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lemon16

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lemon16

+lemon16

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As was mentioned in the Feedback forum by jo_botmn, "I think a survey of what people want/use in a premium membership would have an interesting distribution."

 

http://feedback.geocaching.com/forums/75775-geocaching-com/suggestions/1420901-split-premium-memberships-into-3-different-levels?ref=title

 

So, this thread is being started for that purpose.

 

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The ones I use are:

 

- PQ's, about 1 per month

- Favorite votes

- Bookmark lists, especially ignore list

- email notifications

- map filters

- search results sorting

Andronicus

Andronicus

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As was mentioned in the Feedback forum by jo_botmn, "I think a survey of what people want/use in a premium membership would have an interesting distribution."

 

http://feedback.geocaching.com/forums/75775-geocaching-com/suggestions/1420901-split-premium-memberships-into-3-different-levels?ref=title

 

So, this thread is being started for that purpose.

 

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The ones I use are:

 

- PQ's, about 1 per month

- Favorite votes

- Bookmark lists, especially ignore list

- email notifications

- map filters

- search results sorting

 

I think I use those same ones, but I do use PQs a little more than once a month. Now that my Windows Mobile 6.5 phone is off the air (upgraded to a WP7 phone), I usualy use PQs to get caches into GCzII.

 

I think we need a compleat list of the PM features so that we can comment on ones we don't use.

 

Edit: here is the list

- PQ's

- Cache along a route

- Favorite votes

- Bookmark lists, especially ignore list

- email notifications

- map filters

- Custom Searches/Results Sorting

- Statistics

 

I use statistics from mygeocachingprofile.com (using a PQ), not GS, so I guess I don't use that one. Also, so far I have never used cache along a route.

Edited by Andronicus
Markwell

+Markwell

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:grin: Rate Your Favorites

:grin: Maps

:grin: Bookmarks

:grin: Pocket Queries

:grin: Be Instantly Notified of Geocaches

:grin: Caches Along a Route

:grin: Search Result sorting

:sad: Statistics

:sad: PM Caches

:sad: Off-Topic Forum

 

The only reason Stats gets a :sad: is that I don't really care about stats. Off-topic - I've never understood why I would go to a Geocaching site to talk about something else other than Geocaching. :blink:

Edited by Markwell
Chokecherry

+Chokecherry

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I use a bookmark lists, the statistics page, occasional OT forum usage. I have used PQ's two times and with that one time with caches along a route. I have little use for that feature.

 

Anyhow, with what I use I'll renew my membership this year but unless something better comes up I have a hard time justifying $30/year for a service I hardly use. And regardless of what people say this is a business. They are here to make money. I support them by buying their branded stuff and I don't get the warm fuzzies by donating to a business.

tozainamboku

+tozainamboku

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Waymarking Group Management

Waymarking peer review of new categories

Waymarking advanced search capability

Waymarking ignore lists

Waymarking favorites list

Waymark ratings

Waymark GPX files

Waymarker RSS feeds

Up to 10 Waymarking scavenger hunts (Basic members are only allowed 1)

 

I just mention these here so narcissa will agree with the OP that she shouldn't be charged for something she doesn't use.

Chrysalides

+Chrysalides

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I use just about all the PM benefits, some more often than others. If it is all broken down into a-la-carte pricing, the only one I'd actually pay money for is PQ, which I use a few times a week.

Manville Possum

+Manville Possum

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I use the instant notifications feature, I have created one bookmark. I am also able to vote in the peer review on the Waymarking site, and created a category that I manage there. :laughing:

I really don't like PMO caches that are PMO without any good reason other than to keep basic members from viewing them. :anitongue:

baloo&bd

+baloo&bd

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:grin: Maps

:grin: Bookmarks

:grin: Pocket Queries

:grin: Be Instantly Notified of Geocaches

:grin: Caches Along a Route

:grin: Search Result sorting

:sad: Statistics

:sad: PM Caches

:sad: Off-Topic Forum

 

 

Pretty much the same with one difference: :sad: Rate Your Favorites.

