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Hi All,

 

This is my first post in the Groundspeak forum, and I have the pleasure to announce that my first design will be soon in the air ...almost literally :sad:

 

His name is “The Winged Disc”. 2D, Track, Icon.

 

The idea is to represent the first three great civilizations: Sumer, Egypt, India. The winged disc is their common symbol, and gives its name to the geocoin.

 

I put here the final draft, the samples are in way! :anibad:

 

When I have them, I will put photos.

 

TheWingedDiscGeocoinDraft.jpg

 

I had fun with this design, I hope you like! :grin:

 

Greetings,

Manuel

 

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Hi All,

 

This is my first post in the Groundspeak forum, and I have the pleasure to announce that my first design will be soon in the air ...almost literally :ph34r:

 

His name is “The Winged Disc”. 2D, Track, Icon.

 

The idea is to represent the first three great civilizations: Sumer, Egypt, India. The winged disc is their common symbol, and gives its name to the geocoin.

 

I put here the final draft, the samples are in way! :anibad:

 

When I have them, I will put photos.

 

http://perso.orange.es/a972673984/imgs/The...eocoinDraft.jpg

(not find a way to put the image)

 

I had fun with this design, I hope you like! :grin:

 

Greetings,

Manuel

 

Artwork looks very nice. :sad:

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Where will the tracking numbers be engraved? On the rim?

 

I think will be on top the front side, on the outer rim.

 

Although sometimes the front and rear are names for identification only, not like the faces A and B of the old records, where the A side was almost always the best song, ...almost :anibad:

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Where will the tracking numbers be engraved? On the rim?

 

I think will be on top the front side, on the outer rim.

 

Although sometimes the front and rear are names for identification only, not like the faces A and B of the old records, where the A side was almost always the best song, ...almost :anibad:

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I really love the birds along the perimeter of the front side. Quite a diversity is featured - are you a birder/ornithologist?!

 

At any rate, I will be very interested in these coins if/when they are minted. Hopefully you are not considering a pre-sale, though? I don't participate in those since I was badly burned by the vendor-who-must-not-be-named. Reservations, though, I love. :)

 

Any other colors schemes? Blue is appropriate for the sky, but green is lovely, too.

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I really love the birds along the perimeter of the front side. Quite a diversity is featured - are you a birder/ornithologist?!

 

At any rate, I will be very interested in these coins if/when they are minted. Hopefully you are not considering a pre-sale, though? I don't participate in those since I was badly burned by the vendor-who-must-not-be-named. Reservations, though, I love. :)

 

Any other colors schemes? Blue is appropriate for the sky, but green is lovely, too.

 

I'm glad you liked it! :)

No, I am not a specialist in birds, but I like them.

 

I had no intention of making a pre-sale.

At beginning, I only will do three finishes, of very limited edition.

I can't spend much money, and I don't want to make money with this, just fun and make designs, and that the folks also enjoy.

 

Some may put them on ebay, low output prices or fixed price, I do not know yet.

But if the coin like it and there are enough interested, I'll be glad to order more.

 

Regards :)

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Very, very nice! I love coins that make use of ancient design work. I'm looking forward to seeing the samples. Great job!

 

Thanks :)

I'm looking forward to the samples, will put the pictures :)

I love ancient cultures for many years. I have lots of ideas to make more coins, ...if I find a way not to lose money :)

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Well..., I'm thinking about :) , and is a good idea to make a pre-sale. When the samples arrive, I'll put photos, and then will be possible to start the pre-sale :)

 

For now, I can put photos of artworks, but the color schemes are not final.

 

Oakcoins is making the coin and it will be their January Coin of the Month coin and they will make a matching pin to go along with it :)

 

The color scheme of the principle is to Oakcoins.

The ones I show below are the ones that I'll put in pre-sale.

 

myversion1satingold.jpg

 

Probably in Satin Gold

 

myversion2antiquesilver.jpg

 

Probably in Antique Silver

 

myversion3nickel.jpg

 

Probably in Nickel

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Here's the possible minting of this three versions:

 

RE Satin Gold (blue, green & red color scheme)

50 LE Antique Silver (purple, yellow)

30 AE Black Nickel (blue, white)

 

There will be no re-mints of the LE and AE.

 

Each one (RE, LE, AE) would be around $10, plus shipping costs.

