Premium membership snobbery

2.6k · July 16, 2011

I was just going to add, that even if someone has multiple members of the family with their own accounts (which I kinda doubt is actually the case here), then one premium account would suffice to actually get the cache info and share it with the family. There is a way for non-PM's to log PMO finds even if they don't have a Premium account.

7.3k · July 16, 2011

You found a cache in the US of A when you live in the united kingdom. You have MUCH more disposable income then me, my family can't even afford to travel via airplane to another state 300 miles away (A 3,000 mile state on the other side of the country is unthinkable), let alone travel to 5,000+ miles all the way to another country! $30 a year is a drop in the bucket compared to the couple thousands it costs to visit another country for even two days.

I understand what you're saying, and I'm not meaning to pile on. I'm also not trying to make light of money issues, as we're going through a lot of them right now. But there are lots of ways to travel fairly cheaply, as has been mentioned. Part of it is lifestyle. Our family rates travel pretty near the top of our list, so we don't spend extra money on things that some family's do: we buy cars used, we don't eat out, we don't go to movies, we don't have cable, we don't drink lattes, we go to Goodwill, etc. When we travel, we do things like sleep in the car and our last several airplane trips have been free by using air miles and being quick to volunteer on stand by and stuff. Just a small sample of how we travel.

To be honest, that's the exact opposite of my family. In our family we rate travel on the lowest possible spot on the list. However, this is not my list, if it were travel would be near the top. What our family calls a "Vacation" is a 2 - 3 day long visit to New Jersey beach... Every year... Of my entire life so far... Whoop-de-doo, 80 miles to wildwood. If it was me, I'd just drive the 2 hours daily to the beach and save the money that is spent on the hotel to take an airplane trip somewhere. The best "Trip" i've ever been on in my life was a 300 mile trip... Too guess? Guess where? Virginia beach, yep, the one trip I took in my life that was farther then 150 miles was too ANOTHER BEACH. I hate beaches, everything about them, the hot sand on the mile long walk to the water-edge, the freezing cold water, the salt water that gets into your mouth, the salt water that gets into your pores and makes you feel physically disgusting, the stepping on all the live clam things on the mid section before you get into the ocean, the sun burn, sand all over your body, sand all over your food, seagulls stealing your food, the terrible stench of the ocean, Guido's, the lemonade that has so much sugar that you can't drink it, the lemonade that you ask for just a little bit of sugar that still has so much sugar you can't drink it, the lemonade where you say "forget it" and tell them to put no sugar in and it is too sour, the rides that while being the only good redeeming quality of the beach make you realize you'd rather be at an amusement park, the showers that you pay $5 on the boardwalk that are disgusting because they are never clean and there is plenty of questionable things in the one you go in... Everytime... The water that has a crappy ice flavor, the water that taste fine but is boiling hot because you didn't put any ice in, the terrible cell phone reception because its an island, the fact that giant battleship you go in is broke, and is floating more and more away from the base, and you are stuck for 45 mins why they figure a way to bring you back, that one year when we went to the beach and there was THOUSANDS of little dots in the entire, little slimy dots, the fish had laid their eggs, and you couldn't move a half centimeter in the water without touching them, the life guards telling me I am moving too far to the left, the tide pulling me out into the ocean when all I want to do is go back, big waves that crush me under the water and slam my body around, small waves that push you back when all you want to do is get out into the big waves, the fact that body surfing never works, the annoying sounds of seagulls that never shut up, bugs everywhere, sand in your shoes that wont come out, the fact that they decided to put a water-park within 100 feet of an ocean.

And the number one reason I hate the beach is because

WATCH THE TRAM CAR PLEASE.

If I hear that again, uggh...

Back on topic.

