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Please explain the new "Souvenirs" feature

BlueGerbil

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boatchick

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Hi, I'm James, a Groundspeak Lackey. I'd like to answer a couple of the common questions that have come up in this thread.

 

1) We will be granting souvenirs retroactively.

2) We will also be providing "opt-out" functionality for those users who don't want to receive souvenirs.

 

I'm happy to answer any other questions or address other comments that you all have.

 

Thanks!

 

Has the "opt-out" functionality been implemented yet?

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Chokecherry

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I'm not super interested in this development and would consider opting out. But then I looked at how slowly they are retroactively rolling in the things and realized it's irrelevant anyways because it will be months before it catches up to where I've been.

 

But this is just something that some people aren't interested in it. It reminds me of phone apps I've tried and didn't care about or various other websites that have little rewards. I don't need the extra rewards in my geocaching experience. I'm happy with it as it is now.

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Avernar

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Why would anyone want to opt-out?

As a protest for the souvenirs taking development time away from their pet feature request.

 

I can't think of any other reason. I don't by the "I'm not interested in souvenirs so I'll just opt out" excuse as they could simply ignore them.

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knowschad

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There are plenty of people who wish they could even opt out of having their find counts displayed. The souvenirs are really just another type of find count to them, I suspect. To me, its just foolishness. I will neither opt out, nor pay much attention to them. I am, however, one that thinks the development time could have been spent much more productively.

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sbell111

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Why would anyone want to opt-out?

As a protest for the souvenirs taking development time away from their pet feature request.

 

I can't think of any other reason. I don't by the "I'm not interested in souvenirs so I'll just opt out" excuse as they could simply ignore them.

Isn't it ironic that those that are jealous of development time being used for something other than their preferred projects are demanding that more development time be used on the project that they resent so much?

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Castle Mischief

+Castle Mischief

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Why would anyone want to opt-out?

As a protest for the souvenirs taking development time away from their pet feature request.

 

I can't think of any other reason. I don't by the "I'm not interested in souvenirs so I'll just opt out" excuse as they could simply ignore them.

Isn't it ironic that those that are jealous of development time being used for something other than their preferred projects are demanding that more development time be used on the project that they resent so much?

 

I hope this doesn't become the trend. It would get pretty tedious if with every new feature there's the tide of "opt outs" that follows. What's next, opt outs for the Trackable tab? Opt outs for individual cache types in your total count?

 

Frankly, I'd rather Groundspeak just not waste the bandwidth with the opt out. I'd rather see them just say, "you know what, don't click the tab. There's your opt out."

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Avernar

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Isn't it ironic that those that are jealous of development time being used for something other than their preferred projects are demanding that more development time be used on the project that they resent so much?

:)

 

Also, they don't care about the souvenirs they have but do care what others think about the souvenirs they have.

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knowschad

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Isn't it ironic that those that are jealous of development time being used for something other than their preferred projects are demanding that more development time be used on the project that they resent so much?

:)

 

Also, they don't care about the souvenirs they have but do care what others think about the souvenirs they have.

Who is "they"?
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addisonbr

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I hope this doesn't become the trend. It would get pretty tedious if with every new feature there's the tide of "opt outs" that follows. What's next, opt outs for the Trackable tab? Opt outs for individual cache types in your total count?

I'm guessing it could be handled reasonably efficiently by adopting a privacy tool much like other social networking sites.

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Castle Mischief

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Isn't it ironic that those that are jealous of development time being used for something other than their preferred projects are demanding that more development time be used on the project that they resent so much?

:)

 

Also, they don't care about the souvenirs they have but do care what others think about the souvenirs they have.

Who is "they"?

 

Them.

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Castle Mischief

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I hope this doesn't become the trend. It would get pretty tedious if with every new feature there's the tide of "opt outs" that follows. What's next, opt outs for the Trackable tab? Opt outs for individual cache types in your total count?

I'm guessing it could be handled reasonably efficiently by adopting a privacy tool much like other social networking sites.

 

I understand what you're suggesting, but I don't see a tab on your profile that gives anybody information that you're already broadcasting to the masses via your Found It logs as a privacy issue.

