Unique Virtual too special to be Archived?

[+narcissa]

Swineflew just posted a NA on Manzanar Virtual Cache, one of California's more popular caches, with 64 legitimate finds last year.

 

To say my blood is boiling would be an understatement.

 

I hope that the lackeys realize that this individual is trying to be an ad-hoc reviewer, and lock his account.

 

The owner hasn't logged in for more than two years. It's an abandoned cache. Virtual geocaches need maintenance just like all the others.

 

I really wonder why nobody more local has reported it in all this time - geocaching relies on the community to uphold standards. The people who are really in the wrong are the countless local cachers who have kept the abandonment of this cache hushed up for so long.

Are you SERIOUS? You would have a historically important site like this one fade from geocacher's view just because a cache owner does not appear to be available to check the logs? What exactly are these "standards" that you are trying to uphold? My standards are that awesome virtuals like this one are a very special thing.

 

If it's so extraordinarily special, I would expect the owner to take enough interest in it to maintain it or adopt it to someone who can. If the owner has abandoned it, how special can it be?

[+M 5]

When a discussion that a mob rules turns into a debate amoung users in a civil manner turns into a debate/discussion and the users taking part want it ended, the only term that I can apply is Communism. I thought this was a debate about geocaches that the OP is no longer a registered user?

 

Communism, because people are exercising their free right not to speak? Uh, sure. Whatever.

 

And yes, yes, I know. Personal attacks are not aloud. That was a rhetorical question.

 

Retreating back into Communism here, by getting back out of the thread.

 

Have it your way comrdade.

 

GCB9B8

 

GCB9BA

 

Don't worry. I have plenty more. If 1 go, they all should go. According to guidelines anyway..........

 

Those virts both have SBA notices from "SwineFIew." I'm confused; are you admitting to being that sock?

 

I do believe that's exactly what he's saying.

 

I think this is why you are under suspicion.

[GOF and Bacall]

Swineflew just posted a NA on Manzanar Virtual Cache, one of California's more popular caches, with 64 legitimate finds last year.

 

To say my blood is boiling would be an understatement.

 

I hope that the lackeys realize that this individual is trying to be an ad-hoc reviewer, and lock his account.

 

The owner hasn't logged in for more than two years. It's an abandoned cache. Virtual geocaches need maintenance just like all the others.

 

I really wonder why nobody more local has reported it in all this time - geocaching relies on the community to uphold standards. The people who are really in the wrong are the countless local cachers who have kept the abandonment of this cache hushed up for so long.

Are you SERIOUS? You would have a historically important site like this one fade from geocacher's view just because a cache owner does not appear to be available to check the logs? What exactly are these "standards" that you are trying to uphold? My standards are that awesome virtuals like this one are a very special thing.

 

If it's so extraordinarily special, I would expect the owner to take enough interest in it to maintain it or adopt it to someone who can. If the owner has abandoned it, how special can it be?

 

Thing is that if you don't find it special you can ignore it. If Knowschad thinks it is he can watch it. It ain't hurt'n noth'n to just leave it alone.

[+Manville Possum]

Oh great, now my account is under attack. What a great community we have here. There is a sock puppet logging my caches and has started a personal conversation with me.

So what next, lock my caches too to keep the outlaw users from posting garbage on them?

 

Guess Anonymous took up geocaching....

I agree the community is not showing how we can be trusted to be self policing if we're going to have garbage like that taking over.

 

I also feel for the reviewers who have to help clean up this mess

I agree. I really like my local reviewers. I have not deleted any of the bogus logs yet. The user has logged 2 of my EC so far. I reported the abusive personal conversation from the same user to Groundspeak. The one user that requested that my account to be tempory locked may be happy to know that my 97 geocaches may soon be.

This all pretains to that South Pole virtual cache.

[+Manville Possum]

When a discussion that a mob rules turns into a debate amoung users in a civil manner turns into a debate/discussion and the users taking part want it ended, the only term that I can apply is Communism. I thought this was a debate about geocaches that the OP is no longer a registered user?

 

Communism, because people are exercising their free right not to speak? Uh, sure. Whatever.

 

And yes, yes, I know. Personal attacks are not aloud. That was a rhetorical question.

 

Retreating back into Communism here, by getting back out of the thread.

 

Have it your way comrdade.

 

GCB9B8

 

GCB9BA

 

Don't worry. I have plenty more. If 1 go, they all should go. According to guidelines anyway..........

 

Those virts both have SBA notices from "SwineFIew." I'm confused; are you admitting to being that sock?