Yeah, I feel stupid for criticizing his travel, I never thought about the fact that he might have a job that makes him travel. I've honestly never met someone that did that, and thought it was something made-up for TV, it just sounds too good to be true, someone paying for you to travel, then when you aren't working, you get to enjoy the sites of wherever you had to go? That's a dream come true. Sadly, my career path won't lead to that. Whatever... I'll pay for my travels...

Well, the nice thing is that when you are on your own, you can concentrate on your own lists.

I agree with you on some of the issues with beaches. I really dislike salt water, and oceans (waves and stuff) tire me out. But the nice thing about beaches are that they are different everywhere. Some of the things that you dislike about them don't exist in other areas of the world. Probably the best beaches that we've visited were in Australia. Man oh, man, we couldn't get enough of them. I didn't swim in them myself, but I enjoyed being there.

Some of the trips that we've taken were mostly paid for by the company we work with. They have a trip every year to someplace nice. We've been to the U.S. Virgin Islands, Cabo San Lucas, Cancun (Belize, Guatemala), a couple cruises (Cozumel, Novia Scotia), Jamaica (Bahamas), and of course New York, Florida and California. We've also been a couple places due to mission/church trips, like Jamaica, Australia and a road trip to Wisconsin. We've been fortunate. There were also other business trips that weren't paid for, but were pretty essential for work, so we didn't complain. A lot of them involved road trips so we could see more. The Ozarks, Arizona, Texas, etc. The most recent one helped us add 5 new states for geocaching, OK, AL, LA, AR, and MS (as well as TX and FL). I've traveled to all the states except Hawaii, and have cached in 30 of them.

Of course, this is all very off topic. :anibad:

22k · July 16, 2011

I think I smell dirty socks

That was my first thought too

Now now, I don't smell socks right off or want to wager quatloos. It's a common question and if you get piled on for asking it why would you respond? You would think at some point we would have a friendly clear-cut answer that wouldn't require a score of responses.

bd

Edited July 16, 2011 by BlueDeuce

19k · July 16, 2011

I think I smell dirty socks

That was my first thought too

Pretty old sock, but some socks are.

7.3k · July 16, 2011

I think I smell dirty socks

That was my first thought too

Pretty old sock, but some socks are.

I have a few really old socks.

19k · July 16, 2011

I think I smell dirty socks

That was my first thought too

Pretty old sock, but some socks are.

I have a few really old socks.

Yeah, but yours smell sweet.

7.3k · July 16, 2011

I think I smell dirty socks

That was my first thought too

Pretty old sock, but some socks are.

I have a few really old socks.

Yeah, but yours smell sweet.

How would you know?!?

19k · July 16, 2011

I think I smell dirty socks

That was my first thought too

Pretty old sock, but some socks are.

I have a few really old socks.

Yeah, but yours smell sweet.

How would you know?!?

whoops...

7.3k · July 16, 2011

I think I smell dirty socks

That was my first thought too

Pretty old sock, but some socks are.

I have a few really old socks.

Yeah, but yours smell sweet.

How would you know?!?

whoops...

:angry: :anibad:

19k · July 16, 2011

I think I smell dirty socks

That was my first thought too

Pretty old sock, but some socks are.

I have a few really old socks.

Yeah, but yours smell sweet.

How would you know?!?

whoops...

Truth is... GOF told me. Promise you won't let him know that I squealed like a pig, OK?

7.3k · July 16, 2011

I think I smell dirty socks

That was my first thought too

Pretty old sock, but some socks are.

I have a few really old socks.

Yeah, but yours smell sweet.

How would you know?!?

whoops...

Truth is... GOF told me. Promise you won't let him know that I squealed like a pig, OK?

It will be our little secret. But between you and me, I'll be doing plenty of talking about him behind his back. :anibad:

2.4k · July 16, 2011

I am a Premium Member, and have one hide - for all to find. If I were to place a cache on private property (ours) I would likely make it PMO so as not to upset the neighbours. They would, however, be informed.

A delicate area, I may make that a PMO cache. If you look at an area and see the number of caches and then see how many are PMO, I think you find that more are open to all cachers.

