Premium membership snobbery

[+bflentje]

I just went and converted all of my 285 owned caches in premium membership only caches. I am a snob.

[+Ambrosia]

I hate beaches

I agree with you on some of the issues with beaches.

Though off topic, I gotta agree with the anti-beach sentiment. I live in a state where there is always a beach within 70 miles of you, and it takes an act of Congress to get me to visit one. When my kids start pestering me about going to the beach, I suggest they go to the back yard, squirt water on themselves, sprinkle salt on themselves, then roll around in the sand. They'll get all the joys of being at the beach, without me having to drive them there.

 

So far, they haven't concurred with my theory...

Ah, kids. What can you do?

As Mark Twain said, "When a child turns 13, you put him in a barrel with only a hole to feed him through. When he turns 18, plug the hole."

[+Flintstone5611]

I gotta admit that the entire argument surrounding the cost of a Premium membership is flawed. I have friends that are more than happy with not having a premium membership, they really just don't care. If you live in a first world nation and can afford to have your own GPSr and pay for the gas that is often the most expensive part of our game, then it really comes down to desire. If you wanted to be a PM, then you could find a way. But since you don't deem it as worthwhile then you don't work towards it. I just have trouble with why someone would need to attack others for a choice that they make. No one is telling you that you can't be a PM, but you want people to feel guilty because they are? I can't see this as a serious attmept at finding an answer.

[+t4e]

On the off chance of upsetting the geocaching community and on the off chance of repeating other posts i do not understand the snobbery of geocachers making their caches for premium members only....

 

Yes, i agree with premium membership but it should be up to the geocaching.com to supply a worthy service that premium membership gives (which i am certainly it does) and not up to other geocachers to enforce premium elitism.

 

For all those elitist snobs who only allow premium members to view their caches please feel free to attempt to think about possibly the financial situations that many non premium members may be facing possibly with a distinct lack of disposable income to afford membership.

 

There may be other members who have many family members all who have their own accounts but alas they ALL cannot get premium memberships.

 

Yes if you can afford membership then yes why not ...get it, but come on now you snobs do not kill the joy of geocaching because you can afford things others can not

 

would have taken you a lot less time than it took to write all this insulting post to find out how as a regular member you can actually log Premium Caches

 

do you also complain about people that drive a Bentley instead of a Ford Focus?

 

i have a good feeling that the majority of those complaining about not being able to afford the meager $30/year spent that much on take out coffee in a month

so please don't tell me what to do with the perks i get for paying and supporting the resources Groundspeak provides in order for everyone to enjoy this game, which includes the regular non-paying members

Edited July 17, 2011 by t4e

[4wheelin_fool]

I gotta admit that the entire argument surrounding the cost of a Premium membership is flawed. I have friends that are more than happy with not having a premium membership, they really just don't care. If you live in a first world nation and can afford to have your own GPSr and pay for the gas that is often the most expensive part of our game, then it really comes down to desire. If you wanted to be a PM, then you could find a way. But since you don't deem it as worthwhile then you don't work towards it. I just have trouble with why someone would need to attack others for a choice that they make. No one is telling you that you can't be a PM, but you want people to feel guilty because they are? I can't see this as a serious attmept at finding an answer.

 

It's the 8.22 cent question. Premium membership costs 8.22 cents per day, and that creates a huge psychological wall for some people. 90% or more of the caches are basic membership anyhow, but for the site to create a wall like that, it creates a challenge to tear it down rather than pay it. Nevermind the cost of a smartphone, gps, gas, or a case of Guiness stout. Perhaps providing links to those forums instead will channel the animosity properly.

[+Roman!]

I really really want to travel to space but damit that $200,000 price tag, dam elitists that have been to space, they should all be arrested!

 

Suck it up buttercup, life's not fair.

Edited July 17, 2011 by [Roman]

[knowschad]

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Suck it up buttercup, life's not fair.

That is the edited version? Nice.

