Inappropriate travel bug???

April 10, 2003

I ran across this Rudolf

Am I the only one who thinks this in inappropriate?

What do you think?

24.7k · April 10, 2003

What exactly is inappropriate about it?

I've seen worse at the zoo, and they call that natural.

Yes you have a naked monkey. But his hand doesn't seem to be attached to his anotomicaly correct appendage. So far as I can tell he's just naked.

Ever seen a PG-13 movie? "non sexual" nudity is allowed. I recon they think 13 year olds have seen it before. If they have been to the zoo they have seen more than that.

Still in the end it's geocaching.com's decision.

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April 10, 2003

"Natural" ???

In someones dreams maybe. lol

April 10, 2003

I think it's bad taste. But, you can't make a rule to ban everything that's in bad taste. I wish people would be a bit more mature. I deal with adolescent humor on a daily basis. I wish it would not creep into geocaching.

April 10, 2003

I found it highly offensive and totally inappropriate. Any idea where I can buy one of those?

Seriously though, although amusing, hopefully parents planning on doing a cache one of these is in will check the photo before taking the kids to it.

There is a difference between a 'natural' monkey at the zoo, and a cartoon stuffed monkey that's a (ahem) Long way from being anatomically 'correct'.

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24.7k · April 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by HearingTurtle:
_"Natural"_ ???

In someones dreams maybe. lol

True enough. Maybe it's easier to sew by machine...It hurts just thinking about that though...

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24.7k · April 10, 2003

quote:
There is a difference between a 'natural' monkey at the zoo, and a cartoon stuffed monkey that's a (ahem) Long way from being anatomically 'correct'.

Yeah, the cartoon stuffed money doesn't fling crap at the zoo patrons just to watch them run away. Or any of a number of other things monkees do to amuse themselves. Hmmm... I sence a correlation between a zoo monkee and the owner of the travel bug. Clearly both were amusing themselves.

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4.8k · April 10, 2003

I didn't vote. I don't find it offensive, but it could be a little concerning for some unexpecting parents. I guess I hope that anyone who finds it unexpectedly can advert their children's attention if they don't want them to see it.

I will say that if I find one of these, I'll probably put some clothes on it!

2.3k · April 10, 2003

Or he could simply become "bobbitized" along the way? LOL

Joel (joefrog)

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1.4k · April 10, 2003

Yea, it's probably inappropriate for a "family game," but there's no way something like this CAN be banned, since there's no approval process for travel bugs. Even if TBTB deleted the record for this bug, it would still be floating around out there, going from cache to cache.

Sheesh! I just hope my 4-year-old and 6-year-old don't find it. I'm really not ready to have that particular conversation with them right now.

4.7k · April 10, 2003

i think the question is not "should it be allowed"? (it's not) but "how would it be recalled?" webling's point about its physical presence is right.

i do find it inappropriate, but my opinion isn't really important. TPTB have already come down strongly against sexual or alcohol-related material in caches.

outside of deleting the logs, though, i don't think there's much that can be done

it doesn't matter if you get to camp at one or at six. dinner is still at six.

April 10, 2003

Without passign a judgement on wether on not this is appropriate....

Children's dolls in European countries are all anatomically correct.

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9.4k · April 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Web-ling:
Sheesh! I just hope my 4-year-old and 6-year-old don't find it. I'm really not ready to have that particular conversation with them right now.

So I'm assuming your kids are both girls and have never seen you come out of the shower?

April 10, 2003

I predict these TBs won't be long for this world. Someone with a little more propriety will remove them from circulation.

George

1k · April 11, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by nincehelser:
I predict these TBs won't be long for this world. Someone with a little more propriety will remove them from circulation.

George

Maybe the Pigman will kidnap it?

Webfoot

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April 11, 2003

Keep in mind what the geocaching.com FAQ says:

quote:
What shouldn't be in a cache?
Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, ammo, knives, drugs, and alcohol shouldn't be placed in a cache. Respect the local laws. All ages of people hide and seek caches, so use some thought before placing an item into a cache.

2k · April 11, 2003

As the father of a five year old son who geocaches with me I wouldn't want to come across that in a cache.

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4.7k · April 11, 2003

and as for anatomically correct, there is no species on this planet that had genitalia that large in proportion to its total body size.

first, it's unnecessary. second, the amount of blood required to make the hydraulics function would be prohibitive.

it doesn't matter if you get to camp at one or at six. dinner is still at six.

April 11, 2003

I think it's funny as hell. If I were to find said TB, I'd probably log it, taking great care to avoid that protuberance. While geocaching is fun for kids, it is not specifically for kids. Children hear and see far worse in daily life than an 'enhanced' monkey.

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April 11, 2003

I find it offensive for myself as an audlt.

