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My brother-in-law owns a pizza shop and has given us permission to hide a cache outside the shop. We'd like to do this, and offer incentive, like "If you find this cache and CHOOSE to, you can get 10% of your order of $20 or more" "There is no obligation to purchase"....can we do that? These TOS do not seem clear enough for this kind of question.

 

Thanks for the help!

 

Jennifer

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My brother-in-law owns a pizza shop and has given us permission to hide a cache outside the shop. We'd like to do this, and offer incentive, like "If you find this cache and CHOOSE to, you can get 10% of your order of $20 or more" "There is no obligation to purchase"....can we do that? These TOS do not seem clear enough for this kind of question.

 

Thanks for the help!

 

Jennifer

~DeadEndKids~

 

From the cache placement guidelines:

 

Commercial caches are disallowed. As a general rule, reviewers will not publish cache pages that seem commercial. A commercial cache has one or more of the following characteristics:

 

1. It requires the finder to go inside a business, interact with employees and/or purchase a product or service.

2. It has overtones of advertising, marketing or promotion.

3. It contains links to businesses, commercial advertisers, charities, political agendas or social agendas.

4. It contains the logo of a business or organization, including non-profit organizations.

5. The name of a business or commercial product is on the cache page.

6. On very rare occasions, Groundspeak makes an exception for a commercial cache. Arrangements are made before placement. If your cache is commercial in any way, please contact Groundspeak for clarification about how to comply with cache listing guidelines

 

Bold emphasis is mine. I would think the bolded part would be applicable here.

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My brother-in-law owns a pizza shop and has given us permission to hide a cache outside the shop. We'd like to do this, and offer incentive, like "If you find this cache and CHOOSE to, you can get 10% of your order of $20 or more" "There is no obligation to purchase"....can we do that? These TOS do not seem clear enough for this kind of question.

 

Thanks for the help!

 

Jennifer

~DeadEndKids~

Jennifer, other than the text you suggested, hiding a cache near a business is something you can do. You might want to work directly with your Reviewer regarding how you word your cache page. What you have suggested would almost certainly be considered solicitation, as defined by the guidelines, and would prevent it from being published. There are other considerations that appear a bit less clear, which is where your Reviewer can help. Many caches near businesses use some play on words in the title, to describe the business. Some Reviewers are OK with this. Most will insist that the name of the business not be mentioned anywhere in the listing. Many Reviewers will say you can't even mention any coupons you leave in the cache, as that could be interpreted as solicitation.

 

My suggestion would be to create a cache that stands on its own merits, with not even a subtle reference to the business. Those who find it can decide for themselves if they want to eat there.

 

I would also suggest you include a Reviewer note in your submission, including your brother-in-law's name and contact information, as the person who gave permission for your hide.

 

Good luck!

 

-Sean

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What Clan said.

It would be interesting though, because the business owner could essentially put whatever they want, regularly, into the cache without you "knowing", including flyers, invitations, coupons, etc.

But that runs the risk of a cacher finding the cache and reporting it as being used for advertising... you'd have to be almost entirely not-in-the-know, but even then a reviewer might ask you to move the cache so it wouldn't be "abused" by the business owner for solicitation.

 

However, there are a ton of them out there that say right in the description to stop by and have a drink or whatever.

Better not reveal them to the reviewers, they may get disabled until they're 'fixed'. :ph34r:

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My brother-in-law owns a pizza shop and has given us permission to hide a cache outside the shop. We'd like to do this, and offer incentive, like "If you find this cache and CHOOSE to, you can get 10% of your order of $20 or more" "There is no obligation to purchase"....can we do that? These TOS do not seem clear enough for this kind of question.

 

Thanks for the help!