[+Rckhnd]

I don't doubt that there are very serious cachers who are freebies. The odds of a Premium member being a serious cacher goes up. I have hidden three caches, two are PMO, one is not. Making a PMO cache that I've spent some time and money on helps to protect my investment (but that doesn't guarantee it) from the cache robbers who hunt for coins and keep them or the cache. I've found more problems with public caches than I have with PMO caches such as trash put in, TBs missing, muggled etc.. Others may disagree, but this is what I have experienced in my short tenure as a geocacher.

 

I don't see it as a snob thing, I see it as a longevity thing. How many visits my cache gets doesn't matter as much to me as the quality of the find once they get there.

[+Don_J]

I gotta admit that the entire argument surrounding the cost of a Premium membership is flawed. I have friends that are more than happy with not having a premium membership, they really just don't care. If you live in a first world nation and can afford to have your own GPSr and pay for the gas that is often the most expensive part of our game, then it really comes down to desire. If you wanted to be a PM, then you could find a way. But since you don't deem it as worthwhile then you don't work towards it. I just have trouble with why someone would need to attack others for a choice that they make. No one is telling you that you can't be a PM, but you want people to feel guilty because they are? I can't see this as a serious attmept at finding an answer.

 

It's the 8.22 cent question. Premium membership costs 8.22 cents per day, and that creates a huge psychological wall for some people. 90% or more of the caches are basic membership anyhow, but for the site to create a wall like that, it creates a challenge to tear it down rather than pay it. Nevermind the cost of a smartphone, gps, gas, or a case of Guiness stout. Perhaps providing links to those forums instead will channel the animosity properly.

 

Skip Starbucks for a week and your membership is paid. I can't think about anything that I do on a daily basis that cost less than 8.22 cents.

[+Don_J]

 

To be honest, that's the exact opposite of my family. In our family we rate travel on the lowest possible spot on the list. However, this is not my list, if it were travel would be near the top. What our family calls a "Vacation" is a 2 - 3 day long visit to New Jersey beach... Every year... Of my entire life so far... Whoop-de-doo, 80 miles to wildwood. If it was me, I'd just drive the 2 hours daily to the beach and save the money that is spent on the hotel to take an airplane trip somewhere. The best "Trip" i've ever been on in my life was a 300 mile trip... Too guess? Guess where? Virginia beach, yep, the one trip I took in my life that was farther then 150 miles was too ANOTHER BEACH. I hate beaches, everything about them, the hot sand on the mile long walk to the water-edge, the freezing cold water, the salt water that gets into your mouth, the salt water that gets into your pores and makes you feel physically disgusting, the stepping on all the live clam things on the mid section before you get into the ocean, the sun burn, sand all over your body, sand all over your food, seagulls stealing your food, the terrible stench of the ocean, Guido's, the lemonade that has so much sugar that you can't drink it, the lemonade that you ask for just a little bit of sugar that still has so much sugar you can't drink it, the lemonade where you say "forget it" and tell them to put no sugar in and it is too sour, the rides that while being the only good redeeming quality of the beach make you realize you'd rather be at an amusement park, the showers that you pay $5 on the boardwalk that are disgusting because they are never clean and there is plenty of questionable things in the one you go in... Everytime... The water that has a crappy ice flavor, the water that taste fine but is boiling hot because you didn't put any ice in, the terrible cell phone reception because its an island, the fact that giant battleship you go in is broke, and is floating more and more away from the base, and you are stuck for 45 mins why they figure a way to bring you back, that one year when we went to the beach and there was THOUSANDS of little dots in the entire, little slimy dots, the fish had laid their eggs, and you couldn't move a half centimeter in the water without touching them, the life guards telling me I am moving too far to the left, the tide pulling me out into the ocean when all I want to do is go back, big waves that crush me under the water and slam my body around, small waves that push you back when all you want to do is get out into the big waves, the fact that body surfing never works, the annoying sounds of seagulls that never shut up, bugs everywhere, sand in your shoes that wont come out, the fact that they decided to put a water-park within 100 feet of an ocean.

