PVC tube caches - should they be banned?

[+Off Grid]

Has anyone ever heard of a pipe bomb being made out of PVC? Seems like iron pipe would be the mad bombers material of choice.

 

Has anyone ever heard of a pipe bomb being hidden out in the middle of a forest? Seems like a crowded mall would be the mad bombers location of choice.

 

Only one. The guy had more at home, but stashed one in the woods in Dennis Cove, a local hiking destination. http://www.starhq.com/pipe-bomb-suspect-enters-guilty-plea/

 

I have found similar containers as summit registers in caves. I would not make one out of PVC and hide it as a geocache because I'm afraid that someone would confuse it as a pipe bomb. I have always enjoyed painting my geocaches camo, but lately I have left some clear on the bottom so you can see the contents. All the new ones placed by our State Parks are clear with the offical geocache stickers that you can buy from Groundspeak. Some of my listing in Parks have a offical park approved sticker that the land manager gave me, but I got in early when our State Parks started a geocaching program. You can even rent GPS units to go geocaching at some of our local parks in Virginia.

you can still label a PVC pipe and have geocache on it people would see it aint a bomb itrs when you don't label it like half the Tupperware containers I've seen

[nonaeroterraqueous]

 

So nice to see people talking about banning the geocache I just made. I showed it around to some non-geocachers, quaintly referred to by some as muggles, and most thought it was really a log. Where I'm planning to put this thing is so remote that a bomb squad couldn't be called, even if someone wanted to.

 

As for leakage, I used a rubber cap, which comes with a hose clamp, purchased from the local hardware store. I omitted the use of the hose clamp, because I think it should be a tight enough seal as it is. I'm not expecting a great deal of water pressure on it. Just to be safe, I made it a hanging cache, to control the way precipitation runs down it. Even if the lid doesn't seal perfectly, it should still shed water just fine. Opening it and closing it is quite easy, too.

Edited March 24, 2013 by nonaeroterraqueous

[+ByronForestPreserve]

[snip]

 

So nice to see people talking about banning the geocache I just made. I showed it around to some non-geocachers, quaintly referred to by some as muggles, and most thought it was really a log. Where I'm planning to put this thing is so remote that a bomb squad couldn't be called, even if someone wanted to.

 

 

Nicely done! I'd love finding something like that.

 

I just found my first PVC cache today. It was in a great location, dry, well-lableled...I think what we're looking for here is common sense. If muggles are likely to see a PVC cache and call the cops, use a different container. Or camouflage it really well.

[Clan Riffster]

I've got several PVC containers that never leak or crack. Here's the secret : schedule 40 PVC pipe,NO screw on lid.Screw-on lids leak because it's nearly impossible to get a tight seal. I use test plugs (from Home Depot) that are rubber plugs that tighten against the PVC tube walls.

Just to add a counterpoint:

In my years of caching, I've found several dozen PVC pipe caches. All were made out of Scedule 40. A handfull used test plugs. All but one, (one which did not use a test plug), showed signs of leakage, anywhere from water damaged paper to half an inch of standing water inside.

 

If GS did decide to ban PVC caches, how would that be enforced? I'd assume the only way to enforce it would be for fellow cachers to find the caches and then turn in the cache to the reviewer.

That would be my guess. Enforce it the same way they enforce the rest of the guidelines.

 

A pipe bomb is not PVC made

Actually, PVC makes for great pipe bombs. It's what I used in my youth. We called them homemade M-80s. They make one heck of a bang. In modern times, those who wish to wreak havoc, and have to thwart metal detectors, choose PVC as their pipe bomb medium, relying on simple ignition fuses, black powder and hard, nonmetallic objects such as marbles, for shrapnel. It's really a pretty common practice.

[Clan Riffster]

you can still label a PVC pipe and have geocache on it people would see it aint a bomb

History has shown that labeling a cache has little effect on an EODs decision to blow it up.

[+niraD]

you can still label a PVC pipe and have geocache on it people would see it aint a bomb

History has shown that labeling a cache has little effect on an EODs decision to blow it up.

