Rookie Questions

[+neohiocacher]

I have a couple of questions as a rookie.

First:

Why is it a multi can not be scored as a multi find?

Meaning for a 3 stage multi, why doesn't it count for 3?

Some multis are very challenging.

I really enjoy the multis but sometimes they can cover a great distance.

 

My other question is:

If I find a cache and it later get moved from it original location per the cache owners description, can I search it out again and claimed as a find if found?

 

Thanks

Edited April 29, 2011 by neohiocacher

[+hzoi]

Here's how I play. Not definitive, but I think we're not the only ones who play this way.

 

On the multis, a multi cache may have several stages, but they are all part of the same cache listing, and there is only one log, at the final. One signature = one smiley. There are a number of multis that are miles long, I've done a few. I don't do them for the numbers, I do them for the challenge and for the time spent outside.

 

On the moved caches, sometimes a cache owner will specify that previous finders can come back and claim another find. If they haven't, don't. (I wouldn't log a second find on a cache in any case, but again, that's how I play.)

[+hzoi]

p.s. As a cache owner, I own several multi-stage caches, and I've moved some existing caches to new locations. I would delete any multiple logs I found on our caches.

[+DadOf6Furrballs]

I look at multi's as simply a prescribed and pre-defined route to the cache. It's just one container, one logbook, one smiley at the end of the journey.

[+Gan Dalf]

I have a couple of questions as a rookie.

First:

Why is it a multi can not be scored as a multi find?

Meaning for a 3 stage multi, why doesn't it count for 3?

Some multis are very challenging.

I really enjoy the multis but sometimes they can cover a great distance.

 

This is one of the reasons why multi's are the least found physical cache type on most peoples profiles and the reason I rarely do them. Multi Caches are made in a variety of ways and contrary to what others have said often DO employ more than one container. They can also be made where you have to go to a location and gather information from some permanant feature there to find the next waypoint and only have a single container at the end.

 

As to why you only get one smiley, well I think that does have to do with the single listing answer that someone else gave. Also multis have variable numbers of waypoints. The coding for implementing the number of waypoints in a multi and giving credit for finding each could be problematic. Another thing is that multi's can sometimes be accomplished without finding all of the Waypoints. How would you verify that? You'd have to have a log book at each stage... I guess what I am saying is that it is just too complicated.

 

My other question is:

If I find a cache and it later get moved from it original location per the cache owners description, can I search it out again and claimed as a find if found?

 

I have a cache (a multi incidently) that I moved from it's orignial location and told people that they could find it again if they liked. It was only my second hide and I moved it to a wildly different type of location, more than a mile from where it was originally so it seemed to be the right thing to do at the time. As I said, I was new, I would not do it again, and any double logging that occurs on any of my caches get deleted. One find per cache is the way I play...

[+kpanko]

Why is it a multi can not be scored as a multi find?

Meaning for a 3 stage multi, why doesn't it count for 3?

This game is not a competition. We are not keeping score.

 

If we wanted to keep score, we would need to make difficulty 5 be "worth" more than difficulty 1.

 

There is a 14 stage cache near me. It only increased my number by 1. It took 3 trips to the park to find it.

 

Everybody knows some caches are hard and some are easy. Just because someone has (8430) next to their name, that does not mean they won the game.

[+Gan Dalf]

Why is it a multi can not be scored as a multi find?

Meaning for a 3 stage multi, why doesn't it count for 3?

This game is not a competition. We are not keeping score.

 

That might be true for you, but others it decidedly is and they are indeed keeping score. If that were true for everyone, then websites like this would not exist.

Edited April 29, 2011 by FobesMan

[+Crow-T-Robot]

I have a couple of questions as a rookie.

First:

Why is it a multi can not be scored as a multi find?

Meaning for a 3 stage multi, why doesn't it count for 3?

Some multis are very challenging.

I really enjoy the multis but sometimes they can cover a great distance.

Thanks

I own a five stage multi that takes you around to various points of interest in a park. If you find the stages and the final, you get a find and a smiley. If I had hid five seperate caches that took you to the same places in the park, you could find them and get five smileys. The only thing about the experience that changed is the number of smileys. I know some cachers (ok, probably most) would rather get rewarded with more smileys but I don't see what the big deal is if you get less smileys.

[+mlkluther]

I found my first multi last weekend. It was a challenge and we got lost and ended up on the wrong side of a fast running creek about 50m from stage 2. It was frustrating and had to make along walk around and back up another trail to get the find. Oh, did I mention I had my 4,6, and 8 year olds with me? :-) So it only counted as 1 more find. However, it was a beautiful walk on a beautiful day and it was a challenge. So, who cares about the numbers? I suppose if the numbers were really important to a person then they wouldn't do multis.