 

And the number one reason I hate the beach is because

 

WATCH THE TRAM CAR PLEASE.

 

If I hear that again, uggh...

 

 

Come on now, as a 17yr old male, I'm sure that you have noticed one thing about the beach that makes up for all of that.

[+Ambient_Skater]

I'm sure that you have noticed one thing about the beach that makes up for all of that.

I know what I like about the beach... the dogs! Everyone always brings their pets to the beach

[CoinCowboy]

There are plenty of caches out there and you can get half the fun just planting some. Let PM find their own. No loss here

[+releasethedogs]

if 30 bucks a year breaks your bank you have bigger worries than geocaching.

[+chrisandjanet]

I had a premium membership once, a couple of years ago. I was a newbie, and expected that once I paid for my membership, hundreds of previously "hidden" caches that I couldn't see would pop up when I searched for a cache. Obviously, folks in my area weren't much for hiding PMO caches, since I detected no change in the cache list.

 

I let the membership lapse, because I'm not really a "techno-geek" (said with love) and have no use for the PQ feature or all the other features available to PMO membership. That being said, I also do not begrudge PMOs those benefits - after all, they paid for them, not me. I will admit, though, I do get kind of bummed out when someone in the forums references a cache page they think is particularly cool and I can't see it 'cause it's PMO, but you know what? I get over it!

[+hzoi]

it's like on xboxlive. i got a gold membership but only cause i want to play online, i could care less about the other stuff that comes with it. a few of my friends have silver only because they could care less about the online experience but they do complain sometimes that playing people online should be free.

 

Guess they should have purchased a PlayStation, then...PSN is free.

[+Baad Daata]

I find the audit log to be a lot of fun for new listings. We have a fairly small community in my area and it is a way for me to figure out who is on the way to a cache. Sometimes I will jump in the car to go and meet up with likely hunters. I frequently remove the PMO after a few weeks. Sometimes I forget.

 

I do wish there was a way for an owner to see who has a cache on a watchlist. I believe that folks that compromise a cache like to watch and read the comments by subsequent searchers and the owner.

[+NeverSummer]

On the off chance of upsetting the geocaching community and on the off chance of repeating other posts i do not understand the snobbery of geocachers making their caches for premium members only....

 

Yes, i agree with premium membership but it should be up to the geocaching.com to supply a worthy service that premium membership gives (which i am certainly it does) and not up to other geocachers to enforce premium elitism.

 

For all those elitist snobs who only allow premium members to view their caches please feel free to attempt to think about possibly the financial situations that many non premium members may be facing possibly with a distinct lack of disposable income to afford membership.

 

There may be other members who have many family members all who have their own accounts but alas they ALL cannot get premium memberships.

 

Yes if you can afford membership then yes why not ...get it, but come on now you snobs do not kill the joy of geocaching because you can afford things others can not

"Snobbery"?

 

I was unemployed for a while, and spending the $30 for a year was taken off of my expenditure list for the year. I still found lots of caches. The percentage of "PMO" caches is rather small in most areas around the USA, and the opportunities to find thousands of other non-PMO caches exist without hinderance.

 

You can still "find" a PMO cache and log it, but you will need to be with a PM to get the coordinates. It's not snobbery, it's just how this commercial (.com) site works.

 

I'm sorry you feel this way about PMs. It's not personal.

[+Scubasonic]

Don't feed the TROLL

[+Manville Possum]

it's like on xboxlive. i got a gold membership but only cause i want to play online, i could care less about the other stuff that comes with it. a few of my friends have silver only because they could care less about the online experience but they do complain sometimes that playing people online should be free.

 

Guess they should have purchased a PlayStation, then...PSN is free.

But Xbox live is the stuff. WaW, Zombies, multi player......more cheats there than in geocaching.

Now when the two can be intergrated along with facebook and we can get an app for that we'll have a lot more geocachers.

