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Geocaching.com site update May 4th 2011

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Am I the only one that don't see the GC number on the cache page now?

 

I'm seeing it fine on Chrome under Win 7.

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I just noticed that the map on the cache page has lost its map-controls. I can’t zoom in/out or switch from map view to satellite view. WinXP/Chrome & IE8.

 

Is this another ‘save resources’ take-away?

 

 

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Has any one else noticed that the blue bar on the count to next favorite point (on log page) is counting backwards? It used to get taller (grow upwards) as you logged caches, now it starts full up and gets shorter - or is it the grey bar growing downwards?

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I just noticed that the map on the cache page has lost its map-controls. I can’t zoom in/out or switch from map view to satellite view. WinXP/Chrome & IE8.

 

Is this another ‘save resources’ take-away?

 

 

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The same is here! So these maps are useless!

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Perhaps it has been mentioned before, I did not read through the entire thread, but I found that when the additional hint is long, it mixes up with the decrypting key, for instance in this cache. Something to fix for the next update.

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Not sure if this is on the radar but the "Pocket Queries ready for download" tab page does keep pocket queries that are set to run once and then delete for the 7 days. I have not had the opportunity to see if that is true of all Pocket Query settings.

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Not sure if this is on the radar but the "Pocket Queries ready for download" tab page does keep pocket queries that are set to run once and then delete for the 7 days. I have not had the opportunity to see if that is true of all Pocket Query settings.

 

That has been true ever since they introduced the "for download only" PQs.

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I just noticed that the map on the cache page has lost its map-controls. I can’t zoom in/out or switch from map view to satellite view. WinXP/Chrome & IE8.

 

Is this another ‘save resources’ take-away?

 

 

f059c0db-7cc8-47d0-8b8e-e0b95b116b0c.jpg

 

The same is here! So these maps are useless!

 

A week in and this update is going from screwed up to halfway better to a whole lot worse. I would venture to say that map functionality is just about at the top of the list of priorities for a whole lot of cachers. I don't really care what the page layout looks like, although the fixed width and the obtrusive backgrounds are ill-considered at best and downright insulting at worst. But removing zoom and switch type functions is incomprehensible. Could one of the official Groundspeak reps please let us know what the plan is with the maps?

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A week in and this update is going from screwed up to halfway better to a whole lot worse. I would venture to say that map functionality is just about at the top of the list of priorities for a whole lot of cachers. I don't really care what the page layout looks like, although the fixed width and the obtrusive backgrounds are ill-considered at best and downright insulting at worst. But removing zoom and switch type functions is incomprehensible. Could one of the official Groundspeak reps please let us know what the plan is with the maps?

I have to agree. We seem to be going backwards. I'm glad to hear the performance graph is a nice thing to look at, but the maps are not a nice thing to look at. The beta's are not really usable and the originals are broken is so many ways. Can we get the float back on the originals? That stupid fixed width really makes those maps suck and they are the only thing that is close to working. I keep going back to the thoughts that there are so many things on the feedback site that were top issues and not one of them was a new UI. Why do you continually ignore what is being asked for and give us something we did not ask for and which seems to upset a large number of people? I have noticed in this thread there are a lot of folks that have been around for a while and have not posted before but now their first post is expressing their displeasure of the site. Others that have been around for a while with only a couple posts are also expressing displeasure. It would be nice to hear what direction we are going.

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I love the new look and the ease of use, great job! The only thing I have an issue with is the "Feedback" tab sticking way out there... kinda annoying!

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I'm noticing some very strange behaviour in Chrome - namely trying to log a cache through the 'Log Your Visit' link on the cache page. It doesn't display any of the logging fields, and just has an advert in the middle of the screen instead...

 

I can try and post a screen shot if it helps... anyone else seeing this?

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I just noticed that the map on the cache page has lost its map-controls. I can't zoom in/out or switch from map view to satellite view. WinXP/Chrome & IE8.

 

Is this another 'save resources' take-away?