 

That's now, who knows what we'll use later.

 

One thing should also be noted, we do not PAY for the benefits, there kinda gravy for the money we give to support the site. We didn't know about a lot of the benefits until after we signed up for PM.

Edited by baloo&bd
Chokecherry

+Chokecherry

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We use PQs, bookmark list, notifications, PMO caches, favorites and the OT forum.

 

It's good to be a Premium Member. :D

Interestingly, PMO caches are not listed as a PM benefit (http://www.geocaching.com/Gift/benefits.aspx). That is a compleatly different topic, but it kind of answers some of the questions in that other thread.

Kinda funny considering only Premium Members can log them.

 

Non-premium members can log them. They just can't hop on the site and get the coordinates for them or see the cache pages.

IBcrashen

+IBcrashen

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I use PQ`s, bookmarks ( ignore list the most), Caches along route, instant notification ( dont know why, not into FTF).

But I do use all the Platinum member benefits ( sorry, cant list them in the forums).

WildNTexas

WildNTexas

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As was mentioned in the Feedback forum by jo_botmn, "I think a survey of what people want/use in a premium membership would have an interesting distribution."

 

http://feedback.geocaching.com/forums/75775-geocaching-com/suggestions/1420901-split-premium-memberships-into-3-different-levels?ref=title

 

So, this thread is being started for that purpose.

 

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The ones I use are:

 

- PQ's, about 1 per month

- Favorite votes

- Bookmark lists, especially ignore list

- email notifications

- map filters

- search results sorting

 

I don't have a premium account, but my husband does. As a husband/wife we just share the features of his premium account as paying double we think is just plain silly.

 

We download about 40 PQ's a month. (Out of the possible 150 in a 30 day month). Since we use Garmin GPS's. He downloads them to our GPS.

He has used a few Favorite votes, but not many. Even if I had a premium for the most part I wouldn't use them either unless it was just a really outstanding cache.

Bookmark lists... we don't really see the point. Once we have found a cache its a been there done that kinda thing. We think of bookmarks like the bookmarks in our browser. We allready been there. Why would we need to bookmark it and go back?

Map filters are kida nice. He likes that, & I do wish I had thet when looking at the maps. It would be nice to have a new map filter to "hide" all the caches that are disabled, & one to hide all the PMO caches.

 

As far as the premium feature for finding PMO caches. With the backdoor feature for logging a PMO, it isn't a big deal to us. Although it is a hassle when I want to view it on my iphone to read the hint, description, etc when we are hunting for a PMO. But then my husband just lets me use his iPhone to read the info as he uses the Garmin GPS to hunt the cache.

 

If Groundspeak/geocaching.com had a family plan, similar to the way cell phone companies have family plans. ie shared PQ's like having shared minutes etc... then we would have the family plan so I could take advantage of a few of the premium features.

 

But alas... no family plan membership. Thus no full premium for me.

 

WNT

BuckeyeClan

+BuckeyeClan

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PQ's

Map filters

Favorites

Off Topic Forum

 

Off-topic - I've never understood why I would go to a Geocaching site to talk about something else other than Geocaching. :blink:

 

I like the free donuts! :lol:

fizzymagic

+fizzymagic

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I use:

  • PQs
  • Caches Along a Route
  • Favorites
  • Bookmark lists (but it's painful)
  • Field Notes (but I have to fix them myself first)
  • My Finds Query
  • Android App
  • Send To GPS

 

I don't use (or use only rarely):

  • Friends
  • Trackables
  • Attributes
  • Souvenirs
  • Off Topic forum
  • Waymarks
  • Notifications
  • PMO caches
  • Twitter/Facebook updates

hzoi

+hzoi

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We do not use the ignore list, caches along a route, or the off topic forum. (Maybe a couple times on that last one, but not regularly.)

 

We use the heck out of pocket queries and bookmark lists, and use the other premium perks from time to time. And of course we search for premium member only caches.