I do not think it as snobbery, or being elitist - rather being thoughtful.

19k · July 16, 2011

I am a Premium Member, and have one hide - for all to find. If I were to place a cache on private property (ours) I would likely make it PMO so as not to upset the neighbours. They would, however, be informed.

A delicate area, I may make that a PMO cache. If you look at an area and see the number of caches and then see how many are PMO, I think you find that more are open to all cachers.

I do not think it as snobbery, or being elitist - rather being thoughtful.

I can't find it. I am in Minnesota. You are not. You are an elitist snob for not hiding it in Minnesota.

July 16, 2011

I only joined the premium membership cause i can't be bothered with individually filling up my gps, i like the pq's and also it pays for the upkeep of geocahing.com to stay in existence. as for premium caches only, i will never make one of those only because i want everyone to enjoy this activity premium or not. i don't think making premium caches only is an elite thing. i could see elitism if the premium member made only premium caches and thats it but it is there choice. thats just not sharing with the community. if it did come down to that then geocaching would fail pretty fast.

what makes geocaching an elite thing is stupid topics like "people shouldn't be able to hide caches unless they pass the 100 cache find mark" or the people who threaten to delete cache finds if they don't sign the logbook. that's just a complex issue there, thats something a spoiled brat would do is to try and take your fun away.

it's like on xboxlive. i got a gold membership but only cause i want to play online, i could care less about the other stuff that comes with it. a few of my friends have silver only because they could care less about the online experience but they do complain sometimes that playing people online should be free. it does cost money to maintain things and thats why i also pay for up-keeping what i like. sure companies are rich and could probably to afford to make this stuff really cheap but hey....with fools like me willing to keep throwing money at them. why stop?

3.6k · July 16, 2011

I think I smell dirty socks

That was my first thought too

I wonder that all along.

July 16, 2011

I think I smell dirty socks

That was my first thought too

Pretty old sock, but some socks are.

I have a few really old socks.

Yeah, but yours smell sweet.

How would you know?!?

whoops...

Truth is... GOF told me. Promise you won't let him know that I squealed like a pig, OK?

It will be our little secret. But between you and me, I'll be doing plenty of talking about him behind his back.

Did I hear something? Nahh, just a mosquito...

This has got to be the most quoted post in one post.

19k · July 16, 2011

I think I smell dirty socks

That was my first thought too

I wonder that all along.

Darned socks!!

The only problem with that concept is that somebody had to create that sock three years ago and just sit on it until today (notice, only 1 post, but 31 finds). Not too likely.

July 16, 2011

what makes geocaching an elite thing is stupid topics like "people shouldn't be able to hide caches unless they pass the 100 cache find mark" or the people who threaten to delete cache finds if they don't sign the logbook. that's just a complex issue there, thats something a spoiled brat would do is to try and take your fun away.

Its prefectly acceptable to delete found logs if they didn't sign the log book. GS has stated it.

7.3k · July 16, 2011

Did I hear something? Nahh, just a mosquito...

This has got to be the most quoted post in one post.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

7.3k · July 16, 2011

Borked the quote thingy. :anibad:

July 16, 2011

Borked the quote thingy.

This is what I got when I tried to quote my own post...

You have posted more than the allowed number of quoted blocks of text

7.3k · July 16, 2011

Borked the quote thingy.

This is what I got when I tried to quote my own post...

You have posted more than the allowed number of quoted blocks of text

Yup! Or in layman's terms, borked. :laughing:

9.3k · July 16, 2011

I hate beaches

I agree with you on some of the issues with beaches.

Though off topic, I gotta agree with the anti-beach sentiment. I live in a state where there is always a beach within 70 miles of you, and it takes an act of Congress to get me to visit one. When my kids start pestering me about going to the beach, I suggest they go to the back yard, squirt water on themselves, sprinkle salt on themselves, then roll around in the sand. They'll get all the joys of being at the beach, without me having to drive them there.