 

 

f059c0db-7cc8-47d0-8b8e-e0b95b116b0c.jpg

 

The same is here! So these maps are useless!

 

A week in and this update is going from screwed up to halfway better to a whole lot worse. I would venture to say that map functionality is just about at the top of the list of priorities for a whole lot of cachers. I don't really care what the page layout looks like, although the fixed width and the obtrusive backgrounds are ill-considered at best and downright insulting at worst. But removing zoom and switch type functions is incomprehensible. Could one of the official Groundspeak reps please let us know what the plan is with the maps?

 

There now is a "view dynamic map" link there. Makes me wonder even more what's going on there, and what the reasoning behind those changes is.

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There now is a "view dynamic map" link there. Makes me wonder even more what's going on there, and what the reasoning behind those changes is.

I clicked the "dynamic map" and my monitor dissolved in a puff of smoke! No, not really, but I did get a map with the zoom controls, pegman and a selection of map or sat view. Interesting, wonder why the extra click to get what use to be free?

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I just wanted to add that since the update was done I am no longer able to use my Blackberry Curve.

Not all of the home page loads up. I see the "play" tab but I'm unable to get to "hide & seek a cache"

I found away around it but it's very limited. I go do a " all near by caches" search.

BUT and this is for all caches. I can no longer see any of the past logs. Does anyone know how I can fix this on my end or what program I can use with my Blackberry.

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To help bring it back on track ...

 

I still miss the search box on the front page with my home coordinates already filled in. Can we have that back?

 

Didn't take me too long to find someone else with the same gripe as me.

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Hmmm...seems the old maps are fully back; including personalization by cache type, find and hides, PQs, list of displayed caches, and the annoying delays when scrolling and/or zooming. Can't wait for the Betas to be finished, but at least these silly things are back.

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Hmmm...seems the old maps are fully back; including personalization by cache type, find and hides, PQs, list of displayed caches, and the annoying delays when scrolling and/or zooming. Can't wait for the Betas to be finished, but at least these silly things are back.

Not quite. Get some random view. Turn on personalization, say hide my finds. Pan the map. Personalization is still on and so are the smilies. Turn off personalization, and turn it back on to get rid of the smilies.

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I'm noticing some very strange behaviour in Chrome - namely trying to log a cache through the 'Log Your Visit' link on the cache page. It doesn't display any of the logging fields, and just has an advert in the middle of the screen instead...

 

I can try and post a screen shot if it helps... anyone else seeing this?

 

Are you using GCTidy? It has not yet been updated for the GC updates and this behavior is one of the problems that popped up with it. If you gave GCTidy, disbale it until they get it fixed and you should be OK.

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This link does nothing for me on Chrome and IE8. Anyone else have that problem?

 

Works for me on FF4.

 

Groundspeak claims that these items have been completed. I don't agree. Does anyone else feel that way?

 

Kinda. Hiding founds and hides works, but unchecking the boxes doesn't bring the items back. Something still doesn't work right.

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This link does nothing for me on Chrome and IE8. Anyone else have that problem?

 

Works for me on FF4.

 

Groundspeak claims that these items have been completed. I don't agree. Does anyone else feel that way?

 

Kinda. Hiding founds and hides works, but unchecking the boxes doesn't bring the items back. Something still doesn't work right.

 

I don't seem to be smart enough to quote only part of a reply so: On the later item: For me any change to the map (movement, zoom, add filter items) negates the personalization (i.e. the smiles come back even though they are checked as 'hide'). Again; IE8 and Chrome.

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I don't seem to be smart enough to quote only part of a reply so: On the later item: For me any change to the map (movement, zoom, add filter items) negates the personalization (i.e. the smiles come back even though they are checked as 'hide'). Again; IE8 and Chrome.

 

Confirmed on FF4.

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Anyone else get an email from Geocaching.com today re "10-second Geocaching.com Survey"; Asking your opinion about fixed page width??