Yep. There used to be a cache near where I live. It was a transparent plastic tube with pretty pink stickers and a "geocache" label. The bomb squad blew it up anyway.

[+Off Grid]

 

So nice to see people talking about banning the geocache I just made. I showed it around to some non-geocachers, quaintly referred to by some as muggles, and most thought it was really a log. Where I'm planning to put this thing is so remote that a bomb squad couldn't be called, even if someone wanted to.

 

As for leakage, I used a rubber cap, which comes with a hose clamp, purchased from the local hardware store. I omitted the use of the hose clamp, because I think it should be a tight enough seal as it is. I'm not expecting a great deal of water pressure on it. Just to be safe, I made it a hanging cache, to control the way precipitation runs down it. Even if the lid doesn't seal perfectly, it should still shed water just fine. Opening it and closing it is quite easy, too.

That's a nice geocache:)

[+Off Grid]

you can still label a PVC pipe and have geocache on it people would see it aint a bomb

History has shown that labeling a cache has little effect on an EODs decision to blow it up.

Well people are stupid and if they can't read that's there problem and if they cause a scene only makes them look bad

[+Off Grid]

I've got several PVC containers that never leak or crack. Here's the secret : schedule 40 PVC pipe,NO screw on lid.Screw-on lids leak because it's nearly impossible to get a tight seal. I use test plugs (from Home Depot) that are rubber plugs that tighten against the PVC tube walls.

Just to add a counterpoint:

In my years of caching, I've found several dozen PVC pipe caches. All were made out of Scedule 40. A handfull used test plugs. All but one, (one which did not use a test plug), showed signs of leakage, anywhere from water damaged paper to half an inch of standing water inside.

 

If GS did decide to ban PVC caches, how would that be enforced? I'd assume the only way to enforce it would be for fellow cachers to find the caches and then turn in the cache to the reviewer.

That would be my guess. Enforce it the same way they enforce the rest of the guidelines.

 

A pipe bomb is not PVC made

Actually, PVC makes for great pipe bombs. It's what I used in my youth. We called them homemade M-80s. They make one heck of a bang. In modern times, those who wish to wreak havoc, and have to thwart metal detectors, choose PVC as their pipe bomb medium, relying on simple ignition fuses, black powder and hard, nonmetallic objects such as marbles, for shrapnel. It's really a pretty common practice.

I'm glad they worked for you but PVC pipe is useless

[+Off Grid]

you can still label a PVC pipe and have geocache on it people would see it aint a bomb

History has shown that labeling a cache has little effect on an EODs decision to blow it up.

Americans for ya

[+cheech gang]

Americans for ya

 

Canadians for ya

[+ras_oscar]

In the rush to regulate containers we fail to see the full issue. Any container can be successful and any container can be a failure depending on the location selected. One of the dryest caches I have ever logged was in a breath strip container with the cap missing. It was placed onto the joint of a drainage pipe at the bottom of a hill. Select a location that is dry in all seasons and the container becomes less important.

[+J Grouchy]

In the rush to regulate containers we fail to see the full issue. Any container can be successful and any container can be a failure depending on the location selected. One of the dryest caches I have ever logged was in a breath strip container with the cap missing. It was placed onto the joint of a drainage pipe at the bottom of a hill. Select a location that is dry in all seasons and the container becomes less important.

 

There's a series near me where many of the caches are these plastic containers that look like elongated film canisters. They're almost all placed in exposed conditions, some in marshy areas...and on all but one of them the paper inside is dry as a bone. I think on those, the orientation of the container is the most important part...allowing water to shed off the cap and seal before it can get inside.

