+barryadams307 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I'm looking to make the hardest cach I can there all just too eazy around me !! Need ideas on what you think will make it hard ??? Planing on maybe over a ten mile hike off trail , cach up a tree , night cach , projections , puzzles , water crossing or long hike around maybe even under water cache all rolled in to one big muti cache Tell me what you would do to make a hard 6/6 Quote Link to comment
+Redfist Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Without revealing anything about the specific cache... there is a cache near me that I haven't found yet. I know it's there because people keep logging finds. It's a macro (likely nano) and I suspect it's disguised as a knot in a rather busy tree. AARRGGG! Quote Link to comment
+barryadams307 Posted August 26, 2011 Author Share Posted August 26, 2011 I would be happy if it takes years for someone to find !!! Just don't know how I can make it that hard and still findable Unless they need something they don't have to get a stage like a tool or something , but would it be wrong of me to not tell them what to bring ??? Quote Link to comment
Tahosa and Sons Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Tell me what you would do to make a hard 6/6 There is no such cache rating in the system and very few true 5 x 5 caches. Here are some examples of some tough caches. Quote Link to comment
+barryadams307 Posted August 27, 2011 Author Share Posted August 27, 2011 Yeah I know that it's going to be off the scale Quote Link to comment
+Coldgears Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Yeah I know that it's going to be off the scale First, most people consider "off the scale" caches to be ones that require multipule 5/5's. What I mean, a regular 5/5 would have a really hard to solve puzzle (5 star difficulty) and something that requires extra equipment (rock climbing.) A 6/6 would be for example, a 4 stage multi, each one with a 5 star difficulty puzzle ALONE, each one requiring a 5 star Terrain ALONE. One could be a Scuba, then a tree climb, the a cave exploration, then a rock climb. That, despite having multipule stages which could each be a 5/5, can still only be listed as a 5/5. This is why the extreme caching community made the 6/6. So that's what you need to do. Otherwise, just stick with a single hard puzzle, and a single high terrain, if you want a "regular" 5/5. Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 (edited) The hardest cache I ever DNFed, I have no idea what was involved because I never found it. Personally I place my caches to be found so I can't help you on the making it harder thing. Edited August 27, 2011 by briansnat Quote Link to comment
+Flintstone5611 Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 I love your drive and ambition, but that usually happens by a weird combination of factors. You have to examine how you want it to qualify for the difficulty and for the terrain. Most caches with high rating are either grueling or qualify on a technicality. Quote Link to comment
+BaylorGrad Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 What I find interesting is that the OP doesn't seem to have too much difficulty creating difficult caches--he has six caches (five active) none of which have a D or T rating below a "3," and there are a couple 5's in there as well. That leads me to conclude--unfortunately--that the goal here is not to hide a difficult cache for cachers to find, but to hide a cache so difficult that people won't find it. Just a guess. Quote Link to comment
+barryadams307 Posted August 27, 2011 Author Share Posted August 27, 2011 I'm going out this weekend to look at a cache To get some ideas about projectsons There will be a tree climb at lest 20ft a few cliffs under water cache if I can find the right container heard of a pipe with holes you have to plug the holes and fill with water to flote the cache up to you Night cache in the middle , have to find a old gas pipe and fallow it I just don't know where I want to end this cache at Should I tell people what they will need or just let them try and find it ???? Quote Link to comment
+barryadams307 Posted August 27, 2011 Author Share Posted August 27, 2011 I'm not trying to make it so hard that know one can find it ( don't think I can even do that) this is one that you will have to keep coming back to meany meany times What I find interesting is that the OP doesn't seem to have too much difficulty creating difficult caches--he has six caches (five active) none of which have a D or T rating below a "3," and there are a couple 5's in there as well. That leads me to conclude--unfortunately--that the goal here is not to hide a difficult cache for cachers to find, but to hide a cache so difficult that people won't find it. Just a guess. Quote Link to comment
+Coldgears Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 I'm not trying to make it so hard that know one can find it ( don't think I can even do that) this is one that you will have to keep coming back to meany meany times Many people don't understand, "extreme caching". You aren't the only one, I have a huge one in my "area", "linuxxpert" I will never do them, but I understand why they do them. The point isn't about not having people finding them, it's about giving a huge challenge, and adrenaline rush to those that WANT to do extreme caches. Quote Link to comment
TheCacheSeeker Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 I'm going out this weekend to look at a cache To get some ideas about projectsons There will be a tree climb at lest 20ft a few cliffs under water cache if I can find the right container heard of a pipe with holes you have to plug the holes and fill with water to flote the cache up to you Night cache in the middle , have to find a old gas pipe and fallow it I just don't know where I want to end this cache at Should I tell people what they will need or just let them try and find it ???? I found a similar cache to the idea underlined. Quote Link to comment
+niraD Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Most of the high-difficulty caches I've found were based on difficult puzzles, so that's one option. A few involved well-camouflaged containers that looked like they were part of their environment. A few more required special equipment. Without the appropriate equipment, a field puzzle was inaccessible/unsolvable, or the hide effectively became a needle-in-a-haystack hide. Quote Link to comment
+nittanycopa Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 I'm not trying to make it so hard that know one can find it ( don't think I can even do that) this is one that you will have to keep coming back to meany meany times Many people don't understand, "extreme caching". You aren't the only one, I have a huge one in my "area", "linuxxpert" I will never do them, but I understand why they do them. The point isn't about not having people finding them, it's about giving a huge challenge, and adrenaline rush to those that WANT to do extreme caches. Challenge and planning. They're a lot of fun, but take up a day of time to find and a fair amount of prep work and equipment planning. Without proper gear and knowledge of said gear they're extremely risky. I don't advise trying to find them without proper training or accompanying a group of more experienced extreme cachers. Many involve climbing 75+ feet up trees and other structures using an ascension / descension system. There are a few ways to rig this, but again, you need to know what you're doing. PA, NJ, and MD are all pretty rich with extreme caches. To the OP: may I suggest you checking out extreme-caching.com ? I see someone else posted it here. I'm a regular over there and we generally plan outings to various extreme caches on the forums. Quote Link to comment