 

Jennifer

~DeadEndKids~

Jennifer, other than the text you suggested, hiding a cache near a business is something you can do. You might want to work directly with your Reviewer regarding how you word your cache page. What you have suggested would almost certainly be considered solicitation, as defined by the guidelines, and would prevent it from being published. There are other considerations that appear a bit less clear, which is where your Reviewer can help. Many caches near businesses use some play on words in the title, to describe the business. Some Reviewers are OK with this. Most will insist that the name of the business not be mentioned anywhere in the listing. Many Reviewers will say you can't even mention any coupons you leave in the cache, as that could be interpreted as solicitation.

 

My suggestion would be to create a cache that stands on its own merits, with not even a subtle reference to the business. Those who find it can decide for themselves if they want to eat there.

 

I would also suggest you include a Reviewer note in your submission, including your brother-in-law's name and contact information, as the person who gave permission for your hide.

 

Good luck!

 

-Sean

 

It's also a good idea to keep in mind that even with explicit permission from a business owner and the construction of a cache page listing which does not give the perception that the caches is commercial in nature, a cache near a business means there may be lots of people going to that business (good for your brother-in-law, maybe not so much for the cache) that will have no idea that there is a cache placed there. The result may be something between the cache getting muggled (found and taken by non-geocachers) occasionally, to a non-gecacher thinking that those searching for it look suspicious and calling the police, which depending on the container may escalate to calling the bomb squad.

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I honestly don't want any commercialism in the caches I visit. I am the kind of person who would not go to business for that reason.

 

One of the things I like about GC is that is for people by people. Yeah, Groundspeak get there cut but I can live with that.

 

Frankly, even the Cache listed below bothered me when it came out this morning. I have no idea about this website or group but it sure seems like advertising to me.

 

Ranger Rick Cache

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I honestly don't want any commercialism in the caches I visit. I am the kind of person who would not go to business for that reason.

 

One of the things I like about GC is that is for people by people. Yeah, Groundspeak get there cut but I can live with that.

 

Frankly, even the Cache listed below bothered me when it came out this morning. I have no idea about this website or group but it sure seems like advertising to me.

 

Ranger Rick Cache

 

its all about geocaching , free advertising of geocaching.com where's the problem? :blink:

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However, there are a ton of them out there that say right in the description to stop by and have a drink or whatever.

Better not reveal them to the reviewers, they may get disabled until they're 'fixed'. :ph34r:

 

Keep in mind, not everyone lives where you live. In the grand scheme of things, the overwhelming majority of people do not live where you live. :o

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I honestly don't want any commercialism in the caches I visit. I am the kind of person who would not go to business for that reason.

 

One of the things I like about GC is that is for people by people. Yeah, Groundspeak get there cut but I can live with that.

 

Frankly, even the Cache listed below bothered me when it came out this morning. I have no idea about this website or group but it sure seems like advertising to me.

 

Ranger Rick Cache

 

its all about geocaching , free advertising of geocaching.com where's the problem? :blink:

 

I hadn't seen the RangerRickTrail page on the geocaching.com site. It *does* look like it might be a fun activity for geocachers with kids. On the other hand, while it's not selling a product, it *is* "selling" an agenda. I guess the guideline which states "Geocaches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted." really means "Geocaches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted...unless it's an agenda we approve of/from which we can sell some advertising".

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I hadn't seen the RangerRickTrail page on the geocaching.com site. It *does* look like it might be a fun activity for geocachers with kids. On the other hand, while it's not selling a product, it *is* "selling" an agenda. I guess the guideline which states "Geocaches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted." really means "Geocaches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted...unless it's an agenda we approve of/from which we can sell some advertising".

 

Does that surprise you?

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I honestly don't want any commercialism in the caches I visit. I am the kind of person who would not go to business for that reason.

 

One of the things I like about GC is that is for people by people. Yeah, Groundspeak get there cut but I can live with that.

 

Frankly, even the Cache listed below bothered me when it came out this morning. I have no idea about this website or group but it sure seems like advertising to me.