[+Off Grid]

"Quote"

 

Perhaps it should be brought to city council(s) and parliament's attention that this dangerous gaming practice is taking place in these cities. I propose that a new registry be created, due to the fact that this device was feared to be explosive in nature. It will fall inder the jurisdiction of the CFO, CFC and RCMP explosives division in order to keep public safety in accordance with section 5 of the Firearms Act. All Geocache equipment must be registered, and displayed in soon to be approved containers. An Authorization to Transport permit must be applied for, as there seems to be issues with determining if this is an explosive device or not. Any Geocache locations must be first registered and approved by the provincial CFO, due to the fact this is now to be considered a Geocache Range. All range criteria must be met. An approved Range Security Officer must be in attendance at all times with the unit. These ranges will be subject to 'professional' and rigorous enforcement policies All Geocache participants must attend a full day training course, including hands on examinations to acquire a Geocache Game Permit (GGP). Once these courses have been successfully completed, all documentation must be submitted to the CFO, and RCMP for background checks and registration. This process may take up to 6 months.

Edited March 25, 2013 by Off Grid

[+Manville Possum]

Americans for ya

 

Canadians for ya

 

That is funny! I don't care where you are from. Who mails stuff like that anyway...... wait, never mind. Please don't answer, I already figured it out.

[+BBWolf+3Pigs]

you can still label a PVC pipe and have geocache on it people would see it aint a bomb

History has shown that labeling a cache has little effect on an EODs decision to blow it up.

Americans for ya

 

A simple Google search found several caches that were blown up by EOD teams in Canada. The USA is not alone in this.

[Clan Riffster]

you can still label a PVC pipe and have geocache on it people would see it aint a bomb

History has shown that labeling a cache has little effect on an EODs decision to blow it up.

Well people are stupid and if they can't read that's there problem and if they cause a scene only makes them look bad

I'm thinking a little research on your part would go a long way towards stemming the flood of ignorance which keeps pouring out of your posts. To touch on a few points;

1 ) You won't get into EOD by being stupid.

2 ) EOD is not the problem, they are the solution to the problem.

3 ) They don't cause a scene, they respond to a scene.

 

I'm glad they worked for you but PVC pipe is useless

Useless for what? We've established that, under certain conditions PVC can make a fairly sturdy cache. We've also established that PVC will make a devastating improvised explosive device. What, exactly, is PVC worthless for, as relates to this thread?

 

Americans for ya

 

Canadians for ya

Yeah, pretty much.

[+ShaunEM]

I live in Canada and I can say that the bomb squad here would LOVE the opportunity to blow up a stuffed pony.

 

If you REALLY like to blow stuff up, join the bomb squad.. they get the best toys and nothing you are doing is illegal... BOOM!

 

Shaun

[+wmpastor]

you can still label a PVC pipe and have geocache on it people would see it aint a bomb

History has shown that labeling a cache has little effect on an EODs decision to blow it up.

Americans for ya

 

A simple Google search found several caches that were blown up by EOD teams in Canada. The USA is not alone in this.

Perhaps the term "geocache" on what looks like a pipe bomb means absolutely nothing to some muggles, & in fact sounds vaguely sinister!

[+wmpastor]

I live in Canada and I can say that the bomb squad here would LOVE the opportunity to blow up a stuffed pony.

 

If you REALLY like to blow stuff up, join the bomb squad.. they get the best toys and nothing you are doing is illegal... BOOM!

 

Shaun

People take jobs because they enjoy the day to day work. Those who join bomb squads like to blow things up. If there's the slightest question about an object, guess what's gonna happen?!

 

It reminds me of how a few firefighters start fires for the excitement of putting them out.

 

Wait, you don't suppose a few bomb squad members are cachers who place "pipe bomb caches"...?!

[+TheWeatherWarrior]

I don't get all the issues with water proof issues. PVC is easily water proof. Heck, I use and built my own hurricane storm surge camera housings using PVC pipes. Just have to know how to seal them up.

 

I haven't used them for containers......YET!

[+BBWolf+3Pigs]

I don't get all the issues with water proof issues. PVC is easily water proof. Heck, I use and built my own hurricane storm surge camera housings using PVC pipes. Just have to know how to seal them up.

 

I haven't used them for containers......YET!

 

I believe the issue is that some part of a PVC container needs to be able to be opened. Most PVC caches I've found use a threaded plug for this purpose. In order to get a good seal, you need to torque it down. That means if tightened correctly, it's very hard to open in the field without a wrench, or it's never sealed tight enough.