 

I do believe that's exactly what he's saying.

 

I think this is why you are under suspicion.

I'm not a suspect with Groundspeak. I operate under one IP address, and I have been in contact with them before. I don't have a sock puppet account, and if you will check my profile you will see that I am one of the users that contributes to this game with good quality well maintained caches. I just think that the same rules and guidelines should apply to all of us.

[GOF and Bacall]

Fortunately the attack on users caches seems to be by a small number of people. Kinda like the attacks on virtual caches. With any luck it will stay like that.

[+Don_J]

Oh great, now my account is under attack. What a great community we have here. There is a sock puppet logging my caches and has started a personal conversation with me.

So what next, lock my caches too to keep the outlaw users from posting garbage on them?

 

Guess Anonymous took up geocaching....

I agree the community is not showing how we can be trusted to be self policing if we're going to have garbage like that taking over.

 

I also feel for the reviewers who have to help clean up this mess

I agree. I really like my local reviewers. I have not deleted any of the bogus logs yet. The user has logged 2 of my EC so far. I reported the abusive personal conversation from the same user to Groundspeak. The one user that requested that my account to be tempory locked may be happy to know that my 97 geocaches may soon be.

This all pretains to that South Pole virtual cache.

 

So, now you admit to not performing maintenance on those two caches. You have logs with pornographic images attached, and you have decided not to delete them. Should I put a NA on them because you are not performing maintenance? Not that I would, but according to your logic, I would be well within my rights.

[+SwineFlew]

Oh great, now my account is under attack. What a great community we have here. There is a sock puppet logging my caches and has started a personal conversation with me.

So what next, lock my caches too to keep the outlaw users from posting garbage on them?

 

Guess Anonymous took up geocaching....

I agree the community is not showing how we can be trusted to be self policing if we're going to have garbage like that taking over.

 

I also feel for the reviewers who have to help clean up this mess

I agree. I really like my local reviewers. I have not deleted any of the bogus logs yet. The user has logged 2 of my EC so far. I reported the abusive personal conversation from the same user to Groundspeak. The one user that requested that my account to be tempory locked may be happy to know that my 97 geocaches may soon be.

This all pretains to that South Pole virtual cache.

 

Ok, I am going to tell you that you need to delete those logs due to not family friendly pics. You agree to do your part as a CO to keep this site family friendly, so please do your part. Dont make me go over there and hit the NA button.

[+JBnW]

Virtuals are soon to be reinstated on this site, ans I am all for cleaning up the old unmaimtained ones where the CO is no longer part of the game.

 

Remember what I said in post #64? I have seen this before. As long as that cache is not being abused by armchair logs it should stay because it is unique.

 

You are contradicting yourself again.

Wasn't it just last week that you advised me to not look for logic where there was none to be found? Something about a purple crayon?

[+ScallywagGrammies]

I already did get a response from heybud. RSWrench is her son. She already contacted him on this subject. He will take care of the cache.

 

Hopefully this is the end (of the story, not the cache).

 

That's who I contacted the other day and got a response from. I'm so glad it's being taken care of now

[+Manville Possum]

Oh great, now my account is under attack. What a great community we have here. There is a sock puppet logging my caches and has started a personal conversation with me.

So what next, lock my caches too to keep the outlaw users from posting garbage on them?

 

Guess Anonymous took up geocaching....

I agree the community is not showing how we can be trusted to be self policing if we're going to have garbage like that taking over.

 

I also feel for the reviewers who have to help clean up this mess

I agree. I really like my local reviewers. I have not deleted any of the bogus logs yet. The user has logged 2 of my EC so far. I reported the abusive personal conversation from the same user to Groundspeak. The one user that requested that my account to be tempory locked may be happy to know that my 97 geocaches may soon be.

This all pretains to that South Pole virtual cache.

 

Ok, I am going to tell you that you need to delete those logs due to not family friendly pics. You agree to do your part as a CO to keep this site family friendly, so please do your part. Dont make me go over there and hit the NA button.

When I first reported this there were no photos posted on the site. Now that I went back to delete the logs they were gone? I'm being attacked because of your actions, and the fact that I agree that caches without owners should be locked. Those photos are a great example as to why, because with no CO to delete garbage like that, who is it left up to?

[+Sioneva]

Virtuals are soon to be reinstated on this site, ans I am all for cleaning up the old unmaimtained ones where the CO is no longer part of the game.

 

Remember what I said in post #64? I have seen this before. As long as that cache is not being abused by armchair logs it should stay because it is unique.

 

You are contradicting yourself again.