Semper Questio

+Semper Questio

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- PQ's - 3 standard queries approximately weekly and a variety of as-needed queries

- Cache along a route - Any time we go anywhere.

- Favorite votes - Yes

- Bookmark lists - Yes

- email notifications - No

- map filters - Yes

- Custom Searches/Results Sorting - Occasionally

- Statistics - Most are enabled.

Sol seaker

+Sol seaker

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I can't imagine going out caching and not knowing where all the caches are. To think of spending a day trying to hit all the caches in the area, only to leave some because I hadn't bothered to support Groundspeak is just ridiculous to me.

 

Yes, if you're not a member, you may be able to log them, but you won't know where they are or be able to view the cache pages to get coordinates, so you'll have to be a leech on someone else's account. Yeah, sounds like integrity to me. Sure.

 

Likewise, to not be able to view bookmark lists... the game would not be the same. How can I find all the boat caches or night caches??

 

I LOVE the new favorite feature!! I hope it inspires better caches, now that cachers have something new to work toward. Not just numbers in their hides, but hides that get numbers!!!

 

Listed in order of important to me.

PMO caches

Off Topic Forum (I go there to laugh)

Bookmark Lists

Pocket Queries

Favorite Lists

Notifications

pppingme

+pppingme

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One thing should also be noted, we do not PAY for the benefits, there kinda gravy for the money we give to support the site.

This is an attitude I don't get or understand.

 

If this were a hobby site, sure that would be a nice attitude, but its not, its clearly a for profit company that generating revenues in the range of over 3 million per year and claims to have 40 employees.

StarBrand

+StarBrand

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One thing should also be noted, we do not PAY for the benefits, there kinda gravy for the money we give to support the site.

This is an attitude I don't get or understand.

 

If this were a hobby site, sure that would be a nice attitude, but its not, its clearly a for profit company that generating revenues in the range of over 3 million per year and claims to have 40 employees.

I get it.

 

I pay because it costs a lot of money for servers, software, bandwidth and knowledgeable folks to keep it all running. I recognize and understand that. The PM features ARE just gravy.

baloo&bd

+baloo&bd

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One thing should also be noted, we do not PAY for the benefits, there kinda gravy for the money we give to support the site.

This is an attitude I don't get or understand.

 

If this were a hobby site, sure that would be a nice attitude, but its not, its clearly a for profit company that generating revenues in the range of over 3 million per year and claims to have 40 employees.

 

Wow, I hope your numbers are way off because using those, this is "clearly" a "hobby site". Not sure where you got them and, to be honest, not really any of our business. But for discussion sake, we'll use them.

 

If each employee averages just $35K a year, and I would hope it is more livable and that there are probably many making much more, with minimal to no benefits that works out to a loaded rate of around $52. Pretty dang low wages and a bargain if you can find talent at that rate.

 

$37,5000 X 40 = $2,080,000.

 

This system is not run on used 486's and servers cost pretty good amounts. Not to mention there are licensing, maintenance, off site back-ups, rent, transportation, etc. With those figures you quoted, they would be running at a deficit pretty darn quick.

 

It is not a hobby site, it is for profit however that does not change my statement. I paid, even requested several times a lifetime membership price, so I would have a site to go to now and in the future where caches would be centrally located for me to access. Would I mumble about PQ's and other features I use going away. Yep, without a doubt and loudly. Would I use the argument I paid for those and as the customer I demand they stay. No way.

Gorak

+Gorak

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One thing should also be noted, we do not PAY for the benefits, there kinda gravy for the money we give to support the site.

This is an attitude I don't get or understand.

 

If this were a hobby site, sure that would be a nice attitude, but its not, its clearly a for profit company that generating revenues in the range of over 3 million per year and claims to have 40 employees.

