+WyseGuys Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 While maybe not a big deal, the new Iowa souvenir (which I really like) isn't entirely correct. It states that "Iowa is the only state whose west and east borders are 100% formed by water — the Missouri and Mississippi rivers, respectively." However, there is a small segment of Iowa that juts across the Missouri river and "into Nebraska", so to speak. Look closely at a map of the north Omaha area and you will see "Carter Lake" Iowa. To drive from the city of Omaha to the airport, you actually pass through Iowa without ever crossing the river. There are a few Iowa caches on the west side of the Missouri river. Quote Link to comment
GOF and Bacall Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Sounds like there could be an interesting story in there somewhere. Quote Link to comment
+39chevy Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Carter Lake was on the east side of the Missouri until the river did what it has always done and went where it wanted to. Quote Link to comment
+ArcherDragoon Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I am still waiting for my North Dakota award!!! I have California...and that is just one moving cache...hilarious!!! Quote Link to comment
+catsnfish Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Carter Lake was on the east side of the Missouri until the river did what it has always done and went where it wanted to. A City Separated EarthCache details how this came about. Quote Link to comment
+Harry Dolphin Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 While maybe not a big deal, the new Iowa souvenir (which I really like) isn't entirely correct. It states that "Iowa is the only state whose west and east borders are 100% formed by water — the Missouri and Mississippi rivers, respectively." Hmm... The west border of New Jerey is the Delaware River/Delaware Bay, and the east border is the Hudson River/Kill van Kull and the Atlantic Ocean. So, New Jersey qualifies. Quote Link to comment
+hukilaulau Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 While maybe not a big deal, the new Iowa souvenir (which I really like) isn't entirely correct. It states that "Iowa is the only state whose west and east borders are 100% formed by water — the Missouri and Mississippi rivers, respectively." Hmm... The west border of New Jerey is the Delaware River/Delaware Bay, and the east border is the Hudson River/Kill van Kull and the Atlantic Ocean. So, New Jersey qualifies. You probably have to include Hawaii in there, too! Quote Link to comment
+hukilaulau Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I read the story, and it is indeed a fascinating, unique bit of history and geography. Thanks for pointing this out! Quote Link to comment
+MontyFam Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) Florida? East coast is the ocean, west coast is a river and the ocean... Edited January 20, 2011 by MoFryFam Quote Link to comment
+gpsfun Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Hmm... The west border of New Jerey is the Delaware River/Delaware Bay, and the east border is the Hudson River/Kill van Kull and the Atlantic Ocean. So, New Jersey qualifies. Actually not correct. There is a small piece of land on the east side of the Delaware River/Delaware Bay that is part of Delaware. There's a long story involved there too - but the piece of land can be easily seen on Google Maps just west of the Killcohook National Wildlife Refuge. The NWR is in New Jersey, and the adjoining land just west of it is part of Delaware. An interesting piece of trivia, and a winning bar bet - if you bring your laptop with you to prove it. Quote Link to comment
+NYPaddleCacher Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I am still waiting for my North Dakota award!!! I have California...and that is just one moving cache...hilarious!!! North Dakota is next on the list of souvenirs to be released. You'll probably get it in a few days. If you know which moving cache is responsible for the California award go to this thread and add a response. Moun10bike is maintaining a bookmark list of locationless and moving caches that are causing souvenirs to be award to those that haven't found a cache of that type. He intends on making the list available to the developers at groundspeadk so that they can use it as a blacklist. There's really no other way to do it since moving caches don't have a unique cache type that can be used as a filter. Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Florida? East coast is the ocean, west coast is a river and the ocean... Alabama is on Florida's western border. Quote Link to comment
+rosebud55112 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Another reason why this statement is wrong is that a good chunk of Iowas's western border (about 75 miles as the crow flies, longer as the fish swims) is actually the Big Sioux River, not the Missouri River. Quote Link to comment
+bflentje Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Carter Lake was on the east side of the Missouri until the river did what it has always done and went where it wanted to. A City Separated EarthCache details how this came about. This cool looking Earthcache is in blatant violation of the Earthcache guidelines. You can NO LONGER demand that photos be posted unless it is specific to the lesson of the earthcache. But hey, that's a different topic. Quote Link to comment
+Castle Mischief Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) Hey, at least your state is upright in the preview image. Edit: Edited January 20, 2011 by Castle Mischief Quote Link to comment
+GeoGeeBee Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Florida? East coast is the ocean, west coast is a river and the ocean... Alabama is on Florida's western border. Which doesn't contradict what sbell111 said. The Perdido River and Perdido Bay form the border between Alabama and Florida. Quote Link to comment
+Castle Mischief Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Florida? East coast is the ocean, west coast is a river and the ocean... Alabama is on Florida's western border. Which doesn't contradict what sbell111 said. The Perdido River and Perdido Bay form the border between Alabama and Florida. I think you mean "...what MoFryFam said". Quote Link to comment