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Anyone else get an email from Geocaching.com today re "10-second Geocaching.com Survey"; Asking your opinion about fixed page width??

 

No, but I would have loved to. How do you rate so high?

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I don't seem to be smart enough to quote only part of a reply so: On the later item: For me any change to the map (movement, zoom, add filter items) negates the personalization (i.e. the smiles come back even though they are checked as 'hide'). Again; IE8 and Chrome.

 

Confirmed on FF4.

 

Does this me that you have the same problem on FF4?

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Does this me that you have the same problem on FF4?

 

Yes, lol.

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I don't seem to be smart enough to quote only part of a reply so: On the later item: For me any change to the map (movement, zoom, add filter items) negates the personalization (i.e. the smiles come back even though they are checked as 'hide'). Again; IE8 and Chrome.

Yes, personalization is broken on FF 3.6

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I don't seem to be smart enough to quote only part of a reply so: On the later item: For me any change to the map (movement, zoom, add filter items) negates the personalization (i.e. the smiles come back even though they are checked as 'hide'). Again; IE8 and Chrome.

 

Confirmed on FF4.

 

Does this me that you have the same problem on FF4?

 

I downloaded and installed FireFox 4 and have the same problem as I do with IE8 and Chrome. So as far as I can tell the 'standard' non-beta maps do not work correctly with IE, Chrome, or FireFox. Move the map, zoom, make a change, and the personalization is negated.

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I don't seem to be smart enough to quote only part of a reply so: On the later item: For me any change to the map (movement, zoom, add filter items) negates the personalization (i.e. the smiles come back even though they are checked as 'hide'). Again; IE8 and Chrome.

 

Confirmed on FF4.

 

Does this me that you have the same problem on FF4?

 

I downloaded and installed FireFox 4 and have the same problem as I do with IE8 and Chrome. So as far as I can tell the 'standard' non-beta maps do not work correctly with IE, Chrome, or FireFox. Move the map, zoom, make a change, and the personalization is negated.

 

Feedback item, feel free to vote.

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What about the fixed width?

I really hope were not keeping it.

 

Hopefully, enough people on the Instant Survey agree with you and me. The fixed width is terrible!

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Sorry. double posting

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This link does nothing for me on Chrome and IE8. Anyone else have that problem?

 

Works for me on FF4.

 

Groundspeak claims that these items have been completed. I don't agree. Does anyone else feel that way?

 

Kinda. Hiding founds and hides works, but unchecking the boxes doesn't bring the items back. Something still doesn't work right.

 

I don't seem to be smart enough to quote only part of a reply so: On the later item: For me any change to the map (movement, zoom, add filter items) negates the personalization (i.e. the smiles come back even though they are checked as 'hide'). Again; IE8 and Chrome.

 

The personalization works by unclicking and clicking again after a zoom :mad:

 

Why do I have to use an extra click to get dynamic map :mad: ?

 

Why did GS change that normal smilie to a strange golden one :mad: ?

 

Why is it not possible to remove that fixed width? For example, my cache cannot be solved because of that :mad: ?

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I'm noticing some very strange behaviour in Chrome - namely trying to log a cache through the 'Log Your Visit' link on the cache page. It doesn't display any of the logging fields, and just has an advert in the middle of the screen instead...

 

I can try and post a screen shot if it helps... anyone else seeing this?

 

Are you using GCTidy? It has not yet been updated for the GC updates and this behavior is one of the problems that popped up with it. If you gave GCTidy, disbale it until they get it fixed and you should be OK.

 

good call! I only installed GCTidy at the same time, as I was hoping some of the new page structure would be 'tweaked', so I hadn't even thought of that. Will confirm when I get home.

 

Cheers

 

Dave

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I love the new look and the ease of use, great job! The only thing I have an issue with is the "Feedback" tab sticking way out there... kinda annoying!