[4wheelin_fool]

Pipe bomb geocache annoys Indiana cops

 

Canadian cops fooled into thinking geocache was a pipe bomb

 

Really, they were.

 

A few days later, more Canadians panic

 

North Carolina cops know all about pipe bomb caching

 

Florida bomb squad goes caching, reportedly doesn't like PVC tubes

 

California cops incite panic over geocache tube

 

No robot handy, More California authorities take chances to find geocache with blast resistant suit

 

Wisconsin:It seems that some geocachers still haven’t figured out that wrapping a piece of PVC pipe in duct tape and hiding it in a public place isn’t a good idea

 

Minnesota and the bomb squad go geocaching

 

Texans use robot to retrieve LPC pipe bomb

 

 

 

Then they arrest the geocacher that was rehiding it

 

Illinois thinks geocaching tubes are da bomb

 

Colorado joins in the fun

 

Ohio blows up "chicken lips" geocache tube

 

Britain responds to bloody geocache. Flipping heck! Down the pan.

 

bookmark list

 

 

 

Yes, there have been a few incidents in which PVC (or any) tubes were a bad idea.

Edited March 26, 2013 by 4wheelin_fool

[+JohnCNA]

Several of our local county forest preserve districts will only allow completely clear containers, plus a required FPD permit sticker that varies, but most are about 4" x 6". No camo allowed. They can be completely hidden, but the container itself cannot have camo applied. That also excludes micros as well as any specially-constructed hides. I did see one CO who took ammo cans and removed most of one side and replaced it with clear lucite and was able to get those approved for FPD placement.

 

I have yet to see a homemade PVC cache that held up well outdoors.

[+K13]

"Quote"

 

Perhaps it should be brought to city council(s) and parliament's attention that this dangerous gaming practice is taking place in these cities. I propose that a new registry be created, due to the fact that this device was feared to be explosive in nature. It will fall inder the jurisdiction of the CFO, CFC and RCMP explosives division in order to keep public safety in accordance with section 5 of the Firearms Act. All Geocache equipment must be registered, and displayed in soon to be approved containers. An Authorization to Transport permit must be applied for, as there seems to be issues with determining if this is an explosive device or not. Any Geocache locations must be first registered and approved by the provincial CFO, due to the fact this is now to be considered a Geocache Range. All range criteria must be met. An approved Range Security Officer must be in attendance at all times with the unit. These ranges will be subject to 'professional' and rigorous enforcement policies All Geocache participants must attend a full day training course, including hands on examinations to acquire a Geocache Game Permit (GGP). Once these courses have been successfully completed, all documentation must be submitted to the CFO, and RCMP for background checks and registration. This process may take up to 6 months.

 

Where can we find your "quote"? Please post a link or reference to the website.

[+ByronForestPreserve]

A quick Google search for news related to "bomb scare" brought up several pages of reports on a toolbox, a briefcase, a phone call, graffiti, a verbal threat, several hoaxes, and suspicious packages. Nothing on the first four pages of results was related to geocaching. Obviously it would be better for everyone if police didn't have to investigate PVC or any other caches, but the state of affairs indicate that almost anything out of place will call attention. At least caches are (theoretically) out of sight of muggles and their locations are posted. And if the authorities are blowing up briefcases, the cache material might not make a difference...

[4wheelin_fool]

The bomb squad always blow things out of proportion. However, a pipe shaped object does not resemble too many other things other than a bomb.

 

Look! That guy hid a cylinder in that guard rail and sheepishly looked around a bit! What could it be? A roll of Oreo cookies? Perhaps it's silver dollars! or a sex toy container? Maybe he's leaving messages for a secret game!

 

Naa. Thinking "pipe bomb" is more likely.

[+onthehuntin702]

2 of our favorite caches in Vegas use mostly PVC. Pinky Bison Wants to Be an Astronaut and Pinky Bison Wants to Be a Sub Commander. Next time you come out here check them out, I doubt you will want PVC banned after you see these. : )

[+TheWeatherWarrior]

I don't get all the issues with water proof issues. PVC is easily water proof. Heck, I use and built my own hurricane storm surge camera housings using PVC pipes. Just have to know how to seal them up.

