Inappropriate placement of nanos and micros

[+headmj]

I just found a geocache that was magnetic nano (about the size of a thimble) and I had to reach up into an operating soda vending machine to retrieve it. This just seems very wrong and is an excellent example of why I hate micros. Should this kind of hide be allowed? I think that this kind of hide should not be allowed. I should NEVER have to put my hand in an energized electric device. This includes light poles and other municipal equipment.

 

I'd appreciate your input.

 

Mike

[+2hypergirls]

I am new too. That is totally uncalled for and just plain stupid. I would send an email to Groundspeak people letting them know of the situation. The one super tiny micro I found was on the underside of a picnic table in a park. Much more appropriate.

[mresoteric]

I bet there are some nice caches in the woods in your area. We got tons of them here.

[GOF and Bacall]

While I agree that these hides are not a good idea there is nothing that says you have to reach into anything. You could have just walked away.

[+the4dirtydogs]

I wouldn't put out a cache like this. You don't have to find EVERY cache out there. Do the caches you like and have fun finding them. There are a lot of caches out there that are inappropriate, but I guess the real debate is what is considered inappropriate.

[+rav_bunneh]

Since the advent of soda machines millions of people have reached their hand into them to retrieve their sodas. I'd be more concerned that soda machines are private property.

[+jmw61]

I don't like micro's or nano's either, but nobody can MAKE me put my hand in anything. I'd have just passed this one by.....

[+headmj]

I appreciate that I don't have to do this. I think this is UNSAFE. You had to reach well past where you would have retrieved a can of soda. This stuff is outside and I don't think we should be tempting the terminally dumb to do stupid things.

 

Mike

[GOF and Bacall]

[+t4e]

I appreciate that I don't have to do this. I think this is UNSAFE. You had to reach well past where you would have retrieved a can of soda. This stuff is outside and I don't think we should be tempting the terminally dumb to do stupid things.

 

Mike

 

but, but...what would happen to the Darwin Award each year?

[+Ike 13]

1) Not all micros are bad.

2) Some areas have more issues than others.

3) That cache is obviously on private property and probably lacks permission. Log a NA or send the GC code to the reviewer.

[+the4dirtydogs]

I appreciate that I don't have to do this. I think this is UNSAFE. You had to reach well past where you would have retrieved a can of soda. This stuff is outside and I don't think we should be tempting the terminally dumb to do stupid things.

 

Mike

I got a good laugh at the terminally dumb to do stupid things line. I laughed even harder because you actually found the cache So what does that make you?

[+niraD]

I think this is UNSAFE. You had to reach well past where you would have retrieved a can of soda.

I'm not convinced that it's that unsafe. Believe it or not, vending machine designers actually anticipate people reaching into them further than is necessary to retrieve the product.

 

Not that safety (or lack thereof) is a determining factor in whether a cache should be listed. Most genuine 5-star terrain environments are very dangerous to people who lack the necessary equipment and/or training.

 

As rav_bunneh indicated, I think the most likely listing issue is a lack of adequate permission.

[+Mom-n-Andy]

I appreciate that I don't have to do this. I think this is UNSAFE. You had to reach well past where you would have retrieved a can of soda. This stuff is outside and I don't think we should be tempting the terminally dumb to do stupid things.

 

Mike

 

but, but...what would happen to the Darwin Award each year?

 

You have to actually die or be otherwise rendered incapable of conributing to the gene pool to get a Darwin Award.

 

I am curious how the OP knew that the nano would be up inside a soda machine?

[+Sharks-N-Beans]

Since the advent of soda machines millions of people have reached their hand into them to retrieve their sodas. I'd be more concerned that soda machines are private property.

 

So help me out here (seriously not sure of the definition). What constitutes adequate permission on a device placed for public use such as a pay phone, drinking fountain or, in this case a soda machine?

[+StarBrand]

The issue is not one of safety but rather one of permission. I seriously doubt such a cache had permission.