 

I took care of that with two clicks! (hint Firefox w/ adblock plus and adblock plus element hider)

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I just noticed that the map on the cache page has lost its map-controls. I can't zoom in/out or switch from map view to satellite view. WinXP/Chrome & IE8.

 

Is this another 'save resources' take-away?

 

 

f059c0db-7cc8-47d0-8b8e-e0b95b116b0c.jpg

 

The same is here! So these maps are useless!

 

A week in and this update is going from screwed up to halfway better to a whole lot worse. I would venture to say that map functionality is just about at the top of the list of priorities for a whole lot of cachers. I don't really care what the page layout looks like, although the fixed width and the obtrusive backgrounds are ill-considered at best and downright insulting at worst. But removing zoom and switch type functions is incomprehensible. Could one of the official Groundspeak reps please let us know what the plan is with the maps?

 

There now is a "view dynamic map" link there. Makes me wonder even more what's going on there, and what the reasoning behind those changes is.

 

Whatever the reason, the tools are there again, nice! Thanks Nate!

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Anyone else get an email from Geocaching.com today re "10-second Geocaching.com Survey"; Asking your opinion about fixed page width??

 

No, but I would have loved to. How do you rate so high?

 

Nope.

 

They send this things to a set amount of users I believe. Not select, just set... you do not rate low Oldman!

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I just noticed this. The text color has been changed for archived caches where it says:

 

This cache has been archived, but is available for viewing for archival purposes.

 

This cache has been archived, but is available for viewing for archival purposes. - This is much better. Isn't this the color it was before the recent change?

 

I'm not getting any younger and the dark red looks close enough to black for me to not notice that a cache has been archived. Please change it back!

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I just noticed this. The text color has been changed for archived caches where it says:

 

This cache has been archived, but is available for viewing for archival purposes.

 

This cache has been archived, but is available for viewing for archival purposes. - This is much better. Isn't this the color it was before the recent change?

 

I'm not getting any younger and the dark red looks close enough to black for me to not notice that a cache has been archived. Please change it back!

No, that color change was made in a previous update.

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Home coords are off somewhere in cyber space for me - clicked on "find my location" and a balloon popped up saying "Groundspeak wants to know your location."

edit to add - this was using FF 4.1

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I don't seem to be smart enough to quote only part of a reply so: On the later item: For me any change to the map (movement, zoom, add filter items) negates the personalization (i.e. the smiles come back even though they are checked as 'hide'). Again; IE8 and Chrome.

 

Confirmed on FF4.

 

Does this me that you have the same problem on FF4?

 

I downloaded and installed FireFox 4 and have the same problem as I do with IE8 and Chrome. So as far as I can tell the 'standard' non-beta maps do not work correctly with IE, Chrome, or FireFox. Move the map, zoom, make a change, and the personalization is negated.

 

I have to wonder what version of what browser the developers that programmed this are working with. I can only assume that it is working properly with that version, right?

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I love the new look and the ease of use, great job! The only thing I have an issue with is the "Feedback" tab sticking way out there... kinda annoying!

 

I took care of that with two clicks! (hint Firefox w/ adblock plus and adblock plus element hider)

 

Shouldn't have to. Very few geocachers are tech savvy enough to even know what you are talking about, much less, to do it.

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I don't seem to be smart enough to quote only part of a reply so: On the later item: For me any change to the map (movement, zoom, add filter items) negates the personalization (i.e. the smiles come back even though they are checked as 'hide'). Again; IE8 and Chrome.

 

Confirmed on FF4.

 

Does this me that you have the same problem on FF4?

 

I downloaded and installed FireFox 4 and have the same problem as I do with IE8 and Chrome. So as far as I can tell the 'standard' non-beta maps do not work correctly with IE, Chrome, or FireFox. Move the map, zoom, make a change, and the personalization is negated.

 

I have to wonder what version of what browser the developers that programmed this are working with. I can only assume that it is working properly with that version, right?

It is a well know problem, there is a feedback thread. The maps are broken as described. HQ is a bit touchy about the problem.

