2011

I'm sure my post will be met with some disdain, but I just don't get the allure of the Ape Caches. I would totally be into a visit to Brazil, but going for the sake of finding one ammo can. Please explain.

Disdain, well maybe a little bit. Why do you cache at all? It is for the chase, the thrill of victory (find), even the agony of defeat (DNF). Your profile says something about FTF's. Why be the FTF? The cache will still be there tomorrow. The look for one ammo can in Brazil is probably more sane than my search, and so far over 30 other people, for one ammo can after about 5 months, over 20,000 road miles, and having to find 254 caches in 254 different county's in Texas. Its "for the love of the game".

November 24, 2011

Isn't part of a cache's job to get people to visit places they've never been? Sure, everyone says they want to travel the world (including me) but honestly, if not for this cache, I probably wouldn't go. Not that I'd NEVER get to Brazil, but this cache definitely motivated me to get up off my a** and go somewhere new.

So while you're out getting that shiny new parking lot cache, I'll be samba dancing through the rainforest!

But seriously, if not a cache, then what would motivate you to go down there tomorrow? The beaches? Culture? The jungle? The prostitutes? All that stuff is down there right now, so what are you waiting for? My motivator happened to be this cache. It's a special cache to a lot of people, it's the only APE cache left. And I want to find it. Just like you want to find an ammo can in your local park. I'm just willing to travel a bit farther. Why? Because I can.

For only 5 days off, I can't take a nice vacation. To me, taking a few days to find a legendary cache in a forest in Brazil is a better than spending those days in NY... Where it'll be cold and miserable.

But to each their own. A cache is what finally got me off the couch and onto a plane to Brazil. I think any reason is a good enough reason to travel and see someplace new.

November 24, 2011

Edit: I'm typing all this from my phone while sitting in the cockpit, so I can't insert smileys to show where I was being humorous!

November 25, 2011

I didn't realize the Brazil consulate was right there in which case yeah, 5 days is fine- the several week thing is for most of us who live a bit further.

Yup, it's right there in Manhattan! I'm gonna stop by next time I'm home.

I've finally gotten around to the people who have reached out to me to offer advice. I'm excited to hear what they have to say

1.3k · November 25, 2011

I'm sure my post will be met with some disdain, but I just don't get the allure of the Ape Caches. I would totally be into a visit to Brazil, but going for the sake of finding one ammo can. Please explain.

Why do you cache at all?

I suspect for the same reasons you listed plus the added exercise and the companionship with friends.

Your profile says something about FTF's. Why be the FTF? The cache will still be there tomorrow.
Of course, the cache will be there tomorrow. I certainly wouldn't travel to another continent for an FTF.

I get that it's a special cache because of the movie tie-in, the special icon, the location, etc. I just wouldn't make such grand travel plans for only that cache. I don't even know if I was in Brazil if I would consider making the trek. I guess I'd have to be fairly close with alot of extra time on my hands. Either way, I'm sure it's a fun adventure.

Edited November 25, 2011 by TerraViators

November 25, 2011

TerraVisitors, to explain I guess I'm going to quote the poem on my passport holder cover, which also has a sailor on it for context-

He knows not where he's going

For the ocean will decide,

It's not the destination

It's the glory of the ride...

I'm sure there equally awesome and random caches stashed in the Brazilian jungle, it's just this one certainly has a bit of notoriety and it will surely be a good adventure, so if the OP can go anywhere for vacation why not do it? Also as someone who's gone on rather far-flung adventures that were inspired by geocaches along the way even if the cache is the original idea/intent to go somewhere think of it more as the seed that springs the rest of the adventure. The cache will be a nice one to bag, but along the way I'm sure there are lovely people who will be met and delicious food to be consumed and all the other things people do while traveling.

As I said, it's not about the destination of finding the cache, it's about getting there. (Though if I'm not getting the OP's sentiments down feel free to contradict me!)