When samples arrive I will put photos and pricing details, and will begin the pre-sale :laughing:

 

BTW, if you like, I supose that you can buy apart the version in Oakcoins.

 

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I learn something new in the world of geocoins. Reading the forum I learned the difference between making a reservation and make a pre-sale.

I understand now that a pre-sale can be risky for the buyer.

My idea was to make versions for me, give some and sell others.

The pre-sale has emerged as a possibility, that someone else may obtain them, if you like :rolleyes:

If you prefer a reservation, you must wait that coins are in my hands, but then I have to order less coins, ...I think.

 

Opinions are welcome!

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Re: Pre-sale vs. reservation

 

Pre-sales can insulting to some folks who don't want to finance your production but have to in order to buy your product. Paying for something that hasn't been made yet can be distasteful. Also waiting for weeks before getting what you paid for goes against the "I paid for it and I want it NOW" consumer.

 

Reservations don't really tell you how many would be interested in buying your product but at least you get an idea based on the regulars who visit the coin forums but some people may drop out when it's time to pay up.

 

There may be more arguments for and against either but these are my points of interest. :laughing:

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I agree with Droo's post, and will add a bit of my own 2 cents.

 

Pre-sales:

I never thought of these as insulting. I appreciated the cost of minting a coin, and was happy to be a part of the final product. Unfortunately, I was burned after shelling out a nice sum of my money to a pre-sale for a set of geocoins that was never completed. I received reassurances from the designer that the coins were having problems at the mint, and to please be patient. I was. In the end, I was not part of a successful coin project. I felt swindled, and as a result I will not participate in pre-sales again. Ever. I don't want to assume the risk for a coin-maker's dream, and pre-sales put the risk on the coin buyer.

 

Reservations:

I enjoy these. I've never left a vendor high and dry with coins that I've said I would pay for when they are available. I like that I am assured of the coin(s) I want, and I trust the coin maker to do everything possible to make the coins a reality. If the project doesn't materialize (i.e., no coins made), then I'm not hurt financially, just disappointed that I don't get a new coin. :laughing:

 

The bottom line for me:

If a coin maker feels strongly about his/her dream AND wants to be a good seller for other who want to buy the dream, then I think they need to assume all up-front costs/risks.

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Here's the possible minting of this three versions:

 

RE Satin Gold (blue, green & red color scheme)

50 LE Antique Silver (purple, yellow)

30 AE Black Nickel (blue, white)

 

There will be no re-mints of the LE and AE.

 

Each one (RE, LE, AE) would be around $10, plus shipping costs.

When samples arrive I will put photos and pricing details, and will begin the pre-sale :laughing:

 

BTW, if you like, I supose that you can buy apart the version in Oakcoins.

 

PostData:

I learn something new in the world of geocoins. Reading the forum I learned the difference between making a reservation and make a pre-sale.

I understand now that a pre-sale can be risky for the buyer.

My idea was to make versions for me, give some and sell others.

The pre-sale has emerged as a possibility, that someone else may obtain them, if you like :)

If you prefer a reservation, you must wait that coins are in my hands, but then I have to order less coins, ...I think.

 

Opinions are welcome!

 

I've had a coin minted in black nickel and found the details lost in the black. If I had added color next to the raised areas I would have been able to see the details but unfortunately I didn't know that and am stuck with my choice. I think you will lose much of the outer ring detail unless you put a color in it.

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Here's the possible minting of this three versions:

 

RE Satin Gold (blue, green & red color scheme)

50 LE Antique Silver (purple, yellow)

30 AE Black Nickel (blue, white)

 

There will be no re-mints of the LE and AE.

 

Each one (RE, LE, AE) would be around $10, plus shipping costs.

When samples arrive I will put photos and pricing details, and will begin the pre-sale :laughing:

 

BTW, if you like, I supose that you can buy apart the version in Oakcoins.

 

PostData:

I learn something new in the world of geocoins. Reading the forum I learned the difference between making a reservation and make a pre-sale.

I understand now that a pre-sale can be risky for the buyer.

My idea was to make versions for me, give some and sell others.

The pre-sale has emerged as a possibility, that someone else may obtain them, if you like :)

If you prefer a reservation, you must wait that coins are in my hands, but then I have to order less coins, ...I think.