You hit the nail on the head. Groundspeak is most definitely a for-profit company and not just in the biz for the "good of the game" or as a magnanimous gesture to the geocaching community. I have been a premium member since 2003 and I don't pretend that it is to "support" the efforts of TPTB. I pay because I want some specific services, namely PQ's and notifications. If the services offered to Premium Members were no different than those offered to everyone else, it is highly doubtful that I would feel inclined to send them money. And I doubt that the majority of PM's would, either. I'm also pretty sure that Groundspeak knows that, too.

 

To take that attitude that the Premium Member features are not what most are paying for when they subscribe may help a few folks feel good about themselves when they send that payment, but they're really only kidding themselves. Any way you spin it, they're still paying up-front for services rendered, just like most other service businesses. GreyWink.gif

 

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Castle Mischief

+Castle Mischief

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One thing should also be noted, we do not PAY for the benefits, there kinda gravy for the money we give to support the site. We didn't know about a lot of the benefits until after we signed up for PM.

 

I assure you, I'm paying for the PQs.

Happy Bubbles

+Happy Bubbles

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I never used any of my PM benefits. Back when I lived in the states I would occasionally find PMO caches, but there aren't any of those around where I live now. So, I let my membership lapse a couple years ago, and haven't missed it.

Isonzo Karst

+Isonzo Karst

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In no particular order:

 

Premium Features Used

  • Pocket Queries
  • Bookmarks
  • Favorites
  • PMO Caches
  • Geocaching maps

 

Premium Features Not Used

  • Statistics
  • Friends
  • Ignore List

 

Premium Features Rarely/Little Used

  • Notifications
  • Caches Along a Route
  • Off Topic

 

Notifications: I have notifications set for A.P.E. and Locationless caches :anibad:

I used to have them set for events, but the 50 mile limit meant that I had to find another way.

Edited by Isonzo Karst
JL_HSTRE

+JL_HSTRE

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In approximate order of how much I use/love them:

-Pocket Queries

-Statistics

-Map Filters

-Favorites

-Bookmarks

-Ignore List

-Caches Along A Route

 

Caches Along A Route is a very useful feature in theory. But it is immensely frustrating with Interstates/freeway travel (lots of access road caches) and really requires heavy user filtering to just get "interesting" caches worth stopping for (when we get Favorites in GPX files it should help this).

 

It took me awhile to use my Ignore List, but I've finally started recently. Mostly I use it to hide puzzle caches that I don't want to try to solve (particularly cyphers and codes aren't my thing).

 

I use Notifications but am not attached to them. I use them to get FTFs sometimes and it's nice to be able to make small additions rather than running PQs weekly.

 

I don't care much about Premium Member caches. I see merit in some of them, but have hidden none.

 

I don't use the Off Topic forum.

Castle Mischief

+Castle Mischief

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Premium Features Used With Crazy Frequency:

 

Notifications

Ignore List

Off Topic

Pocket Queries

Bookmarks

Favorites

Geocaching maps

 

Premium Features That I Use But Never Really Think About On A Conscious Level:

 

PMO Caches

Statistics

Friends

Caches Along a Route

 

Premium Features That I Use So Little That I Forgot They Exist:

 

Field Notes (Is that even a Premium Feature...?)

Send To GPS

Edited by Castle Mischief
NYPaddleCacher

+NYPaddleCacher

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:grin: waypoints in GPX format instead of LOC

:grin: Rate Your Favorites

:grin: Maps

:grin: Bookmarks

:grin: Pocket Queries

:grin: Be Instantly Notified of Geocaches

:grin: Caches Along a Route

:grin: Statistics

 

:sunsure: PM Caches

:sunsure: Off-Topic Forum

 

The only reason Stats gets a :sad: is that I don't really care about stats. Off-topic - I've never understood why I would go to a Geocaching site to talk about something else other than Geocaching. :blink:

 

Although I haven't really used the Off-topic forum I can certainly understand how a PM would consider it a benefit.

 

I've been involved in numerous on-line forums/discussion groups going back the 1984 or so and while that topic of discussion has ranged from narrow to broad it's not unusual for those that participate to become friends, first virtually, and occasionally in "real life" (for example, at large geoevents). As those friendships develop, traditionally communication has been "taken to email" for off-topic communication.