14k · November 25, 2011

I'll take a look at that site. I've never been out of the country (except to Canada, the Bahamas, and a handful of islands in the Caribbean) so this is a whole new experience for me. Hopefully it will motivate me to travel more and really take advantage of using my flight benefits... Instead of just using them to go to Vegas all the time!

I know that I would. From your first post on this it looked like you were looking at flights that minimized the time you'd spend traveling. When I travel, especially if it's going to be a long trip I often look for itineraries which might actually take longer but have me staying in a layover city long enough to go out and find a few caches. It looks like America flies direct from Miami/JFK/Dallas to San Paulo or Rio so that might not be an option for this trip but you might be able to use your flight benefits to come up with a creative itinerary in the future.

Haha you can tell who the resident travelers are, I do this too! Picked a connection in Newark on my way home for Christmas because all things being even I oughta have enough time to pick up a cache there, and it will be my first in NJ if all goes well.

Just don't judge NJ by what you see in Newark. There are some wonderful places to see (and go caching) in that State

A couple of years ago I was asked to speak at a conference in Champaign, Ill. I discovered that a flight from my local airport to Chamaign (via Detroit) was about the same as the price of a flight to Indianapolis (including the cost of a rental car). I flew to Indianapolis then drove the hour or so to Champaign and was able to add both Illinois and Indiana to the list of States in which I've found a cache.

Last year I was planning my itinerary for a conference in Montpellier. Many of the flight went through Paris. I had already found a cache in France and expected to find a few more while in Montpellier. I ended up booking flights that took me through Frankfurt (where I found the virt located in the airport) to Marseille. Then I took the train to Montpellier, attended the conference, then got on another train to Barcelona where I spent two nights before flying home. I paid for the train ride from MOntpellier to Barcelona and the hotel room there out of pocket but the remaining expenses were actually less than if I would have flown through Paris. I ended up finding caches in three countries (two new ones) instead of one.

A few weeks ago I went to Rome to work for a week. Flights from the U.S. directly to Rome are generally pretty expensive and I could get a cheaper flight if I flew through Brussels. I spent an extra night there on the way home and was able to see a little of the city and add Belgium to the list of countries in which I've found a cache.

I didn't realize the Brazil consulate was right there in which case yeah, 5 days is fine- the several week thing is for most of us who live a bit further. Tho yea for future record when you are applying to a "visa in advance" country they take your passport for a few days as standard procedure, though there aren't too many places where one needs to apply in advance like that these days (notable other exceptions are Russia, China, and India). Most visas one can just get at the border in a glorified money shakedown.

And enjoy Brazil! Really wanna make it there sometime...

Even when you *can* get a visa at the border (or within the airport) sometimes it's better to get it all done before departing. When I went to Ethiopia I was able to get my visa at the airport but a guy from Peru that I was going to be working with for the week *assumed* he could get one upon arrival with just his passport (he was wrong). I was flying with a couple of people from an U.N. agency that were able to contact the local U.N. office and facilitate an official U.N. invitation letter that was enough to get my Peruvian friend into the country for a week. What I noticed was that although eventually he was able to into the country, the immigration officers were in no hurry to expedite the process. If we hadn't spent an additional 3 hours in the airport waiting for my Peruvian friend to clear immigration I might have been able to get to where I was staying then hire a cab to find the only cache within 200 miles and one of only four in the entire country at the time.

2.3k · November 25, 2011

Haven't travelled a ton but have learned that if possible I will always get a visa before getting to a country if possible. Having been held up at borders a couple very uncomfortable times has made realize how nice that is.

1.3k · November 27, 2011

TerraVisitors, to explain I guess I'm going to quote the poem on my passport holder cover, which also has a sailor on it for context-

He knows not where he's going

For the ocean will decide,

It's not the destination

It's the glory of the ride...

I'm sure there equally awesome and random caches stashed in the Brazilian jungle, it's just this one certainly has a bit of notoriety and it will surely be a good adventure, so if the OP can go anywhere for vacation why not do it? Also as someone who's gone on rather far-flung adventures that were inspired by geocaches along the way even if the cache is the original idea/intent to go somewhere think of it more as the seed that springs the rest of the adventure. The cache will be a nice one to bag, but along the way I'm sure there are lovely people who will be met and delicious food to be consumed and all the other things people do while traveling.