Wasn't it just last week that you advised me to not look for logic where there was none to be found? Something about a purple crayon?

 

The crayon is undeniably purple. You are correct.

[+Manville Possum]

Virtuals are soon to be reinstated on this site, ans I am all for cleaning up the old unmaimtained ones where the CO is no longer part of the game.

 

Remember what I said in post #64? I have seen this before. As long as that cache is not being abused by armchair logs it should stay because it is unique.

 

You are contradicting yourself again.

Wasn't it just last week that you advised me to not look for logic where there was none to be found? Something about a purple crayon?

Yes, and it was reported as a personal attack. Then the user tryed to start a personal conversation with me telling me that they should not have said that.

If a person owns cache listings and takes part in these forums, you better use a sock puppet account. Just look at what is happining to users like myself.

First the insults, now my listings are being attacked by some pervert.

[+Cindyj2]

Oh great, now my account is under attack. What a great community we have here. There is a sock puppet logging my caches and has started a personal conversation with me.

So what next, lock my caches too to keep the outlaw users from posting garbage on them?

 

Guess Anonymous took up geocaching....

I agree the community is not showing how we can be trusted to be self policing if we're going to have garbage like that taking over.

 

I also feel for the reviewers who have to help clean up this mess

I agree. I really like my local reviewers. I have not deleted any of the bogus logs yet. The user has logged 2 of my EC so far. I reported the abusive personal conversation from the same user to Groundspeak. The one user that requested that my account to be tempory locked may be happy to know that my 97 geocaches may soon be.

This all pretains to that South Pole virtual cache.

 

OMG That stuff on your cache needs to be removed right away! Why would you leave that on here for all to see?!!??? My nine year old son who caches with me was in here with me while I was reading this and I went to check what had happened. So glad he didn't see those photos!

 

THOUGHT THIS WAS A FAMILY SITE AND A FAMILY GAME!

 

What the heck has gotten into people? People that to that stuff are gonna ruin it for everyone!

 

edited for spelling

Edited February 17, 2011 by Cindyj2

[GOF and Bacall]

Oh great, now my account is under attack. What a great community we have here. There is a sock puppet logging my caches and has started a personal conversation with me.

So what next, lock my caches too to keep the outlaw users from posting garbage on them?

 

Guess Anonymous took up geocaching....

I agree the community is not showing how we can be trusted to be self policing if we're going to have garbage like that taking over.

 

I also feel for the reviewers who have to help clean up this mess

I agree. I really like my local reviewers. I have not deleted any of the bogus logs yet. The user has logged 2 of my EC so far. I reported the abusive personal conversation from the same user to Groundspeak. The one user that requested that my account to be tempory locked may be happy to know that my 97 geocaches may soon be.

This all pretains to that South Pole virtual cache.

 

Ok, I am going to tell you that you need to delete those logs due to not family friendly pics. You agree to do your part as a CO to keep this site family friendly, so please do your part. Dont make me go over there and hit the NA button.

When I first reported this there were no photos posted on the site. Now that I went back to delete the logs they were gone? I'm being attacked because of your actions, and the fact that I agree that caches without owners should be locked. Those photos are a great example as to why, because with no CO to delete garbage like that, who is it left up to?

 

I'd be willing to bet that if I reported that to GS they would take care of it. Just like you did when SwineFlew mentioned it to you.

[+NYPaddleCacher]

Swineflew just posted a NA on Manzanar Virtual Cache, one of California's more popular caches, with 64 legitimate finds last year.

 

To say my blood is boiling would be an understatement.

 

I hope that the lackeys realize that this individual is trying to be an ad-hoc reviewer, and lock his account.

 

The owner hasn't logged in for more than two years. It's an abandoned cache. Virtual geocaches need maintenance just like all the others.

 

I really wonder why nobody more local has reported it in all this time - geocaching relies on the community to uphold standards. The people who are really in the wrong are the countless local cachers who have kept the abandonment of this cache hushed up for so long.

Are you SERIOUS? You would have a historically important site like this one fade from geocacher's view just because a cache owner does not appear to be available to check the logs? What exactly are these "standards" that you are trying to uphold? My standards are that awesome virtuals like this one are a very special thing.

 

If it's so extraordinarily special, I would expect the owner to take enough interest in it to maintain it or adopt it to someone who can. If the owner has abandoned it, how special can it be?

 

First of all, Grandfathered cache types can not be adopted so that is not an option.