 

Although I come to this forum to talk about geocaching except for a few that I won't name I suspect that most of the participants are multi-faceted and have interests other than geocaching. Through my participation in this forum I've encountered others that share my interests in kayaking, flyfishing, darts, drinking good beer, technology, travel, and a variety of other topics. I really appreciate the fact that Groundspeak includes a forum just a click away that we, as geocachers, can discuss a variety of topics unrelated to geocaching, as friends.

 

In one of those other forum in which I participated in starting around 1988 or so there were a large group of regular participants, not unlike the regular contributors in this forum. Okay, if you must know, it was a Singles group on usenet and the regular members had a very broad interpretation of "Singles issues". Over time many of the regulars started to organize "meetups" and many of them became very good friends both virtually and in real life, even to this day after the usenet group is long gone.

Edited by NYPaddleCacher
Sioneva

+Sioneva

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In order of usage frequency:

 

Off Topic (seasonally)

Geocaching maps

Pocket Queries

Caches Along a Route

Favorites

Bookmarks

 

Barely ever used/noticed:

 

PMO Caches

Statistics

Friends

Ignore List

Notifications

 

As the weather changes and the caches become accessible again, I suspect my use of OT will go down considerably, but there's a good group there that I'd hate to lose touch with. :)

jo_botmn

+jo_botmn

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Since my name is in the inital post, I'll give my two cents on PM features.

 

My initial introduction to PM features was a couple of PMO caches within 100 miles of me. It annoyed me that I couldn't see the coodinates and details on the cache page. Especially one PMO cache 50 miles from my house in Rural Minnesota. We have so few caches--why limit who can see it?

 

Still I didn't become a PM until I realized the power of map filters, bookmark lists, and PQs. I became a PM and gifted PMs to the other two in my geocaching group (for my 250th cache find). We were about to go to Vegas and there were some PMO caches I wanted to see. I didn't know about the backdoor logging yet and I didn't want them to miss out on logging them.

 

My most used features:

GPX files

Bookmark lists

PQs

Favorites

Map Filters

Friends

Sortable searchs

Statistics

 

Not/rarely used:

Notifications

Caches along a route

Ignore list (I don't use it, but I like the option)

Off-Topic Forum--I didn't know there was one

 

PMO caches--I don't consider them a perk, just another piece of tupperware in the woods. Although, I have found quite a few of them. :laughing: I guess they should be in the first list.

TheAlabamaRambler

+TheAlabamaRambler

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:grin: Rate Your Favorites

:grin: Maps

:grin: Bookmarks

:grin: Pocket Queries

:grin: Be Instantly Notified of Geocaches

:grin: Caches Along a Route

:grin: Search Result sorting

:sad: Statistics

:sad: PM Caches

:sad: Off-Topic Forum

 

The only reason Stats gets a :sad: is that I don't really care about stats. Off-topic - I've never understood why I would go to a Geocaching site to talk about something else other than Geocaching. :blink:

I use them all.

 

I stayed out of Off Topic for years, then started playing in there, now I really enjoy having a moderated forum where I can discuss most anything under the sun and not have it degenerate into a flame war. Sure right now most of it is silly, but interesting discussions can and do take place there. It's the only well-moderated forum I have found to discuss anything.

ColoradoTrekker

+ColoradoTrekker

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Let's see, I get a good amount of use out of (in order):

 

- PQ's / GPX files

- email notifications

- Bookmark lists

- Favorite votes

- Cache along a route (if I traveled long distances more by car, this would get used more)

- map filters

 

I don't use:

 

- Custom Searches/Results Sorting

- Statistics

- Off topic forum

geodarts

+geodarts

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To take that attitude that the Premium Member features are not what most are paying for when they subscribe may help a few folks feel good about themselves when they send that payment, but they're really only kidding themselves. Any way you spin it, they're still paying up-front for services rendered, just like most other service businesses.