 

Ranger Rick Cache

 

its all about geocaching , free advertising of geocaching.com where's the problem? :blink:

 

Not sure if there is sarcasm there, but the whole thing is designed to take you to an external link.

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I hadn't seen the RangerRickTrail page on the geocaching.com site. It *does* look like it might be a fun activity for geocachers with kids. On the other hand, while it's not selling a product, it *is* "selling" an agenda. I guess the guideline which states "Geocaches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted." really means "Geocaches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted...unless it's an agenda we approve of/from which we can sell some advertising".

 

Does that surprise you?

 

Not much surprises me much about geocaching anymore. Coincidentally, I was in Brussels three days ago and DNFd on a cache called Brussels #1 (got kicked out of the park at closing time during my search).

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I hadn't seen the RangerRickTrail page on the geocaching.com site. It *does* look like it might be a fun activity for geocachers with kids. On the other hand, while it's not selling a product, it *is* "selling" an agenda. I guess the guideline which states "Geocaches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted." really means "Geocaches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted...unless it's an agenda we approve of/from which we can sell some advertising".

 

Does that surprise you?

 

Not much surprises me much about geocaching anymore. Coincidentally, I was in Brussels three days ago and DNFd on a cache called Brussels #1 (got kicked out of the park at closing time during my search).

 

In French or English?

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I hadn't seen the RangerRickTrail page on the geocaching.com site. It *does* look like it might be a fun activity for geocachers with kids. On the other hand, while it's not selling a product, it *is* "selling" an agenda. I guess the guideline which states "Geocaches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted." really means "Geocaches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted...unless it's an agenda we approve of/from which we can sell some advertising".

 

Does that surprise you?

 

Not much surprises me much about geocaching anymore. Coincidentally, I was in Brussels three days ago and DNFd on a cache called Brussels #1 (got kicked out of the park at closing time during my search).

 

In French or English?

 

French, if I recall, accompanied with a lot of whistle blowing and hand waving. Looked a bit like herding sheep toward the exit.

 

Many of the street signs there are in Dutch, but it seemed that most people were speaking French, and I flew there on Alitalia and all the announcements were in French, English, and Italian. At the train station, all announcements were in Dutch, French, and English. Most of the cache listings I saw were in Dutch and English.

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I hate to ask this because I know what the backlash will be but here goes

 

2 part question:

 

1.) What about a cache with the name being a word used in a nearby business name, the description includes the following information:

 

It should be very easy to find. The FTF gets a free ????????????

This is a great place to stop while out caching. Oh! I work here in the evenings, we are open Wed - Sun 10:30-9:00. Hope to see you!!

 

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Straight into the wools from the parking lot, behind a large oak tree. FTF gets a ??????????????? :)

 

replaced the FTF award with ?????? as that part is not important.

 

2.) And what about when the Reviewer happens to be one of the co-FTF using their non-reviewer account hours after it is published? Cache description was not changed since it is the same as it was when we left and were STF shortly after the FTF's.

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I hate to ask this because I know what the backlash will be but here goes

 

2 part question:

 

1.) What about a cache with the name being a word used in a nearby business name, the description includes the following information:

 

It should be very easy to find. The FTF gets a free ????????????

This is a great place to stop while out caching. Oh! I work here in the evenings, we are open Wed - Sun 10:30-9:00. Hope to see you!!

 

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Straight into the wools from the parking lot, behind a large oak tree. FTF gets a ??????????????? :)

 

replaced the FTF award with ?????? as that part is not important.

 

2.) And what about when the Reviewer happens to be one of the co-FTF using their non-reviewer account hours after it is published? Cache description was not changed since it is the same as it was when we left and were STF shortly after the FTF's.

 

What I've bolded would be commercial-or at least that's how my reviewer sees it. You can say something like Cache is located in front of XXX business, or cache is located near my job-I'll be watching for you.

 

You can also say FTF is, well anything really. Gift card, toy, coin, free pizza.