As I said, it's not about the destination of finding the cache, it's about getting there. (Though if I'm not getting the OP's sentiments down feel free to contradict me!)

Haha! I laughed when I saw you called me TerraVisitors...I think that would be a funny geonic. Thanks for your feedback, also.

November 27, 2011

Haven't travelled a ton but have learned that if possible I will always get a visa before getting to a country if possible. Having been held up at borders a couple very uncomfortable times has made realize how nice that is.

Ah, well I'm lucky as most of my travels thus far were during "gap year" type adventures between degrees- ie taking of for a few months to travel, though I put year in quote as my biggest jaunt was nowhere near a year long!. In which part of the adventure was not planning too far in advance of course! (Only one that I could get at the border that I applied for earlier was a Cambodia one while spending a few days in Bangkok, as the border there was notorious for asking for bribes to fill them.) And the funny thing is after travels on so many continents the only place I've ever had hassles worth mentioning is the Rainbow Bridge at Niagara Falls between the USA and Canada- passport was stolen there at age 2, once with a friend who forgot IDs for his kids, once with a friend whose passport had expired, and once pulled over because I was with a friend who'd been with someone else who had been pulled over. And after all that I don't even have a stamp to prove it. <_<

NYPaddleCacher, I've actually been to NJ before as I had a cousin who lived there, but that was in my pre-caching days. True for far too many things, I still kick myself that there was a cache a few hundred feet from my dorm when I studied in New Zealand for example...

TerraViators, I'm glad to have done such an entertaining typo indeed! :lol:

2.3k · November 27, 2011

I have a couple issues in my past that at times rear their heads at border crossings which is why I address it ahead of time.

November 27, 2011

I was in Brazil for a few months this year (hubby's work). We travel around the world for his work and have been doing it for 5+ years. I actually LEARNED about geocaching while in brazil. I didn't know about APE caches yet but it would have been great since I was right there a few times! They people are very friendly, its over priced all year long, and HORRIBLY overpriced during Carnival. The visa for a tourist is easy to get-only takes about a week. They raised the price of the visas for USA citizens when one of their big wigs had to pay that amount to get into the USA...they thought it was way to high. so now they charge us the same amount

Make sure to get some Acai ice cream, if you drink try a Caiprinha, the Churrasco is a MUST (bbq and its amazing!) and don't rule out chicken hearts because it sounds bad--they are yummy as well! Make sure the taxi puts on its meter or get out of the car if its "broke"...always ask the hotel what it should cost to take you somewhere...and have a map or GPS out to let the driver know your paying attention to where your going...many will try to scam you. But thats very common in none western countries. Um I could tell you a ton...what else do you want to know?

RIO is AMAZING and one of my favorite places I have been!

And I agree with Andromeda321 the biggest hassles/visa/entry issues I have ever encountered while traveling---from Canada! And I have been to 35ish countries. I actually never got IN to canada.

10.2k · November 27, 2011

I'll take a look at that site. I've never been out of the country (except to Canada, the Bahamas, and a handful of islands in the Caribbean) so this is a whole new experience for me. Hopefully it will motivate me to travel more and really take advantage of using my flight benefits... Instead of just using them to go to Vegas all the time!

I know that I would. From your first post on this it looked like you were looking at flights that minimized the time you'd spend traveling. When I travel, especially if it's going to be a long trip I often look for itineraries which might actually take longer but have me staying in a layover city long enough to go out and find a few caches. It looks like America flies direct from Miami/JFK/Dallas to San Paulo or Rio so that might not be an option for this trip but you might be able to use your flight benefits to come up with a creative itinerary in the future.

Haha you can tell who the resident travelers are, I do this too! Picked a connection in Newark on my way home for Christmas because all things being even I oughta have enough time to pick up a cache there, and it will be my first in NJ if all goes well.