So far, they haven't concurred with my theory... :huh: :unsure: <_<

1.1k · July 16, 2011

I only joined the premium membership cause i can't be bothered with individually filling up my gps, i like the pq's and also it pays for the upkeep of geocahing.com to stay in existence. as for premium caches only, i will never make one of those only because i want everyone to enjoy this activity premium or not. i don't think making premium caches only is an elite thing. i could see elitism if the premium member made only premium caches and thats it but it is there choice. thats just not sharing with the community. if it did come down to that then geocaching would fail pretty fast.

what makes geocaching an elite thing is stupid topics like "people shouldn't be able to hide caches unless they pass the 100 cache find mark" or the people who threaten to delete cache finds if they don't sign the logbook. that's just a complex issue there, thats something a spoiled brat would do is to try and take your fun away.

it's like on xboxlive. i got a gold membership but only cause i want to play online, i could care less about the other stuff that comes with it. a few of my friends have silver only because they could care less about the online experience but they do complain sometimes that playing people online should be free. it does cost money to maintain things and thats why i also pay for up-keeping what i like. sure companies are rich and could probably to afford to make this stuff really cheap but hey....with fools like me willing to keep throwing money at them. why stop?

Couldn't have said it better myself!

19k · July 16, 2011

what makes geocaching an elite thing is stupid topics like "people shouldn't be able to hide caches unless they pass the 100 cache find mark" or the people who threaten to delete cache finds if they don't sign the logbook. that's just a complex issue there, thats something a spoiled brat would do is to try and take your fun away.

It isn't just premium members that can and do delete finds where the log book isn't signed, and the subject of not hiding caches until x is generally raised by "tadpoles"... people new at posting here, and that also has nothing at all to do with free or premium membership.

You should probably tone down the words like "stupid idea" and "spoiled brat"... only an elitist would think that their ideas are better than someone else's.

Edited July 16, 2011 by knowschad

July 16, 2011

This was a funny thread. I say throw all the dirty socks in Non premium caches as FTF prizes, and the clean ones into Premium member caches only.

The price of one year premium membership is not really all that high. I think it is worth it. Even when I stopped Geocaching for a year or so because of work and school I still kept up my membership. Why? Because I equate it to a fishing license I am supporting an activity I enjoy. The government doesn't give Groundspeak its operating budget so they have to get it by charging fee's and selling merchandise.

It's funny when people think they are entitled to certain things just because they exist. Hey I can't afford an Iphone 4G and all my friends have one, so Apple should give me one for free because all my friends are elitist jerks with their Iphones.

Premium Caches are great for things like sensitive areas. When I was new I didn't really understand the stay on the path, I thought the path was 10 feet on either side. I didn't actually bushwhack because my boy scout training kicked in and I was aware of the sensitive nature of the area I was in. New members with a free account make mistakes like I did. They also don't understand things like TB and Geo Coins. Sometimes when I am moving a coin for someone I try to drop it in a "Premium" only cache to help reduce the chance it will dissappear.

Now If I said I only go caching with Premium Members you can't come with me cause your a free account, then that would be Elitist.

Froboz

2k · July 16, 2011

Last week I was a bit upset because I brought my golf clubs to a private country club, and as I was on the 2nd tee security came over and kicked me out saying that the course was for members only. Can you believe that? Golfing is an outdoor activity that should be free to everybody, and to make a course private stanks of elitism.

People make caches PMO for various reasons, none of them being any of the CO's business. Not that it matters to the dirty old sock.

1.2k · July 16, 2011

The only reason I am a premium member is because, try as I might, I was never able to be an elitist in real life.

6.1k · July 16, 2011

Scientists say that stinky feet and socks can be added to the list of factors that attract mosquitoes to feed off human blood. One African scientist is now using that bit of research to help fight malaria in Tanzania by creating traps that give off chemically replicated smelly foot odors, hoping to lure the bloodsuckers that carry the disease to their hosts.