 

Edit to add:

Level 65 [RAIN]

 

Darn tootin' I'm a Gamer amd a PM but will not make any of my 100+ listings PMO.

Edited July 19, 2011 by Manville Possum Hunters

[+gundark2000]

Just be glad he don't know about the Ultra Top Secret Membership accounts....

Dude!! Don't you know that revealing that info to any non premium member is punishable by death?(or at least having your GPS permanantly jammed) lol!

[+NeverSummer]

Fresh Cherry Pie

1 recipe pastry for a 9 inch double crust pie

4 tablespoons quick-cooking tapioca

1/8 teaspoon salt

1 cup white sugar

4 cups pitted cherries

1/4 teaspoon almond extract

1/2 teaspoon vanilla extract

1 1/2 tablespoons butter

 

1. Preheat oven to 400 degrees F (205 degrees C). Place bottom crust in piepan. Set top crust aside, covered.

2. In a large mixing bowl combine tapioca, salt, sugar, cherries and extracts. Let stand 15 minutes. Turn out into bottom crust and dot with butter.

3. Cover with top crust, flute edges and cut vents in top.

4. Place pie on a foil lined cookie sheet --- in case of drips!

5. Bake for 50 minutes in the preheated oven, until golden brown.

 

[knowschad]

Fresh Cherry Pie

1 recipe pastry for a 9 inch double crust pie

4 tablespoons quick-cooking tapioca

1/8 teaspoon salt

1 cup white sugar

4 cups pitted cherries

1/4 teaspoon almond extract

1/2 teaspoon vanilla extract

1 1/2 tablespoons butter

 

1. Preheat oven to 400 degrees F (205 degrees C). Place bottom crust in piepan. Set top crust aside, covered.

2. In a large mixing bowl combine tapioca, salt, sugar, cherries and extracts. Let stand 15 minutes. Turn out into bottom crust and dot with butter.

3. Cover with top crust, flute edges and cut vents in top.

4. Place pie on a foil lined cookie sheet --- in case of drips!

5. Bake for 50 minutes in the preheated oven, until golden brown.

 

 

Man, that is the BEST!! Be sure to pit the cherries first, though. They can be tough on the fillings otherwise. Thanks for the recipe.

 

By the way, how are the cats doing?

[Andronicus]

On the off chance of upsetting the geocaching community and on the off chance of repeating other posts i do not understand the snobbery of geocachers making their caches for premium members only....

 

Yes, i agree with premium membership but it should be up to the geocaching.com to supply a worthy service that premium membership gives (which i am certainly it does) and not up to other geocachers to enforce premium elitism.

 

For all those elitist snobs who only allow premium members to view their caches please feel free to attempt to think about possibly the financial situations that many non premium members may be facing possibly with a distinct lack of disposable income to afford membership.

 

There may be other members who have many family members all who have their own accounts but alas they ALL cannot get premium memberships.

 

Yes if you can afford membership then yes why not ...get it, but come on now you snobs do not kill the joy of geocaching because you can afford things others can not

"Snobbery"?

 

I was unemployed for a while, and spending the $30 for a year was taken off of my expenditure list for the year. I still found lots of caches. The percentage of "PMO" caches is rather small in most areas around the USA, and the opportunities to find thousands of other non-PMO caches exist without hinderance.

 

You can still "find" a PMO cache and log it, but you will need to be with a PM to get the coordinates. It's not snobbery, it's just how this commercial (.com) site works.

 

I'm sorry you feel this way about PMs. It's not personal.

There are ways to figure out the coordinates without a PM. You just need to be creative, and have time to kill....

[+Rckhnd]

I do wish there was a way for an owner to see who has a cache on a watchlist. I believe that folks that compromise a cache like to watch and read the comments by subsequent searchers and the owner.

 

If I take your meaning right, I agree. I once removed a bunch of hand drawn porn from a public cache and noticed it had a high number of watchers, so I posted nothing about it in my log.

[+A & J Tooling]

Just be glad he don't know about the Ultra Top Secret Membership accounts....