 

The very core nature of this website it this: this is where I was on this date doing this thing. If you don't want that information available, don't post logs on the cache pages.

 

EDIT: It would be like setting your Facebook and Twitter profile to not show your location, then tweeting every few minutes with "on the corner of 1st and 2nd, wearing a green shirt" or "Walking out of my empty house on 65th street".

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knowschad

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Isn't it ironic that those that are jealous of development time being used for something other than their preferred projects are demanding that more development time be used on the project that they resent so much?

:D

 

Also, they don't care about the souvenirs they have but do care what others think about the souvenirs they have.

Who is "they"?

 

Them.

OK, who are "them" :)
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Castle Mischief

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Isn't it ironic that those that are jealous of development time being used for something other than their preferred projects are demanding that more development time be used on the project that they resent so much?

:D

 

Also, they don't care about the souvenirs they have but do care what others think about the souvenirs they have.

Who is "they"?

 

Them.

OK, who are "them" :)

 

You know, those people.

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knowschad

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Isn't it ironic that those that are jealous of development time being used for something other than their preferred projects are demanding that more development time be used on the project that they resent so much?

:D

 

Also, they don't care about the souvenirs they have but do care what others think about the souvenirs they have.

Who is "they"?

 

Them.

OK, who are "them" :)

 

You know, those people.

OK, just as long as you're not referring to me. :D
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bflentje

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I hope this doesn't become the trend. It would get pretty tedious if with every new feature there's the tide of "opt outs" that follows. What's next, opt outs for the Trackable tab? Opt outs for individual cache types in your total count?

I'm guessing it could be handled reasonably efficiently by adopting a privacy tool much like other social networking sites.

 

I understand what you're suggesting, but I don't see a tab on your profile that gives anybody information that you're already broadcasting to the masses via your Found It logs as a privacy issue.

 

The very core nature of this website it this: this is where I was on this date doing this thing. If you don't want that information available, don't post logs on the cache pages.

 

EDIT: It would be like setting your Facebook and Twitter profile to not show your location, then tweeting every few minutes with "on the corner of 1st and 2nd, wearing a green shirt" or "Walking out of my empty house on 65th street".

 

OMG, that's two post from you in the same thread that I actually agree with. Thank you. I knew we could all get along. :)

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tozainamboku

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Isn't it ironic that those that are jealous of development time being used for something other than their preferred projects are demanding that more development time be used on the project that they resent so much?

:)

 

Also, they don't care about the souvenirs they have but do care what others think about the souvenirs they have.

Properly stated it's that some people may see a privacy issue with souvenirs. Since most of the souvenirs are given for caching in a particular region, they provide an easy way for someone to see where you have been. Certainly one could look at the list of all the caches I've found and tell where I have been, but this is more effort than anyone would likely go through. Prior to the souvenir I doubt anyone except maybe one or two cache owners knew that I had cached in Pennsylvania. Now anyone looking at my profile can see this. As souvenirs become more specific this could make it easier for information that I'd prefer not to be widely known to be found. Imagine a souvenir for finding a geocache in the parking lot of an adult store :D

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NYPaddleCacher

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Isn't it ironic that those that are jealous of development time being used for something other than their preferred projects are demanding that more development time be used on the project that they resent so much?

:)

 

Also, they don't care about the souvenirs they have but do care what others think about the souvenirs they have.

Properly stated it's that some people may see a privacy issue with souvenirs. Since most of the souvenirs are given for caching in a particular region, they provide an easy way for someone to see where you have been. Certainly one could look at the list of all the caches I've found and tell where I have been, but this is more effort than anyone would likely go through. Prior to the souvenir I doubt anyone except maybe one or two cache owners knew that I had cached in Pennsylvania. Now anyone looking at my profile can see this. As souvenirs become more specific this could make it easier for information that I'd prefer not to be widely known to be found.

 

 

I'm not sure why you'd care if anyone knew you went geocaching in Pennsylvania. New Jersey, I can understand, but Pennsylvania?