"Scientists have known for a long time that mosquitoes smell people; that they do not see us, but instead they smell us," wrote Dr. Fredros Okumu in an email from Tanzania where he heads the research project at the Ifakara Health Institute. "It is the things that we produce in our breath, sweat of skin that [mosquitoes] use as a signal to find us. So if you are wearing socks, these skin-derived chemicals remain on the sock fabric and can still be detected by mosquitoes even after you have removed your socks."

Okumu's project received a $775,000 grant today from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and Grand Challenges Canada to fund the traps and help further development.

But unclean feet and dirty socks aren't the only things that entice a mosquito to go in for the kill. Experts say that Limburger cheese has also been found to be attractive to certain mosquito populations. Ned Walker, a professor in the Department of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics at Michigan State University, studies mosquitoes extensively. Walker said that everything from body build to the type of perfume you wear can be the difference between deterring and attracting the pests.

"There is a variation among attraction to different people … Men tend to be more attractive because they tend to be bigger than women," said Walker, adding that the floral scents given off by deodorants and perfumes also attract some species of mosquitoes to the skin.

However, determining why some people leave a picnic covered in bites while others escape without a battle wound is still up for debate.

"There are some [species] that are attractive to the odors in humans. But what we want to know is why some mosquitoes are attracted to birds and not mammals, to some subsets of humans but not all humans. This is an active area of research," said Walker.

Joe Conlon, technical adviser at the American Mosquito Control Association, said genetics as well as fair skin may also play a role in appealing to mosquitoes, although scientists remain unsure whether the bites are simply more noticeable on people with fair skin.

And while fair skin might be more attractive to the insects, lighter colors of clothing turn them off.

"It's prudent to dress in light-colored clothing. There is a preference by some species to be attracted to darker colors… Wear loose fitting clothing. Mosquitoes can and will bite through tight-fitting clothing," he said.

Conlon said that the only surefire way of preventing mosquitoes from biting is to wear a repellant, to watch what clothes you wear and to get rid of standing water that collects in places like at the bases of flower pots and in the bottom of air conditioning drip pans.

He also cautioned against using any substitutes to DEET repellants like vitamin B, saying that double blind tests have proven these remedies not to work effectively

8.6k · July 16, 2011

I'm enjoying this thread.

I loved Coldgears's anti-beach rant.

Would it spoil some of the fun if I point out that I think the cache logged by the OP in Georgia is probably just a logging error? The other caches logged on the same date are all in Yorkshire, England and I doubt that he nipped across to Georgia, USA just for a day trip.

MrsB

July 16, 2011

Seldom has so much been said about so little, a pernicious reverse snobbery.

1.4k · July 16, 2011

I loved Coldgears's anti-beach rant.

Me too. Although mostly I was thinking how lovely to be swimming in the salty sea, on a hot day, not needing to care about where the sand got to, and what a change from most frozen, pebbly british beaches we've been to!

Coldgears - see if you can get a job at the beach selling your own home-made lemonade next time you go!

On another subject:

Do socks always come in (odd) pairs here?

1.7k · July 16, 2011

On the off chance of upsetting the geocaching community and on the off chance of repeating other posts i do not understand the snobbery of geocachers making their caches for premium members only....

Yes, i agree with premium membership but it should be up to the geocaching.com to supply a worthy service that premium membership gives (which i am certainly it does) and not up to other geocachers to enforce premium elitism.

For all those elitist snobs who only allow premium members to view their caches please feel free to attempt to think about possibly the financial situations that many non premium members may be facing possibly with a distinct lack of disposable income to afford membership.

There may be other members who have many family members all who have their own accounts but alas they ALL cannot get premium memberships.

Yes if you can afford membership then yes why not ...get it, but come on now you snobs do not kill the joy of geocaching because you can afford things others can not

A prime example as to why some Basic Members are referred to as a BM.