Dude!! Don't you know that revealing that info to any non premium member is punishable by death?(or at least having your GPS permanantly jammed) lol!

 

I don't use a GPS'r so I have nothing to lose.

[+Scubasonic]

YEP I'm a PM snob, and darn proud of it I have worked hard to gain this title. All my caches are PM caches.

 

SS

[rollobluster]

Its good to see this thread has developed. I thank all for your insightful and sometimes humorous postings.

 

I would like to directly reply to many of the 125 postings however time is at an essence....but i will try

 

Generally when I've seen it discussed, the general wisdom is that premium only caches are less likely to fall prey to people who specifically hunt for and destroy caches, and less likely to be damaged for caches that are at high muggle risk.

..........Fair call, never crossed my mind

 

 

You might like to read the Forum Guidelines before you continue to spread insults willy-nilly.

 

I think if you had done a search of the forums for "elitist" and/or "snobs", you would have been able to find the other threads that posited this entitlement attitude, and you could have just added your thoughts to the most recent one.

 

It's not like starting a new thread about it will result in different replies than have already been posted.

 

...... "elitist" ....a insult? gee you must live in an utopian neighborhood, I am sure there could be worst words that could be thrown around, willy-nilly

 

and yes if i had done a search on "snob" or "elitist" i probably could have found something but i would not have got to read these awesomely entertaining posts

 

I'm building, by hand, a bunch of caches I plan on putting out soon. Water proofing them now. They will all be premium only due to less likelyhood of being stolen. No snobbery about it. I don't want some kid to steal them to put on their bedroom shelf. You got a phone? A payment plan? But you can't afford 30 bucks? How are you viewing this forum? Do you not have $30 or do you have it but just prefer to squander it on other things?

....again fair call on stealing/destruction of caches

 

and yeah got a phone, ten pounds a month pay-as-you-go the phone had costs 9 pounds (cheapest i could get, i prioritized phone over geocache membership as a phone can:

- give a contact number for emergencies

- give a contact for my boss when he needs me

- i am able to keep in contact my fiance when she is coming home or going to night shift

- i am able keep contact with loved ones when required

of course some people may prioritize premium membership over a phone...just because you can afford one does not automatically mean one can afford the other.

how i view these forums...public libraries, lunchtime at work, or if i ask nicely maybe after, if i visit friends.....

 

May I presume that you have walked to all of the caches that you have found, and that you use a GPS receiver that was given to you, powered by donated batteries? That you are using the computers and internet at your local public library?

 

Come on... you can't find a way to budget a dime a day?

 

I walk to most caches, ones further away i try and organise family day outs that include geocaching (which is not often and usually not far) and hence my frustration when trying to plan a day but many of the geocaches in the area i wish to explore with my family are PMO. I do not drive as i do not have a car...I utilise public transport if available and if cheap enough. If i do anything solo i have been known to thumb a lift. not reliable but very interesting.

 

My GPS was bought by me 6-7 years ago when things were in the positive. things do change. To be honest its now fairly poo as it does not work under trees or extremely cloudy days. batteries i buy not often as i do not get the chance to geocache often. I again prioritize batteries over membership as there is no point having membership but no batteries. i do not think that would work??? yes i could get a location of a PMO but alas i could not find it not very smart me thinks

 

Your posting style is offensive. Unfortunately, that means you'll get little to no useful discourse.

 

Including this one...

.........and

 

 

 

Fixed it for you.

 

edit: perhaps more rollo and less bluster next time

.....more rollo and less bluster...clever, how you split my name like that. and the georgia thing..never been to USA sorry must of stuffed up somewhere

 

more to follow ...too many quotes boxes

[rollobluster]

 

OK, I will try to give you a serious answer, not that I expect that you will really listen, but maybe you will surprise me:

 

I don't know if I have any PMO caches out anymore, but I did at one point, after having some caches muggled. Making them PMO makes it tougher for someone that wants to do harm to caches to get the coordinates. Not impossible, but harder. It also provides an audit log showing who looked at the cache page, but honestly, I have found that to be worthless.