+Founden Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 I'm working on a particularly hard cache and I'm so excited to find it someday. LOL! I went twice yesterday to look. First trip was just sort of scouting the area out. I'm a noob, and I've made less than 15 finds...so I had no hopes hung on finding a level 5 difficulty. I had a brilliant idea go off in my brain and headed back up there, only to be wrong. But I will get it. Even seasoned cachers had trouble with this one. It's exciting because it's so tricky, but it's a large cache. Quote Link to comment
+Manville Possum Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 The hardest one I never found is off coordinates by 0.2 miles on a hiking trail in a remote area. It was placed in 2004, Earth must have moved. Quote Link to comment
+A & J Tooling Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 The hardest in my area is nowhere near the actual GZ. Some kids found it and threw it in some grapevine/poison ivy mounds of mangled mess. I'll wait for winter to attempt it again. Quote Link to comment
+Danbike_Lizbike Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Hardest one is an interesting story. There used to be a cache in the stone wall by the Orangerie Art Museum in Paris. I say the hole and was on autopilot walking towards it until I happened to look up and see the guard on the top of the wall carrying an FN automatic rifle. Let's just say I came back another day. This year we were back and saw that the hole was finally repaired so the cache was archived. Quote Link to comment
+Chokecherry Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 I would imagine a nano secured to the bottom of a muddy lake with numerous places to secure said nano and which required either substantial free diving or scuba gear would be a good 5/5. Quote Link to comment
+Sol seaker Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 I would highly recommend going out and finding some more caches in order to get the experience you need to hide a good 5/5. You've only found 45 caches, so I'm not surprised you are looking for inspiration here. Get out and find more caches. Run a pocket query in your area for tough caches and go find them. It's really important to be on the other end of the stick, the FINDING the tough caches, before you hide them. You need to know what it's like being on the other end before you can do a good job on the hiding end. That being said, I found my first 5/5 cache last weekend. It was an incredibly tough puzzle, that I'm not going to give away here. It was a multi-cache that each stage was a puzzle that got harder and harder. The final was accessible by boat only. The cacher who placed this cache has many years (and many finds) of caching experience so he knew how to make a puzzle that was really, really tough and creative that few could find, but some would. Run a pocket query and go out and get some hard caches. That will give you the inspiration AND the experience you need to place a good 5/5 cache. Quote Link to comment
+barryadams307 Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 Yeah I need to find some harder cache but there a lack of them around me I'm hopeing that will change soon Went out and found some caches this past weekend and there was someone that put a cache every half mile on pull off spots on a new Rd here it was the same thing every time found one of them with not even looking at the gps that kinda pissed me off there was no point in putting anything there but to just put it there And I'm tired of finding bad containers filled with water all most make me want to make a trip and weed out all the bad caches I have a few things that I want to use in my muti cache that I have been working on for a wile now going to have a pipe with holes you have to fill to get the cache going to have a tree climb with a latter that's how I'm going to place it put do u tell them to bring a ladder ??? , going to have them fallow a pipe un till I put a night cache about 2 or 3 miles in to the cache , going to have a lake crossing and a under water cache I just don't know much about puzzles anyone got any good ideas for puzzles ??? Quote Link to comment
+JL_HSTRE Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Hardest caches I've dealt with are all really tiny (micros/nanos) hidden really sneaky, like in a gap in the pavement or pressed into sand. Quote Link to comment
+niraD Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I would imagine a nano secured to the bottom of a muddy lake with numerous places to secure said nano and which required either substantial free diving or scuba gear would be a good 5/5.Well, it might be a 5/5, but I don't know anyone who would call a needle-in-a-haystack hide like that a good 5/5. I just don't know much about puzzles anyone got any good ideas for puzzles ???It looks like you haven't found any puzzles at all. I recommend that you find several before you think about hiding a puzzle cache yourself. If you're having trouble getting started on the local puzzle caches, then here is some advice that I've posted before: A while back, The Rat offered a puzzle-solving class as an event cache. His slides are available here: http://thegba.net/resources/general_information.php Among the tips he offered: Identify the theme. Check the cache title, the hint, the HTML source, the graphics (including names/URLs), any links (including URLs), whatever is at the posted coordinates, etc. If you can figure out the theme, then you should look for numbering systems that are associated with that theme (zip codes, athletes’ jersey numbers, episode numbers, product codes, etc.). Around here, coordinates will have 15 digits, and will look like "N 37° xx.xxx W 122° xx.xxx". So when I'm solving a nearby puzzle, I look for a group of 15 things, and then I look for ways to get the digits 37xxxxx122xxxxx from them. In general, I look for ways to get the number 37 (or the digits 3 and 7) from something near the beginning of the puzzle, and the number 122 (or the digits 1, 2, and 2) from something near the middle of the puzzle. (Of course, you'll need to adjust this for the coordinates near you.) Other useful resources include: Puzzle Solving 101 Series (bookmark list) Puzzle Shortcuts Series (bookmark list) Solving Puzzle Caches (online article) How Do I Solve All These $@! Puzzle Caches? (tutorial-style puzzle cache) Puzzle FUNdamentals (archived event cache) and the Puzzle FUNdamentals resources on the GeocacheAlaska! education page The GBA's Puzzle Cache FAQ (for puzzle designers, but useful for understanding how puzzle caches work) Quote Link to comment
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