I am not even going to use the get a clue the % is to small to worry about and here is the proof argument. Then there is the fact that basic members still have the ability to find and log PMOCs.

Just because you have the mistaken belief that a biological accident rendering you nearly sentient and therefor entitled to what ever you think you should be, does not make it so.

7.3k · July 16, 2011

I hate beaches

I agree with you on some of the issues with beaches.

Though off topic, I gotta agree with the anti-beach sentiment. I live in a state where there is always a beach within 70 miles of you, and it takes an act of Congress to get me to visit one. When my kids start pestering me about going to the beach, I suggest they go to the back yard, squirt water on themselves, sprinkle salt on themselves, then roll around in the sand. They'll get all the joys of being at the beach, without me having to drive them there.

So far, they haven't concurred with my theory...

Ah, kids. What can you do? :huh: :laughing:

July 16, 2011

I loved Coldgears's anti-beach rant.

Me too. Although mostly I was thinking how lovely to be swimming in the salty sea, on a hot day, not needing to care about where the sand got to, and what a change from most frozen, pebbly british beaches we've been to!

Coldgears - see if you can get a job at the beach selling your own home-made lemonade next time you go!

On another subject:

Do socks always come in (odd) pairs here?

Yeap. I consider him lucky. I've swam in a sea a few times but never an ocean. Everywhere I go, is fresh water. Fouled, brackish, leech infested, scummy, putrid, stenchy, yucky fresh water. Go to an ocean beach every year? You lucky sob! Some of us envy you, you lucky dog!

6.7k · July 16, 2011

... only an elitist would think that their ideas are better than someone else's.

I always think my ideas are better than someone else's! The world would be SUCH a better place if folks would just do what I told 'em. :blink:

6.1k · July 16, 2011

Everytime I've gone in the ocean the water is unnaturally warm, and I can only imagine all the people and the sea creatures all over the planet peeing in it.

Edited July 16, 2011 by 4wheelin_fool

6.7k · July 16, 2011

Everytime I've gone in the ocean the water is unnaturally warm, and I imagine all the people and the sea creature all over the planet peeing in it.

Yet you drink water. :rolleyes:

July 16, 2011

I actually love the beach... well at least on this coast as most of the ones I go to are gravel. The salt water is awesome, all the marine life, way better then fresh water and all the lake weed. <_<

Anyway, I don't think this topic was about beaches in the first place...

In response to the OP's first sentence, you did seem to rustle up the geocaching community.

19k · July 16, 2011

... only an elitist would think that their ideas are better than someone else's.

I always think my ideas are better than someone else's! The world would be SUCH a better place if folks would just do what I told 'em.

No, those would be my ideas, not yours. But I get your drift.

19k · July 16, 2011

Everytime I've gone in the ocean the water is unnaturally warm, and I can only imagine all the people and the sea creatures all over the planet peeing in it.

Then don't go in the ocean. Use the bathrooms, before you hit the water. Its no wonder your imagination goes wild on you!

7.3k · July 16, 2011

I think that I'm very spoiled, living near Lake Chelan.

6.1k · July 16, 2011

Everytime I've gone in the ocean the water is unnaturally warm, and I can only imagine all the people and the sea creatures all over the planet peeing in it.

Then don't go in the ocean. Use the bathrooms, before you hit the water. Its no wonder your imagination goes wild on you!

Good point.

It's odd how I let that slip out.

9.3k · July 16, 2011

Fouled, brackish, leech infested, scummy, putrid, stenchy, yucky fresh water.

Sounds like my kinda place! (Swampy, that is)

1.7k · July 16, 2011

I loved Coldgears's anti-beach rant.

Me too. Although mostly I was thinking how lovely to be swimming in the salty sea, on a hot day, not needing to care about where the sand got to, and what a change from most frozen, pebbly british beaches we've been to!