 

Imagine a souvenir for finding a geocache in the parking lot of an adult store :D

 

I don't care if I get that one but I would probably take a look at the "artwork".

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Castle Mischief

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Properly stated it's that some people may see a privacy issue with souvenirs.

 

Oh boy.

 

Since most of the souvenirs are given for caching in a particular region, they provide an easy way for someone to see where you have been. Certainly one could look at the list of all the caches I've found and tell where I have been, but this is more effort than anyone would likely go through.

 

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? Dude, if you're worried about somebody cyberstalking you, I'd think you'd be more concerned about something a little more specific than "I've been to Texas".

 

Prior to the souvenir I doubt anyone except maybe one or two cache owners knew that I had cached in Pennsylvania.

 

OMG THE CAT'S OUT OF THE BAG!!! STOP THE PRESSES AND ALERT THE BLOGISPHERE.

 

Now anyone looking at my profile can see this.

 

No, they could see it before. They can see the coordinates of a great many of the exact places you've been on the planet.

 

WHO CARES?

 

As souvenirs become more specific this could make it easier for information that I'd prefer not to be widely known to be found.

 

No, no, no, no. It's already on your profile right now.

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sbell111

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Isn't it ironic that those that are jealous of development time being used for something other than their preferred projects are demanding that more development time be used on the project that they resent so much?

:)

 

Also, they don't care about the souvenirs they have but do care what others think about the souvenirs they have.

Who is "they"?

As you can tell from my post, I was referring to those posters who believe that developing souvis was a waste of programming resources and are requesting more of these resources to be used to allow them to opt out.

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knowschad

knowschad

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Isn't it ironic that those that are jealous of development time being used for something other than their preferred projects are demanding that more development time be used on the project that they resent so much?

:)

 

Also, they don't care about the souvenirs they have but do care what others think about the souvenirs they have.

Who is "they"?

As you can tell from my post, I was referring to those posters who believe that developing souvis was a waste of programming resources and are requesting more of these resources to be used to allow them to opt out.

:D Oh, really? :D

 

Of course, I knew that. What my small sarcasm was about was in your lumping everyone that thinks that developing them was a waste of time with everyone that wants to be able to opt out. I think they were a horrendous waste of time, but I don't feel the need to opt out.

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Avernar

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What my small sarcasm was about was in your lumping everyone that thinks that developing them was a waste of time with everyone that wants to be able to opt out. I think they were a horrendous waste of time, but I don't feel the need to opt out.

That was my fault. I wasn't clear that the two groups were not identical. How much the groups overlap is up for debate.

 

I do lump all of "them" into another group however, the whiners. :)

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Avernar

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I feel they were a huge waste of time and wouldn't mind opting out but it's not due to them being a waste of time but because of my own lack of interest in them in general. There's other applications and websites I can do that with. Don't have any desire to there or here.

So why not just ignore them then? I don't understand the need to opt out when simply ignoring them works just as well.

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addisonbr

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I understand what you're suggesting, but I don't see a tab on your profile that gives anybody information that you're already broadcasting to the masses via your Found It logs as a privacy issue.

 

The very core nature of this website it this: this is where I was on this date doing this thing. If you don't want that information available, don't post logs on the cache pages.

 

EDIT: It would be like setting your Facebook and Twitter profile to not show your location, then tweeting every few minutes with "on the corner of 1st and 2nd, wearing a green shirt" or "Walking out of my empty house on 65th street".

It mostly comes down to the ease of assembling the data. If I had a way to shield my individual page from random folks, it would be a lot harder for people I don't know to assemble all of my information.

 

Certainly, they could theoretically find (say) every photo I've ever posted by going to every cache I've ever logged and looking through the galleries. But it would be hard for them to find every cache I'd ever visited if they couldn't go through the tabs on my profile without permission.

 

Impossible? No, not impossible. But pretty hard, and time-consuming.

 

I understand the "if you don't want the information out there, don't post it." But I think there is room for another solution like posting the information, but only making it easy to assemble by people I know and trust.