 

As Saul Alinsky taught, people belong to any organization out of a sense of self-interest -- and as a business, Groundspeak has to offer something in return for people's support. Still, I became a premium member as soon as I figured out that I would be geocaching now and then. I did not have a gpsr at the time, and was only doing caches that I could find based upon the description (in the days before google earth and the like). The "services rendered" was a place to find cache listings. Although I have always appreciated Groundspeak's commitment to keeping caching free.

 

Once I purchased a gpsr, the reasons for continuing my premium member became self evident. It is hard to imagine caching without it and I take most of the premium features for granted -- I do not even recall what they are unless I look at the list.

 

Pocket Queries -- I wouldn't leave home without it.

Caches Along a Route -- Any time I travel by car

Map Filters -- helpful for tracking down rare virtuals, earthcaches, or other "special icons."

 

Favorites are fun but they have not changed anything for me. Bookmarks are nice for "to do" lists -- and I have used them to create a list of local caches that I enjoyed and to help people through a series of caches on the mountain. Statistics may be the only one that I do not use at all.

Edited by mulvaney
Ecylram

+Ecylram

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Pocket queries. They are worth the price of admission.

 

I use PQ's to grab caches that match my mood. Non-traditionals, old caches, winter friendly, and those that fill out the requirements for various challenges.

 

The other premium features are somewhat useful, but it's the PQ's I most appreciate.

TeamSeekAndWeShallFind

+TeamSeekAndWeShallFind

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This is what I don't get...we choose to use the PMO cache, "perk," with our PAID MEMBERSHIP but we get bashed for it ! The best part is, those doing ALL the bashing aren't regular/NON-PAYING members, THEY'RE ALL PREMIUM MEMBERS !

 

The bashers enjoy and use all the other little perks a PM affords them but when it comes to the PMO cache perk, they all freak out and call us who excercise and choose to use that perk, "elitists." They say we're ostracizing regular, NON-PAYING members !

 

Isn't this a litte, no,isn't it A LOT, hypocritical ?

 

It makes ZERO SENSE to me !

 

I have NEVER, NOT ONCE, seen or read a complaint ANYWHERE from a regular/NON-PAYING member about PMO caches ! Not on the GC.com site or in the Groundspeak forums. All the complaining about PMO caches is done by PREMIUM MEMBERS !

 

The only experience we've had with regular/NON-PAYING members in reference to our PMO caches is when they've written to us and asked if they could log one or more of them. They were either with a family member or friend who was a PREMIUM MEMBER when they found the cache(s). We ALWAYS say yes and immediately change the status of said cache(s) to accomodate their logging process.

 

I'd also like to state that we appreciate the courtesy from these regular/NON-PAYING members because they asked permission to log our PMO caches instead of sneaking through the back door like a thief in the night. The backdoor thing is a whole other story and an option that needs to be eliminated.

 

It's not right or fair to offer the PMO cache status option as a perk if you pay and then offer those who don't pay the same perk by allowing them to bypass the PAID PERK PMO CACHE OPTION by means of a sneaky backdoor. In my opinion, that's sleazy and if I purchased my Premium membership solely because of the ability to make my caches PMO and then I found out it was a lie and my caches weren't really PMO, I'd be even more ticked off about the whole thing.

 

It's a bit like me purchasing a First Class airline ticket. I'm paying for certain extras/perks right ? Then there are empty seats in First Class so the airline feels sorry for the passengers in Coach and allows them to come and take the empty seats in First Class.

 

If I paid $1,500 buck for a First Class airline ticket and I wake up from my nap to find a guy from Coach who paid $400 bucks for his ticket sitting next to me enjoying all the perks and extras I paid for, you're darn right I'm going to be ticked off and I'm going to feel taken and cheated by the airline !

 

I say, if you feel so much pity and sadness for the regular/NON-PAYING members then why don't you become one ???