Just don't judge NJ by what you see in Newark. There are some wonderful places to see (and go caching) in that State

I see there have been several caches placed in the vicinity of the Airport for visitors to Newark. Very nice, as there was a time when Newark and adjoining Elizabeth were probably the most cache deficient area on the whole East Coast.

OBIGC

(Out before I get chastised).

7.9k · November 28, 2011

I have a couple issues in my past that at times rear their heads at border crossings which is why I address it ahead of time.

I presume that's something other than a bad credit score?

2.3k · November 28, 2011

I have a couple issues in my past that at times rear their heads at border crossings which is why I address it ahead of time.

I presume that's something other than a bad credit score?

More like a bad marriage and an immigration fiasco.

November 28, 2011

It looks like this cache is in danger of being archived.

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GCC67

Of course, this hits the fan the night before I'm going to the Consulate to apply for my Visa. This had better still be around in a month!

November 28, 2011

It looks like this cache is in danger of being archived.

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GCC67

Of course, this hits the fan the night before I'm going to the Consulate to apply for my Visa. This had better still be around in a month!

Hey Mitragorz, don't be scaried!!!

IF there are problems with the changes we made, the guide mr. Luis, can place the cache back quickly. And if he couldn't, I can go back to Intervales too.

As I said, the cache WILL NOT BE ARCHIVED!!!

And if you have any problem while you're in Brazil, fel free to contact me ok!

Edited November 28, 2011 by Mr_Gehringer

November 28, 2011

Whew!

I've had a lot of people offer me help, but I haven't had time to contact some of them. I will, though, I've just been overwhelmed with work. I'll definitely send you an email, though. Maybe you'd like to take another trip to the cache! :laughing:

3.4k · November 28, 2011

The dreams of the many outweigh the poo-poos of the few.

November 28, 2011

I'm sure my post will be met with some disdain, but I just don't get the allure of the Ape Caches. I would totally be into a visit to Brazil, but going for the sake of finding one ammo can. Please explain.

Two Words- Bragging Rights

To have a story to tell about finding the Brazil APE Cache to my geocaching buddies would be priceless.

2.3k · November 28, 2011

There appear to be other caches in Brazil even if it was archived. I'm sure your trip there will still involve a degree of caching.

2.6k · November 28, 2011

It looks like this cache is in danger of being archived.

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GCC67

Of course, this hits the fan the night before I'm going to the Consulate to apply for my Visa. This had better still be around in a month!

That's a bummer. Looks like it was mugged, and there's nothing at the posted location anymore. As this sort of thing has happened to the other ones, it isn't much of a surprise.

November 28, 2011

The cache is far from muggled. There is a group of local geocachers, who are dedicated to keep this cache alive and safe. We should be glad that the Brazilian geocachers are willing to do the maintenance as the CO lives far from the cache and can't do the maintenance himself.

Every action that is done with this cache, is done only to keep it safe and not been archieved or muggled. Reading the older logs, can be realized that the location has been changed before, probably because of safety issues. As the logs tell, the new location was not the best possible and was set in a hurry. As this cache was not originally ment to be a 'park and grab', it would be good to find a spot which is more similar to the original spot. (if it is not possible to place it back to the original spot).

The container is in a good shape and would last still another ten years in a jungle. The logbook was a bit humid but after maintenance it is also in a perfect shape.

I don't see any reason, why this cache should be archieved.

2.6k · November 28, 2011

That may be but it's not their cache to make those calls, the cach page should be updated and if that doesn't happen by the actual cache owed, it should be archived. Finders should move caches without prior permission because they think they have a better hiding spot. Caches that aren't maintained, including the cache page get archived and locked. Maybe the locals should look into adopting the cache, then they could update the page and preform the maintenance the cache needs.

Look, I didnt write the guidelines, and I don't enforce them on others. But don't be suppressed when this one is archived.

November 28, 2011

As I have understood, nothing has been done without the request of the CO. Due to the difficulties for the CO for going to the cache every time needed, he has asked for the local geocachers to help.