 

Opinions are welcome!

 

I've had a coin minted in black nickel and found the details lost in the black. If I had added color next to the raised areas I would have been able to see the details but unfortunately I didn't know that and am stuck with my choice. I think you will lose much of the outer ring detail unless you put a color in it.

 

No, the birds and the figures look good because they are white, on the black nickel!

Symbols among the birds themselves to remain in the background, but that's the idea.

Thanks anyway :lol:

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I agree with Droo and Penny and Kona. As a new seller (myself included) you should be willing to finance the project yourself. If you sell out of your first mint run, then you always have the option of a 2nd mint. Better to mint to few than to many if you're not sure if you can sell them all. I'd only buy into a pre-sale from one of the established large vendors.

 

Can't wait to see how these coins turn out!

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I agree with Droo and Penny and Kona. As a new seller (myself included) you should be willing to finance the project yourself. If you sell out of your first mint run, then you always have the option of a 2nd mint. Better to mint to few than to many if you're not sure if you can sell them all. I'd only buy into a pre-sale from one of the established large vendors.

 

Can't wait to see how these coins turn out!

 

Thanks for your opinion. You can see that I have already answered positively to this question above. I agree with you all, ...by the moment B)

 

I have decided to make a reservation :)

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Finally , this will be the RE B)

 

Plating nickel or perhaps in shiny silver.

In black nickel I like, but this way can see better the symbols that are among the birds, and among the figures in the other side.

 

versionD.jpg

 

The LE in purple and yellow remains unchanged.

The AE in blue, green & red, ...I'm reviewing tones.

 

The Track Number will be in the edge.

The icon of this three versions will be the same as the version made exclusively for the club members of Oakcoins, their oak leaf :)

 

I think I'll be able to post pictures of the samples in early December :)

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Short History :unsure:

 

The Winged Disc Geocoin

 

This coin represent the first three great civilizations, who are the cradle of Humankind.

 

The star and the planets represent the Sumerian civilization.

This graphic comes from clay tablets thousands of years old.

I have not been in Mesopotamia to find them, ... although I would have liked to be there in real time, when they were writen.

 

The figures and hieroglyphs represent the Egyptian civilization.

I also would have liked to sail on the Nile and being in the Temple of Dendera thousand of years ago ... but who knows ... maybe I do not remember it :(

 

The petals represent the Hindu civilization.

...Lost in the immensity of the Indus Valley, when Mohenjo Daro and Harappa teemed with life and splendor!

 

The winged disc is a symbol that we find represented at different times of the three civilizations. Some are very complex, which I have set is greatly simplified. Hence the name of the geocoin.

 

The latest archaeological discoveries, linguistic, genetic, ...show that there was a close relationship between the great civilizations, from the beginning, and had a common origin, which represent the men eagle.

 

I would have filled the side A of the geocoin with many details, but it seemed good to leave it, so that the winged disc could stand out from the bottom, and in the background, above the record, men eagle, that brought civilization, ...where are they now? :o

 

On the B side, there are two symbols, among the egyptian figures, on opposite sides, which are East and West, the rising and setting sun ... another allusion at winged disk and what it represents.

 

I'm talking about side A and side B as if it were a music album :D

This is because sometimes one would prefer the B side to the A, although the idea is represented on both sides.

Other times it's hard to say which side you prefer.

 

Well, this is the short history of this geocoin.

 

As for the pin that goes with the coin, possibly will have the winged disk image, and above, the image of the sun and the planets. Also possibly, around the edge, the sacred lotus of the Nile, much used by the Egyptians in their paintings, sculpture and architecture. Its symbolic meaning is also widespread, although it basically represents, the rising sun and setting sun.

 

Regards

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I am intrigued by the six pointed star and the planets. Is the six pointed star the sun? If so, that is an unusual representation. Are the nine planets, mercury through Pluto? If so, I am surprised that you included Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto since they were unknown to those civilizations. Based on distances from the central star, the sizes may be a bit off. Then again, my interpretation of the star and planets may be incorrect.

 

In either case, that is a rather nice coin and I plan on buying several versions.

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I am intrigued by the six pointed star and the planets. Is the six pointed star the sun? If so, that is an unusual representation. Are the nine planets, mercury through Pluto? If so, I am surprised that you included Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto since they were unknown to those civilizations. Based on distances from the central star, the sizes may be a bit off. Then again, my interpretation of the star and planets may be incorrect.