 

Some people put their caches out as PMO to help pay for the web site that lists them, knowing that without that web site, their caches would be awefully lonely.

 

Maybe some people put their caches out as PMO because they are elitist snobs, but I don't know any.

fair call on this one....yes i do listen but alas i also like a good rant.

 

 

If all cachers who are not premium member came in and wrote this garbage, it would make me very happy to make all caches premium. Next time look in the forums and ask a question before coming in here and looking like a total Moron. Buying a membership for 30.00 is not the same thing as being a member of a country club where only Lords and Barons can be members.

 

By the way I notice you have never hidden a cache. So maybe you would like to hide one first. You might also like to encourage others to hide them.

fair call on barons and lords to country clubs...you should see me rant about that.. dont agree with royalty at all...born into royalty without earning it...does not make sense

fair call on me hiding a cache...

looking like a moron...probably but not bothered what one looks like

 

You found a cache in the US of A when you live in the united kingdom. You have MUCH more disposable income then me, my family can't even afford to travel via airplane to another state 300 miles away (A 3,000 mile state on the other side of the country is unthinkable), let alone travel to 5,000+ miles all the way to another country! $30 a year is a drop in the bucket compared to the couple thousands it costs to visit another country for even two days.

again my mistake ...never been to USA. dont know how/why this happened

 

 

I think I'll go out and hide a PMO cache in your honor.

 

...thank you i feel honoured. Its not often a pleb gets honored by such an elite member of the geocaching community

 

I'll wager 500 quatloos that the OP does not reply again on this thread.

 

pay up princess

 

I'll wager 500 quatloos that the OP does not reply again on this thread.

I will raise ya 600 and a growler of Romulan Ale

 

see above

 

I gotta admit that the entire argument surrounding the cost of a Premium membership is flawed. I have friends that are more than happy with not having a premium membership, they really just don't care. If you live in a first world nation and can afford to have your own GPSr and pay for the gas that is often the most expensive part of our game, then it really comes down to desire. If you wanted to be a PM, then you could find a way. But since you don't deem it as worthwhile then you don't work towards it. I just have trouble with why someone would need to attack others for a choice that they make. No one is telling you that you can't be a PM, but you want people to feel guilty because they are? I can't see this as a serious attmept at finding an answer.

 

.....you could be right..I just prioritize other things over PM but things i prefer to spend money on are fairly important> i consider geocaching a fairly economic and beneficial activity to get the family out of the daily/weekly rut..to get some fresh air, learn about the UK and navigation and enjoy the excitement of finding something. it can be somewhat frustrating when planning these trips that there are areas that a high concentration of PMO and if this trend continues then it will effectively limit this type of activity for people who are in similar positions to me (although as stated i agree with it overcoming the destruction of cache problem)

 

 

do you also complain about people that drive a Bentley instead of a Ford Focus?

 

i have a good feeling that the majority of those complaining about not being able to afford the meager $30/year spent that much on take out coffee in a month

so please don't tell me what to do with the perks i get for paying and supporting the resources Groundspeak provides in order for everyone to enjoy this game, which includes the regular non-paying members

 

it depends on how the person got his bentley and how many people got screwed whether or not i would complain (which funny enough i have a true story about this which i will not go into)

 

...and yes they are your perks and you can use them how you want, At not one stage did i suggest other wise. I am fundamentally against the reasoning why (except the destruction of the cache thing) why caches need to be PMO. As i stated i am sure the PM gives an abundance of other perks/system upgrades/etc which would make a PM a worthwhile investment and whether or not a person can cache is PMO or not is irrelevant. My belief is that geocaching and the ethos of geocaching was to bring as many people together in the pursuit of finding "treasure" and to enjoy the great outdoors and to get involved in what participating in outdoor pursuits brings (for example taking rubbish out etc). What PMO capability does is to undercut that ethos.