 

....and, if I may ask, why in the world did you stick your hand so far up in the machine that you actually found the thing??!!??

[mresoteric]

I appreciate that I don't have to do this. I think this is UNSAFE. You had to reach well past where you would have retrieved a can of soda. This stuff is outside and I don't think we should be tempting the terminally dumb to do stupid things.

 

Mike

I got a good laugh at the terminally dumb to do stupid things line. I laughed even harder because you actually found the cache So what does that make you?

 

 

I gotta grab a paper towel and clean off my monitor now.

[+KBLAST]

A little searching and I found the cache. Sure enough, he got permission from the owner.

Edited April 8, 2011 by KBLAST

[+Sharks-N-Beans]

Permission, fun, good location if you like smoked fish and a favorite of someone...what's the problem?

[+Colonial Cats]

I guess I should archieve my "Nano in the Wood Chipper" cache.

[GOF and Bacall]

I guess I should archieve my "Nano in the Wood Chipper" cache.

 

Stumpy says it's about dang time!

 

(He'd type this himself but, well, you know what with the incident, and his fingers and all...)

[GOF and Bacall]

Since the advent of soda machines millions of people have reached their hand into them to retrieve their sodas. I'd be more concerned that soda machines are private property.

 

So help me out here (seriously not sure of the definition). What constitutes adequate permission on a device placed for public use such as a pay phone, drinking fountain or, in this case a soda machine?

 

Asking the owner or his representative if it's ok to do so.

[GOF and Bacall]

A little searching and I found the cache. Sure enough, he got permission from the owner.

 

55 miles from home. I think I may check it out soon.It will be a nice cruise on the bike.

[Keystone]

... I think the most likely listing issue is a lack of adequate permission.

Now that KBLAST has located the listing, I think the most likely listing issue is a faint whiff of commercialism.

 

The issue is not one of safety but rather one of permission. I seriously doubt such a cache had permission.

As was shown here, you'd be surprised how often caches like this have permission. Well less than half of urban micros hidden with permission will have cache pages that say this. The owners are happy to tell me this privately, however... often with contact information. Since so many ARE hidden with permission, I can assume that the rest do until proven otherwise. Or until Wal-Mart adopts an official geocaching policy so I have to ask prior to publication.

 

A little searching and I found the cache. Sure enough, he got permission from the owner.

Thanks for finding the listing. The permission statement really ends the discussion, other than the safety angle. I will tell the New York reviewer to archive this unsafe vending machine cache, but only after I first archive every tree climbing cache in the State of Ohio.

[knowschad]

I just found a geocache that was magnetic nano (about the size of a thimble) and I had to reach up into an operating soda vending machine to retrieve it. This just seems very wrong and is an excellent example of why I hate micros. Should this kind of hide be allowed? I think that this kind of hide should not be allowed. I should NEVER have to put my hand in an energized electric device. This includes light poles and other municipal equipment.

 

I'd appreciate your input.

 

Mike

 

But apparently you DID put your hand in there. Why would you do such a thing?

[knowschad]

Careful, now... its only post #9.

[+StarBrand]

Good to hear permission was obtained.

[knowschad]

I guess I should archieve my "Nano in the Wood Chipper" cache.

 

That's the one up in Fargo, ND, isn't it?

[+Colonial Cats]

I guess I should archieve my "Nano in the Wood Chipper" cache.

 

That's the one up in Fargo, ND, isn't it?

Why yes it is!

[Mr.Yuck]

Good to hear permission was obtained.

 

Amazingly enough, this obnoxious, loud-mouthed, ammo box in the woods loving old-schooler has found the cache in question! A nano in a soda machine was actually very innovative in 2005. I specifically remember going for it because the cache page mentioned permission, and it's a nice location at a marina.

 

Now out front of Wal-Mart near the front door in the 35 cent a can Sam's Brand soda machine, that's a whole 'nother thing.

