behind the fence with permission?

[+Penlowe]

Ok here's the scenario: There is a special event coming up for a national non-profit organization. Said organization has several acres of explorable property here in my city with nice parking & so forth nearby. I've been in contact with executives discussing possibly placing a cache on their property.

 

If I can put the cache on the wild portion of the property, it can be a LARGE. I really, really, really want to make this a large cache. If I put it in/ near/ around the parking area it can only be a micro.

 

Here's the problem: the wild area is behind a fence. Gates to the wild area are open roughly 8AM to 9PM Monday through Saturday tenish to fourish Sundays, but locked and watched by security otherwise.

Is that enough window to place a cache in said area?

Yes, I intend for it to be a Premium cache.

Yes, it's a area where plenty of people go and the full staff of said organization will be aware of the caches' location.

 

Has anyone ever done a 'limited engagement' cache? Placed with a 'this will only be here for a year' type notice? It occurred to me this might be a good solution for the potential trespassing issues that could arise from placing in this location behind the fence.

 

I know there will be tunnel-visioned folks who will go for the cache even if the gate is locked. But I'm trying to figure out, other that stating in BIG BOLD LETTERS in the cache description not to go if the gate is locked, what else I can do to help reinforce the respecting of said property?

[+Penlowe]

addenda: It's distinctly possible that I could place a notice for cachers on the gate. A "yes you are warm but if this gate is closed try another day". Would that do?

[+seldon]

Regardless of warnings and Premium cache only, you can be absolutely sure that there will be some that will go after hours when the place is locked. Figure out the ramifications of that, and you will have your answer.

[+Walts Hunting]

Seldom has it right. No matter what steps you take some will climb the fence during hours that it is closed.

[+user13371]

I don't see a problem with this as long as you cover ALL of the bases -- sone already discussed:

 

- PMO cache, to decrease likelihood of a casual wanderer going after it

- Make sure you have permission from the land manager

- Impress upon the land manager the possibility that someone may ignore the rules

- Make sure the cache description lists the hours of availability

- and that it is indeed in the wild area, behind a fence sometimes locked

- and that anyone who breaks the rules will have their log deleted, and may run afoul of the property's security folks

 

Simple, eh?

[+Penlowe]

Thank you

What about my secondary question of a limited time cache? It would be a year or so.

[+GeoBain]

Thank you

What about my secondary question of a limited time cache? It would be a year or so.

 

I don't see that being an issue. There are several parks which limit placements to a year and then they must be removed. The permanence rule guideline says the cache should be expected to be in place for at least 3 months. Therefore, a year is sufficient.

[+Team Hugs]

What about my secondary question of a limited time cache? It would be a year or so.

 

I don't see a problem with that. In my area, for example, there are several government units that require permits for placing geocaches in their parks, and the permits require that the cache be removed after a year (in order to cut down on the effect of geotrails becoming permanent trails. It seems a reasonable compromise.

[+Penlowe]

Excellent! Now to share this with the proprietors of said land a figure things out.

 

I realized there is a third option of building a large cache that would be disguised as part of the landscaping/ buildings/ assorted urban stuff that exists in any city environment to be placed in the non-fenced area, but due to the terrain I'm not sure if that kind of engineering is in my budget. I had been perusing the Cool Cache Containers thread thinking about the wild spaces when it dawned on me that I could go the other way....

 

I will put on my thinking cap some more.

[+Chokecherry]

I think it would depend more on the realities of your caching community. Here depending on where it is a cache some place that is only open at certain times would be fine. The local folks are just not folks to go climbing fences or rushing for a first to find. We have some caches in places that are only open at certain hours and it hasn't been an issue. Most people just drive by if they can't get in. If you have a community that has a propensity to be more rapid about their cache hunting then I would think harder about it.