Moun10Bike Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I've just finished compiling a list of all caches that I know of that should be excluded from statistics (the distance- and state- or country-based ones) and souvenirs. These have been compiled from existing bookmark lists, my own experiences, and emails and other direct messages from cachers. The list lives here: Caches Excluded from Statistics and Souvenirs I've also just finished adding all of these to our master list in the database. This means that if your statistics have incorrectly indicated a state you've never been to or showed a traveling cache as your most distant find when you actually found it just down the street, your stats should now be correct. Souvenirs are unfortunately not calculated dynamically, so those that have already been released will not be affected by this change. You are welcome to email contact@geocaching.com asking to have any souvenirs removed that you have not been correctly awarded. Do you know of any other caches that should be included in this list? Keep in mind that locationless caches are already excluded as a class from souvenirs and statistics, so they will not be added. We will also not be adding any caches with what I call "alternative" logging practices (e.g. long-distance paired multicaches that encourage the finder of a cache in city A to log the matching cache in city B without ever visiting city B, etc.). Thanks! Quote Link to comment
+addisonbr Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I don't have anything to add right now, but thanks for being proactive on this Moun10Bike. A shared bookmark list is a great idea. Quote Link to comment
+Avernar Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 GC7572 Brogan's Caching Karma Stick is not on the list. Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 GC7572 Brogan's Caching Karma Stick is not on the list. Added - thanks! Quote Link to comment
GOF and Bacall Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 GC7572 Brogan's Caching Karma Stick is not on the list. Nope, it's in my back hall right now. Quote Link to comment
+JPatton Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Can you add this one to the list? http://coord.info/GCG76G A drug stash was found in the area, the owner archived it and changed the coordinates to all zero's. It really messing up my stats. Thanks. Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 Can you add this one to the list? http://coord.info/GCG76G A drug stash was found in the area, the owner archived it and changed the coordinates to all zero's. It really messing up my stats. Thanks. Thanks - I've corrected the coordinates to what they appear to have been originally. Quote Link to comment
+Harry Dolphin Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) Would suggest Pennsylvania NGS Benchmark Recovery Cache . Wouldn't affect states, but might affect distance, and counties. I thank you kind sir! My stats look much better with furthest cache in Florida, nad furthest west in Kentucky! Edited January 20, 2011 by Harry Dolphin Quote Link to comment
+Corfman Clan Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Perhaps Photograph Arizona should be on the list too. Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 Would suggest Pennsylvania NGS Benchmark Recovery Cache . Wouldn't affect states, but might affect distance, and counties. I thank you kind sir! My stats look much better with furthest cache in Florida, nad furthest west in Kentucky! Added, and my pleasure! Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 Perhaps Photograph Arizona should be on the list too. Added - thanks! Quote Link to comment
+TerraViators Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 What a great list! Pardom me if this is off-topic, but how does a geocacher know where to find a traveling cache? Or is just by luck and knowing what you've found? Quote Link to comment
+JL_HSTRE Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 1) Great list - thanks for compiling this! I wonder if this should be stickied because I'm sure a month from now this thread will die off then someone will ask again... 2) Is there any reason why the 'pretty much a locationless' caches aren't just changed to actual Locationaless Caches? 3) I wish Moving Caches had their own icon. how does a geocacher know where to find a traveling cache? Or is just by luck and knowing what you've found? Get lucky when one of them shows up at an Event near you. I didn't realize they still existed until one showed up near me because TeamSnook is bring it to Cacheapalooza 5. Quote Link to comment
+addisonbr Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 What a great list! Pardom me if this is off-topic, but how does a geocacher know where to find a traveling cache? Or is just by luck and knowing what you've found? Some of the "true" traveling caches (i.e., the ones that aren't just lugged around to events for everyone to sign) I keep on my watchlist so that if they turn up nearby I have a shot at running out and grabbing them. Quote Link to comment
+msrubble Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) 8th Anniversary of CITO in MN (available ANY day). Name changes periodically. It's a grandfathered "log it anywhere in Minnesota" CITO event cache. So it is in Minnesota, but could give misleading ideas on distance. [edited to add:] Huh, it's already there. Why couldn't I find it when I searched for the GC code? Edited January 20, 2011 by msrubble Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 8th Anniversary of CITO in MN (available ANY day). Name changes periodically. It's a grandfathered "log it anywhere in Minnesota" CITO event cache. So it is in Minnesota, but could give misleading ideas on distance. Added - thanks! Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 2) Is there any reason why the 'pretty much a locationless' caches aren't just changed to actual Locationaless Caches? I thought it would be a good idea to do that for accuracy's sake, but when I tried it with "Four Windows" a couple of weeks ago, the outrage from the community was pretty resounding. 3) I wish Moving Caches had their own icon. Won't happen unless Jeremy changes his mind. Quote Link to comment