 

I haven't used them for containers......YET!

 

I believe the issue is that some part of a PVC container needs to be able to be opened. Most PVC caches I've found use a threaded plug for this purpose. In order to get a good seal, you need to torque it down. That means if tightened correctly, it's very hard to open in the field without a wrench, or it's never sealed tight enough.

You that is a good point. I guess I like the idea of a slip cap for geocaching purposes then. Depending on the mounting/placement a drain hole at the bottom likely a good idea. I'm actually thinking about that for other cache container designs I'm gonna do in the future.

[Pacific NW]

The bomb squad always blow things out of proportion. However, a pipe shaped object does not resemble too many other things other than a bomb.

 

Look! That guy hid a cylinder in that guard rail and sheepishly looked around a bit! What could it be? A roll of Oreo cookies? Perhaps it's silver dollars! or a sex toy container? Maybe he's leaving messages for a secret game!

 

Naa. Thinking "pipe bomb" is more likely.

 

Bingo. I found a PVC cache in the bushes at a busy shopping center once and wished the CO would have exercised a little more common sense. But in reality, anything can be made into a bomb. Some idiots around here have been making them out of soda bottles and leaving them in areas such as city parks. Somebody picks up the bottle and it goes boom.

 

http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/OR-Wilsonville-Bottle-Bomb/6aByLNFBOk-oclpGoHIX9g.cspx

 

http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Suspicious-bottle-at-Salem-school-prompts-hazmat/KYTP6FTt4k2R69B7XSEdlg.cspx

 

http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Police-find-soda-bottle-tennis-ball-bombs-at/kld3pmRaOEe2Rtz3al0qkA.cspx

Edited March 26, 2013 by Pacific NW

[Uncle Ruckus]

"Quote"

 

Perhaps it should be brought to city council(s) and parliament's attention that this dangerous gaming practice is taking place in these cities. I propose that a new registry be created, due to the fact that this device was feared to be explosive in nature. It will fall inder the jurisdiction of the CFO, CFC and RCMP explosives division in order to keep public safety in accordance with section 5 of the Firearms Act. All Geocache equipment must be registered, and displayed in soon to be approved containers. An Authorization to Transport permit must be applied for, as there seems to be issues with determining if this is an explosive device or not. Any Geocache locations must be first registered and approved by the provincial CFO, due to the fact this is now to be considered a Geocache Range. All range criteria must be met. An approved Range Security Officer must be in attendance at all times with the unit. These ranges will be subject to 'professional' and rigorous enforcement policies All Geocache participants must attend a full day training course, including hands on examinations to acquire a Geocache Game Permit (GGP). Once these courses have been successfully completed, all documentation must be submitted to the CFO, and RCMP for background checks and registration. This process may take up to 6 months.

 

Where can we find your "quote"? Please post a link or reference to the website.

 

Madeupmonkeypoop.com be my guess. PVC makes good sewer pipe. That's why most people buy it. No wonder it make a crappy geocache container. I vote to ban it for geocaching in the US.

[AZcachemeister]

It's all fine and good to discuss the relative merits and issues of a particular type of container..

 

Do you think they will institute a checkbox on the submission form?

Can we perhaps get Gladware included on the crappy container ban?

 

How would the reviewer know?

 

Yeah, it's a lock 'n' lock...yeah...sure, that's the ticket.

[nonaeroterraqueous]

...No wonder it make a crappy geocache container. I vote to ban it for geocaching in the US.

 

(Drawing from your vast geocaching experience)

 

Socks make terrible puppets. I say we ban them from the forums.

[+Mn-treker]

Oh! just use some comon sense and don't let them look like a pipe. Spray foam and paint and you have a bee hive. I like that log, I have one about 4 feet long.

Of course I have them out in the woods, not near city. One still looks like pipe but is stuffed into a tree so only geocachers can see it.

Edited March 27, 2013 by Mn-treker

[+Manville Possum]

Oh! just use some comon sense and don't let them look like a pipe. Spray foam and paint and you have a bee hive.