[+mpilchfamily]

Multis are what they are. If the owners wanted them to count for multiple smilies they would have put it all together as a series. If you like the idea of multis but what more smiles then find some series. Ofter they will be several different caches with there own listing but follow a similar theme. Each one giving a clue that will send you to the final cache in the series. Often the starting caches are smaller then the final to help give more incentive to complete the series. Where i'm at there was a series set by the parks and recreation service with a cache in different parks. In each cache was a rubber stamp. You would download a stamp book then go out and fill it with the stamp. When you sent the book back in they would send you a Geocoin for completing the series.

[+Gitchee-Gummee]

 

If I find a cache and it later get moved from it original location per the cache owners description, can I search it out again and claimed as a find if found?

 

Thanks

An easy way to decide this one -- Same GC# = No; Different GC# = Yes.

 

Your post makes it seem that you are interested in "finds" stats. If you want the stats to ultimately say something like "513 finds on 499 unique caches", go ahead and make multiple finds on already found caches. It's your game.

[+redsox_mark]

As others have said. Some caches are more difficult than others. If one's objective is to get as high of a find count as possible, then it is best to stick to traditional caches (and low difficult/terrain).

 

For me, the fun of geocaching is about getting there; and often a physical and/or mental challenge. I've spent hours finding a single multi cache or puzzle, and enjoyed that. Other days I've done a ring of traditionals, and found 20 caches in the same amount of time.

 

If you exclude caches which require a lot of time and effort to find (regardless of type), you'll miss out on some special ones.

[+hzoi]

Out of our 3,422 finds, 203 have been multis, just under 6%. But of the 127 caches we've put on our favorites list, 22 have been multis, about 17-18%. Though they're less common, we've found that multis just seem to be on average better thought out and thus more fun to search out.

[+sbell111]

 

If I find a cache and it later get moved from it original location per the cache owners description, can I search it out again and claimed as a find if found?

 

Thanks

An easy way to decide this one -- Same GC# = No; Different GC# = Yes.

That is a good answer, for you. However, a more complete answer is that cachers are able to log such a cache twice with the approval of the cache owner.

[+Ike 13]

Just because there are stats programs does not mean we're keeping score.

 

One GC = one find. I know some owners and challenges allow for more, but I don't do it.

 

I have only had the pleasure of finding 53 multis. Part of that is due to lack of mutlis around me and the fact that I don't do them on trips unless I know the level of commitment going in (or they look very awesome). I own two multis. Both incorporate finding information around/on historical monuments buildings. This is the perfect way to showcase these.

[+Geogamy & Sheldor]

Hi all,

 

I am a rookie, and to a certain extent it is about the numbers with me...

 

I was on my statistics page and to my horror it turns out I have 468 finds on 465 unique caches. I desperately want to delete these extra logs that have accidentally shot me up by three- because when I do find my 500th/1000th/whatever cache, I want it to mean something. Because it does to me...

 

So does anyone know a quick way to work out which three have double logs? I just can't seem to spot them

 

Please don't chastise me on the accidental doubles- they were in error. I assumed originally that the difference was due to event caches which had no physical place, but when I attended my 4th I realised that couldn't be causing the discrepency.

 

Geogamy (on behalf of Geogamy & Sheldor)

[+Spraginator]

First, download GSAK

 

In GSAK, with your My Finds PQ loaded, to to the Filters dialog, "Other" tab. Near the bottom, see the My Found Count drop down and change it to Greater Than or Equal to 2. Click the Go button, and any cache that you have logged more than once will be listed.

 

Copied this from another forum topic. I'm not skilled enough to link to it. Hope this helps.

[+Geogamy & Sheldor]

Thanks Spraginator!

 

Will give this a whirl tomorrow- with any luck it'll sort out everything

Can't wait to feel legitimate again- it feels fraudulent to have our number declare us further than we are...

 

Geogamy

[+GeoGeeBee]

Will give this a whirl tomorrow- with any luck it'll sort out everything

Can't wait to feel legitimate again- it feels fraudulent to have our number declare us further than we are...

 

Don't let it bother you. It's only a number, it doesn't mean anything.

[+bflentje]

My next milestone is at 1001110001000 cache finds.

 

Oh, am I supposed to be using the decimal numbering system?

[+cmhall9]

I've come across a couple of multi caches where the stages between the first and final are plates with the next coordinate written on them.