If the reviewer uses a player account(Not all have seperate accounts but most do) as long as they wait until it is published it's fair game. Now I don't think most would do that(they have tons of caches, probably lots of FTF's) and there are many reviewers who do not review the area they live in.

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My brother-in-law owns a pizza shop and has given us permission to hide a cache outside the shop. We'd like to do this, and offer incentive, like "If you find this cache and CHOOSE to, you can get 10% of your order of $20 or more" "There is no obligation to purchase"....can we do that? These TOS do not seem clear enough for this kind of question.

 

Thanks for the help!

 

Jennifer

~DeadEndKids~

Jennifer, other than the text you suggested, hiding a cache near a business is something you can do. You might want to work directly with your Reviewer regarding how you word your cache page. What you have suggested would almost certainly be considered solicitation, as defined by the guidelines, and would prevent it from being published. There are other considerations that appear a bit less clear, which is where your Reviewer can help. Many caches near businesses use some play on words in the title, to describe the business. Some Reviewers are OK with this. Most will insist that the name of the business not be mentioned anywhere in the listing. Many Reviewers will say you can't even mention any coupons you leave in the cache, as that could be interpreted as solicitation.

 

My suggestion would be to create a cache that stands on its own merits, with not even a subtle reference to the business. Those who find it can decide for themselves if they want to eat there.

 

I would also suggest you include a Reviewer note in your submission, including your brother-in-law's name and contact information, as the person who gave permission for your hide.

 

Good luck!

 

-Sean

 

+ 1.......We've found many of these and I always try to support these businesses and buy something .

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Don't name the FTF prize though if it's to a store. That may also be considered commercializing.

"Gift card for $10 of coffee or donuts" would be ok, but more than likely "Tim Horton's $10 gift card" wouldn't.

 

I think you may be giving advice that applies in the Province of Ontario, Canada, and nowhere else in the world. :ph34r:

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Don't name the FTF prize though if it's to a store. That may also be considered commercializing.

"Gift card for $10 of coffee or donuts" would be ok, but more than likely "Tim Horton's $10 gift card" wouldn't.

 

I think you may be giving advice that applies in the Province of Ontario, Canada, and nowhere else in the world. :ph34r:

In 1995, Tim Hortons merged with Wendy's International, Inc., giving new focus and impetus to the expansion of the Tim Hortons concept in the United States. Tim Hortons locations can presently be found in Michigan, Maine, Connecticut, Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and New York, with responsible expansion continuing in these core markets

 

But I still wouldn't mention them by name, just gift card for donuts or coffee.

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Don't name the FTF prize though if it's to a store. That may also be considered commercializing.

"Gift card for $10 of coffee or donuts" would be ok, but more than likely "Tim Horton's $10 gift card" wouldn't.

 

I think you may be giving advice that applies in the Province of Ontario, Canada, and nowhere else in the world. :ph34r:

In 1995, Tim Hortons merged with Wendy's International, Inc., giving new focus and impetus to the expansion of the Tim Hortons concept in the United States. Tim Hortons locations can presently be found in Michigan, Maine, Connecticut, Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and New York, with responsible expansion continuing in these core markets

 

But I still wouldn't mention them by name, just gift card for donuts or coffee.

 

And my 18 yr. old daughter works at one (in New York). :lol:Total misunderstanding though. Things got a little out of hand in Ontario, Canada, a few years back culminating with reviewers "going after" any mention of any business name on any cache page, period, including "Tim Horton's Gift Card for the FTF" or "Park across the street from McDonalds". I'm of the opinion a reviewer anywhere else wouldn't blink twice if there was a sentence buried on a cache page "$5 Gift Card at ________ for the FTF".

 

As a matter of fact, I could show you dozens of examples where it's obvious the reviewer never even read the body of the cache page, blatent admissions of not having permission, for example. Ever see something along the lines of "use extreme stealth, so the employees don't see you"? "Re-hide well so the cemetery Groundskeepers don't find it"?