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Oh no! I just came back from a short break and found most of my cache pages garbled. What happened?

 

Trying to assess the damage here. One of my cache pages (this one) relied on the fact that I could use a 30000px-wide and 1px high white image to extend the cache page horizontally. I turned the large space that was thus created into a giant cache maze. Got a lot of nice feedback on that one. Alas, no more.

 

For other pages, the images are screwed up. Images that nicely aligned with surrounding text now either fall back to a small scaled version or take up an entire paragraph without the text wrapping around it.

 

Is there an overview of which HTML is not allowed anymore? The edit-a-cache-page says "You can use HTML in any of the description fields below with the exception of JavaScript and other embedded code."

 

I noticed that simple instructions like:

 

<table align="right" hspace=10 vspace=10><img ...>

 

to position an image do not work anymore. Is it me using non-standard HTML or is geocaching.com a little bit too strict here?

 

Would be nice to have an overview of code that helps to place images nicely on the page.

 

For now, the feedback idea to reverse this has my votes!

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Seems that we are facing a rainy weekend which may keep many home instead of out caching. Perhaps some time spent reading about web site design would help members of this forum to understand what Groundspeak is going through.

 

Do a google search on ----- web design fluid vs fixed ----- or something similar. There are many knowledgeable folks out there in the web design world who differ in their opinions of which is the better approach. As with many of the situations we all encounter, there is no one right answer and certainly no easy answer. Also, check the dates on the articles; this debate has been "raging" since about 2006 and continues into 2011.

 

Since the geocaching site update, I've been paying more attention to some of the sites I view regularly. The NY Times, Washington Post and Philadephia Inquirer all seem to use a fixed width. So do CNN, ESPN and Nascar. Actually, this morning the Nascar homepage seems to have a tiled background which fills the white space on both sides of the fixed width content and provides a rather distracting and garish border on both sides of the content. Go take a look at these sites or perhaps the sites you visit frequently and compare their layouts to the work that Groundspeak is doing with our favorite site.

 

I think we would all agree that Groundspeak is trying to improve the site. A major hindrance for Groundspeak is one that is also very common among many large organizations. They just don't seem to communicate their intentions very well at times. When an update occurs, almost everyone in the Groundspeak user community seems to be surprised by some of the new features and the effects of those features.

 

If we had known what the goals of the new site update were, we might have understood why some of the changes in appearance occurred. If there were some way to choose between the "old" design and the "new" design during a transitional period, the user community might have been more accepting of the changes.

 

Many people just don't like change. Many people think about change within the confines of their own experience and don't consider how many other users might be involved. There are changes that haven't been addressed that are sorely needed from within my experience. I don't particularly care for the layout of the Hide and Seek a Cache page. The items that I use are at the bottom of the page forcing me to scroll down. Other users may need frequent access to the choices toward the top and those users see no reason to make a change.

 

All in all, I hope that Groundspeak keeps improving the site and their communications with all of the members of the geocaching community.

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For awhile the beta maps for me were tolerable and then suddenly last weekend or so if I zoom the caches just flat out vanish from the map meaning I have to use the map zoomed out which renders it kind of useless for me when I'm doing my rural caching trying to find roads not yet on the road maps.

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Also, check the dates on the articles; this debate has been "raging" since about 2006 and continues into 2011.
Since only 2006? I joined the Web Design Group in 1998, and the the debate between fixed-width and fluid design was already raging. Those weren't necessarily the terms that were being used, but the issues were the same.

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Is there an overview of which HTML is not allowed anymore?

 

Anything that might control the with of an element :(

Om my cachepage a small table got extended to the whole width of the page: Ugly :mad:

 

For now, the feedback idea to reverse this has my votes!

 

Unfortunately this in the top 50, which means HQ will ignore it:

http://feedback.geocaching.com/forums/75775-geocaching-com/suggestions/1788753-listen-to-your-customers-and-have-a-look-at-the-to

 

Tc

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