Edited April 8, 2011 by Mr.Yuck

[+KBLAST]

A little searching and I found the cache. Sure enough, he got permission from the owner.

Thanks for finding the listing. The permission statement really ends the discussion, other than the safety angle. I will tell the New York reviewer to archive this unsafe vending machine cache, but only after I first archive every tree climbing cache in the State of Ohio.

Holy cow!!! Are you trying to destroy all geocaching around Columbus, Cincinnati, and Dayton?!!!

[+Sharks-N-Beans]

Since the advent of soda machines millions of people have reached their hand into them to retrieve their sodas. I'd be more concerned that soda machines are private property.

 

So help me out here (seriously not sure of the definition). What constitutes adequate permission on a device placed for public use such as a pay phone, drinking fountain or, in this case a soda machine?

 

Asking the owner or his representative if it's ok to do so.

What I was looking for here was the difference between adequate and explicit permission. I have seen both terms used in this forum as if there was a distinction. Your reply seems like explicit permission.

[Clan Riffster]

But... but... We can't end it like this! It's an urban micro for gosh sake! Surely we can come up with something negative to say!

How 'bout we question the validity of the permission giver? After all, most soda vending machines are not owned by the businesses they reside at. If the cache owner got permission for the hide from the business owner, but not the vending machine owner, we could continue bashing the hide, right?

[GOF and Bacall]

Since the advent of soda machines millions of people have reached their hand into them to retrieve their sodas. I'd be more concerned that soda machines are private property.

 

So help me out here (seriously not sure of the definition). What constitutes adequate permission on a device placed for public use such as a pay phone, drinking fountain or, in this case a soda machine?

 

Asking the owner or his representative if it's ok to do so.

What I was looking for here was the difference between adequate and explicit permission. I have seen both terms used in this forum as if there was a distinction. Your reply seems like explicit permission.

 

Yes it is. But for a cache on private property like this explicit permission should be the minimum adequate permission. In a public park with no rules to the contrary assumed permission may be adequate. Each hide needs to be evaluated on its own merits. Some hides require a written permit as the minimum adequate permission acceptable.

[GOF and Bacall]

But... but... We can't end it like this! It's an urban micro for gosh sake! Surely we can come up with something negative to say!

How 'bout we question the validity of the permission giver? After all, most soda vending machines are not owned by the businesses they reside at. If the cache owner got permission for the hide from the business owner, but not the vending machine owner, we could continue bashing the hide, right?

 

How about this. Soda vending machine hides should be banned because sugary drinks are bad for you. My God! Think of the chinldren!

[Clan Riffster]

What I was looking for here was the difference between adequate and explicit permission.

Explicit permission is when someone with authority to do so, such as a property owner or land manager, gives formal permission for a cache. Adequate permission is usually when a hide is placed in an area that does not require explicit permission. An example of this is the parks in Seminole County Florida. These properties are governed by two different entities, Seminole County Parks & Recreation, and Seminole County Natural Lands. The former has stated that they believe Geocaching is a benign recreational activity with it's own methods of governing already in place. As such, they don't require any permits, notifications or even verbal permission. Feel free to hide caches there. You already have adequate permission. However, the latter has a rigid permit process in place for geocaches. Hiding one there requires formal permission.

[+Hemlock]

I will tell the New York reviewer to archive this unsafe vending machine cache, but only after I first archive every tree climbing cache in the State of Ohio.

While you're doing that, I'll archive all the caches in California where one might be bitten by a rattlesnake or a tick which carries Lyme Disease, which should be about 95% of the caches.

 

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[Clan Riffster]

My God! Think of the chinldren!

I thought we established years ago that Groundspeak hates chinldren?

[GOF and Bacall]

My God! Think of the chinldren!

I thought we established years ago that Groundspeak hates chinldren?

 

No, I don't think they do hate chinldren. They just don't care about them.

[+Sharks-N-Beans]

Since the advent of soda machines millions of people have reached their hand into them to retrieve their sodas. I'd be more concerned that soda machines are private property.