 

Edit: I would like to add that to date, our PMO caches are SOLELY responsible for 9 regular/NON-PAYING members upgrading to Premium Memberships !This is the number we know about because these 9 members stated in their logs that after they found this or that PMO cache of ours, they enjoyed it/them so much, they wanted to become Premium Members so they could hunt other PMO caches.

Unlike some others out there who seem to be angry at the thought that Groundspeak actually makes money, we're THRILLED that we could, in our own small way, contribute to the prospering of this great site that we use EVERYDAY and are proud to be members of.

Edited by TeamSeekAndWeShallFind
BruceS

+BruceS

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It's not right or fair to offer the PMO cache status option as a perk if you pay and then offer those who don't pay the same perk by allowing them to bypass the PAID PERK PMO CACHE OPTION by means of a sneaky backdoor. In my opinion, that's sleazy and if I purchased my Premium membership solely because of the ability to make my caches PMO and then I found out it was a lie and my caches weren't really PMO, I'd be even more ticked off about the whole thing.

 

It's a bit like me purchasing a First Class airline ticket. I'm paying for certain extras/perks right ? Then there are empty seats in First Class so the airline feels sorry for the passengers in Coach and allows them to come and take the empty seats in First Class.

 

If I paid $1,500 buck for a First Class airline ticket and I wake up from my nap to find a guy from Coach who paid $400 bucks for his ticket sitting next to me enjoying all the perks and extras I paid for, you're darn right I'm going to be ticked off and I'm going to feel taken and cheated by the airline !

 

 

Life is not fair. Maybe the well known and accepted "backdoor" method thus not sneaky at all should not be a backdoor just let non-premium member log them the same way a premium member does. That way it would not be "sneaky" A non-premium member does not need to ask your permission they can log without it.

 

By the way if you pay $1,500 for that First Class airline ticket you may as well start getting "ticked off" and "feel taken and cheated by the airline" now... probably a good chance that more than half of those sitting up next to you didn't pay that $1,500 but paid that $400 or less for a coach seat and got a free upgrade. I have only flown ten fights in the last month and all in first and haven't paid for a single one. Life is not fair. :)

 

I haven't used any of the "normal" premium features in years. No pocket queries, no pmo caches, no fancy maps.... only ones I have used are the few Waymarking ones :o

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Penlowe

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Obviously I don't have a Premium account, but I don't understand what a Pocket Query is, please explain. (i.e. what is it if it's worth the premium price to so many?)

Chokecherry

+Chokecherry

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It's not right or fair to offer the PMO cache status option as a perk if you pay and then offer those who don't pay the same perk by allowing them to bypass the PAID PERK PMO CACHE OPTION by means of a sneaky backdoor. In my opinion, that's sleazy and if I purchased my Premium membership solely because of the ability to make my caches PMO and then I found out it was a lie and my caches weren't really PMO, I'd be even more ticked off about the whole thing.

 

It's a bit like me purchasing a First Class airline ticket. I'm paying for certain extras/perks right ? Then there are empty seats in First Class so the airline feels sorry for the passengers in Coach and allows them to come and take the empty seats in First Class.

 

If I paid $1,500 buck for a First Class airline ticket and I wake up from my nap to find a guy from Coach who paid $400 bucks for his ticket sitting next to me enjoying all the perks and extras I paid for, you're darn right I'm going to be ticked off and I'm going to feel taken and cheated by the airline !

 

 

Life is not fair. Maybe the well known and accepted "backdoor" method thus not sneaky at all should not be a backdoor just let non-premium member log them the same way a premium member does. That way it would not be "sneaky" A non-premium member does not need to ask your permission they can log without it.

 

By the way if you pay $1,500 for that First Class airline ticket you may as well start getting "ticked off" and "feel taken and cheated by the airline" now... probably a good chance that more than half of those sitting up next to you didn't pay that $1,500 but paid that $400 or less for a coach seat and got a free upgrade. I have only flown ten fights in the last month and all in first and haven't paid for a single one. Life is not fair. :)

 

I haven't used any of the "normal" premium features in years. No pocket queries, no pmo caches, no fancy maps.... only ones I have used are the few Waymarking ones :o

 

Don't fly often but more than half of the flights I have taken have resulted in me getting an upgrade for free. Done the same with hotel rooms too.