+NOSNOW Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 How about GC1965 - One Flew over the Cuckoo´s Nest Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 How about GC1965 - One Flew over the Cuckoo´s Nest Already in the list! Quote Link to comment
+Caped Crusader Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Here's another one for the list. GCDB76 JAC0B's MOVING Cache #3. Sorry I can't post the link from my phone and thanks for all of your work. CC Quote Link to comment
+Isonzo Karst Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 GC36F3 Meet with your Government Agents Listed as an Event, operated as a Locationless, type changed to Virt somewhere along the way. Quote Link to comment
+Isonzo Karst Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 GCF2A3 Langenstein Like 4 Windows, this is a couch potato virtual, email the owner with "what's at the coords" to log. Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 Here's another one for the list. GCDB76 JAC0B's MOVING Cache #3. Sorry I can't post the link from my phone and thanks for all of your work. CC Thanks, but that one's already in the list! Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 GC36F3 Meet with your Government Agents Listed as an Event, operated as a Locationless, type changed to Virt somewhere along the way. Thanks - added! Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 GCF2A3 Langenstein Like 4 Windows, this is a couch potato virtual, email the owner with "what's at the coords" to log. Added! Quote Link to comment
+niraD Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 2) Is there any reason why the 'pretty much a locationless' caches aren't just changed to actual Locationaless Caches?I thought it would be a good idea to do that for accuracy's sake, but when I tried it with "Four Windows" a couple of weeks ago, the outrage from the community was pretty resounding.The problem with couch potato caches is that they aren't really locationless caches. They aren't really virtual caches either, but Groundspeak doesn't have a "couch potato" cache type, so there isn't a way to identify them correctly. Given that they can't be identified correctly, the choice is based on side effects. The side effect of listing them as virtual caches is that they seem to have a location, which screws with statistics until Groundspeak flags them so they're ignored for statistical purposes. The side effect of listing them as locationless is that some newcomers get the locationless icon long after locationless caches were archived and locked, and the statistics of others who logged couch potato virtual caches are changed. That's what brought the complaints. Quote Link to comment
+addisonbr Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 The side effect of listing them as locationless is that some newcomers get the locationless icon long after locationless caches were archived and locked That was classic dog in a manger. Quote Link to comment
+The Seanachai Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 GCGPA6 - Postpigeon Race #9 (Yellow) Old moving cache. Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 GCGPA6 - Postpigeon Race #9 (Yellow) Old moving cache. Added - thanks! Quote Link to comment
+JPatton Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Another moving cache: http://coord.info/GCD4AE Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 Another moving cache: http://coord.info/GCD4AE Thanks - I've added that cache along with the other formerly traveling caches in that series. Quote Link to comment
+BoMS Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 GC19GK9 Digging a very deep hole is already on your list, but is listed as a traveling cache. It's not traveling - it's a mystery with great distance between listed and actual coordinates. Quote Link to comment
+edscott Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Although "Four Windows" GCF55A is on the master list and no longer affects my latitude stats, it still gives me Germany on my visited countries map. Was this statistic supposed to have been eliminated by the original fix? Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 GC19GK9 Digging a very deep hole is already on your list, but is listed as a traveling cache. It's not traveling - it's a mystery with great distance between listed and actual coordinates. Thanks, I've corrected that. Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 Although "Four Windows" GCF55A is on the master list and no longer affects my latitude stats, it still gives me Germany on my visited countries map. Was this statistic supposed to have been eliminated by the original fix? The map to which you refer is not being generated by us; it is coming from MyGeocachingProfile.com which is simply reading what is present in the GPX file you uploaded there. When we roll out our own maps at the next release, Four Windows will be ignored and you will not see Germany on your map. Quote Link to comment
+Avernar Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Looks like something went wrong with the exclusion list. I just got the British Columbia souvenir for Bernie's Travelling Geocache. Quote Link to comment
+Harry Dolphin Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 They seem to be excluded from distance, but not from veneers. Oh, well. At least my distances are correct. So, I have strange decorative artwork? Oh, well. Quote Link to comment
+Corp Of Discovery Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Here are a few I've found that aren't on your list: www.wherespo.com KLINGON BIRD of PREY Micro-Traveler Now You See It, Now You Don't(moves within a limited area) Hmmm, in addition to those three I've also found 5 others already on the list: The Corps of Discovery, Moving Target, Photographer's Cache: Chicago Style, The Photographer's Cache III & Geocaching Nut Traveling Cache. Think I'll try and track down a couple of more and make it an even 10. Quote Link to comment