 

Yes its a perk...you do what you want with

 

Finally one question, how does the geocoin/bug thing etc work in regards to PMO.Again the ethos in this activity was to trust the people get help to bug/coin along its journey...If it gets moved to a PMO cache can BM get access to it. Its a lgit question i could look it up but while i am posting to a billion replies i thought i would ask

[+cx1]

 

pay up princess

 

 

Ok, the whole post I found very entertaining and I hope you get to post more often.

But the quote above, I am still chuckling

[+The Jester]

Finally one question, how does the geocoin/bug thing etc work in regards to PMO.Again the ethos in this activity was to trust the people get help to bug/coin along its journey...If it gets moved to a PMO cache can BM get access to it. Its a lgit question i could look it up but while i am posting to a billion replies i thought i would ask

Yes, any one (PM/BM) can move any TB/coin they find.

[+Fianccetto]

Finally one question, how does the geocoin/bug thing etc work in regards to PMO.Again the ethos in this activity was to trust the people get help to bug/coin along its journey...If it gets moved to a PMO cache can BM get access to it. Its a lgit question i could look it up but while i am posting to a billion replies i thought i would ask

Yes, any one (PM/BM) can move any TB/coin they find.

Yes, with a little research. There's a link in this thread you can follow to show you how to do this. I haven't tried it (yet) but if you cache with someone who has got premium membership, and find a PMO cache, you can claim your find. So if you have one family premium account and several individual accounts for each member of the family (this seemed to be what you were saying in your original post) the family account logs any finds by the family, the subsidiary ones log the finds of each individual who was there.

Edited July 20, 2011 by Fianccetto

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

I can't afford a premium membership when mine expires in August. I never really paid attention to which caches are PM only. I hope not many!

 

Edit: Just read the entire thread. How can I get coordinates to PM caches without being a member? Right now I plan to load 2000 caches onto my GPS right before my membership expires!

Edited July 20, 2011 by SeekerOfTheWay

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

The purpose of creating two classes is so that one can look down on the other. Why have premium caches for the elite if the proletariat are allowed. You just don't understand human nature yet. Maybe when you mature a little you will understand and be able to communicate your feelings in a civilized manner.

 

LOL! Best post in thread.

[Mr.Yuck]

 

Yes, i agree with premium membership but it should be up to the geocaching.com to supply a worthy service that premium membership gives (which i am certainly it does) and not up to other geocachers to enforce premium elitism.

 

 

It was great to see rollo come back to the thread, and have such a great sense of humor. Some of His/Her replies were funny as heck.

 

Am I the only one who actually likes the paragraph from the OP I'm quoting? "up to other geocachers to enforce premium elitism."? I like this. How many times in PMO threads have we heard people chime in with the old "I make all my caches premium to award people for supporting the website" line? Heck, there's one of them who has posted to this thread. When PMO's were created way back in the old days, that was in no way one of the reasons for which they were created.

[Mr.Yuck]

I can't afford a premium membership when mine expires in August. I never really paid attention to which caches are PM only. I hope not many!

 

Edit: Just read the entire thread. How can I get coordinates to PM caches without being a member? Right now I plan to load 2000 caches onto my GPS right before my membership expires!

 

Text message inquiry. You didn't hear this from me though.

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

I can't afford a premium membership when mine expires in August. I never really paid attention to which caches are PM only. I hope not many!

 

Edit: Just read the entire thread. How can I get coordinates to PM caches without being a member? Right now I plan to load 2000 caches onto my GPS right before my membership expires!

 

Text message inquiry. You didn't hear this from me though.

 

Ah, I see. Thanks! I don't have messaging plan though. Bummer. That's more expensive than a PM. Lol. I'll look into other ways.

[+NeverSummer]

Finally one question, how does the geocoin/bug thing etc work in regards to PMO.Again the ethos in this activity was to trust the people get help to bug/coin along its journey...If it gets moved to a PMO cache can BM get access to it. Its a lgit question i could look it up but while i am posting to a billion replies i thought i would ask

Yes, any one (PM/BM) can move any TB/coin they find.