+MontyFam Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Righteo - Florida is bordered completely by water (east and west) Quote Link to comment
+Harry Dolphin Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Hmm... The west border of New Jerey is the Delaware River/Delaware Bay, and the east border is the Hudson River/Kill van Kull and the Atlantic Ocean. So, New Jersey qualifies. Actually not correct. There is a small piece of land on the east side of the Delaware River/Delaware Bay that is part of Delaware. There's a long story involved there too - but the piece of land can be easily seen on Google Maps just west of the Killcohook National Wildlife Refuge. The NWR is in New Jersey, and the adjoining land just west of it is part of Delaware. An interesting piece of trivia, and a winning bar bet - if you bring your laptop with you to prove it. Yes. Delaware owns the river to the Jersey shoreline (within a certain radius of some point in Delaware. (How's that for historic research?)) The land that you mention was an island. The fact that it may no longer be an island does not affect the fact that New Jersey's western border is defined by the Delaware River. So there! Quote Link to comment
+Sioneva Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Carter Lake was on the east side of the Missouri until the river did what it has always done and went where it wanted to. A City Separated EarthCache details how this came about. This cool looking Earthcache is in blatant violation of the Earthcache guidelines. You can NO LONGER demand that photos be posted unless it is specific to the lesson of the earthcache. But hey, that's a different topic. Besides, it's not even catsnfish's EC, so yelling at them doesn't accomplish anything. Quote Link to comment
+EscapeFromFlatland Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) While maybe not a big deal, the new Iowa souvenir (which I really like) isn't entirely correct. It states that "Iowa is the only state whose west and east borders are 100% formed by water — the Missouri and Mississippi rivers, respectively." However, there is a small segment of Iowa that juts across the Missouri river and "into Nebraska", so to speak. Look closely at a map of the north Omaha area and you will see "Carter Lake" Iowa. To drive from the city of Omaha to the airport, you actually pass through Iowa without ever crossing the river. There are a few Iowa caches on the west side of the Missouri river. It also forgets the Big Sioux river by Sioux City (Sewer City), where the Missouri River curves off towards the lands of the Mandan and Hidatsa. Edited January 20, 2011 by bramasoleiowa Quote Link to comment
+TerraViators Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 A bit off-topic, so please ecuse me. Many people believe the Red River is the southern border of Oklahoma with Texas, but the actual state line as defined by both state's legislatures is the vegetation line on the south bank of the river. The entire Red River is owned by the state of Oklahoma. Quote Link to comment
+EscapeFromFlatland Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) A bit off-topic, so please ecuse me. Many people believe the Red River is the southern border of Oklahoma with Texas, but the actual state line as defined by both state's legislatures is the vegetation line on the south bank of the river. The entire Red River is owned by the state of Oklahoma. That;s one long river if it goes from Texas to Winnipeg. Edited January 21, 2011 by bramasoleiowa Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Florida? East coast is the ocean, west coast is a river and the ocean... Alabama is on Florida's western border. Which doesn't contradict what sbell111 said. The Perdido River and Perdido Bay form the border between Alabama and Florida. Prior to responding to that post, I pulled up Florida's western border using Google's sat map. Zooming all the way in to 50ft on the northern part of the western border, there is no river to be found. Quote Link to comment
Mr.Yuck Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 A bit off-topic, so please ecuse me. Many people believe the Red River is the southern border of Oklahoma with Texas, but the actual state line as defined by both state's legislatures is the vegetation line on the south bank of the river. The entire Red River is owned by the state of Oklahoma. That;s one long river if it goes from Texas to Winnipeg. No, that's why the other one in North Dakota and Manitoba is often referred to as "The Red River of The North". In before the lock. Or at least in before Moderator intervention. Quote Link to comment
+Isonzo Karst Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) The boundary between Alabama and Florida is defined in the State Constitution as from the center of the mouth of Perdido River and thence up the center of the Perido River..."to the point of intersection with the South boundary of the State of Alabama at Latitude N 31." The western boundary of Florida is entirely defined by the Perdido River (and yes, it still exists into Alabama). Only Florida's north boundary isn't entirely defined by water. "Iowa is the only state whose west and east borders are 100% formed by water — the Missouri and Mississippi rivers, respectively." The only land locked state I guess, is implied? : Edited January 21, 2011 by Isonzo Karst Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 The boundary between Alabama and Florida is defined in the State Constitution as from the center of the mouth of Perdido River and thence up the center of the Perido River..."to the point of intersection with the South boundary of the State of Alabama at Latitude N 31." The western boundary of Florida is entirely defined by the Perdido River (and yes, it still exists into Alabama). Only Florida's north boundary isn't entirely defined by water. Take a look at the 'sat' map. If there is water there, you can step over it without getting your feet wet. Quote Link to comment
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