Let's say that cache itself is personal property, then who owns the various items within?

[emmanogoldfish]

Assuming that the cache is personal property, it is listed on the internet with the intention that anyone can come find it, who owns the cache contents?

 

Log book, sig items, trackables, swag, etc, who owns those?

[+John in Valley Forge]

IF the argument can be made for ownership of the cache container (and I am not sure it really can be), then the contents of the container would be a part of the container, and the ownership would be the same as the container.

[+Ecylram]

Log book - cache owner.

 

Trackables - The person who placed it out in the wild.

 

Rest of it - whoever retrieves it as the placer has given up ownership.

[+Ecylram]

IF the argument can be made for ownership of the cache container (and I am not sure it really can be), then the contents of the container would be a part of the container, and the ownership would be the same as the container.

If I go to a health club and I place my items in their locker. It does not make those items the property of the health club. They remain my property. Same with a cache, just because a trackable owner places a trackable in a container, it does not mean they lose ownership of the item.

[+Keelmann And Cici]

IF the argument can be made for ownership of the cache container (and I am not sure it really can be), then the contents of the container would be a part of the container, and the ownership would be the same as the container.

If I go to a health club and I place my items in their locker. It does not make those items the property of the health club. They remain my property. Same with a cache, just because a trackable owner places a trackable in a container, it does not mean they lose ownership of the item.

 

Actually, I think technically if it can be shown you intentionally left it on public land, and left it for a significant length of time, it would be counted as abandoned property, and you'd no longer have a legal claim. Just a guess though.

[+Avernar]

Rest of it - whoever retrieves it as the placer has given up ownership.

No, the CO still owns the "rest of it". The original non trackable items are put in there for trade. When you trade for an item the one you take becomes yours and the one you leave becomes the CO's.

[+L0ne.R]

Log book - cache owner.

 

Trackables - The person who placed it out in the wild.

 

Rest of it - whoever retrieves it as the placer has given up ownership.

 

For letterbox hybrids add:

 

Stamp - the cache owner

[hoosier guy]

Log book - cache owner.

 

Trackables - The person who placed it out in the wild.

 

Rest of it - whoever retrieves it as the placer has given up ownership.

 

X1

[knowschad]

Gotta ask: do you ask this out of simple idle curiosity, or is there a real-life reason for it?

[+John in Valley Forge]

IF the argument can be made for ownership of the cache container (and I am not sure it really can be), then the contents of the container would be a part of the container, and the ownership would be the same as the container.

If I go to a health club and I place my items in their locker. It does not make those items the property of the health club. They remain my property. Same with a cache, just because a trackable owner places a trackable in a container, it does not mean they lose ownership of the item.

 

Only because you have a contract with the health club. You are essentially renting that locker.

Stop paying your bill (default on the contract) and see what happens to your stuff in the locker.

 

[+mpilchfamily]

Fun discussion if you ask me.

 

Cache and its contents are property of the CO minus any trackables which are the property of those who activated/adopted them. I think as a CO when i go to check my cache and i see an interesting item in it. I can take said item as my own. It being my cache and my swag that i fill it with any trade items are mine to take. A while back when i checked on my cache i found a Bakugan (a nice kids toy that cost $7 for a single pigpong ball sized toy). So i took it home for my son to add to his collection. Any sig items i find i also like to take home and add to my collection. As swag item get low in my cache i refill it. So anything left in the cache that are not trackables are mine to keep. Thats just my take on the subject.

[+Sharks-N-Beans]

when i go to check my cache and i see an interesting item in it. I can take said item as my own. It being my cache and my swag that i fill it with any trade items are mine to take. A while back when i checked on my cache i found a Bakugan (a nice kids toy that cost $7 for a single pigpong ball sized toy). So i took it home for my son to add to his collection.

 

This is a practice I hope doesn't catch on.

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

I own the cache, log and pen. The items I fill in my cache are public property as far as I'm concerned. It's for other cachers to trade with each other. Not me.

[AZcachemeister]

It ALL belongs to the cache owner.

When you trade, you are trading for his property.

When you trade unfairly, you are indeed RIPPING HIM OFF.

Back in the 1800's (when the concept of 'caching' was born), that could have meant you would have been shot on sight.

TRADE FAIRLY!

You have been warned.

[AZcachemeister]

It ALL belongs to the cache owner.

When you trade, you are trading for his property.

When you trade unfairly, you are indeed RIPPING HIM OFF.

Back in the 1800's (when the concept of 'caching' was born), that could have meant you would have been shot on sight.

TRADE FAIRLY!

You have been warned.

 

Maybe it was the 1700's...whatever.

[The_Hypnotoad]

Assuming that the cache is personal property, it is listed on the internet with the intention that anyone can come find it, who owns the cache contents?

 

Log book, sig items, trackables, swag, etc, who owns those?

 

All your swag are belong to me!!!

[knowschad]

Assuming that the cache is personal property, it is listed on the internet with the intention that anyone can come find it, who owns the cache contents?

 

Log book, sig items, trackables, swag, etc, who owns those?

 

All your swag are belong to me!!!

 

Not if I get there first!

[knowschad]

It ALL belongs to the cache owner.

When you trade, you are trading for his property.

When you trade unfairly, you are indeed RIPPING HIM OFF.

Back in the 1800's (when the concept of 'caching' was born), that could have meant you would have been shot on sight.

TRADE FAIRLY!

You have been warned.

 

Maybe it was the 1700's...whatever.

 

Back in the days of Louis Costello and Dick Clark anyway, right?

[AZcachemeister]

It ALL belongs to the cache owner.

When you trade, you are trading for his property.

When you trade unfairly, you are indeed RIPPING HIM OFF.

Back in the 1800's (when the concept of 'caching' was born), that could have meant you would have been shot on sight.

TRADE FAIRLY!

You have been warned.

 

Maybe it was the 1700's...whatever.

 

Back in the days of Louis Costello and Dick Clark anyway, right?

 

More or less...

 

Anyway, the point is the cache owner puts out the cache with whatever swag (contents) that are included.

This is HIS CACHE, and the contents are HIS PROPERTY that he invites us to trade for.

If people could somehow focus on trading with the cache owner, rather than thinking about leaving stuff for some unknown person who may come along later...perhaps cache content degradation would be a thing of the past.

 

I'm not holding my breath, however.

[+uxorious]

IF the argument can be made for ownership of the cache container (and I am not sure it really can be), then the contents of the container would be a part of the container, and the ownership would be the same as the container.

If I go to a health club and I place my items in their locker. It does not make those items the property of the health club. They remain my property. Same with a cache, just because a trackable owner places a trackable in a container, it does not mean they lose ownership of the item.

 

Only because you have a contract with the health club. You are essentially renting that locker.

Stop paying your bill (default on the contract) and see what happens to your stuff in the locker.

 

From a legal standpoint, the stuff in the locker is your personal property. It remains your property unless you abandon it.(Quit paying, you have abandoned it) By the same token, if you have a cache that is hidden with permission, private or public property, it remains your property.

 

I am not sure how you could argue a cache is NOT personal property as long as it is legally hidden with proper permission.

 

As for the contents, I go with those that say it belongs to the CO. When I put out a cache, the stuff in it is not intended to be free stuff. The purpose of the swag is for trade. If you are not trading you are stealing.IMHO