+TwoCat Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Penndel Cache (archived) has tudes out in the ocean, causing Find Farthest East to show as Pennsylvania. Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted February 4, 2011 Author Share Posted February 4, 2011 Here are a few I've found that aren't on your list: www.wherespo.com KLINGON BIRD of PREY Micro-Traveler Now You See It, Now You Don't(moves within a limited area) Hmmm, in addition to those three I've also found 5 others already on the list: The Corps of Discovery, Moving Target, Photographer's Cache: Chicago Style, The Photographer's Cache III & Geocaching Nut Traveling Cache. Think I'll try and track down a couple of more and make it an even 10. Thanks! I've added the first two to the list; I'm leaving off the last one (for now) since it looks like it was always in the same general area (i.e. is unlikely to give in unwarranted souvenir or invalid most distant cache). Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted February 4, 2011 Author Share Posted February 4, 2011 Penndel Cache (archived) has tudes out in the ocean, causing Find Farthest East to show as Pennsylvania. Rather than add that one to the list, I've just corrected the coordinates to what they used to be. Quote Link to comment
+Mr. 0 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 How about GC350A Geographic Center - Bull's Eye in North Dakota? When I click on it, it comes back with an error page now, but it's essentially the same as GC3507. Both were formerly locationless caches. Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted February 4, 2011 Author Share Posted February 4, 2011 How about GC350A Geographic Center - Bull's Eye in North Dakota? When I click on it, it comes back with an error page now, but it's essentially the same as GC3507. Both were formerly locationless caches. Thanks! I've added that one to the list. Quote Link to comment
+Sharks-N-Beans Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 We're a little confused. If Traveling Caches are against the guidelines, why do they continue to be published? Quote Link to comment
+Isonzo Karst Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 We're a little confused. If Traveling Caches are against the guidelines, why do they continue to be published? You are confused - traveling cache aren't being published, haven't been for 8 years. The purpose of this thread is to identify caches to exclude from statistics and souvenirs, usually because the posted coordinates on the cache page aren't close to where/what a cacher logged them. Most of the caches on that list are from 2003 or earlier. Quote Link to comment
+The Weasel Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I've just finished compiling a list of all caches that I know of that should be excluded from statistics (the distance- and state- or country-based ones) and souvenirs. These have been compiled from existing bookmark lists, my own experiences, and emails and other direct messages from cachers. The list lives here: Caches Excluded from Statistics and Souvenirs I've also just finished adding all of these to our master list in the database. This means that if your statistics have incorrectly indicated a state you've never been to or showed a traveling cache as your most distant find when you actually found it just down the street, your stats should now be correct. Souvenirs are unfortunately not calculated dynamically, so those that have already been released will not be affected by this change. You are welcome to email contact@geocaching.com asking to have any souvenirs removed that you have not been correctly awarded. Do you know of any other caches that should be included in this list? Keep in mind that locationless caches are already excluded as a class from souvenirs and statistics, so they will not be added. We will also not be adding any caches with what I call "alternative" logging practices (e.g. long-distance paired multicaches that encourage the finder of a cache in city A to log the matching cache in city B without ever visiting city B, etc.). Thanks! Anyway to change your mind about not allowing the locationless? A smiley is a smiley afterall Quote Link to comment
+niraD Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Anyway to change your mind about not allowing the locationless? A smiley is a smiley afterall I think you misunderstand. Old finds on locationless caches still count as a find, and still give you a smiley. But given the nature of locationless caches, it doesn't make sense to report statistics (or to award souvenirs) based on their locations. Quote Link to comment
+The Weasel Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Anyway to change your mind about not allowing the locationless? A smiley is a smiley afterall I think you misunderstand. Old finds on locationless caches still count as a find, and still give you a smiley. But given the nature of locationless caches, it doesn't make sense to report statistics (or to award souvenirs) based on their locations. No I totally understand, what I am getting at is if you get a smiley for the cache type (even locationless), then you should get all the rewards that go with it. I look at it this way, did I meet all the qualifications when I logged the locationless caches...yes. I feel that since you claimed the cache the right way, it should count towards the new stats/maps/ and souvineers. Quote Link to comment
+dfx Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) No I totally understand, what I am getting at is if you get a smiley for the cache type (even locationless), then you should get all the rewards that go with it. I look at it this way, did I meet all the qualifications when I logged the locationless caches...yes. I feel that since you claimed the cache the right way, it should count towards the new stats/maps/ and souvineers. But you can "find" locationless "caches" using locations anywhere on the globe. If you've "found" a locationless "cache" that's listed in Arizona using a location that's in Iowa, it doesn't make sense to give you the Arizona souvenir or show a found cache in Arizona for you, as you've never been there. The country/state/region designation of locationless "caches" is purely arbitrary. It would make more sense if it counted as a find in Iowa, but unfortunately the coordinate/region mapping is non-trivial. Edited February 7, 2011 by dfx Quote Link to comment
+edscott Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Here's a Locationless Cache that must not be on the list. It is giving me a Washington Souvenir that I do not really have. GC9253 Quote Link to comment
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