+Burgerhead Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Hi, just a quick question. I have a great idea for a puzzle cache. There is another cache just over 0.1 miles from the coordinates of the actual cache which should be fine, however, the coordinates of the parking place for my cache which would be what is actually published are less than 0.1 miles from the existing cache. So the cache itself will be at least 0.1 miles away from the existing cache, but the the published coordinates for the parking will be too close. Is this ok? A possibility is that I could publish some slightly further away parking coordinates which are available, but this seems a little silly as then everyone who does the cache will end up parking a third of a mile further away than they have to. The other possibility is to just make it a standard cache but this particular location lends itself really well to a puzzle cache with a fun story. Also the location is not really flexible as there is a particular feature of the location that is the whole point of the cache. Thanks for your help! Will. Quote Link to comment
+Burgerhead Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share Posted July 11, 2011 Aaaagghh - "too close"! Quote Link to comment
+The Slaughter Family Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Can you contact your local reviewer? Depends I would think on the area and their discretion? Quote Link to comment
+NattyBooshka Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 (edited) Hi, just a quick question. I have a great idea for a puzzle cache. There is another cache just over 0.1 miles from the coordinates of the actual cache which should be fine, however, the coordinates of the parking place for my cache which would be what is actually published are less than 0.1 miles from the existing cache. So the cache itself will be at least 0.1 miles away from the existing cache, but the the published coordinates for the parking will be too close. Is this ok? A possibility is that I could publish some slightly further away parking coordinates which are available, but this seems a little silly as then everyone who does the cache will end up parking a third of a mile further away than they have to. The other possibility is to just make it a standard cache but this particular location lends itself really well to a puzzle cache with a fun story. Also the location is not really flexible as there is a particular feature of the location that is the whole point of the cache. Thanks for your help! Will. Hide the cache Put the car park as a waypoint (question) as it's not something you've hidden Change the co-ords of the listing to anything/anywhere you like. Start the listing with "Cache not located at the above co-ordinates" Sorted Edited July 11, 2011 by NattyBooshka Quote Link to comment
+Chief301 Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Actually, I thInk you'd be OK in this case...if I'm not mistaken the .10 mile rule only applies to physical stages of a cache, i.e. actual containers. Parking coordinates or spots where you have to go to get a puzzle clue (without there being an actual container there) don't apply, I think. I could be wrong, I don't do puzzles or multis much...check with your reviewer to make sure. Quote Link to comment
+mpilchfamily Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Just be sure to mention that the cords are for parking and not the cache cords. Much like you would if you chose a random spot on the map near the cache location for the starting cords. Since the starting cords are basically a virtual they can be within the .1 mile limit of an existing cache without a problem. Quote Link to comment
Pup Patrol Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 6. Physical elements of different geocaches should generally be at least 0.10 miles apart. This separation is 528 ft or 161 m. A physical stage is defined as any stage that contains a physical element placed by the geocache owner, such as a container or a tag with the next set of coordinates. Non-physical caches or stages including reference points, trailhead/parking coordinates and/or a question to answer waypoints are exempt from this guideline. Additionally, within a single multi-cache or mystery/puzzle cache, there is no minimum required distance between physical elements. The graphic below shows a few examples of what is and is not acceptable in terms of geocache saturation. EarthCaches are exempt from this guideline. http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=304 Quote Link to comment
+Bear and Ragged Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 You should be OK, as the physical part of the cache meets the distance guidelines. Quote Link to comment
+Burgerhead Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share Posted July 11, 2011 Fantastic, thank you all for your quick replies. I'll go ahead with it and note that KB section 6 just so the reviewer is happy that it's ok. Thanks for your help! Will. Quote Link to comment
team tisri Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Hi, just a quick question. I have a great idea for a puzzle cache. There is another cache just over 0.1 miles from the coordinates of the actual cache which should be fine, however, the coordinates of the parking place for my cache which would be what is actually published are less than 0.1 miles from the existing cache. So the cache itself will be at least 0.1 miles away from the existing cache, but the the published coordinates for the parking will be too close. Is this ok? A possibility is that I could publish some slightly further away parking coordinates which are available, but this seems a little silly as then everyone who does the cache will end up parking a third of a mile further away than they have to. The other possibility is to just make it a standard cache but this particular location lends itself really well to a puzzle cache with a fun story. Also the location is not really flexible as there is a particular feature of the location that is the whole point of the cache. Thanks for your help! Will. My understanding is that the proximity rule only applies to physical stages of a cache. So if your posted coordinates are for a suggested place to park, or some natural feature relevant to the puzzle, or the middle of a lake because you felt like posting it there, as long as there isn't a physical container hidden there it's not a problem. In my caching territory I've seen the exact same coordinates used for "question to answer" stages of two caches at the same time, I've seen multiple puzzle caches posted on top of each other where the caches were around a circuit, and each one was posted in a place that may (or may not) be a good place to park to do the circuit. The purpose of the proximity rule is to make sure people don't find one cache while looking for another. If one cache has a "question to answer" stage that says "how many steps are there up to the bridge" and another has a "question to answer" stage that says "how many arches does the bridge have" when they refer to the same bridge at the same coordinates, there is no confusion - you simply answer the question relevant to the cache you're hunting at the time. Quote Link to comment
+Mad H@ter Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 6. Physical elements of different geocaches should generally be at least 0.10 miles apart. This separation is 528 ft or 161 m. A physical stage is defined as any stage that contains a physical element placed by the geocache owner, such as a container or a tag with the next set of coordinates. Non-physical caches or stages including reference points, trailhead/parking coordinates and/or a question to answer waypoints are exempt from this guideline. Additionally, within a single multi-cache or mystery/puzzle cache, there is no minimum required distance between physical elements. The graphic below shows a few examples of what is and is not acceptable in terms of geocache saturation. EarthCaches are exempt from this guideline. http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=304 However this is not strictly true as there seems to be one of those unwritten rules/guidelines you have used the same coordinates for this cache as for your other cache GC***** (within a few feet). Now this presents a problem. Both caches will appear on a GPS screen/map on top of each other and be difficult to select. In this instance they will need to be at least 50 feet apart. So in other-words make sure your start co-ords are at least 50 feet from the existing cache. Quote Link to comment
+Red Duster Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 You've all passed today geocaching test, only physical stages are considered for proximity. P.S. physical stages within a single multi or puzzle can be less than 528 feet apart from each other. Andy Red Duster Volunteer UK Reviewer for geocaching.com UK Geocaching Information & Resources website www.follow-the-arrow.co.uk Geocaching.com Knowledge Books Quote Link to comment
+Bear and Ragged Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 You've all passed today geocaching test, only physical stages are considered for proximity. P.S. physical stages within a single multi or puzzle can be less than 528 feet apart from each other. Andy Red Duster Volunteer UK Reviewer for geocaching.com UK Geocaching Information & Resources website www.follow-the-arrow.co.uk Geocaching.com Knowledge Books Does that mean we get 'Frog Points' ? Quote Link to comment
+Red Duster Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Does that mean we get 'Frog Points' ? Of course, if you collect enough you'll get a free 35mm canister Quote Link to comment
+rutson Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Aaaagghh - "too close"! Aaaagghh = "cache"! Quote Link to comment
team tisri Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 AndyRed Duster Well that blows out my theory as to your actual identity... Quote Link to comment
+Red Duster Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Well that blows out my theory as to your actual identity... http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=273715&view=findpost&p=4717941 Quote Link to comment
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