...you said "BM"!

[+The_Incredibles_]

if 30 bucks a year breaks your bank you have bigger worries than geocaching.

 

+1

 

Yet another person who 'can't afford PM membership'.

 

I think if you're that broke, then you can't afford food or rent or gas and you really ought to be attending to those matters rather than geocaching.

[+ArmyFanGeo]

I just went and converted all of my 285 owned caches in premium membership only caches. I am a snob.

 

You elitist snob get off the forums

Edited July 22, 2011 by ArmyFanGeo

[+NeverSummer]

...cricket, cricket...

[+Redfist]

What costs more than a yearly premium membership? Let's see:

 

1. a pack of cigarettes per month

2. a single date-night during the year

3. the cost of gas to drive to caches

4. your GPS unit

5. 2 donuts per month at Krispy Kreme donuts

6. interest on typical credit card debt

7. a year's worth of lottery tickets (which are said by many to be a tax on people who don't understand math)

8. that extra sweater you bought but never wear

9. HBO for only 2 months

10. Leaving on a single light bulb for 3 months (est energy cost = 1.6 cents per hour)

[+WarNinjas]

Very interesting thread! It served a purpose for me though! I thought if you became a premium member that only premium members could see you hides. I was thinking I wanted to let everyone see them. I like some of the pocket quarry options so I am going to become a premium member now! I also want to support the site at the same time as I really like this new hobbie I have found. So this thread has made a new premium member. I was going to ask anyways but this cleared it up. I can see the value in making a PMO hide as well but would only use it if it was necessary. The ones that are not for premium members are what draw in people to join.

I think the OP should just go enjoy geocaching and not stress of the ones he/she cant see. In time he/she will have the money to go find the other ones. If there were not premium members hiding them then they would not be there anyways. Just look at it as there are no geocaches in the area. This is really just a game IMO so just have fun with it! I know I do.

-WarNinjas

Edited July 23, 2011 by WarNinjas

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

What costs more than a yearly premium membership? Let's see:

 

1. a pack of cigarettes per month

I don't smoke

2. a single date-night during the year

I'm married

3. the cost of gas to drive to caches

Within budget

4. your GPS unit

A mod on here gave me one free of charge!

5. 2 donuts per month at Krispy Kreme donuts

I'm vegan, no Krispy Kremes

6. interest on typical credit card debt

In budget, not in use

7. a year's worth of lottery tickets (which are said by many to be a tax on people who don't understand math)

I understand math

8. that extra sweater you bought but never wear

Sweater? In Florida?

9. HBO for only 2 months

Digital converter box, free.

10. Leaving on a single light bulb for 3 months (est energy cost = 1.6 cents per hour)

No lamps in this house! I'm green!

 

I can haz PM now?

Edited July 26, 2011 by SeekerOfTheWay

[+GeoBain]

10. Leaving on a single light bulb for 3 months (est energy cost = 1.6 cents per hour)

No lamps in this house! I'm green!

 

Sioneva?

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

10. Leaving on a single light bulb for 3 months (est energy cost = 1.6 cents per hour)

No lamps in this house! I'm green!

 

Sioneva?

 

Not sure what that is. Actually I just don't like artificial light indoors. Saving $ is just a bonus! Ha.

[+sword fern]

I just became a PM a few days ago to celebrate my 300th find. Am I a elitist snob?

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

Yes.

 

 

 

But I do like your forum signature!

Edited July 26, 2011 by SeekerOfTheWay

[+sword fern]

Yes.

 

 

 

But I do like your forum signature!

Finally, someone who actually reads the signature...

[+The_Incredibles_]

What costs more than a yearly premium membership? Let's see:

 

3. the cost of gas to drive to caches

Within budget

 

So can you reduce your gas budget by $2.50/month to pay for the premium membership? $2.50 in gas is like what 10 minutes of driving? At least where I live.

[+Ambient_Skater]

Drive faster.