 

Of course a reviewer will probably respond and prove me totally wrong on the gift card thing. :P

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Don't name the FTF prize though if it's to a store. That may also be considered commercializing.

"Gift card for $10 of coffee or donuts" would be ok, but more than likely "Tim Horton's $10 gift card" wouldn't.

 

I think you may be giving advice that applies in the Province of Ontario, Canada, and nowhere else in the world. :ph34r:

In 1995, Tim Hortons merged with Wendy's International, Inc., giving new focus and impetus to the expansion of the Tim Hortons concept in the United States. Tim Hortons locations can presently be found in Michigan, Maine, Connecticut, Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and New York, with responsible expansion continuing in these core markets

 

But I still wouldn't mention them by name, just gift card for donuts or coffee.

 

Timmies is no longer part of wendy's. Timmies has been getting better while webcasts wendy's has had to do some rebranding.

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Timmies is no longer part of wendy's. Timmies has been getting better while webcasts has had to do some rebranding.

 

So they are not, and haven't been for quite a few years! I thought they still were, they threw my off by still having those Tim Horton's/Wendy's combination locations.

 

By the way, I claim to be the only person to visit both the first ever Tim Horton's location Waymark in Hamilton, Ontario, and the first Tim Horton's in America Waymark in suburban Buffalo. Don't tell me I'm not a Timmies man (despite the fact I don't drink Coffee). :laughing:

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Timmies is no longer part of wendy's. Timmies has been getting better while webcasts has had to do some rebranding.

 

So they are not, and haven't been for quite a few years! I thought they still were, they threw my off by still having those Tim Horton's/Wendy's combination locations.

 

By the way, I claim to be the only person to visit both the first ever Tim Horton's location Waymark in Hamilton, Ontario, and the first Tim Horton's in America Waymark in suburban Buffalo. Don't tell me I'm not a Timmies man (despite the fact I don't drink Coffee). :laughing:

 

I only know that because I work for a company that-supposedly but I wouldn't be surprised if it was true-owns the 2 busiest Tim Horton's locations in Canada. Also the company owns some of the top Wendy's locations in Alberta.

Anyway back on topic; I don't think saying where a giftcard is from is commercialization. The Business already has your money so they hope you DON'T come in to use the card. Plus I'm sure I've mentioned Tim Cards as FTF before. Or maybe that just a Canadian reviewer. We HAVE to get our Timmies. :laughing:

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It is my contention that there isn't a corner you can stand on in Hamilton where there isn't a Tim Horton's in your line of sight.

 

Meanwhile, what's the story on geocache-aware business owners creating "team" accounts with their business names, to be used to place the cache as a way of getting its name on the cache page?

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My brother-in-law owns a pizza shop and has given us permission to hide a cache outside the shop. We'd like to do this, and offer incentive, like "If you find this cache and CHOOSE to, you can get 10% of your order of $20 or more" "There is no obligation to purchase"....can we do that? These TOS do not seem clear enough for this kind of question.

 

Thanks for the help!

 

Jennifer

~DeadEndKids~

Jennifer, other than the text you suggested, hiding a cache near a business is something you can do. You might want to work directly with your Reviewer regarding how you word your cache page. What you have suggested would almost certainly be considered solicitation, as defined by the guidelines, and would prevent it from being published. There are other considerations that appear a bit less clear, which is where your Reviewer can help. Many caches near businesses use some play on words in the title, to describe the business. Some Reviewers are OK with this. Most will insist that the name of the business not be mentioned anywhere in the listing. Many Reviewers will say you can't even mention any coupons you leave in the cache, as that could be interpreted as solicitation.

 

My suggestion would be to create a cache that stands on its own merits, with not even a subtle reference to the business. Those who find it can decide for themselves if they want to eat there.

 

I would also suggest you include a Reviewer note in your submission, including your brother-in-law's name and contact information, as the person who gave permission for your hide.