 

Anyhow, since there aren't many people around here who hide PMO caches this is kind of a non-issue where I live. Most people just want to enjoy the hobby with other people and don't want to limit it. When/if I hide caches I don't intend ot make them PMO so that will be another perk I won't be using.

 

I don't see basic members are freeloading or something to get hostile about. They're just other people enjoying the hobby. When one takes it that serious that it bothers them to the point of writing a huge rant about fair/unfair it might be time to step back from the hobby and take a little breather.

cerberus1

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I stopped doing PMO caches when it was found that PMO didn't mean they were better caches.

Lamp post skirt and guardrail hides made PMO seemed silly to me. I don't do those types of hides, whether they're PMO or not.

Being hassled by micro-managing COs simply because I "looked" at a cache page didn't help.

My other 2/3rds sometimes will go after them if she knows the CO and if she can access it without dragging me along.

 

We use:

Cache along a route

Maps

Instant notifications

Favorites - We've given some favorites, but most are logged on caches long archived.

Ignore list - Love to be able to hit the ignore for PMO (w/o having to log on it ) someday, or an "Ignore this CO". Would make searching caches that much easier.

Off Topic - Rarely have anything to add.

We've been premium members within weeks of joining, so we really don't remember what it was we'd be missing. :)

4wheelin_fool

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It's not right or fair to offer the PMO cache status option as a perk if you pay and then offer those who don't pay the same perk by allowing them to bypass the PAID PERK PMO CACHE OPTION by means of a sneaky backdoor. In my opinion, that's sleazy and if I purchased my Premium membership solely because of the ability to make my caches PMO and then I found out it was a lie and my caches weren't really PMO, I'd be even more ticked off about the whole thing.

 

 

You are getting all riled up over the phrase "backdoor method". The PMO feature is only designed to block people from viewing the cache page, it was never intended to block people from logging the caches if they wanted to.

 

 

Several years ago there were a few people who had PMO caches that deleted finds from regular members, but only because they could back then. It was never a Groundspeak mandate for them to do so, or intended by Groundspeak to stop people from logging finds. If someone could figure out how to get the coords, then they were also welcome to figure out how to log them as finds.

 

 

The feature is only intended to limit people from viewing the page. If someone was expecting more, then they are expecting something that was not intended to be implemented. If someone found it, why would you not want them to communicate that? Found logs are a basic form of communication, nothing more and nothing less. If somebody wants to imagine that they mean something different such as a reward, they are welcome to but the basic meaning will still remain.

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JBnW

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Obviously I don't have a Premium account, but I don't understand what a Pocket Query is, please explain. (i.e. what is it if it's worth the premium price to so many?)

PQs are a very good way to select caches that you may be interested in finding; either by location, route, type, etc. They have the ability to filter for which caches you do want, and filter out those you don't want. Completely customizable. Each PQ will give you up to 1000 caches, and you can run up to 5 PQs per day. Much better than scrolling around a map, and downloading .GPX or .LOC files to your GPS one at a time.

 

And welcome to the game! If you get a chance, please follow the hyperlink in my signature, and vote for a free donut! :) Hope this helps!

bflentje

+bflentje

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I am fascinated by the number of folks that claim they get airline upgrades more often than not. During 10 years in the Navy flying around the world and throughout my remaining life, I've logged over 400,000 miles on commercial airlines. There's only ONE instance I can ever recall where the flight wasn't packed shoulder to shoulder.

 

On topic.. Can't live without PQs and Caching Along A Route. Everything else I could take or leave.

Penlowe

+Penlowe

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JBnW:

Thanks! I get it now, and yes, that alone does seem very worthwhile! not in my budget at the immediate moment (ahh first of the month blues...)

 

OT: fond my first micro today :happy dance:

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