 

In either case, that is a rather nice coin and I plan on buying several versions.

 

I just thought of another possibility. Maybe the star is the central fire, and the surrounding planets include earth, the anti-earth, the sun, and the moon. I always found that model of the universe captivating. The central fire and the anti-earth are too cool. The earth is in perpetual eclipse due to the anti-earth and the sun is just a reflection of the true light source.

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I am intrigued by the six pointed star and the planets. Is the six pointed star the sun? If so, that is an unusual representation. Are the nine planets, mercury through Pluto? If so, I am surprised that you included Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto since they were unknown to those civilizations. Based on distances from the central star, the sizes may be a bit off. Then again, my interpretation of the star and planets may be incorrect.

 

In either case, that is a rather nice coin and I plan on buying several versions.

 

I just thought of another possibility. Maybe the star is the central fire, and the surrounding planets include earth, the anti-earth, the sun, and the moon. I always found that model of the universe captivating. The central fire and the anti-earth are too cool. The earth is in perpetual eclipse due to the anti-earth and the sun is just a reflection of the true light source.

 

There are at least a third possible explanation for this sumerian graph.

 

The sumerians wrote on clay tablets that the solar system is composed of ten planets. The 9 officially known until now, and another which is a huge elliptical orbit, highly inclined relative to the plane in which the other planets revolve around the sun.

 

This is called Planet X, or tenth planet, on which there is much debate and controversy, in official and unofficial.

 

In this draw that I have put, which comes from a Sumerian representation about 6000 years ago, the tenth planet is very small and does not look good. In the drawings that I have put of the other possible versions, is a point up on the right. I hope that in the samples look better.

 

Over time, the official science advances in knowledge, and discover things that the early civilizations knew, things that were lost in time ... and at libraries destroyed, as in Alexandria.

 

Thanks for your interest.

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I am intrigued by the six pointed star and the planets. Is the six pointed star the sun? If so, that is an unusual representation. Are the nine planets, mercury through Pluto? If so, I am surprised that you included Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto since they were unknown to those civilizations. Based on distances from the central star, the sizes may be a bit off. Then again, my interpretation of the star and planets may be incorrect.

 

In either case, that is a rather nice coin and I plan on buying several versions.

 

I just thought of another possibility. Maybe the star is the central fire, and the surrounding planets include earth, the anti-earth, the sun, and the moon. I always found that model of the universe captivating. The central fire and the anti-earth are too cool. The earth is in perpetual eclipse due to the anti-earth and the sun is just a reflection of the true light source.

 

There are at least a third possible explanation for this sumerian graph.

 

The sumerians wrote on clay tablets that the solar system is composed of ten planets. The 9 officially known until now, and another which is a huge elliptical orbit, highly inclined relative to the plane in which the other planets revolve around the sun.

 

This is called Planet X, or tenth planet, on which there is much debate and controversy, in official and unofficial.

 

In this draw that I have put, which comes from a Sumerian representation about 6000 years ago, the tenth planet is very small and does not look good. In the drawings that I have put of the other possible versions, is a point up on the right. I hope that in the samples look better.

 

Over time, the official science advances in knowledge, and discover things that the early civilizations knew, things that were lost in time ... and at libraries destroyed, as in Alexandria.

 

Thanks for your interest.

 

I was looking at the diagram closely and did notice the tenth point, but it was so small that I thought it was probably some sort of stray pixel, so I assumed it wasn't really there.

 

The ten planets of the ancients. That may be closely related to the second choice that I offered. The ten planets, which include the anti-earth were popularized by Pythagoras, but I would not be surprised to learn that the idea is even older. Of course, Pythagoras' count included the moon and the sun orbiting around an unseen source of warmth and light and the sun was really a mirror reflecting the central fire's light.

 

As to the tenth planet, you might want to look up "Eris" in Wikipedia. This small planet orbits our sun and is slightly larger than Pluto. In fact, it even has a moon named Dysnomia. When the dwarf planet was first discovered, it was called "Xena". The discoverer chose this name because it began with an X and he felt that this planet was the long sought for planet x. However, the name Xena was rejected by the International Astronomical Union. There are actually a large number of dwarf planets in our solar system that are similar in size to Pluto. You may also wish to look up "Kuiper Belt".