 

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=hello+kitty+with+gun&qpvt=hello+kitty+with+gun&FORM=IGRE

[nonaeroterraqueous]

I like that log, I have one about 4 feet long.

 

Suddenly, I feel the need to go out and make a five-foot-long log, and I don't know why.

 

 

Maybe I'll ditch the PVC idea and upgrade to concrete. I'm thinking of, maybe, doing a fallen sequoia.

Edited March 27, 2013 by nonaeroterraqueous

[+Mn-treker]

Cool! A walk in geocache Add spray foam and paint and a few other things Throw some dirt on top maybe.

Leave the ends open so it will pass the buried rule. grind out a hole to hide the container in and your good to go.

[xnixtechinc]

PVC pipe is often decried in these forums as being too easy to mistake for a pipe bomb. Why? Has anyone ever heard of a pipe bomb being made out of PVC? Seems like iron pipe would be the mad bombers material of choice.

 

Thank you!!! Common sense!!

 

Maybe not so much common sense. Google images of PVC pipe bombs and you will see plenty of them.

 

Yeah because when that one psycho in your area blows one off, they come knocking down your door because of your search history... Thank you Common Sense!

[+NYPaddleCacher]

Cool! A walk in geocache Add spray foam and paint and a few other things Throw some dirt on top maybe.

Leave the ends open so it will pass the buried rule. grind out a hole to hide the container in and your good to go.

 

I found a cache a few years ago that was a 16 foot long, 6 foot diameter culvert pipe. The culvert had been replaced with a new one and they had left the old one sitting nearby. The logbook was a magnetic sheet and the cache hand a refrigerator magnet theme so most of the swag was stuck to the inside of the pipe. It's the biggest cache I've ever found.

[+Off Grid]

I live in Canada and I can say that the bomb squad here would LOVE the opportunity to blow up a stuffed pony.

 

If you REALLY like to blow stuff up, join the bomb squad.. they get the best toys and nothing you are doing is illegal... BOOM!

 

Shaun

People take jobs because they enjoy the day to day work. Those who join bomb squads like to blow things up. If there's the slightest question about an object, guess what's gonna happen?!

 

It reminds me of how a few firefighters start fires for the excitement of putting them out.

 

Wait, you don't suppose a few bomb squad members are cachers who place "pipe bomb caches"...?!

Well they would love to blow up a pony cause we get no good stuff here's cause were passive Canadians don't cha ya know there eh

[+Off Grid]

"Quote"

 

Perhaps it should be brought to city council(s) and parliament's attention that this dangerous gaming practice is taking place in these cities. I propose that a new registry be created, due to the fact that this device was feared to be explosive in nature. It will fall inder the jurisdiction of the CFO, CFC and RCMP explosives division in order to keep public safety in accordance with section 5 of the Firearms Act. All Geocache equipment must be registered, and displayed in soon to be approved containers. An Authorization to Transport permit must be applied for, as there seems to be issues with determining if this is an explosive device or not. Any Geocache locations must be first registered and approved by the provincial CFO, due to the fact this is now to be considered a Geocache Range. All range criteria must be met. An approved Range Security Officer must be in attendance at all times with the unit. These ranges will be subject to 'professional' and rigorous enforcement policies All Geocache participants must attend a full day training course, including hands on examinations to acquire a Geocache Game Permit (GGP). Once these courses have been successfully completed, all documentation must be submitted to the CFO, and RCMP for background checks and registration. This process may take up to 6 months.

 

Where can we find your "quote"? Please post a link or reference to the website.

 

Madeupmonkeypoop.com be my guess. PVC makes good sewer pipe. That's why most people buy it. No wonder it make a crappy geocache container. I vote to ban it for geocaching in the US.