 

So help me out here (seriously not sure of the definition). What constitutes adequate permission on a device placed for public use such as a pay phone, drinking fountain or, in this case a soda machine?

 

Asking the owner or his representative if it's ok to do so.

What I was looking for here was the difference between adequate and explicit permission. I have seen both terms used in this forum as if there was a distinction. Your reply seems like explicit permission.

 

Yes it is. But for a cache on private property like this explicit permission should be the minimum adequate permission. In a public park with no rules to the contrary assumed permission may be adequate. Each hide needs to be evaluated on its own merits. Some hides require a written permit as the minimum adequate permission acceptable.

So I may have adequate permission to place a cache on say a newspaper box located on a city sidewalk which I am rightfully able to be at any time of day just by my right to be there, whereas a cache on a similar paper box located at the front door of a private business may require explicit permission from the property owner?

[+JL_HSTRE]

I think this is a bad hide because it's not a good idea to encourage people to stick their hands up inside soda machines. Not the same thing as sticking it on the outside of such a machine, under a water fountain, on a payphone, or even most LPCs.

 

That said, being unsafe is currently not grounds for removal, especially with clearly stated property owner's permission. Probably a classic case of "Reviewer held nose while clicking the Publish button".

 

I would recommend just refraining from hunting urban micros since they're generally not to your liking.

[GOF and Bacall]

Since the advent of soda machines millions of people have reached their hand into them to retrieve their sodas. I'd be more concerned that soda machines are private property.

 

So help me out here (seriously not sure of the definition). What constitutes adequate permission on a device placed for public use such as a pay phone, drinking fountain or, in this case a soda machine?

 

Asking the owner or his representative if it's ok to do so.

What I was looking for here was the difference between adequate and explicit permission. I have seen both terms used in this forum as if there was a distinction. Your reply seems like explicit permission.

 

Yes it is. But for a cache on private property like this explicit permission should be the minimum adequate permission. In a public park with no rules to the contrary assumed permission may be adequate. Each hide needs to be evaluated on its own merits. Some hides require a written permit as the minimum adequate permission acceptable.

So I may have adequate permission to place a cache on say a newspaper box located on a city sidewalk which I am rightfully able to be at any time of day just by my right to be there, whereas a cache on a similar paper box located at the front door of a private business may require explicit permission from the property owner?

 

Not quite right. You should get explicit permission for that paper box as it is private property. Look at it like this. If you park your bicycle in a public bike rack would it be ok if I put my bike lock on it? It's on public property that I am allowed to access.

[+the4dirtydogs]

My God! Think of the chinldren!

I thought we established years ago that Groundspeak hates chinldren?

 

No, I don't think they do hate chinldren. They just don't care about them.

Great guys now my daughter(7) thinks the Frog hates her.

[+KBLAST]

Since the advent of soda machines millions of people have reached their hand into them to retrieve their sodas. I'd be more concerned that soda machines are private property.

 

So help me out here (seriously not sure of the definition). What constitutes adequate permission on a device placed for public use such as a pay phone, drinking fountain or, in this case a soda machine?

 

Asking the owner or his representative if it's ok to do so.

What I was looking for here was the difference between adequate and explicit permission. I have seen both terms used in this forum as if there was a distinction. Your reply seems like explicit permission.

 

Yes it is. But for a cache on private property like this explicit permission should be the minimum adequate permission. In a public park with no rules to the contrary assumed permission may be adequate. Each hide needs to be evaluated on its own merits. Some hides require a written permit as the minimum adequate permission acceptable.

So I may have adequate permission to place a cache on say a newspaper box located on a city sidewalk which I am rightfully able to be at any time of day just by my right to be there, whereas a cache on a similar paper box located at the front door of a private business may require explicit permission from the property owner?