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I am intrigued by the six pointed star and the planets. Is the six pointed star the sun? If so, that is an unusual representation. Are the nine planets, mercury through Pluto? If so, I am surprised that you included Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto since they were unknown to those civilizations. Based on distances from the central star, the sizes may be a bit off. Then again, my interpretation of the star and planets may be incorrect.

 

In either case, that is a rather nice coin and I plan on buying several versions.

 

I just thought of another possibility. Maybe the star is the central fire, and the surrounding planets include earth, the anti-earth, the sun, and the moon. I always found that model of the universe captivating. The central fire and the anti-earth are too cool. The earth is in perpetual eclipse due to the anti-earth and the sun is just a reflection of the true light source.

 

There are at least a third possible explanation for this sumerian graph.

 

The sumerians wrote on clay tablets that the solar system is composed of ten planets. The 9 officially known until now, and another which is a huge elliptical orbit, highly inclined relative to the plane in which the other planets revolve around the sun.

 

This is called Planet X, or tenth planet, on which there is much debate and controversy, in official and unofficial.

 

In this draw that I have put, which comes from a Sumerian representation about 6000 years ago, the tenth planet is very small and does not look good. In the drawings that I have put of the other possible versions, is a point up on the right. I hope that in the samples look better.

 

Over time, the official science advances in knowledge, and discover things that the early civilizations knew, things that were lost in time ... and at libraries destroyed, as in Alexandria.

 

Thanks for your interest.

 

I was looking at the diagram closely and did notice the tenth point, but it was so small that I thought it was probably some sort of stray pixel, so I assumed it wasn't really there.

 

The ten planets of the ancients. That may be closely related to the second choice that I offered. The ten planets, which include the anti-earth were popularized by Pythagoras, but I would not be surprised to learn that the idea is even older. Of course, Pythagoras' count included the moon and the sun orbiting around an unseen source of warmth and light and the sun was really a mirror reflecting the central fire's light.

 

As to the tenth planet, you might want to look up "Eris" in Wikipedia. This small planet orbits our sun and is slightly larger than Pluto. In fact, it even has a moon named Dysnomia. When the dwarf planet was first discovered, it was called "Xena". The discoverer chose this name because it began with an X and he felt that this planet was the long sought for planet x. However, the name Xena was rejected by the International Astronomical Union. There are actually a large number of dwarf planets in our solar system that are similar in size to Pluto. You may also wish to look up "Kuiper Belt".

 

Greek sages, learned from the wise Egyptian and Mesopotamian.

Much of the information that came to them then it was lost in part.

Over time and with the loss of their origins, these skills were seen as symbols and mythologies, ... until today :angry:

 

I know the work of Pythagoras, and others. I read about Xena, the Kuiper Belt, and other related topics.

I think the tenth planet is another, and that is out there ... :P

 

NB: Perhaps this issue here is off-topic :mad:

 

Regards

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I accept reservations.

Reservations end on December 17, 2010 at 22:00 GMT

 

This is the minting:

20 RE Shiny gold (blue/white color scheme). This is the edition for Oakcoins Club.

20 SE Antique Gold (black/ blue/white)

20 SE Matte gold (blue/white)

10 XLE Antique Silver (purple/salmon/yellow) – NOT for RESERVATION (by the moment)

25 AE Antique Copper (blue/brown/red)

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Total 95 coins

 

10 coins available of each version (Except the XLE).

Total available: 40 coins. The rest are for me, to give, trade or sell.

Limit per person: 1 coin of each version (Except the XLE).

 

$9,00 each coin.

Shipping cost apart (according to weight, by normal international post, mín $5,00)

 

You can contact me at manu_luq@hotmail.com to place your reservation.

 

When the coins arrive from the mint, an invoice through PayPal will be sent to all those who have made a reservation.

 

Please include the following information when placing a reservation:

 

Name

Geonick

Version to reserve

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This friday ends the reservation and there remain some coins. Therefore, I remove the limitation of one coin of each version per person, if anyone want more than one :anicute:

 

This night, or tomorrow morning, I will put also the image of the XLE version (reviewing front side colors), of which there are only 5 for reservation.

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