 

Some of the virtual cache listings I've seen are almost 10 years old, and I suspect that when they were placed the CO and probably a large portion of those that found it considered the location pretty special. I have no idea how long the CO on the Manzanar or South Pole remained active and I imagine that there is a fairly significant percentage of cache owners that started in 2003 or earlier that have since left the game. I would imagine that some of those that left the game and owned virtual caches didn't feel that they were "abandoning" cache considering that there wasn't a physical container that that leaving the listing active wasn't going to hurt the game in anyway.

[+riviouveur]

When I first reported this there were no photos posted on the site. Now that I went back to delete the logs they were gone?

They were deleted by a volunteer reviewer (me).

Those photos are a great example as to why, because with no CO to delete garbage like that, who is it left up to?

Indeed. Actually, it would have been nice if you had deleted them yourself when you first saw them. FYI, deleted logs are in fact archived, so you could have deleted them and then reported them to Groundspeak, who could then get to work on identifying the sock puppet which posted them.

[+Sioneva]

Virtuals are soon to be reinstated on this site, ans I am all for cleaning up the old unmaimtained ones where the CO is no longer part of the game.

 

Remember what I said in post #64? I have seen this before. As long as that cache is not being abused by armchair logs it should stay because it is unique.

 

You are contradicting yourself again.

Wasn't it just last week that you advised me to not look for logic where there was none to be found? Something about a purple crayon?

Yes, and it was reported as a personal attack. Then the user tryed to start a personal conversation with me telling me that they should not have said that.

If a person owns cache listings and takes part in these forums, you better use a sock puppet account. Just look at what is happining to users like myself.

First the insults, now my listings are being attacked by some pervert.

 

Ah, no, it was not reported as a personal attack. "The user" realized her error and deleted it before it could be. Then sent a single, non-repeating PM to set the record straight when it was strongly implied she was forced to do it, instead of doing it of her own free will. Which became grounds for whining on another site "the user" will not name... but whatever.

[+JBnW]

Virtuals are soon to be reinstated on this site, ans I am all for cleaning up the old unmaimtained ones where the CO is no longer part of the game.

 

Remember what I said in post #64? I have seen this before. As long as that cache is not being abused by armchair logs it should stay because it is unique.

 

You are contradicting yourself again.

Wasn't it just last week that you advised me to not look for logic where there was none to be found? Something about a purple crayon?

 

The crayon is undeniably purple. You are correct.

I'm here to help, Comrdade!

[knowschad]

Virtuals are soon to be reinstated on this site, ans I am all for cleaning up the old unmaimtained ones where the CO is no longer part of the game.

 

Remember what I said in post #64? I have seen this before. As long as that cache is not being abused by armchair logs it should stay because it is unique.

 

You are contradicting yourself again.

Thanks for the confirmation. Tell me, MHP... do your opinions flip-flop entirely at random, or is it related to time of day or some other deterministic factor?

[+Manville Possum]

When I first reported this there were no photos posted on the site. Now that I went back to delete the logs they were gone?

They were deleted by a volunteer reviewer (me).

Those photos are a great example as to why, because with no CO to delete garbage like that, who is it left up to?

Indeed. Actually, it would have been nice if you had deleted them yourself when you first saw them. FYI, deleted logs are in fact archived, so you could have deleted them and then reported them to Groundspeak, who could then get to work on identifying the sock puppet which posted them.

You only beat me to the draw. I left the logs for a reviewer to see. I just deleted another log with a sexual explicit photo from the user Myfra on one of the same caches. Why is that account not locked? I'm willing to do my part to help. Feel free to contact me with advise on how to handle this. I'm the victim here.

[knowschad]

Swineflew just posted a NA on Manzanar Virtual Cache, one of California's more popular caches, with 64 legitimate finds last year.

 

To say my blood is boiling would be an understatement.

 

I hope that the lackeys realize that this individual is trying to be an ad-hoc reviewer, and lock his account.

 

The owner hasn't logged in for more than two years. It's an abandoned cache. Virtual geocaches need maintenance just like all the others.

 

I really wonder why nobody more local has reported it in all this time - geocaching relies on the community to uphold standards. The people who are really in the wrong are the countless local cachers who have kept the abandonment of this cache hushed up for so long.

Are you SERIOUS? You would have a historically important site like this one fade from geocacher's view just because a cache owner does not appear to be available to check the logs? What exactly are these "standards" that you are trying to uphold? My standards are that awesome virtuals like this one are a very special thing.

 

If it's so extraordinarily special, I would expect the owner to take enough interest in it to maintain it or adopt it to someone who can. If the owner has abandoned it, how special can it be?