 

Not quite right. You should get explicit permission for that paper box as it is private property. Look at it like this. If you park your bicycle in a public bike rack would it be ok if I put my bike lock on it? It's on public property that I am allowed to access.

I hate all the quotes, but I don't want to go outside of context (though it is getting kind of pretty.) Anyway, I totally disagree with this response. I'm not arguing that the paper box does or doesn't need permission, but I disagree with the comparison completely. We are NOT affecting use of the paper box or restricting use of the box in any way by placing a cache there. It would be more like placing a nano on the spokes of my bicycle. I doubt I'd ever notice it, if I did I would just get rid of it, and if I decided to use my bike, your nano would most likely be GONE.

[GOF and Bacall]

My God! Think of the chinldren!

I thought we established years ago that Groundspeak hates chinldren?

 

No, I don't think they do hate chinldren. They just don't care about them.

Great guys now my daughter(7) thinks the Frog hates her.

 

You should NEVER let a frog talk to your daughter alone.

[GOF and Bacall]

Since the advent of soda machines millions of people have reached their hand into them to retrieve their sodas. I'd be more concerned that soda machines are private property.

 

So help me out here (seriously not sure of the definition). What constitutes adequate permission on a device placed for public use such as a pay phone, drinking fountain or, in this case a soda machine?

 

Asking the owner or his representative if it's ok to do so.

What I was looking for here was the difference between adequate and explicit permission. I have seen both terms used in this forum as if there was a distinction. Your reply seems like explicit permission.

 

Yes it is. But for a cache on private property like this explicit permission should be the minimum adequate permission. In a public park with no rules to the contrary assumed permission may be adequate. Each hide needs to be evaluated on its own merits. Some hides require a written permit as the minimum adequate permission acceptable.

So I may have adequate permission to place a cache on say a newspaper box located on a city sidewalk which I am rightfully able to be at any time of day just by my right to be there, whereas a cache on a similar paper box located at the front door of a private business may require explicit permission from the property owner?

 

Not quite right. You should get explicit permission for that paper box as it is private property. Look at it like this. If you park your bicycle in a public bike rack would it be ok if I put my bike lock on it? It's on public property that I am allowed to access.

I hate all the quotes, but I don't want to go outside of context (though it is getting kind of pretty.) Anyway, I totally disagree with this response. I'm not arguing that the paper box does or doesn't need permission, but I disagree with the comparison completely. We are NOT affecting use of the paper box or restricting use of the box in any way by placing a cache there. It would be more like placing a nano on the spokes of my bicycle. I doubt I'd ever notice it, if I did I would just get rid of it, and if I decided to use my bike, your nano would most likely be GONE.

 

I knew it would go this way. I never said I'd lock the bike up. Just lock my lock to your bike. Same as using the paper box for your cache. It is private property. It wouldn't be right. If you hid a cache on a paper box without asking you are assuming permission. That does not mean that it is adequate.

[+the4dirtydogs]

My God! Think of the chinldren!

I thought we established years ago that Groundspeak hates chinldren?

 

No, I don't think they do hate chinldren. They just don't care about them.

Great guys now my daughter(7) thinks the Frog hates her.

 

You should NEVER let a frog talk to your daughter alone.

..................and police men too.

[+The Jester]

My God! Think of the chinldren!

I thought we established years ago that Groundspeak hates chinldren?

 

No, I don't think they do hate chinldren. They just don't care about them.

Great guys now my daughter(7) thinks the Frog hates her.

 

You should NEVER let a frog talk to your daughter alone.

..................and police men too.

Why shouldn't frogs talk to police men - alone or in a group?

[+The Jester]

The other line in his log that I 'liked' -

This is really a nano not a micro ...

Maybe I shouldn't of said anything...

[knowschad]

My God! Think of the chinldren!

I thought we established years ago that Groundspeak hates chinldren?

 

No, I don't think they do hate chinldren. They just don't care about them.

Great guys now my daughter(7) thinks the Frog hates her.

She sounds very mature for her age.