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knowschad

knowschad

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What my small sarcasm was about was in your lumping everyone that thinks that developing them was a waste of time with everyone that wants to be able to opt out. I think they were a horrendous waste of time, but I don't feel the need to opt out.

That was my fault. I wasn't clear that the two groups were not identical. How much the groups overlap is up for debate.

 

I do lump all of "them" into another group however, the whiners. :)

Hey, if we didn't have whiners, the U.S. might still be a British colony! Whiners have their place.
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Castle Mischief

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It mostly comes down to the ease of assembling the data. If I had a way to shield my individual page from random folks, it would be a lot harder for people I don't know to assemble all of my information.

 

Certainly, they could theoretically find (say) every photo I've ever posted by going to every cache I've ever logged and looking through the galleries. But it would be hard for them to find every cache I'd ever visited if they couldn't go through the tabs on my profile without permission.

 

Impossible? No, not impossible. But pretty hard, and time-consuming.

 

I understand the "if you don't want the information out there, don't post it." But I think there is room for another solution like posting the information, but only making it easy to assemble by people I know and trust.

 

Describe to me a scenario where somebody could take the information that is currently available on a profile and use it in a devious and harmful fashion. Sell me on the idea, cause I just not feeling it. Specifically sell me how revealing that a person cached in a state can used against them.

 

It's patently ridiculous and absurd.

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NYPaddleCacher

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The souvenirs for Berlin, Georgia, and Connecticut have been released and retroactively granted!

 

Yay! :)

 

Love the Georgia artwork!

 

I got the CT souvenir but I didn't start geocaching until a few months after I spent a week on Tybee Island in Georgia and I've never been to Berlin. I'm looking forward when the Germany state where Frankfurt is located is release for my first international Souvenir.

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hukilaulau

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I have always been in favor of allowing people to "opt out" of having their find count displayed on one condition: they are not allowed to draw attention to the fact that they have "opted out" in any of the forums.

I suspect that this would take the fun out of it for many. :D Same goes for souvenirs. If you opt out, you can't come to the forums to make sure everyone knows you have opted out.

:)

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Crow-T-Robot

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Properly stated it's that some people may see a privacy issue with souvenirs. Since most of the souvenirs are given for caching in a particular region, they provide an easy way for someone to see where you have been. Certainly one could look at the list of all the caches I've found and tell where I have been, but this is more effort than anyone would likely go through. Prior to the souvenir I doubt anyone except maybe one or two cache owners knew that I had cached in Pennsylvania. Now anyone looking at my profile can see this. As souvenirs become more specific this could make it easier for information that I'd prefer not to be widely known to be found. Imagine a souvenir for finding a geocache in the parking lot of an adult store :)

 

Just when I thought the world couldn't get any more paranoid...I'd be more worried if someone knew where I was going to cache next rather than where I've already been.

 

The souvenirs for Berlin, Georgia, and Connecticut have been released and retroactively granted!

 

Is there a timetable for when state souvenirs are going to be produced? I'm actually digging these souvenirs more than I thought I would.

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sbell111

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Isn't it ironic that those that are jealous of development time being used for something other than their preferred projects are demanding that more development time be used on the project that they resent so much?

:)

 

Also, they don't care about the souvenirs they have but do care what others think about the souvenirs they have.

Who is "they"?

As you can tell from my post, I was referring to those posters who believe that developing souvis was a waste of programming resources and are requesting more of these resources to be used to allow them to opt out.

:D Oh, really? :D

 

Of course, I knew that. What my small sarcasm was about was in your lumping everyone that thinks that developing them was a waste of time with everyone that wants to be able to opt out. I think they were a horrendous waste of time, but I don't feel the need to opt out.

I didn't lump everyone together. I only spoke to 'they' who are in both camps.

 

Frankly, I have trouble understanding why anyone would care about opting out of something so innocuous.

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Avernar

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Frankly, I have trouble understanding why anyone would care about opting out of something so innocuous.

Same here.

 

On XBoxLive you can see what other games other people have played, their overall gamer score and all their achievements. I've yet to hear about anyone complaining about this and there are a lot more people there than here.

 

I can't understand why people are so paranoid here.

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