It could be very special. Fortunately, it sounds like the owner has been located, but for all you knew at the time, the cache owner could have died. Would that make the site any less impressive?

[+JBnW]

When I first reported this there were no photos posted on the site. Now that I went back to delete the logs they were gone?

They were deleted by a volunteer reviewer (me).

Those photos are a great example as to why, because with no CO to delete garbage like that, who is it left up to?

Indeed. Actually, it would have been nice if you had deleted them yourself when you first saw them. FYI, deleted logs are in fact archived, so you could have deleted them and then reported them to Groundspeak, who could then get to work on identifying the sock puppet which posted them.

You only beat me to the draw. I left the logs for a reviewer to see. I just deleted another log with a sexual explicit photo from the user Myfra on one of the same caches. Why is that account not locked? I'm willing to do my part to help. Feel free to contact me with advise on how to handle this. I'm the victim here.

FYI, it is *YOUR* responsibility as a CO to delete questionable or unacceptable logs from your caches. Hope this helps.

[+Manville Possum]

Oh great, now my account is under attack. What a great community we have here. There is a sock puppet logging my caches and has started a personal conversation with me.

So what next, lock my caches too to keep the outlaw users from posting garbage on them?

 

Guess Anonymous took up geocaching....

I agree the community is not showing how we can be trusted to be self policing if we're going to have garbage like that taking over.

 

I also feel for the reviewers who have to help clean up this mess

I agree. I really like my local reviewers. I have not deleted any of the bogus logs yet. The user has logged 2 of my EC so far. I reported the abusive personal conversation from the same user to Groundspeak. The one user that requested that my account to be tempory locked may be happy to know that my 97 geocaches may soon be.

This all pretains to that South Pole virtual cache.

 

OMG That stuff on your cache needs to be removed right away! Why would you leave that on here for all to see?!!??? My nine year old son who caches with me was in here with me while I was reading this and I went to check what had happened. So glad he didn't see those photos!

 

THOUGHT THIS WAS A FAMILY SITE AND A FAMILY GAME!

 

What the heck has gotten into people? People that to that stuff are gonna ruin it for everyone!

 

edited for spelling

When I viewed the bogus logs that is all that they were. The photos were uploaded while I was contacting Groundspeak to report a abusive email from that user. I have kids too, and they are not allowed to use or view this forum. Remember, I am the victim here. I'm not the one uploading garbage or attacking others for their opinions here.

[+Cindyj2]

It was totally uncalled for for someone to do that to you and that is just sick! That is not your fault.

 

But those photos were up for at least 40 min and people posted that they were there.

 

 

edited to add a little more

Edited February 18, 2011 by Cindyj2

[+Manville Possum]

Oh great, now my account is under attack. What a great community we have here. There is a sock puppet logging my caches and has started a personal conversation with me.

So what next, lock my caches too to keep the outlaw users from posting garbage on them?

 

Guess Anonymous took up geocaching....

I agree the community is not showing how we can be trusted to be self policing if we're going to have garbage like that taking over.

 

I also feel for the reviewers who have to help clean up this mess

I agree. I really like my local reviewers. I have not deleted any of the bogus logs yet. The user has logged 2 of my EC so far. I reported the abusive personal conversation from the same user to Groundspeak. The one user that requested that my account to be tempory locked may be happy to know that my 97 geocaches may soon be.

This all pretains to that South Pole virtual cache.

 

Ok, I am going to tell you that you need to delete those logs due to not family friendly pics. You agree to do your part as a CO to keep this site family friendly, so please do your part. Dont make me go over there and hit the NA button.

When I first reported this there were no photos posted on the site. Now that I went back to delete the logs they were gone? I'm being attacked because of your actions, and the fact that I agree that caches without owners should be locked. Those photos are a great example as to why, because with no CO to delete garbage like that, who is it left up to?

 

I'd be willing to bet that if I reported that to GS they would take care of it. Just like you did when SwineFlew mentioned it to you.

It has been reported. The same account has logged that one cache three times. Some poor reviewer is having to delete the logs if I can't get to them first. I'm doing everthing that I can, and I am willing to help. Looks like my caches are going to get locked because of some idiot playing games.

BTW: I was contacting Groundspeak when SwineFlew posted that log. During this time is when the photos were uploaded. Why is that same account still posting garbage on my cache? Should it not have been locked already?

[+northernpenguin]

It was totally uncalled for for someone to do that to you and that is just sick! That is not your fault.

 

But those photos were up for at least 40 min and people posted that they were there.