April 11, 2003

Based on some of the other rulings by moderators in the UK I would think this set of TBs although is inventive and amusing to most adults it is inappropriate content for children. It could probably be explained away by parents but that is not the point. The problem is if this is allowed then do the boundaries of acceptibilty move with it?

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April 11, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by flask:
and as for anatomically correct, there is no species on this planet that had genitalia that large in proportion to its total body size.

first, it's unnecessary. second, the amount of blood required to make the hydraulics function would be prohibitive.

it doesn't matter if you get to camp at one or at six. dinner is still at six.

Not as large......Please Explain "barbie"...

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2.3k · April 11, 2003

It could've been worse

He could have named the TB "Spank" instead of Rudolf...

Joel (joefrog)

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April 11, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by flask:
and as for anatomically correct, there is no species on this planet that had genitalia that large in proportion to its total body size.

From a purely scientific standpoint, the Bonobo chimp, or Pan paniscus, has the largest genetalia to total-body-size ratio for any mammal.

But yeah, this is definately anatomically incorrect. I wouldn't reccomend using something like this as a travel bug.

April 11, 2003

It goes beyond being a naked monkey.

If someone finds this with his or her children & they ask what it is, you can say it is the monkey’s penis.

However, kids don’t just have one question…

When they ask why would someone put a naked monkey in a cache? You could say for humor probably.

Then they might ask Why is showing his penis funny?

What would you say to that?

1k · April 11, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by HearingTurtle:
It goes beyond being a naked monkey.

If someone finds this with his or her children & they ask what it is, you can say it is the monkey’s penis.

However, kids don’t just have _one_ question…

When they ask why would someone put a naked monkey in a cache? You could say for humor probably.

Then they might ask Why is showing his penis funny?

What would you say to that?

I think your answer to the second question might be a little off. Why not say, "Monkeys in the wild don't wear clothes, so I guess neither does this one."

Might they also interpret it as it's tail, being the innocent children that most kids are? Questions become moot at that point.

Getting back to the original question, I have to agree with others, that it's not really appropriate for something like that to be in a cache, and if accepted by the bulk of cachers, then we have no one to blame but ourselves when someone else tries to push the envelope further.

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April 11, 2003

Much better answer to 2nd question. thanks

1.4k · April 11, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Team GPSaxophone:

quote:
Originally posted by Web-ling:
Sheesh! I just hope my 4-year-old and 6-year-old don't find it. I'm really not ready to have that particular conversation with them right now.

So I'm assuming your kids are both girls and have never seen you come out of the shower?

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The question wouldn't be, "What is it?" The questions would be more along the lines of, "Why does IT look like THAT?" and "Why doesn't MY stuffed monkey have one of THOSE?", and so forth.

Questions I'd rather wait until they're just a little older to get into...

April 11, 2003

"Junior, Mommy doesn't want you to swing the monkey by his 'giant tail' anymore , that's not nice!"

3k · April 11, 2003

First of all, the monkey offends me, and I've worked in bars half of my life, and I've seen rude things.

Secondly, encouraging heavy drinking is not a good idea, because I've worked in bars half of my life, and I've seen rude things.

Shock the monkey, not vice versa.

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April 11, 2003

I would be pissed if my kids found something like that. It would be instant MIA. Took nothing, left new monkey ash TB.

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April 12, 2003

Being a daddy cacher with kids, I also think it's pretty un-cool. And you'd be a fool to call me prudish. You don't even know me. However, to force me to engage my son in the inevitable genitalia conversation is a rather unfair thing to do. That is the beauty of being a parent, you still have certain freedoms to raise the kind of little boy or girl you choose, at least for a while.Until you run across people who leave this kind of crap in family oreinted, public places like geocaches.

I don't suppose the bug owner still has the option of doing the right thing, do they?

It's a game folks..........

April 12, 2003

Yep, inappropriate. Fortunately, these rude monkeys will soon go to the etherial TB black hole and never be seen again. Besides, I hate a show off monkey!

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9.4k · April 12, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by HearingTurtle:
Then they might ask Why is showing his penis funny?

What would you say to that?

It's funny because some people get so uptight around the subject of nudity.

April 12, 2003

These types of things should not be allowed in geocaches. I think that it will be shocking to some people and children should not be subjected to it.

April 12, 2003

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These types of things should not be allowed in gouaches. I think that it will be shocking to some people and children should not be subjected to it. Children just need to be children. I think that nudity is natural, but does not have a place in a geocache. I would not have had a problem something artfully done, but this is pornography. I do however question what I leave in caches. I make sure books are okay for kids even if they are adult books. I also had a set of cards and removed all of the ones that might be considered offensive even though I would consider them art.

April 12, 2003

quote:
It's funny because some people get so uptight around the subject of nudity.