Coldgears - see if you can get a job at the beach selling your own home-made lemonade next time you go!

On another subject:

Do socks always come in (odd) pairs here?

Yeap. I consider him lucky. I've swam in a sea a few times but never an ocean. Everywhere I go, is fresh water. Fouled, brackish, leech infested, scummy, putrid, stenchy, yucky fresh water. Go to an ocean beach every year? You lucky sob! Some of us envy you, you lucky dog!

WOW! Ya described most of my favorite haunts in the SE LP and all of them near the west coast. Bogs, fens, marshes and swamps, gotta love 'em.

2.4k · July 16, 2011

I am a Premium Member, and have one hide - for all to find. If I were to place a cache on private property (ours) I would likely make it PMO so as not to upset the neighbours. They would, however, be informed.

A delicate area, I may make that a PMO cache. If you look at an area and see the number of caches and then see how many are PMO, I think you find that more are open to all cachers.

I do not think it as snobbery, or being elitist - rather being thoughtful.

I can't find it. I am in Minnesota. You are not. You are an elitist snob for not hiding it in Minnesota.

I'll hide it there if you'll maintain it for me :laughing:

July 16, 2011

I wouldn't say Premium members are being snobbish by making their caches PM-only.. As someone already stated, with the rash of 'Cache Theif' or 'Forrest Defenders' out there, it's tough to keep your cache from being muggled to death. I had one of my T-W-E caches stolen by one such self-appointed Eco-Police, who seemed to follow a twisted version of the 'Leave No Trace' ideology. (It was a LPC, in the middle of a parking lot.) Yet, even since becoming a PM, (the pocket queries was the reason) my caches remain open, (what of them remain.. majority were taken. One, the creep even had the nerve to brag about it on here.

I agree, a non-PM, should be able to log a find if they're along for the ride with a PM.. but the catch-22 is.... How to protect the cache from the unscrupulous ones who would find the cache just to destroy it? There would have to be some way to have the PM add some kind of code to their find log, that only the non-PM would know, but... implementing it would be a nightmare!

Granted, $30.00/yr is steep for a lot of people on a strict budget. I didn't get mine til close to 4 years after initially signing up. Up until this year, I was actually running a slightly warm (and out-dated) version of GSAK. Even after buying the registration for that, It's still got a lot of quirks I still hate.

This also almost strikes me as the way people complained about Additional/Advanced Logging Requirement (ALRs) caches. (where you had to do something, or your log would be deleted as incomplete.)

Stephen (gelfling6)

2.4k · July 16, 2011

I'm enjoying this thread.

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Would it spoil some of the fun if I point out that I think the cache logged by the OP in Georgia is probably just a logging error? The other caches logged on the same date are all in Yorkshire, England and I doubt that he nipped across to Georgia, USA just for a day trip. MrsB

Nah! Did you notice the cache GC# on the one above the Georgia one... looks like he noticed but didn't correct the error. Two for one smiley. So far! Would that be entitlement or snobbery? Also what keyboard would have an x and 9 close together? Dang I love puzzles.

Doug 7rxc

July 16, 2011

I drive a Toyota. If I believed as the OP did, I would demand that no cars more expensive than a Toyota be allowed on the roads.

5.6k · July 16, 2011

I hate beaches

I agree with you on some of the issues with beaches.

Though off topic, I gotta agree with the anti-beach sentiment. I live in a state where there is always a beach within 70 miles of you, and it takes an act of Congress to get me to visit one. When my kids start pestering me about going to the beach, I suggest they go to the back yard, squirt water on themselves, sprinkle salt on themselves, then roll around in the sand. They'll get all the joys of being at the beach, without me having to drive them there.

So far, they haven't concurred with my theory...

Ah, kids. What can you do?

As Mark Twain said, "When a child turns 13, you put him in a barrel with only a hole to feed him through. When he turns 18, plug the hole."

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