 

 

edited to add a little more

 

Since when is 40 minutes too long for a CO to respond to a problem? For all you know he was driving home from work at that time!

 

Yes it is a CO's responsibility to delete bogus logs. Eventually. Not within minutes.

[+Manville Possum]

It was totally uncalled for for someone to do that to you and that is just sick! That is not your fault.

 

But those photos were up for at least 40 min and people posted that they were there.

 

 

edited to add a little more

I had no idea how long the photos were there. I have never encountered anything like this, I simply reported it. The only reason I left the bogus logs was because that I thought a reviewer might need to see the proof. I was waiting on them to instruct me on how to handle it.

Edited February 18, 2011 by Manville Possum Hunters

[+M 5]

You seem to have posted as SwineFIew as well, by your own forum posts. I don't think your as big a victim as you say, although I agree, that it doesn't excuse the actions on your cache pages.

[+Manville Possum]

It was totally uncalled for for someone to do that to you and that is just sick! That is not your fault.

 

But those photos were up for at least 40 min and people posted that they were there.

 

 

edited to add a little more

 

Since when is 40 minutes too long for a CO to respond to a problem? For all you know he was driving home from work at that time!

 

Yes it is a CO's responsibility to delete bogus logs. Eventually. Not within minutes.

I'm sure that when the folks at Groundspeak look at the time stamps they will see that is about how long I was away from the computer.

[+WRASTRO]

Oh great, now my account is under attack. What a great community we have here. There is a sock puppet logging my caches and has started a personal conversation with me.

So what next, lock my caches too to keep the outlaw users from posting garbage on them?

 

Guess Anonymous took up geocaching....

I agree the community is not showing how we can be trusted to be self policing if we're going to have garbage like that taking over.

 

I also feel for the reviewers who have to help clean up this mess

I agree. I really like my local reviewers. I have not deleted any of the bogus logs yet. The user has logged 2 of my EC so far. I reported the abusive personal conversation from the same user to Groundspeak. The one user that requested that my account to be tempory locked may be happy to know that my 97 geocaches may soon be.

This all pretains to that South Pole virtual cache.

 

OMG That stuff on your cache needs to be removed right away! Why would you leave that on here for all to see?!!??? My nine year old son who caches with me was in here with me while I was reading this and I went to check what had happened. So glad he didn't see those photos!

 

THOUGHT THIS WAS A FAMILY SITE AND A FAMILY GAME!

 

What the heck has gotten into people? People that to that stuff are gonna ruin it for everyone!

 

edited for spelling

When I viewed the bogus logs that is all that they were. The photos were uploaded while I was contacting Groundspeak to report a abusive email from that user. I have kids too, and they are not allowed to use or view this forum. Remember, I am the victim here. I'm not the one uploading garbage or attacking others for their opinions here.

I agree the posts to your caches are uncalled for.

 

I suggest you go back and re-read your posts from yesterday, #202, 216, 222 and #242. If you don't think you were being overly agressive and attacking people with those posts then we will need to agree to disagree.

[GOF and Bacall]

Oh great, now my account is under attack. What a great community we have here. There is a sock puppet logging my caches and has started a personal conversation with me.

So what next, lock my caches too to keep the outlaw users from posting garbage on them?

 

Guess Anonymous took up geocaching....

I agree the community is not showing how we can be trusted to be self policing if we're going to have garbage like that taking over.

 

I also feel for the reviewers who have to help clean up this mess

I agree. I really like my local reviewers. I have not deleted any of the bogus logs yet. The user has logged 2 of my EC so far. I reported the abusive personal conversation from the same user to Groundspeak. The one user that requested that my account to be tempory locked may be happy to know that my 97 geocaches may soon be.

This all pretains to that South Pole virtual cache.

 

Ok, I am going to tell you that you need to delete those logs due to not family friendly pics. You agree to do your part as a CO to keep this site family friendly, so please do your part. Dont make me go over there and hit the NA button.

When I first reported this there were no photos posted on the site. Now that I went back to delete the logs they were gone? I'm being attacked because of your actions, and the fact that I agree that caches without owners should be locked. Those photos are a great example as to why, because with no CO to delete garbage like that, who is it left up to?

 

I'd be willing to bet that if I reported that to GS they would take care of it. Just like you did when SwineFlew mentioned it to you.

It has been reported. The same account has logged that one cache three times. Some poor reviewer is having to delete the logs if I can't get to them first. I'm doing everthing that I can, and I am willing to help. Looks like my caches are going to get locked because of some idiot playing games.