 

Good luck!

 

-Sean

 

+ 1.......We've found many of these and I always try to support these businesses and buy something .

 

Ditto. I'll often even mention in my log that I went into the nearby business. I've got a cache that I placed with explicit permission on the land where a business is located. The cache description and "container" are very much thematically related to the name of the business. Every once inwhile I'll print off the latest logs for he property owner to read. She's glad to see to people are enjoying a visit to their little garden. I could imagine that if a CO placed near a business without any subtle references to the business and then should the logs to the local business which indicated that visitors to the cache supported their business, they'd probably come away with a favorable impression about geocaching.

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In 1995, Tim Hortons merged with Wendy's International, Inc., giving new focus and impetus to the expansion of the Tim Hortons concept in the United States. Tim Hortons locations can presently be found in Michigan, Maine, Connecticut, Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and New York, with responsible expansion continuing in these core markets

 

As far as I know, Tim Horton's is no longer found in MA, CT or RI. They couldn't compete with Dunkin Donuts.

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In 1995, Tim Hortons merged with Wendy's International, Inc., giving new focus and impetus to the expansion of the Tim Hortons concept in the United States. Tim Hortons locations can presently be found in Michigan, Maine, Connecticut, Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and New York, with responsible expansion continuing in these core markets

 

As far as I know, Tim Horton's is no longer found in MA, CT or RI. They couldn't compete with Dunkin Donuts.

 

They gave up some stores in the east, but last I heard they plan on being agressive in the west-Washington Montana etc. I live in a city of 60,000 with 8 Tim Hortons locations. One is literally across the parking lot as another one.

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In 1995, Tim Hortons merged with Wendy's International, Inc., giving new focus and impetus to the expansion of the Tim Hortons concept in the United States. Tim Hortons locations can presently be found in Michigan, Maine, Connecticut, Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and New York, with responsible expansion continuing in these core markets

 

As far as I know, Tim Horton's is no longer found in MA, CT or RI. They couldn't compete with Dunkin Donuts.

 

They gave up some stores in the east, but last I heard they plan on being agressive in the west-Washington Montana etc. I live in a city of 60,000 with 8 Tim Hortons locations. One is literally across the parking lot as another one.

 

I found an article from a business newspaper that said the closed about 40 in those States in 2008, but it doesn't say if they left completely. The same article says their 3 biggest American markets are, in order, Buffalo, Detroit, and Columbus, Ohio. I don't get the Columbus thing, but whatever. Oh boy, do I really need to get on topic. :lol: I'm confused by this post from January 5th, which bumped this old thread:

 

I hate to ask this because I know what the backlash will be but here goes

 

2 part question:

 

1.) What about a cache with the name being a word used in a nearby business name, the description includes the following information:

 

It should be very easy to find. The FTF gets a free ????????????

This is a great place to stop while out caching. Oh! I work here in the evenings, we are open Wed - Sun 10:30-9:00. Hope to see you!!

 

Additional Hints (Encrypt)

Straight into the wools from the parking lot, behind a large oak tree. FTF gets a ??????????????? :)

 

replaced the FTF award with ?????? as that part is not important.

 

 

So they DID name an item from the business, and the cache page doesn't really say ???????? As I said before, I don't see a problem. Naming the business in the cache name? I most certainly do see a problem there.

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In 1995, Tim Hortons merged with Wendy's International, Inc., giving new focus and impetus to the expansion of the Tim Hortons concept in the United States. Tim Hortons locations can presently be found in Michigan, Maine, Connecticut, Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and New York, with responsible expansion continuing in these core markets

 

As far as I know, Tim Horton's is no longer found in MA, CT or RI. They couldn't compete with Dunkin Donuts.

 

They gave up some stores in the east, but last I heard they plan on being agressive in the west-Washington Montana etc. I live in a city of 60,000 with 8 Tim Hortons locations. One is literally across the parking lot as another one.