My geocaching PVC pipe is okay people say its creative and neat

[+K13]

"Quote"

 

Perhaps it should be brought to city council(s) and parliament's attention that this dangerous gaming practice is taking place in these cities. I propose that a new registry be created, due to the fact that this device was feared to be explosive in nature. It will fall inder the jurisdiction of the CFO, CFC and RCMP explosives division in order to keep public safety in accordance with section 5 of the Firearms Act. All Geocache equipment must be registered, and displayed in soon to be approved containers. An Authorization to Transport permit must be applied for, as there seems to be issues with determining if this is an explosive device or not. Any Geocache locations must be first registered and approved by the provincial CFO, due to the fact this is now to be considered a Geocache Range. All range criteria must be met. An approved Range Security Officer must be in attendance at all times with the unit. These ranges will be subject to 'professional' and rigorous enforcement policies All Geocache participants must attend a full day training course, including hands on examinations to acquire a Geocache Game Permit (GGP). Once these courses have been successfully completed, all documentation must be submitted to the CFO, and RCMP for background checks and registration. This process may take up to 6 months.

 

Where can we find your "quote"? Please post a link or reference to the website.

 

Madeupmonkeypoop.com be my guess. PVC makes good sewer pipe. That's why most people buy it. No wonder it make a crappy geocache container. I vote to ban it for geocaching in the US.

My geocaching PVC pipe is okay people say its creative and neat

 

Still waiting for you to cite the source of your "quote".

[+CacheHownds]

Yes, people are a little to wound up and paranoid.

Just the way the Gov't likes to keep people.

 

I do find that a lot of local Geocaches are not marked accordingly as a "Geocache". No, that's not to stop some mad bomber from labeling one as such, but maybe it'll at least stop the general public from making unnecessary calls to authorities.

 

[+Off Grid]

Yes, people are a little to wound up and paranoid.

Just the way the Gov't likes to keep people.

 

I do find that a lot of local Geocaches are not marked accordingly as a "Geocache". No, that's not to stop some mad bomber from labeling one as such, but maybe it'll at least stop the general public from making unnecessary calls to authorities.

Ya labeling does help. Also helps in some place to determine the trash from the geocache

[Zerpersande]

Duplicate post, sorry.

Edited April 10, 2013 by Zerpersande

[Zerpersande]

I agree that there is no need to ban PVC containers. I have one that requires water to be poured in to float the cache container up to the top. No poking down and reaching as the top is sealed on and an opening cut into the side of the pipe near the top. You can't even see the thing unless you are looking for it. And it has weathered so much now that there is no WAY it will look like a pipe bomb. And each day hundreds of elementary school kids walk right past it.

 

Leak? I guess they could. When I sealed one up and use a gasketed screw top it isn't going to leak.

 

Nope, bad suggestion, sorry.

[Zerpersande]

 

So nice to see people talking about banning the geocache I just made. I showed it around to some non-geocachers, quaintly referred to by some as muggles, and most thought it was really a log. Where I'm planning to put this thing is so remote that a bomb squad couldn't be called, even if someone wanted to.

 

As for leakage, I used a rubber cap, which comes with a hose clamp, purchased from the local hardware store. I omitted the use of the hose clamp, because I think it should be a tight enough seal as it is. I'm not expecting a great deal of water pressure on it. Just to be safe, I made it a hanging cache, to control the way precipitation runs down it. Even if the lid doesn't seal perfectly, it should still shed water just fine. Opening it and closing it is quite easy, too.

That's a nice geocache:)

 

Exactly why banning PVC containers isn't a good idea.

[Zerpersande]

And some would argue that what better way to disguise a bomb and thus get someone to open it would be to say it is NOT a bomb.

 

BTW, how many people a year are getting blown up by terrorists this way???

[Zerpersande]

They're popular as summit registers on mountaintops. They're indestructible; lightning bolts just bounce right off 'em. Not always perfectly watertight, but close enough.

 

This is a summit register. The log contained a bunch of geo-nicknames (mountaineers use real names) because the nearby cache has bad coords and is hidden away - unlike the register.

The cachers should have realized that reviewers would find fault with the screw in the rock....

The screw was already there. Perhaps used when the lead climber clipped in for the belay????

[+stijnhommes]

Nah, PVC shouldn't be banned. At least not for not being water tight. You can use the PVC as housing and put a water tight cache inside. Besides, if you ban things that are not water tight, we should start with film cannisters...