BTW: I was contacting Groundspeak when SwineFlew posted that log. During this time is when the photos were uploaded. Why is that same account still posting garbage on my cache? Should it not have been locked already?

 

Actually I was just answering your question. There is more than one way for those logs to be deleted. As we all now know.

[+Crow-T-Robot]

Swineflew just posted a NA on Manzanar Virtual Cache, one of California's more popular caches, with 64 legitimate finds last year.

 

To say my blood is boiling would be an understatement.

 

I hope that the lackeys realize that this individual is trying to be an ad-hoc reviewer, and lock his account.

 

The owner hasn't logged in for more than two years. It's an abandoned cache. Virtual geocaches need maintenance just like all the others.

 

I really wonder why nobody more local has reported it in all this time - geocaching relies on the community to uphold standards. The people who are really in the wrong are the countless local cachers who have kept the abandonment of this cache hushed up for so long.

Are you SERIOUS? You would have a historically important site like this one fade from geocacher's view just because a cache owner does not appear to be available to check the logs? What exactly are these "standards" that you are trying to uphold? My standards are that awesome virtuals like this one are a very special thing.

 

If it's so extraordinarily special, I would expect the owner to take enough interest in it to maintain it or adopt it to someone who can. If the owner has abandoned it, how special can it be?

It could be very special. Fortunately, it sounds like the owner has been located, but for all you knew at the time, the cache owner could have died. Would that make the site any less impressive?

 

The site wouldn't be any less impressive, but perhaps it would've been time to retire the cache listing. No cache is permanent.

 

I think Narcissa's point stands, though. The owner of this cache DIDN'T die. From what we know, he simply stopped caching and for all intents and purposes, left this virtual cache to twist in the wind. At the very least, he stopped logging into his account and appeared to be an absentee owner. If he made a conscience decision to stop geocaching, he should have archived his listings if he couldn't/wouldn't adopt them out.

[+Manville Possum]

You seem to have posted as SwineFIew as well, by your own forum posts. I don't think your as big a victim as you say, although I agree, that it doesn't excuse the actions on your cache pages.

No you are wrong. What you are saying is a malicous lie.

[+Ecylram]

I agree the posts to your caches are uncalled for.

 

I suggest you go back and re-read your posts from yesterday, #202, 216, 222 and #242. If you don't think you were being overly agressive and attacking people with those posts then we will need to agree to disagree.

 

This is no comment on your statements, but I'm kinda hoping this thread devolves into "agree to disagree". It doesn't seem that anything new is being added to this conversation at this point.

[+BuckeyeClan]

You seem to have posted as SwineFIew as well, by your own forum posts. I don't think your as big a victim as you say, although I agree, that it doesn't excuse the actions on your cache pages.

 

His posts don't prove anything. Anyone could have seen the GC numbers that he posted in this thread, and then posted the NA's as "SwineFIew". Probably the same person that's been posting the obscene pictures.

 

MPH, threatening in this thread to post NA's on a bunch of (possibly) ownerless caches was not a wise thing to do.

[+Manville Possum]

Oh great, now my account is under attack. What a great community we have here. There is a sock puppet logging my caches and has started a personal conversation with me.

So what next, lock my caches too to keep the outlaw users from posting garbage on them?

 

Guess Anonymous took up geocaching....

I agree the community is not showing how we can be trusted to be self policing if we're going to have garbage like that taking over.

 

I also feel for the reviewers who have to help clean up this mess

I agree. I really like my local reviewers. I have not deleted any of the bogus logs yet. The user has logged 2 of my EC so far. I reported the abusive personal conversation from the same user to Groundspeak. The one user that requested that my account to be tempory locked may be happy to know that my 97 geocaches may soon be.

This all pretains to that South Pole virtual cache.

 

Ok, I am going to tell you that you need to delete those logs due to not family friendly pics. You agree to do your part as a CO to keep this site family friendly, so please do your part. Dont make me go over there and hit the NA button.

When I first reported this there were no photos posted on the site. Now that I went back to delete the logs they were gone? I'm being attacked because of your actions, and the fact that I agree that caches without owners should be locked. Those photos are a great example as to why, because with no CO to delete garbage like that, who is it left up to?

 

I'd be willing to bet that if I reported that to GS they would take care of it. Just like you did when SwineFlew mentioned it to you.

It has been reported. The same account has logged that one cache three times. Some poor reviewer is having to delete the logs if I can't get to them first. I'm doing everthing that I can, and I am willing to help. Looks like my caches are going to get locked because of some idiot playing games.