If there will be any changes of the location, I guess the CO will report about it and post the new coordinates. I am sure that the CO wants this cache to survive and if moving it is the action needed to avoid muggling, it will be done.

November 28, 2011

Caches that aren't maintained, including the cache page get archived and locked. Maybe the locals should look into adopting the cache, then they could update the page and preform the maintenance the cache needs.

I don't know how this could be done.

But for sure it wouldn't be a bad idea that the owner could visit his cache every now and then and do the maintenance needed. Maybe the owner is not willing to give his cache to others, for whatever reasons.

Let's see what will be the owner's wish for the next location, since he is not happy with the current location. Maybe he has a better idea.

2.3k · November 28, 2011

I was under the impression the ape caches couldn't be adopted

14k · November 28, 2011

Caches that aren't maintained, including the cache page get archived and locked. Maybe the locals should look into adopting the cache, then they could update the page and preform the maintenance the cache needs.

I don't know how this could be done.

But for sure it wouldn't be a bad idea that the owner could visit his cache every now and then and do the maintenance needed. Maybe the owner is not willing to give his cache to others, for whatever reasons.

Let's see what will be the owner's wish for the next location, since he is not happy with the current location. Maybe he has a better idea.

I found it interesting that one of the reasons cited for the Needs Maintenance log that was posted was "If it has indeed been moved closer to where those in charge of the park can profit from it, then that's a bad thing. This was not what it was intended to be used for." And a previous note log states: "The way I read this it's being used for commercial gain being advertized as only remaining ape cache."

So, someone explain to me why this is different from all those that praise the E.T. power trail because of the economic impact that the trail is creating for the Little Ale' Inn in Rachel, NV.

I also don't understand why the CO (JoGPS) posted an Owner Maintenance log (today) with new coordinates for the container but didn't post an Update Coordinates log (or have the reviewer change them if it's beyond the allowed distance).

November 28, 2011

I was under the impression the ape caches couldn't be adopted

Since the FOX studios were no longer involved maintaining the APE-caches, this cache was already adopted from the original owner.

It would be logical that this cache was owned by someone who is capable of maintaining it.

November 28, 2011

I also don't understand why the CO (JoGPS) posted an Owner Maintenance log (today) with new coordinates for the container but didn't post an Update Coordinates log (or have the reviewer change them if it's beyond the allowed distance).

Maybe he didn't like the coordinates...?

14k · November 28, 2011

I was under the impression the ape caches couldn't be adopted

Since the FOX studios were no longer involved maintaining the APE-caches, this cache was already adopted from the original owner.

It would be logical that this cache was owned by someone who is capable of maintaining it.

Perhaps, but the guidelines don't require that a cache owner must be able to maintain it themselves, as long as a viable maintenance plan exists. As the cache has been found a few times in the last month it doesn't look to me that it's not being maintained. In fact, it looks like Mr_Gehringer has visited it a few times and has had concerns about the location being too visible, and someone else (who it appears has never visited the location) posted a NM because it's not in it's "original location".

November 28, 2011

I was under the impression the ape caches couldn't be adopted

Since the FOX studios were no longer involved maintaining the APE-caches, this cache was already adopted from the original owner.

It would be logical that this cache was owned by someone who is capable of maintaining it.

Perhaps, but the guidelines don't require that a cache owner must be able to maintain it themselves, as long as a viable maintenance plan exists. As the cache has been found a few times in the last month it doesn't look to me that it's not being maintained. In fact, it looks like Mr_Gehringer has visited it a few times and has had concerns about the location being too visible, and someone else (who it appears has never visited the location) posted a NM because it's not in it's "original location".

There is no current maintenance plan. The CO is totally dependent of the help of the locals. Many local (and not local, including me) geocachers are very concerned about the cache, the hide and the maintenance. Most people want that this cache would last long, well hidden and well maintained.

At the moment, the cache is alive and well, in a good spot and fun to find. I sincerely hope it would stay this way.

The APE Cache in Brazil

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