 

I think this thread was mis-named! Apparently it should have been named something about Tim Horton's. :lol:

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It is my contention that there isn't a corner you can stand on in Hamilton where there isn't a Tim Horton's in your line of sight.

 

Meanwhile, what's the story on geocache-aware business owners creating "team" accounts with their business names, to be used to place the cache as a way of getting its name on the cache page?

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In 1995, Tim Hortons merged with Wendy's International, Inc., giving new focus and impetus to the expansion of the Tim Hortons concept in the United States. Tim Hortons locations can presently be found in Michigan, Maine, Connecticut, Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and New York, with responsible expansion continuing in these core markets

 

As far as I know, Tim Horton's is no longer found in MA, CT or RI. They couldn't compete with Dunkin Donuts.

 

They gave up some stores in the east, but last I heard they plan on being agressive in the west-Washington Montana etc. I live in a city of 60,000 with 8 Tim Hortons locations. One is literally across the parking lot as another one.

 

I think this thread was mis-named! Apparently it should have been named something about Tim Horton's. :lol:

 

Umm, this is totally Geocaching related, because I'll bet you 1,000 Tim Horton's have Geocaches. Never mind that all 1,000 of them are lame, and 999 of them were placed without permission. :unsure:

 

It is my contention that there isn't a corner you can stand on in Hamilton where there isn't a Tim Horton's in your line of sight.

 

Meanwhile, what's the story on geocache-aware business owners creating "team" accounts with their business names, to be used to place the cache as a way of getting its name on the cache page?

 

I assume the bolding means you're asking again? I don't even remember ever hearing of this. Where did you hear of this?

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I assume the bolding means you're asking again? I don't even remember ever hearing of this. Where did you hear of this?

 

I was asking again; sorry to pester.

 

I hadn't heard of it either, but it isn't inconceivable as a strategy and/or perceived end-run around the guidelines.

 

I was looking for anecdotal incidences where it has been done, and worked or has been attempted and denied.

 

Either way, curious.

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I was asking again; sorry to pester.

 

I hadn't heard of it either, but it isn't inconceivable as a strategy and/or perceived end-run around the guidelines.

 

I was looking for anecdotal incidences where it has been done, and worked or has been attempted and denied.

 

Either way, curious.

 

Ahh... "what's the story on" implies an existing story... "what are your thoughts on" implies potential story, for example :)

I dunno... strictly speaking, I don't think there's a guideline against business names in user account names, like there isn't for logs posted to a cache listing. Though I haven't checked the rulebook, so I could be wrong. AFAIK account names aren't 'reviewed' either. *shrug*

 

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I hate to ask this because I know what the backlash will be but here goes

 

2 part question:

 

1.) What about a cache with the name being a word used in a nearby business name, the description includes the following information:

 

It should be very easy to find. The FTF gets a free ????????????

This is a great place to stop while out caching. Oh! I work here in the evenings, we are open Wed - Sun 10:30-9:00. Hope to see you!!

 

Additional Hints (Encrypt)

Straight into the wools from the parking lot, behind a large oak tree. FTF gets a ??????????????? :)

 

replaced the FTF award with ?????? as that part is not important.

 

 

So they DID name an item from the business, and the cache page doesn't really say ???????? As I said before, I don't see a problem. Naming the business in the cache name? I most certainly do see a problem there.

 

 

Yes, the name of the cache is one of the 2 words used in the name of the business.

 

Just as an example: Joe's Burgers and the cache being called burgers. That is not the name of this cache but just an example and the ??????? listed the food that was given to the FTF.

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we tried this a alot of times, to find caches just outside a shop or business of some sort,

and some times there is a need for what ever stuff they sell,

so why not go there and eat or drink or icecream,

surely we did not go to this specific place, it it was not for the cache there...

so is there money in some cache locations ?? SURELY...

but there is no need to name it, dirctly..

but you could indirectly give people an idea, be smart and creative,

it is more fun to surprice people

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