BTW: I was contacting Groundspeak when SwineFlew posted that log. During this time is when the photos were uploaded. Why is that same account still posting garbage on my cache? Should it not have been locked already?

 

Actually I was just answering your question. There is more than one way for those logs to be deleted. As we all now know.

I thank you for you help. You are a very knowledgable user, and I respect you. Feel free to contact me with any advise. Thanks.

[+WRASTRO]

I agree the posts to your caches are uncalled for.

 

I suggest you go back and re-read your posts from yesterday, #202, 216, 222 and #242. If you don't think you were being overly agressive and attacking people with those posts then we will need to agree to disagree.

 

This is no comment on your statements, but I'm kinda hoping this thread devolves into "agree to disagree". It doesn't seem that anything new is being added to this conversation at this point.

Yep, hopefully we are getting to that point. As the owner of the cache in question appears to have been contacted this particular episode will likely fade away.

[+Ecylram]

You seem to have posted as SwineFIew as well, by your own forum posts. I don't think your as big a victim as you say, although I agree, that it doesn't excuse the actions on your cache pages.

 

I'm not inclined to agree with this. The post vandalism is driven by someone who doesn't have the skills to deal with conflict publicly, MPH doesn't have that problem.

[knowschad]

You seem to have posted as SwineFIew as well, by your own forum posts. I don't think your as big a victim as you say, although I agree, that it doesn't excuse the actions on your cache pages.

No you are wrong. What you are saying is a malicous lie.

It is not a lie to say "You seem to have" done something. That is an opinion. And, I suspect, an opinion that a lot of us that have been following this thread probably share. I know that I, for one, am very confused at this point by where you really stand and what your attitude really is. It seems (<- notice those two words!) that one day you are the victim, and the next, the aggressor. If that is not how you intend to be perceived, then perhaps you should be a little more careful of what you write and how you phrase it, because you sure as heck are sending out that message in big neon letters!

[+NeecesandNephews]

Wow... they were right... this IS better than Springer!!

The "victim"??? Ummm...okay.

[+Manville Possum]

I just deleted another EXTREAMLY vulgar post and upload on another on of my EC's by a user Bryki. How long is this going to continue? Looks like the only way to stop this is to lock my caches until Groundspeak can sort this out.

 

Who do I need to contact to request that my caches be locked to prevent this? Right here is proof that if you own caches and take part in these forums, you need to use a sock puppet account!

[+Cindyj2]

They need to put a report button on the cache page so that if the owner if the cache is away that that trash can be reported and taken care of quicker.

[+Cindyj2]

I just deleted another EXTREAMLY vulgar post and upload on another on of my EC's by a user Bryki. How long is this going to continue? Looks like the only way to stop this is to lock my caches until Groundspeak can sort this out.

 

Who do I need to contact to request that my caches be locked to prevent this? Right here is proof that if you own caches and take part in these forums, you need to use a sock puppet account!

 

Hoping they quit doing this to you as it's not right they need to have the guts to come and address the problem here and be civil like a normal person.

[+Ecylram]

They need to put a report button on the cache page so that if the owner if the cache is away that that trash can be reported and taken care of quicker.

 

That's actually a pretty good suggestion. Though I suppose the false reports would significantly outnumber the legitimate reports.

[+Don_J]

I just deleted another EXTREAMLY vulgar post and upload on another on of my EC's by a user Bryki. How long is this going to continue? Looks like the only way to stop this is to lock my caches until Groundspeak can sort this out.

 

Who do I need to contact to request that my caches be locked to prevent this? Right here is proof that if you own caches and take part in these forums, you need to use a sock puppet account!

 

Bryki is already locked.

[+JBnW]

I already did get a response from heybud. RSWrench is her son. She already contacted him on this subject. He will take care of the cache.

 

Hopefully this is the end (of the story, not the cache).

Maybe this post bears repeating. Feel free to repeat as necessary to stop the growing mess.

[GOF and Bacall]

They need to put a report button on the cache page so that if the owner if the cache is away that that trash can be reported and taken care of quicker.

 

Try the needs archived log. In the text field type something like "I don't really think the cache needs to be archived but the offensive logs by (userx) need immediate attention." Or you can write to contact at geocaching dot com. Or contact the local reviewer.

[+Manville Possum]

I just sent Brad W a PM requesting that my caches be locked until Groundspeak can sort this mess out. My responsabilty as a CO requires me to delete all bogus logs, but I can't just sit here and wait for this vulgar user to post so that I can delete. So as of now I am not responsable for the content that some users post on my cache pages. This is now a Groundspeak issue.

[+narcissa]

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.