You are kidding, right GPSaxophone? Just because you may cache in the company of other adults does not make this game exclusive to adults. And like I said, forcing me to ingage my child in a conversation about genetalia at a time I do not choose is wrong. And offensive. And presumptious. You have your set of morals, and decide how you would raise a child. I have mine. The idea that a person would encroach something I would deem unsuitable into my boys world could be very dangerous indeed......

/papa bear reflexes now turning off/

It's a game folks..........

1.4k · April 12, 2003

If someone comes across this monkey, they can put a diaper or a pair of shorts on it. Do not take out of circulation. Remember that you are not appointed the

quote:
geocaching police

. This momkey has already had a troubled start in his life (note circumcision).

AND, I just have to say it, If your monkey is bad... (hahahahahaha). Just jivin

8k · April 12, 2003

The geocaching FAQ says

quote:
Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, ammo, knives, drugs, and alcohol shouldn't be placed in a cache. Respect the local laws. All ages of people hide and seek caches, so use some thought before placing an item into a cache.

I would hope people would use their common sense and consider that families with young children go caching and this might be unappropriate for young children. However, if you wanted to not offend anybody there would be very little one could put in a cache. In my very first cache, I found a keychain that portrayed an unflattering ethnic stereotype. I traded for this item and mentioned in my log that I found it inappropriate. After reading in the forums about some of the things people find offensive in caches, I decided that I over reacted. I now accept that one of the risks of geocaching is finding things in caches that might be offensive. Just like channel surfing on TV, or surfing the internet. It is part of the world we live in for better or worse.

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April 12, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Team GPSaxophone:

quote:
Originally posted by HearingTurtle:
Then they might ask Why is showing his penis funny?

What would you say to that?

It's funny because some people get so uptight around the subject of nudity.

Uptight? Tell me then Why is showing his penis funny?

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April 13, 2003

hehehehehehe-Where can I find that? That is funny stuff, II can see how some would be offended but that is funny....

Found the cache but where is that damm GPS?

See You In the Woods!!!

Natureboy1376

April 16, 2003

Each of us has the power to censor. The fact that so many of us have responed to this, gives the person what they wanted, controversy. I can think of many items that are offensive. Should I come across a TB, or just a cache trinket, that crosses my defintion of offensive, I can just remove it from the cache. If it is a TB I would contact to owner and offer to mail it back to them. (At least the tag anyway) joesbar.

April 16, 2003

Personally I don't see anything wrong with nudity.If it wasn't taught to be wrong it wouldn't be so.

4.7k · April 16, 2003

whoops! i found this tag. i didn't notice any monkey. the log says "left monkey TB", but i only saw a tag...

or, alternately, if i could sew...

..or just be handy witht the scissors and superglue.

..honest. it was a matter of survival. i was out of firestarters.

..i thought it WAS a firestarter...

it doesn't matter if you get to camp at one or at six. dinner is still at six.

4.7k · April 16, 2003

and i'm not against nudity. there are just some private parts that ought to remain that way.

i AM against smarmy jokes based on genitalia. i am in favor of genitalia.

it doesn't matter if you get to camp at one or at six. dinner is still at six.

2.7k · April 16, 2003

Whereas I agree that this TB is ofensive to many, I think we should also notice that the TB is overseas.

People of different cultures have different mores, especially regarding nudity. You need only to subscribe to National Geographic to see the obvious differences in these cultures.

As people are fond of telling me:

Who are we to impose our views on others- especially people of other cultures?

So far it looks like there is only one poster (Lassitude) in this thread that has any likelihood of coming across this TB (soon at any rate).

I am quite sure it will go MIA immediately if it crosses into the United States- mores are different here and the great majority view nudity as 'naughty', whether real or stylized.

Why are we, with thousands of miles of ocean betwen us and it, so concerned about it?

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9.4k · April 16, 2003

My 2 year (boy) knows what a penis is and would point it out to me if he saw a travel bug with one. So what?

My girls know what one is, even though they don't have one themselves. They don't know how/why boys have them and finding a toy with one isn't going to change that.

Lighten up, people!

April 17, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by flask:
and as for anatomically correct, there is no species on this planet that had genitalia that large in proportion to its total body size.

first, it's unnecessary. second, the amount of blood required to make the hydraulics function would be prohibitive.

You haven't seen whales mating have you....

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April 17, 2003

quote:
and as for anatomically correct, there is no species on this planet that had genitalia that large in proportion to its total body size.

ok not to play devils avocate here, but i believe it is the snail that has this advantage, IT's private member is 3/4 the lentgh of its body....

Found the cache but where is that damm GPS?

See You In the Woods!!!

Natureboy1376

1.8k · April 17, 2003

Rudolf, it seems, has moved on, but no-one has logged him out. What a surprise!

Bill

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